Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Noipoi]

but i can like

go and just play brawl and melee? which has all those returning characters and stages? two characters i want to play as isn't really worth 100 dollars, and i am very limited on what i can buy. i could use that money to order super sentai dvds and probably get more out of it than just being able to play as ridley and k rool

Ultimate is gonna be Smash 64, Melee, Brawl, and Wii U on steroids, This is gonna be the best Smash game since probably ever.
If you don't want it then whatever, but you're missing out.

 

[T-Hell]

We're also not going to get any new info until October at the earliest.

But you don't know that. Also standalone trailers could happen.

 

[Ze Diglett]

I think the thing now is that most of the big names left are not as big as K.Rool/Ridley, and are a bit more divisive because of it. All of this character discussion is making me think of this as one big game of "****, Kill, or Marry."

So, here's the Smash version: "Cut, Assist, or Playable"

We'll look at three characters, and decide which you want playable, which to get just an assist, and which to cut completely...Let's start with the big three names we've seen around so far: Geno, Isaac, and Bandana Dee. Which would you cut, which gets an assist, and which is in?

Cut: Isaac. Sorry, but I just don't have any attachment to the character.
Assist: Bandana Dee. If I can't have him be playable, this is the next best role for him. Besides, if I'm honest, I'd rather have Gooey as the next Kirby rep. (Yes, really.)
Playable: Geno. Surprise!

 

[Will]

Ultimate is gonna be Smash 64, Melee, Brawl, and Wii U on steroids, This is gonna be the best Smash game since probably ever.
If you don't want it then whatever, but you're missing out.

sorry kid unless it has maximum wavedashing and frame 1 shines this **** belongs in a dumpster

 

[Rosalinatehplumber]

Here's mine of the "Big 3"
Cut: Bandana Dee
Assist: Geno
Playable: Issac

 

[Taco Cruise]

It's very obvious that Sakurai is gearing newcomers (echos and new fully-fleshed out characters) to be fan favorite picks.

I think anyone downplaying the chances of Issac and Geno is going to eat their words when they're announced.

 

[DevaAshera]

You know what I mean. To me Nintendo was always a family friendly company and you know young kids play that game. Kids absorb stuff like that, and I know from personal experience that it’s not healthy.

Young kids shouldn't play Xenoblade Chronicles 2..its rated Teen.
Nintendo is also actively trying to shed that Kiddy image to show they have games for all ages with the likes of Fire Emblem, Xenoblade Chronicles, and Bayonetta.

I also think we don't give kids enough credit..they aren't as dumb (couldn't think of a better word) as we seem to act like they are.

You're saying DK had no good relevant characters. K Rool is seemingly everyone's favorite character right now. He was also a top request since brawl, many years before palutina and dark pit. He's literally less relevant now than he would have been if he got in during brawl, smash 4, or smash 4 dlc

Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate are different games.
All of the newcomers in Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS/Wii U had been relevant in the last 5 years except for Duck Hunt, who was the retro pick. King K. Rool & Dixie Kong's last appearances were Mario Super Sluggers in 2008. King K. Rool is rumored to have been retired until fan demand through the ballot revived him. He was never likely on the table for SSB4. Rumor is Nintendo didn't think he was truly popular (Nintendo can be out of touch, this is believable)

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The fact that this game will have the largest roster in Smash history which already included so many highly recognisable characters and well as the tons of other content this game has will be more than enough to attract the general Switch audience. Anything else at this point would be a bonus for them.

 

[Shroob]

Of course, I'm also a firm believer in the 103 stages being the final number pre-DLC.


As much as I'd love there to be more, and in all likelihood there 'should' be more due to how the SSS is laid out, the Famitsu column really made me think that Sakurai's main goal for the base game was "100 franchise stages".


I'm not believing currently that any new characters revealed will come from new IPs, and as far as any of the 'big' leaks right now have a say in things, they line up with this ideology perfectly.

