Snake Q&A

[kodiak Vandal]

hey all, sorry to bring this up on an unrelated thread but I'm trying to get some feedback on my Snake play, if any of you guys could check the vids out and give me some good critique, i'd appreciate it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=219635

 

[Black_Heretic]

you already have a thread made, no need to bug the Q&A

 

[misterpimp5757]

theeres so many rate my snake threads now. we might as well make a whole new thread about it.

 

[Dark Ryu]

Question, Is it possible to smash DI the first hit of snakes ftilt to escape the second one, or is a true combo?

 

[magikguy]

i'm pretty sure you can't escape it.

 

[Ken Neth]

Question, Is it possible to smash DI the first hit of snakes ftilt to escape the second one, or is a true combo?

No, you can't smash DI out of it.

 

[misterpimp5757]

question. you guys know the mario utilt>utilt>utilt etc. thing?(works with toon link too)

and it works best on heavy characters but mainly it works on all characters until a certain percent like CG's i guess.

but anyways how would you get out of it before you get to like 50%?

i was thinking cypher up....can you DI up?

please test this and tell me.

 

[Ken Neth]

Smash DI works miracles

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

RAC'd Bair. Is it useful? The Sex Kick has decent knockback, but is the lag too much for it to be considerable?

 

[TheUmbreonMonarchy]

but anyways how would you get out of it before you get to like 50%?

Remember, take this knowledge with you;

<3 your DI.

 

[Ken Neth]

RAC'd Bair. Is it useful? The Sex Kick has decent knockback, but is the lag too much for it to be considerable?

It could be useful. It doesn't have lag if you full hop it, so I only use it when they are airborne. It's a good mix up because most people will never expect a RARing snake.

 

[misterpimp5757]

what is a good counterpick stage for mario?

 

[yellowroy]

Fd maybe?

Mario sucks anyway.

Neutrals work good on everyone.

You could go Brinstar or Norfair too, just cause they **** with snake.

 

[magikguy]

wow if you actually took 50 dmg lol

 

[misterpimp5757]

mario does not really suck. his utilt lock is like a freakin chaingrab.

luckily my friend doesnt do that even though i tell him he should. but pretty much all he does is fireballs, and he double jump high and when he comes down he will bair so i guess shield grab will pretty much beat him...but hes a challenge to me for some reason...i guess i cant play marios.

 

[Lawlmahbawls]

Nade counter if you're reaaaally lazy

 

[bludhoundz]

I know this question gets asked all the time.. but I conducted a search and found nothing (I wasn't going to read through this entire thread to find the answer either).

How do you do the momentum changing C4 / grenade pull with standard controller settings?

 

[Ken Neth]

You hit left or right on the joy stick immediately after using the move. C4s are a lot easier to learn how to b stick with because if you mess up you don't pull out the nikita XD

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Say you are not bsticking? Does that make it more difficult to learn?

 

[Ken Neth]

By b-sticking I just mean changing your momentum with your b attacks, not actually changing your c-stick to b attacks. You can't b stick grenades with the changed c-stick anyways.

 

[K 2]

Hey everyone. I'm going to team up with a Snake/ike main at a tourney, and I was wondering what stages Snake is good at. I know Snake does well on neutrals, but is he super good on any counter pick stages? I use G&W.

G&W's best legal stages are:
Rainbow Cruise
Green Greens
Norfair

He also does well on:
Pirate Ship
Jungle Japes <- I heard this is one of snake's worst stages.
Halberd

Corneria is banned.

Edit: Also, what are good MK/Snake doubles stages?

 

[DZhou]

What's the proper way to escape Sheik's ftilt spam?

 

[Panix]

Hey everyone. I'm going to team up with a Snake/ike main at a tourney, and I was wondering what stages Snake is good at. I know Snake does well on neutrals, but is he super good on any counter pick stages? I use G&W.

G&W's best legal stages are:
Rainbow Cruise
Green Greens
Norfair

He also does well on:
Pirate Ship
Jungle Japes <- I heard this is one of snake's worst stages.
Halberd

Corneria is banned.

Edit: Also, what are good MK/Snake doubles stages?

snake is great on...

