So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

[Tagxy]

Triple R get outta here now youre being dumb.

I dont think Primes going to come in here so Ill mention a few things since I tested it with him. This does have a grain of salt both ways because the testing was rough and from what I can remember. This is just so everyone has a general idea.

*You can still bthrow - dthrow, Id say around 60-80% is when youre safe from never achieving breakout. You HAVE to be quick though.

*Kills come a bit later. It was hard to tell how much later though.

*Dash grabs felt useless. If I landed a dash grab he could break out till about 80%

*Pivot Grabs and standing grabs are ok to start w/e kind of cg with.

*Sopo dthrow cg into regular cgs dont work if youre doing dash grabs. Im not able to do the walking grab very well, but I assume that would be ok.

*Prime says this is considerably easier then mashing.

Some conclusions:
*At the very least this will seperate the IC boys from the IC men, lol. Itll make it so everyone can mash at least as fast as the best mashers, and your cgs can no longer be even moderately slow or imprecise.
*At worst all (non sopo) cgs will need to begin at higher percents, kills must come at higher percents, sopo cgs wont be able to transition to regular cgs, and dash grabs become useless.

 

[Hylian]

Yes, the thread was dumb, but that doesn't give you the right to insult people.

I didn't insult him in any way and you just came into the thread to cause trouble so I'd like it if you'd stop.

 

[Rubberbandman]

It may be the alcohol but right now I'm liking Hylian's posts. :D

 

[FrozenHobo]

It may be the alcohol but right now I'm liking Hylian's posts. :D

i don't know, but it definitely helps

 

[Prawn]

dat mashin wont do ****

i cg so fast

dont matter

 

[Sieguest]

Serious stuff happening in this thread. o.o That new grab breaking method is pretty interesting.

That dthrow.... more to come later....

 

[ch33s3]

None of this worries me. People have reaction time just like we do. They have to move their hands significantly to get into position for this, and it takes them completely out of position to DI, so early f-smash now kills. I sure hope MKs try this on me so I can stop CGing at 80. :-D

Oh and I've had d-pad set to throw for this since '08. Lawl.

 

[DeLux]

fyi You can't set your dpad to THROW

 

[Roller]

"Operation Lux has Guest on Blast" lol

 

[ch33s3]

fyi You can't set your dpad to THROW

Grab. Whatever. I call grabs throws in every fighting game ever.

 

[someonerandom]

Can I ask a question? How come this board seems a lot less active than others? And can I please ask that nobody does to me like what happened to that aerial Fsmash guy? O.o

 

[Teh Future]

not many people play ics because they are hard to learn

 

[BadKarma]

I got bored and made this on photoshop, what do you guys think?

 

[Smoom77]

...............

 

[Roller]

smh.

10chars

 

[kackamee]

Merry Christmas to my fellow Climbers of Ice.

 

[TheSaintKai]

Guys, we need to vote Brawl back into the circuit.
http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/207452-throwback-events/

Didn't know where else to put this, so sorry Hylian if it should've gone somewhere else. -.-

 

[Hylian]

It's fine here.

 

[B0NK]

vote d

 

[Smoom77]

Guys I'm gonna meet 2-DJeff New Years Eve at Magic Kingdom! :D

 

[Exceladon City]

Guys I'm gonna meet 2-DJeff New Years Eve at Magic Kingdom! :D

Tell us if he talks the way he types.

 

[Smoom77]

I'll let ya know! I doubt it lol

 

[Hylian]

Some friendlies to watch if you're bored:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVTJX0U7y_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ypMVE47r4

Nothing impressive lol.

 

[DeLux]

Jesus, use Belay less lol

And you'd actually get more CG's in spacingwise on dthrow fthrow if you buffered it and walked instead of using a dash as a spacing mechanism, I'm relatively certain. It would remove the chance of tripping too.

You really ought to considering in some mixups that aren't dash dance desyncing out of a Dash Shield Cancel. It's more deceptive to run a turn around desync and shield drop with popo imo, or at least it'll give your oppnenent another look rather than the "Oh, he's dash dancing, time to jump".

And learn (my) "landing lag" desync

 

[Hylian]

Jesus, use Belay less lol

And you'd actually get more CG's in spacingwise on dthrow fthrow if you buffered it and walked instead of using a dash as a spacing mechanism, I'm relatively certain. It would remove the chance of tripping too.

You really ought to considering in some mixups that aren't dash dance desyncing out of a Dash Shield Cancel. It's more deceptive to run a turn around desync and shield drop with popo imo, or at least it'll give your oppnenent another look rather than the "Oh, he's dash dancing, time to jump".

