Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Quality over Quantity is the better choice.

Quality with Quantity is even better.

But Tobal 2 man.

 

[vaanrose]

Frankly I can picture him moving around just fine. Just have him face at an angle like R.O.B. and make sure his limbs don't go swaying to far as he moves.

If you really wanted to though you could probably style him over the Minecraft: Story Mode series' artstyle.

Story Mode just shows how much they had to cheat to even begin to make Steve work as a character. Higher res face texture/geometry so he can actually emote, limbs that bend so he can actually animate, etc.

 

[Sharkarat]

Talking third Party ATs:
I really want Slime from Dragon Quest as an assist trophy.

 

[Nazyrus]

Quality with Quantity is even better.

I like to believe that's Sakurai's way.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Just for fun, if you had to choose between having 5 unique characters in Issac, Geno, Banjo, Skull Kid and Bandana Dee, or 15 echo fighters of your choice what would you pick?

- Jeanne
- Black Shadow
- Dixie
- Funky
- Dr.Luigi
//- Slippy
- Octolings
- Alm or Lyn
- Ninten
- Medusa or Viridi
:ultrobin- Celica
- Ken
- Shadow
- Hilda

Quality with Quantity is even better

Smash Ultimate in a nutshell

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

How about:
15. Boshi:

Great idea. I'm pretty sure you'll summon Zinith just by mentionning Boshi

 

[Momotsuki]

Does anybody else want a Smash Bros. rep? I don't really count Miis as such, nor do I count Roy or R.O.B., either. Perhaps Primid?​

 

[Hinata]

Speaking of echo fighters, how are y'all gonna handle them when you get the game? Are you gonna keep them separate, or are you gonna take advantage of the feature that lets you stack 'em with the character they're based on?

Personally, I'm gonna keep 'em separate. Makes the roster look more impressive, plus Chrom and Dark Samus have too many noticeable differences from their counterparts for me to just relegate them to glorified alts.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Alright fine, I'll pick the 15 echoes over the 5 newcomers, but I'll be sure to abuse every last drop of my hypothetical power as I do it!


Decidueye as
Bubsy the Bobcat as
Kraid as
Shadow Pit as

Peter Pan as
Mr.Krabs as
Kermit the Frog as
Goku as
Rumble McSkirmish as
Kim Possible as
Baymax as
Generic Blue-haired anime swordsman as
Godzilla as
Noodle the Snake as
Squidward as


I honestly can't imagine a better roster.

 

[Momotsuki]

Alright fine, I'll pick the 15 echoes over the 5 newcomers, but I'll be sure to abuse every last drop of my hypothetical power as I do it!


Decidueye as
Bubsy the Bobcat as
Kraid as
Shadow Pit as

Peter Pan as
Mr.Krabs as
Kermit the Frog as
Goku as
Rumble McSkirmish as
Kim Possible as
Baymax as
Generic Blue-haired anime swordsman as
Godzilla as
Noodle the Snake as
Squidward as


I honestly can't imagine a better roster.

It gets worse the further down you read.​

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Speaking of echo fighters, how are y'all gonna handle them when you get the game? Are you gonna keep them separate, or are you gonna take advantage of the feature that lets you stack 'em with the character they're based on?

Personally, I'm gonna keep 'em separate. Makes the roster look more impressive, plus Chrom and Dark Samus have too many noticeable differences from their counterparts for me to just relegate them to glorified alts.

Keep them separate. I think every playable character deserves to have their own spot on the CSS.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Story Mode just shows how much they had to cheat to even begin to make Steve work as a character. Higher res face texture/geometry so he can actually emote, limbs that bend so he can actually animate, etc.

I mean... if the deed has already been done then what's stopping them from using that style in Ultimate?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Speaking of echo fighters, how are y'all gonna handle them when you get the game? Are you gonna keep them separate, or are you gonna take advantage of the feature that lets you stack 'em with the character they're based on?

Personally, I'm gonna keep 'em separate. Makes the roster look more impressive, plus Chrom and Dark Samus have too many noticeable differences from their counterparts for me to just relegate them to glorified alts.

I think I speak for everyone when I say I want as much big **** energy from the roster as possible

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Does anybody else want a Smash Bros. rep? I don't really count Miis as such, nor do I count Roy or R.O.B., either. Perhaps Primid?​

Sandbag is clearly the best choice for a smash bros. original fighter

and Sandbag-chan as an echo

 

[Shroob]

I mean... if the deed has already been done then what's stopping them from using that style in Ultimate?