 

[Bionichute]

but it's 60 dollars
this is some ****ty *** logic man, but you do you

welcome to canada, the land of the ****ed economy

You're moving the goalposts. You said Brawl and Melee feature everything that's returning, which simply isn't true.

they do though? everything returning is from them. i don't really get what you mean by this

i feel its perfectly valid to say i dont want to buy something if it disappoints me, and a low newcomer count would disappoint me a lot. i don't have a lot of money to buy things with, and i could probably spend that money on something else that would disappoint me less

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I feel like everyone's forgetting that Nintendo Online launches in September. It's very likely they have a Direct that shows off games already out and upcoming that'll benefit from the service. What's a headline title that's coming out in just a couple months that everyone is excited for?

I could totally see them ending a Nintendo Online direct with Skull Kid. Why Skull Kid? I dunno.

 

[DarkFalcon]

It's very obvious that Sakurai is gearing newcomers (echos and new fully-fleshed out characters) to be fan favorite picks.

I think anyone downplaying the chances of Issac and Geno is going to eat their words when they're announced.

Who's downplaying them exactly?

 

[ZephyrZ]

I myself will be buying a Switch for this game, that's how worth it this game is in my eyes. Though, I think they mean more along the lines of how a casual fan will feel. Unfortunately, most casuals aren't hyped by the return of Pichu or Young Link at all, and most might not even know who K. Rool is. That's assumptions, of course, but I don't think I'm too far off. That's why I think Sakurai may have a bit more in store, as to make this more "worth it" to casuals (even though it already should be imo).

I can't speak for all casuals, but my sister is as casual as they come and she was bursting with excitement from the "Everyone is Here" trailer. I think just the shear number of fighters excited her, even if specific characters like K.Rool didn't.

 

[Noipoi]

I feel like everyone's forgetting that Nintendo Online launches in September. It's very likely they have a Direct that shows off games already out and upcoming that'll benefit from the service. What's a headline title that's coming out in just a couple months that everyone is excited for?

I could totally see them ending a Nintendo Online direct with Skull Kid. Why Skull Kid? I dunno.

I dunno about Skull Kid specifically, but a newcomer reveal could definitely happen at the end of an online direct.

 

[Will]

Who's downplaying them exactly?

The only people who "downplay" Geno is people like me who say "okay but square is a **** how do we know they got the license".
Never seen anyone "downplay" Isaac though you either know him or dont care enough to know him

 

[Luigi The President]

welcome to canada, the land of the ****ed economy


they do though? everything returning is from them. i don't really get what you mean by this

i feel its perfectly valid to say i dont want to buy something if it disappoints me, and a low newcomer count would disappoint me a lot. i don't have a lot of money to buy things with, and i could probably spend that money on something else that would disappoint me less

....you said specifically Brawl and Melee have everything that is returning.
They do not have every single stage. They do not have every single character. They do not have 8-Player Smash and trophies. What I am trying to say is that Ultimate has more content then Melee or Brawl, which is enticing for most.
It seems you were implying you could go to Brawl or Melee and play as all returning characters. Maybe I was wrong, but it came across that way.

I can't speak for all casuals, but my sister is as casual as they come and she was bursting with excitement from the "Everyone is Here" trailer. I think just the shear number of fighters excited her, even if specific characters like K.Rool didn't.

Great to know. I should've figured!

 

[DarkFalcon]

The only people who "downplay" Geno is people like me who say "okay but square is a **** how do we know they got the license".
Never seen anyone "downplay" Isaac though you either know him or dont care enough to know him

Basically how I feel regarding both characters. I can easily see Geno being in but with SE I've got no clue.

Never played Isaac's games so I don't really care about him either way.

 

[YoshiandToad]

"Not worth getting"

>Nearly every stage from every prior game
>Every character from every prior game
>Gameplay tweaks that improve on Smash4 drastically
>Fricken Ridley and K.Rool


The Smash fanbase really can never be satisfied, huh? Give them the world, they'll ask for the entire galaxy.