And learn (my) "landing lag" desync

Friendlies = me playing silly because it's fun.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Belay is really good against D3 Lux. Also Hylian, use more utilt.

 

[DeLux]

I disagree and I think the move is still highly situational, even against fatty characters. It should be a mixup when they're already at kill percents and not ever come to the point of, "Well, here comes another belay, time to air dodge." As a kill move, it's a risk/reward situation where you're essentially getting the kill or getting an easy separation for your opponent. If you use at kill percents, then even if you lose Nana, you still have viable kill options where you don't need nana for things like cg to death.

I didn't say don't use it at all. I just said use it less.

 

[Sieguest]

But these are friendlies.
People get to live a little in friendlies. :D

 

[Rubberbandman]

Well, belay beats all of D3's aerial options and is a good punish for his Up-B. You can even catch him if he tries to swallowcide on the way back bro. Thats why I say that. Also it has a long lasting hitbox. Mix it in with empty hop Utilt and Up air strings imo.

 

[Hylian]

But these are friendlies.
People get to live a little in friendlies. :D

Exactlyyy lol I didn't ask people to critique because they are friendlies that I'm having fun in. I play wayyy differently in tournament. The sopo rapage was pretty fun though . Also the second match where I catch up a stock and a half with uairs in 5 seconds is funny.

 

[Tmacc]

Lol, belay is really good against D3. ICs should use it more against him.

And we were just having fun. Seriously, do you think I would EVER start a match with a dash attack against ICs? Haha, also, Sopo is scary for D3 and he's hard as hell to CG for us. If I'm at low percents, I play REALLy definsively against him because I don't want to mess up and take 5759483 damage.

Still think they were good matches, we both have some pretty **** moments (****in Sopo...and uair lol).

 

[DeLux]

Well, belay beats all of D3's aerial options and is a good punish for his Up-B.

It beats every aerial options given that it's the most disjointed move in the game. Period.

But given that the start up hitbox for belay is 15 frames which is longer than 13 frames, it means they can dodge on reaction. That doesn't even factor in the frames it takes for longer spacing. I'd do it out of a hard read only personally.

I'll keep in the mind the rest of your stuff.

Lol, belay is really good against D3. ICs should use it more against him.

And we were just having fun. Seriously, do you think I would EVER start a match with a dash attack against ICs?

I understand it's a friendly and you guys were playing differently than normal. I just don't want some random seeing that video and being like "Hylian uses Belay ALOT, so I will too." When in reality, it's rarely worth the risk imo.

Just by watching the video, it clearly shows belay did more harm than good just based on trades.

 

[Hylian]

It beats every aerial options given that it's the most disjointed move in the game. Period.

But given that the start up hitbox for belay is 15 frames which is longer than 13 frames, it means they can dodge on reaction. That doesn't even factor in the frames it takes for longer spacing. I'd do it out of a hard read only personally.

I'll keep in the mind the rest of your stuff.

Usually I just use it after I bait a dair or when he up-B's. Both situations he can't avoid it.

 

[DeLux]

Usually I just use it after I bait a dair or when he up-B's. Both situations he can't avoid it.

I agree. When you up+b'd his up+b, I up+b'd myself a little.





I just made ANOTHER huge discovery

Made us a little more broken. I win.

 

[Piggyman86]

lux, can we like, talk on aim

i wanna know this stuff no one ever tells me

its prawn btw

aim is "sictransitpaul"

 

[DeLux]

I don't have AIM. I have skype though. LegendaryLux is the name.


Edit: My bad prawn, I was busy playing when you IM'd. let's talk later.

 

[Exceladon City]

I think I just stumbled across something. I was goofing off against a CPU ROB, just practicing my CGs and stuff and I got the idea to footstool out of Uthrow and it worked. I don't know if anyone has thought of it, but it seems legit.

 

[Smoom77]

It's been looked at. I don't know a lot about it, but apparently it's only guaranteed on Marth. I do it on everyone though, to be flashy in friendlies.

 

[Exceladon City]

It's been looked at. I don't know a lot about it, but apparently it's only guaranteed on Marth. I do it on everyone though, to be flashy in friendlies.

Ah. So much for being a cool guy.

 

[Rubberbandman]

I think I just stumbled across something. I was goofing off against a CPU ROB, just practicing my CGs and stuff and I got the idea to footstool out of Uthrow and it worked. I don't know if anyone has thought of it, but it seems legit.

Yup, its possible, Its just not used much because...why use it? Fair Hobbling is alot cooler to do on Rob imo, just more precise.