Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Noipoi]

If its true that the only newcomers coming now all originated from series we already have then I guess a lot of these wild card 3rd party or totally new series reps being added is out the window

So I guess we could see maybe one of these realistically
A new pokemon
Black Knight Echo
Medusa Echo
Ken Echo
Shadow Echo
Dixie Kong Echo
Isabelle Echo
Skull Kid
Bandanna Dee
Hades as a boss in spirits mode

Outside of these I really cant think of anyone else left that would make sense that isnt from a new IP. So I BET you some of the newcomers will be from this list.

Even if the stage thing wasn't an issue I would still bet money on a new Pokemon, Isabelle, and Shadow.
I'd bet on Geno too, Sakurai's going all out in this game.

 

[Bionichute]

i don't really enjoy people trying to tell me to buy something that might not be worth my money. i want ultimate, but i do have an expectation for it when it comes to characters. if it doesn't meet what i want i have no reason to buy it other than social bandwagging. and even then i can go play RoA or any of the other Smash clones that tend to be slightly better than the actual games

 

[Cosmic77]

He saved us from Smithy and you disrespect him like this? Disgusting honestly.

Let's be honest. Every character would be a goner if it weren't for Peach constantly restoring HP.

I still don't know what Geno's personality is.

His personality is as interesting as a toy doll.

...Wait.

 

[Luigi The President]

i don't really enjoy people trying to tell me to buy something that might not be worth my money. i want ultimate, but i do have an expectation for it when it comes to characters. if it doesn't meet what i want i have no reason to buy it other than social bandwagging. and even then i can go play RoA or any of the other Smash clones that tend to be slightly better than the actual games

I wasn't even telling you to buy it, man...I'm pretty sure nobody was, they were just giving you reasons to consider.
Buy and play what you want.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Not even a canon timeline tho

Mario has Canon?

 

[Bionichute]

I wasn't even telling you to buy it, man...I'm pretty sure nobody was, they were just giving you reasons to consider.
Buy and play what you want.

it came off pretty hostile

 

[Luigi The President]

it came off pretty hostile

Well, apologies then. Wasn't my intention.

 

[Noipoi]

I still don't know what Geno's personality is.

From what i've seen of Mario rpg, Geno seems like a nice, polite, kinda nerdy spirit who's also incredibly op in battle.
I don't know why he's garnered such a strong following though, i guess people really like Mario rpg!

 

[SlickWylde]

i don't really enjoy people trying to tell me to buy something that might not be worth my money. i want ultimate, but i do have an expectation for it when it comes to characters. if it doesn't meet what i want i have no reason to buy it other than social bandwagging. and even then i can go play RoA or any of the other Smash clones that tend to be slightly better than the actual games

I have no problem with that. I don't see a reason for them or you to even be discussing it. It's a pointless conversation. You feel dissatisfied with the amount of characters, while we feel that we're getting tons of stuff and it will be well worth the price. You're not going to change each others' minds. I'd recommend ALL of us talk about something more fun. (Like the "big 3" game this thread is doing)

 

[Will]

Mario has Canon?

I asked the same thing.
No, seriously.

woah woah woah woah woah
hold the phone

Mario has a canon?

That was 500 pages ago.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I have no problem with that. I don't see a reason for them or you to even be discussing it. It's a pointless conversation. You feel dissatisfied with the amount of characters, while we feel that we're getting tons of stuff and it will be well worth the price. You're not going to change each others' minds. I'd recommend ALL of us talk about something more fun. (Like the "big 3" game this thread is doing)

More fun? Let's talk about chairs again

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

And what exactly do you think will make casual fans interested?


Ridley and K.Rool aren't picks for casual fans, as are characters like Simon or Geno if he's in.


The game is being targeted towards us first and foremost when it comes to roster selection; Sakurai saying as much that the ballot was a huge reason why K.Rool's even here in the first place.