Something something Jurassic Park, something something could, should.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of echo fighters, how are y'all gonna handle them when you get the game? Are you gonna keep them separate, or are you gonna take advantage of the feature that lets you stack 'em with the character they're based on?

Personally, I'm gonna keep 'em separate. Makes the roster look more impressive, plus Chrom and Dark Samus have too many noticeable differences from their counterparts for me to just relegate them to glorified alts.

Stacking them. They're almost the same character as their base, and having too large a roster is going to look ridiculous on a small screen. It also bothers me that echoes break the number order.

 

[MrSmashFour]

Been hypnotically watching Zachmac's signature and - I'm sure it's been discussed before but - I noticed this fairly prominent castle in the background of the victory pose... do we have any clue what it is? Something from the story mode maybe?

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Oh wow, really? I thought quality over quantity would be the most obvious choice, but it looks like I might actually be in the minority here.

That was too much of a good deal... i mean 15 for the price of 5!

Alright fine, I'll pick the 15 echoes over the 5 newcomers, but I'll be sure to abuse every last drop of my hypothetical power as I do it!


Decidueye as
Bubsy the Bobcat as
Kraid as
Shadow Pit as

Peter Pan as
Mr.Krabs as
Kermit the Frog as
Goku as
Rumble McSkirmish as
Kim Possible as
Baymax as
Generic Blue-haired anime swordsman as
Godzilla as
Noodle the Snake as
Squidward as


I honestly can't imagine a better roster.

Lmao. Awesome.

Plz not Bubsy!!! NOOoooOOOOoooOO!

I'm having war veteran style flashbacks just now ! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG!? Every damn thing!

 

[AlphaSSB]

Just for fun, if you had to choose between having 5 unique characters in Issac, Geno, Banjo, Skull Kid and Bandana Dee, or 15 echo fighters of your choice what would you pick?

Unique characters. I prefer quality over quantity. Not to mention those specific character picks aren't too shabby.

There's only a handful of clone fighters I'd be interested in, being James McCloud, Shadow, Impa, and Isabelle.

Speaking of echo fighters, how are y'all gonna handle them when you get the game? Are you gonna keep them separate, or are you gonna take advantage of the feature that lets you stack 'em with the character they're based on?

Personally, I'm gonna keep 'em separate. Makes the roster look more impressive, plus Chrom and Dark Samus have too many noticeable differences from their counterparts for me to just relegate them to glorified alts.

Another unpopular opinion, but I'd probably keep clone fighters bundled with their original. Makes the roster look less bloated.

 

[Noipoi]

Speaking of echo fighters, how are y'all gonna handle them when you get the game? Are you gonna keep them separate, or are you gonna take advantage of the feature that lets you stack 'em with the character they're based on?

Personally, I'm gonna keep 'em separate. Makes the roster look more impressive, plus Chrom and Dark Samus have too many noticeable differences from their counterparts for me to just relegate them to glorified alts.

I'm keeping em' all separate, I want it to be a hassle to find the character I want.

 

[P.Kat]

Just for fun, if you had to choose between having 5 unique characters in Issac, Geno, Banjo, Skull Kid and Bandana Dee, or 15 echo fighters of your choice what would you pick?

Out of those 5, I only like Isaac, but I rather have those 5 instead of the echoes for 2 reason:
1. Echoes are just basically fillers, not matter how well design they are. I'd rather have unique characters, than any number of echoes.
2. For the people who been wanting these characters for so long. Game wise (excluding winning a tournament and a boat load of money), nothing is better than getting a character you've wanted for so long. So why take that away from other people if you had the choice? It'll also make it more fun to play against other players in Smash.

Honestly, after seeing Cloud, Ridley and King K. Rool, I don't think I'm able to be surprised anymore. Seriously, they could announce Goku and I'd just be like "Huh. Neat." That's how bonkers this ride has been. I've went numb to the insanity.​

Welcome to madness, It was getting lonely here, so I'm glad I have company, everyone else is late though.

 

[Deleted member]

I have a question for people who have been part of the Smash Speculation scene for a long time (especially on both this and other sites).

How strong was the general buzz around Skull Kid during the Brawl and Sm4sh days, compared to other characters?

I'm especially interested in the Sm4sh days, because people seem to think Skull Kid is likely now, but if Sakurai is pulling from the Smash Ballot, was he actually even voted for in large numbers in 2015/16?

I don't mean to come off as saying "Skull Kid is impossible" or anything, or like I'm hating on the character; I'm just interested in what his fan demand actually was back when fan demand mattered the most.

I joined after he had already been deconfirmed but there was always a divide om what Zelda newcomer we should get so I'd say he was as popular as Ghirahim, Midna and such(read: not a whole lot).
His popularity has really risen these days due to all the rumors, way more than I jave ever seen.