FD (unless your vrsing a falco or rob)
Smashville (best snake stage imo)
lylcat cruise (three platforms = c4 ****)
yoshi's island
noirfair
brinstar

battlefield is snakes weakness, mainly because thats more of a ariel characters stage.

 

[Lawlmahbawls]

Battlefield is a great Snake stage, wtf. Just camp under a platform with a mine in front and a C4 above.

 

[yellowroy]

Halberd and Norfair are good counterpicks with Snake and G&W.

Battlefield is a good Snake stage what are you talking about?

 

[Ken Neth]

It all really depends on who you're fighting on BF. Characters like MK and Oli are dominant on that stage. For the most part though, BF is a good stage for snake.

 

[yellowroy]

I like BF for Olimar.

But I hate it for MK.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Which is more effective at limiting someones options when they are on the edge? A mine placed so that any get up or ledge attacks trigger it, or a grenade? I always thought a mine was better, when you had the time to place it.

 

[Ken Neth]

They can just roll from the ledge and it'll blow up if it's that close to the edge.

 

[SuSa]

BF is a great stage for Snake... his aerial game is great and BF lets you use it to its fullest. + Pushing shielding opponents off the platforms into the last hit of nair always feels great.

Just learn how to adjust how you use aerials here.

1. Platform dthrow techchase to dair is basically a guarenteed dair on anything....
2. Nair can hit people off platforms, and into the attack
3. Fall through platforms to bair/uair is great.
4. C4 + Mine games using the two lower platforms. Allows for some great setups as well (throw into mine, explode c4 above)
5. Using the platforms for "advanced" grenade usage.

But this stage gives HUGE advantages to other opponents (Meta Knight for one...I'd NEVER bring a MK here...) but otherwise it's my 3rd favorite Snake Stage. (Smashville > Norfair > Battlefield)

 

[yellowroy]

Havokk always knows how to explain things.

So why don't you go on smashboards much anymore?

 

[Panix]

BF is a great stage for Snake... his aerial game is great and BF lets you use it to its fullest. + Pushing shielding opponents off the platforms into the last hit of nair always feels great.

Just learn how to adjust how you use aerials here.

1. Platform dthrow techchase to dair is basically a guarenteed dair on anything....
2. Nair can hit people off platforms, and into the attack
3. Fall through platforms to bair/uair is great.
4. C4 + Mine games using the two lower platforms. Allows for some great setups as well (throw into mine, explode c4 above)
5. Using the platforms for "advanced" grenade usage.

But this stage gives HUGE advantages to other opponents (Meta Knight for one...I'd NEVER bring a MK here...) but otherwise it's my 3rd favorite Snake Stage. (Smashville > Norfair > Battlefield)

I would have to put lylact in fromt of nofair, norfair is more for vrsing D3 and falco. BF is some of your worst match-up's stage. (falco does good, MK, Oli)

 

[misterpimp5757]

Havokk always knows how to explain things.

So why don't you go on smashboards much anymore?

he said he moved in with his dad and he hardly gets to use the computer.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

They can just roll from the ledge and it'll blow up if it's that close to the edge.

That is why you just need the mine make them come to you. I thought that with the mine limiting getting up and attack they either jump or roll. Both of which can be intercepted with a FH Nair. Grenades I do not really see much usage on the ledge unless you do not really have time to place the mine.

To me mine placement is superior to grenade placement at the ledge as the mine lasts longer. Only difference is the amount of time needed to place a mine vs the grenade. But is there anything else that I'm not really getting between the 2?

 

[yellowroy]

Lylat is good for Falco's and Dedede's probably better.

Norfair is just good for Snake. Try it out when it's not banned.

Playing Falco on BF is way better than playing him on FD.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

Do you guys have a video thread? I cant seem to find one and I am interested in watching snake videos as I would like to pick him up.

 

[Ken Neth]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205428

There's the video thread. It is pretty out of date though.

When I make the video critique thread, should I also make it a new and up to date video thread as well?

 

[Black_Heretic]

sounds like it'd work, when are you making the critique thread? another day or so?

 

[Ken Neth]

I'm in class till six today, and then I have two tests to take today as well. So it'll either be late tonight or sometime tomorrow.

 

[misterpimp5757]

does snakes cypher destruction recovery really work?