Smash 4 was the time to add characters that the casual audience would recognize, Smash Ultimate is more driven for us hardcore fans.

DLC is going to be purely for the casuals. I bet on it.

 

[Luigi The President]

From what i've seen of Mario rpg, Geno seems like a nice, polite, kinda nerdy spirit who's also incredibly op in battle.
I don't know why he's garnered such a strong following though, i guess people really like Mario rpg!

He is pretty sick in concept. He's got a great design and is a warrior from the stars, and has pretty badass attacks. He also just doesn't show up anymore, and as SMRPG is pretty well-loved, he's a pretty nostalgic character.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

He saved us from Smithy and you disrespect him like this? Disgusting honestly.

Plus i would still be stuck in the Forest Maze 20 years later if it wasn't for Geno... he kind of saved my life in a way

 

[Noipoi]

When it comes to the "Big 3".
I guess i'd cut Isaac (sorry not sorry)
Assist Bandanna Dee (i'm actually sorry about this one)
and make Geno playable, just to see the hype levels explode.

 

[Bionichute]

anyway kirby star allies is a better smash game than smash 4: discuss

 

[Cosmic77]

Mario has Canon?

It tries to, but it's not very good at it.

Pretty sure Rosalina only visits the Mushroom Kingdom once every 100 years. Why is she playing tennis and having fun at parties instead of piloting the Comet Observatory?

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

i don't really enjoy people trying to tell me to buy something that might not be worth my money. i want ultimate, but i do have an expectation for it when it comes to characters. if it doesn't meet what i want i have no reason to buy it other than social bandwagging. and even then i can go play RoA or any of the other Smash clones that tend to be slightly better than the actual games

No ones forcing you to buy ****, but to denounce the game as "disappointing" or "not worth the money" when it simply doesn't cater to your specific picks is ridic. This game is ridiculously chock full of content, and if it's not meeting your expectations maybe the thing you should be questioning is your own expectations.

Spoken by a Central American dude who also probably can't afford Ultimate along with a Switch due to the crazy price vamping.

 

[Ze Diglett]

anyway kirby star allies is a better smash game than smash 4: discuss

Can't argue with that. It's just true.

 

[Zinith]

Cut Bandana Dee (doesn't mean I don't like the guy)
AT Isaac (cause he was one before)
Playable Geno (and have Boshi come along for the ride)

 

[MSmariosonic]

i can go play RoA or any of the other Smash clones that tend to be slightly better than the actual games

Hold on

I really hope I misread that




Lemme show somethin' amazing real quick

Spoiler: isn't it glorious?!

Deja vu....

 

[T-Hell]

....what really.


Everyone's gonna tell you he's a total badass, but...
He's kind of a nerd. Incredibly strong and still badass, but he's very polite and a bit of a dweeb.
Says "Yo, Smithy!" at one point.

So Geno actually speaks?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

DLC is going to be purely for the casuals. I bet on it.

You mean like how Corrin was there for the casuals when the previous game had DLC?

 

[Noipoi]

It tries to, but it's not very good at it.

Pretty sure Rosalina only visits the Mushroom Kingdom once every 100 years. Why is she playing tennis and having fun at parties instead of piloting the Comet Observatory?

I always thought the canon reason was that Rosalina would usually visit the Mushroom Kingdom every 100 years until she met Mario, and then he started inviting her to parties, go-kart races, blood matches, etc.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

So Geno actually speaks?

If I recall everyone speaks in SMRPG

 

[Luigi The President]

So Geno actually speaks?

Oh yeah, he gets a lot of dialogue.

 

[Bionichute]

Hold on

I really hope I misread that




Lemme show somethin' amazing real quick

Spoiler: isn't it glorious?!

Deja vu....

man did you see the shovel knight trailer tho

shovel knight has so much more depth in RoA than any of these characters and its really sad

 

[DarkFalcon]

I just want Super Mario Sunshine 2 with more crazy FLUDD abilities.