What if you couldn't care less about Ridley, K.Rool or the cut vets returning?

I mean Smash's community aren't a hive mind.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It's very obvious that Sakurai is gearing newcomers (echos and new fully-fleshed out characters) to be fan favorite picks.

I think anyone downplaying the chances of Issac and Geno is going to eat their words when they're announced.

If they are announced. Neither of them are shoo-ins.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think the thing now is that most of the big names left are not as big as K.Rool/Ridley, and are a bit more divisive because of it. All of this character discussion is making me think of this as one big game of "****, Kill, or Marry."

So, here's the Smash version: "Cut, Assist, or Playable"

We'll look at three characters, and decide which you want playable, which to get just an assist, and which to cut completely...Let's start with the big three names we've seen around so far: Geno, Isaac, and Bandana Dee. Which would you cut, which gets an assist, and which is in?

Cut: Geno
Sorry, but I have no attachment to this guy.

Assist: Issac
Never played Golden Sun, so maybe I don't know what I'm missing out on. Still, his AT was pretty cool.

Playable: BWD
Kirby is one of those series that's really overdue for a newcomer, and BWD would be fantastic. He'd finally complete the quartet of heroes, and he'd also be Smash's first spear fighter. After him, I'd be completely content with the franchise.

 

[Luigi The President]

You know, if that stages rule is holding true and no more new stages are coming...

Paper Mario already has a stage. Meaning he wouldn't have to worry about getting a new one just for him.
He also has music.

Just something to consider...

 

[DarkFalcon]

What if you couldn't care less about Ridley, K.Rool or the cut vets returning?

I mean Smash's community aren't a hive mind.

There's more to Smash Bros than just characters. Characters are the big thing before the game launches but what keeps people going post launch is the gameplay.

 

[Will]

You know, if that stages rule is holding true and no more new stages are coming...

Paper Mario already has a stage. Meaning he wouldn't have to worry about getting a new one just for him.
He also has music.

Just something to consider...

Okay. I considered it.

Spoiler: consideration results

It means nothing.

 

[DevaAshera]

but i can like

go and just play brawl and melee? which has all those returning characters and stages? two characters i want to play as isn't really worth 100 dollars, and i am very limited on what i can buy. i could use that money to order super sentai dvds and probably get more out of it than just being able to play as ridley and k rool

But you can't have a match featuring Young Link, Snake, Cloud, and Ridley fighting on Mushroom Kingdom from the original Super Smash Bros. The 'I could use this character in this game' is flawed since you couldn't have these match ups. If I wanted to play as Lucina and my friend wanted to play as Young Link, we wouldn't be able to in any other Smash game except for Ultimate, that's what's so exciting..along with having it be both HD and portable.

I'm honestly more hyped for everyone returning then any newcomer we could get.

 

[Luigi The President]

Okay. I considered it.

Spoiler: consideration results

It means nothing.

Please just let me have this...it's been a rough four years. Thank you, my friend.

 

[Noipoi]

Personally, i'm hype for Ultimate not only because of all the new things but also all the returning stages, features, and of course characters.
I hopped on the Smash train late. I never played 64 or melee or Brawl, my first and only Smash game was Wii U.
All these beloved things returning will finally give me a chance to try out real classic mode, and characters like Snake, Ice Climbers, and Pokemon Trainer.
The fact that i'll finally get to experience these things hypes me up way more than Ridley and K Rool, and 60 dollars is more than worth it.
Also Inklings. Inklings are worth 60 bucks alone.