 

[papagenos]

Mario has Canon?

Well Geno can Transform into a canon...in Mario... so yes Geno is Mario canon.

 

[Noipoi]

So Geno actually speaks?

Everyone except Mario speaks, it's a mario rpg game after all.
And even Mario speaks in Courage the cowardly dog style charades.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Young kids shouldn't play Xenoblade Chronicles 2..its rated Teen.
Nintendo is also actively trying to shed that Kiddy image to show they have games for all ages with the likes of Fire Emblem, Xenoblade Chronicles, and Bayonetta.

I also think we don't give kids enough credit..they aren't as dumb (couldn't think of a better word) as we seem to act like they are.

Yeah man, I cleverly managed to have Conker's Bad Fur Day bought and played it when no one else was around, when I was 14 (yeah, even the M rating didn't stop me from playing anything).

Not even a canon timeline tho

It tries to, but it's not very good at it.

Pretty sure Rosalina only visits the Mushroom Kingdom once every 100 years. Why is she playing tennis and having fun at parties instead of piloting the Comet Observatory?

Nintendo isn't intending to have Mario use canon, so the games can be accessible to everyone. There's a reason why they killed off Fawful after two games.

 

[MSmariosonic]

man did you see the shovel knight trailer tho

shovel knight has so much more depth in RoA than any of these characters and its really sad

Shovel who?

Dat some kind of abrahamic figure?

 

[AreJay25]

I have a weird sort of deal with Geno.

If you would have asked me, say, 2 years ago whether or not I want to see him in the game, I would have said "nah, he's a one off character from a 20 year old game, I'd rather he stay out."

But recently... I've kinda reversed course. I don't know why exactly, but I've gotten to the point where I'd actually be happy to see him. Maybe it's because I still thought he was a cool character, maybe it was because of his moveset potential. But nonetheless, my opinion has certainly changed since then.

He's not among my most wanted, but I'm not going to object if he gets in.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Everyone except Mario speaks, it's a mario rpg game after all.
And even Mario speaks in Courage the cowardly dog style charades.

It's a miracle anyone can understand them.

Or for that matter in the Mario & Luigi games where he and Luigi speak gibberitallian

 

[Shroob]

Really, if Geno gets in, there's a bigger deal here than him representing Super Mario RPG.


It's the fact that if he gets in, it's a character that the community banded together to elevate to the levels of getting into Smash.


This is why Geno has always been a part of the "Big 3" when it comes to Smash.


? We've wanted him since Melee, but were always told he was "Too big" or "Couldn't make the character true to how he'd be", but god damnit we stayed persistent, and Sakurai FINALLY relented and gave us Ridley.

? Nintendo themselves forbid Retro from putting him in Tropical Freeze's Switch port and had "No idea" he was even still popular. We as a community effectively kept him alive while Nintendo wanted to bury him to never be seen again, and look at the boi now.


Geno is the last piece.

A character from a well loved RPG that started gaining popularity as far back as Melee to the point that even Sakurai himself has shown interest in, and now he got a Mii Costume in Smash 4. He's THIS CLOSE to finally making it.

 

[Ze Diglett]

So Geno actually speaks?

Yep. In fact, he has the most lines in the game other than Bowser, IIRC.

 

[Deleted member]

Ehh, makes sense. Ridley was the character I wanted most.

I wanted Ridley too!

Mario has Canon?

Yes he does.

 

[Bionichute]

you know what does have real canon tho

Kirby

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

DLC is going to be purely for the casuals. I bet on it.

Last DLC was mostly for hardcore fans though and it was well received, now Ultimate is the most well received Smash game ever because of how it caters to the fans. Why would they pull a 180 when their plan obviously works?

Well Geno can Transform into a canon...in Mario... so yes Geno is Mario canon.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Wait if we get Geno we might get Axem Rangers assist trophies

Aight Geno you got me