 

[Bionichute]

....you said specifically Brawl and Melee have everything that is returning.
They do not have every single stage. They do not have every single character. They do not have 8-Player Smash and trophies. What I am trying to say is that Ultimate has more content then Melee or Brawl, which is enticing for most.
It seems you were implying you could go to Brawl or Melee and play as all returning characters. Maybe I was wrong, but it came across that way.

i did basically just mean all the past games when i said that. and i am pretty sure that the past four games have every single stage and character in them.

i don't really want to play as cloud or young link. they might as well not be in the roster for all i care

 

[Deleted member]

Cut: Bandana Dee
Assist: Geno

Cut: Geno

You two are the most evil people I have met.

I feel like everyone's forgetting that Nintendo Online launches in September. It's very likely they have a Direct that shows off games already out and upcoming that'll benefit from the service. What's a headline title that's coming out in just a couple months that everyone is excited for?

I could totally see them ending a Nintendo Online direct with Skull Kid. Why Skull Kid? I dunno.

Skull Kid seems more likely for some reason.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Don't know why anyone would dispute Echoes not being on the level of a full-fledged newcomer and thus being treated separately in discussion about the newcomer number, when even Sakurai is treating them as a separate class of characters. Regardless though, regarding Vergeben's "at least six newcomers left" after E3, someone should simply ask him if he knows if that number includes Echoes or not, he will probably answer it if enough people ask him.

 

[Luigi The President]

i did basically just mean all the past games when i said that. and i am pretty sure that the past four games have every single stage and character in them.

i don't really want to play as cloud or young link. they might as well not be in the roster for all i care

Welp, that's your opinion, have a good day.

 

[Will]

Please just let me have this...it's been a rough four years. Thank you, my friend.

If you love something you have to let it go.

 

[Luigi The President]

If you love something you have to let it go.

I-I know...it's just so hard.

 

[PeridotGX]

You two are the most evil people I have met.

Sorry, but I like characters that are a little more important then a one-off side role in a Mario Spinoff 20 years ago (I know you didn't quote me but I had the same choice).

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Personally, i'm hype for Ultimate not only because of all the new things but also all the returning stages, features, and of course characters.
I hopped on the Smash train late. I never played 64 or melee or Brawl, my first and only Smash game was Wii U.
All these beloved things returning will finally give me a chance to try out real classic mode, and characters like Snake, Ice Climbers, and Pokemon Trainer.
The fact that i'll finally get to experience these things hypes me up way more than Ridley and K Rool, and 60 dollars is more than worth it.
Also Inklings. Inklings are worth 60 bucks alone.

Oh damn! I envy you so much, trying all those returning characters for the first time, you're in for a ride!

First 10 hours of play in Ultimate: trying new characters

 

[Onua]

If its true that the only newcomers coming now all originated from series we already have then I guess a lot of these wild card 3rd party or totally new series reps being added is out the window

So I guess we could see maybe one of these realistically
A new pokemon
Black Knight Echo
Medusa Echo
Ken Echo
Shadow Echo
Dixie Kong Echo
Isabelle Echo
Skull Kid
Bandanna Dee
Hades as a boss in spirits mode

Outside of these I really cant think of anyone else left that would make sense that isnt from a new IP. So I BET you some of the newcomers will be from this list.

 

[Luigi The President]

Sorry, but I like characters that are a little more important then a one-off side role in a Mario Spinoff 20 years ago (I know you didn't quote me but I had the same choice).

He saved us from Smithy and you disrespect him like this? Disgusting honestly.

 

[Cosmic77]

You two are the most evil people I have met.

Ehh, makes sense. Ridley was the character I wanted most.

But that's just my opinion. I'm one of those weird guys who doesn't understand Geno and all that jazz.

 

[Will]

He saved us from Smithy and you disrespect him like this? Disgusting honestly.

Not even a canon timeline tho

 

[DarkFalcon]

I still don't know what Geno's personality is.

 

[Luigi The President]

Not even a canon timeline tho

....what really.

I still don't know what Geno's personality is.

Everyone's gonna tell you he's a total badass, but...
He's kind of a nerd. Incredibly strong and still badass, but he's very polite and a bit of a dweeb.
Says "Yo, Smithy!" at one point.