Still, he is the main antagonist from MM which is considered a cult classic these days and his game is one of the few that didn't create a divide within the Zelda fanbase so I'd say that if Sakurai were to choose a Zelda character due to popular demand, it would be him(besides Impa but she ism't that popular despite being the obvious choice)

Speaking of echo fighters, how are y'all gonna handle them when you get the game? Are you gonna keep them separate, or are you gonna take advantage of the feature that lets you stack 'em with the character they're based on?

Personally, I'm gonna keep 'em separate. Makes the roster look more impressive, plus Chrom and Dark Samus have too many noticeable differences from their counterparts for me to just relegate them to glorified alts.

Keep them all separate because I like big meaty rosters

I think I speak for everyone when I say I want as much big **** energy from the roster as possible

Of course you'd want it when you have none yourself.

 

[Zeox]

Oh cool, 4chan mostly likes stuff I'd like.

oh god 4chan mostly likes stuff I like

Oh no!

 

[Mutsukki]

Been hypnotically watching Zachmac's signature and - I'm sure it's been discussed before but - I noticed this fairly prominent castle in the background of the victory pose... do we have any clue what it is? Something from the story mode maybe?

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Smash 4 also had random architecture on it's victory screen

Probably means nothing. I think there's a similar castle in Battlefield, so it's probably just a setting for that.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Been hypnotically watching Zachmac's signature and - I'm sure it's been discussed before but - I noticed this fairly prominent castle in the background of the victory pose... do we have any clue what it is? Something from the story mode maybe?

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For now, we shall assume it’s either nothing but a background bonus or it plays a role in a possible story mode

Sandbag is clearly the best choice for a smash bros. original fighter

and Sandbag-chan as an echo

I’m still shocked they never made Sandbag a fighter after nearly 20 years of being beaten on

 

[Deleted member]

You guys don't know how pissed I was when Naruto Storm 4 divided the roster between pages. You know how hype it would have been to see 108 ****ing characters on the cmscreen at once?

Oh wow, really? I thought quality over quantity would be the most obvious choice, but it looks like I might actually be in the minority here.

It's not really quality when I don't personally care for any of them.
Just Hector as an Echo would be enough for me to dump those 5.

 

[Roberk]

But guys, what if instead of Joker, we got Arvis?

Spoiler: Large Image

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I mean, everyone loves new Fire Emblem characters, you get your double Xander, and he fits in with the """"""theme"""""" so he'd be perfect.

But where's the Ziguldo for Arby's to BBQ?

 

[monadoboy]

Just for fun, if you had to choose between having 5 unique characters in Issac, Geno, Banjo, Skull Kid and Bandana Dee, or 15 echo fighters of your choice what would you pick?

Easy
ClassicBoshiPlusle/MinumHildaIsabelle[spoiler guys]Black KnightOctolingNintenImpaSakuraLouie/the other guys from 3:ultrobinCelicaFunkyBlack Shadow

 

[KMDP]

I joined after he had already been deconfirmed but there was always a divide om what Zelda newcomer we should get so I'd say he was as popular as Ghirahim, Midna and such(read: not a whole lot).
His popularity has really risen these days due to all the rumors, way more than I jave ever seen.

Still, he is the main antagonist from MM which is considered a cult classic these days and his game is one of the few that didn't create a divide within the Zelda fanbase so I'd say that if Sakurai were to choose a Zelda character due to popular demand, it would be him(besides Impa but she ism't that popular despite being the obvious choice).

Thanks for answering, Shishœ.

People need to remember that Skull Kid is not necessarily a lock, especially if Sakurai is pulling mainly from the ballot for Smash Ultimate.

With the fact that Skull Kid already existed in Smash 4 (disconfirmation of playability affected a lot of character voting back then), and the fact that Zelda wants are very, very diluted (the return of Young Link from Melee; Skull Kid, Midna, Tetra, Impa, Ghirahim, Hilda, Vaati, MM Young Link, Groose, Pig Ganon, Lana, HW Impa, Toon Zelda), how many people actually voted for him?

 

[Hank Hill]

If there is a story mode in this game, what do you think is gonna be the storyline? Is it gonna be non-existent like Melee's Adventure mode, or will it have some substance like Brawl's Subspace Emissary?

 

[Momotsuki]

If there is a story mode in this game, what do you think is gonna be the storyline? Is it gonna be non-existent like Melee's Adventure mode, or will it have some substance like Brawl's Subspace Emissary?

I think it will be similar to how Smash 4 handled things. No substance for the most part and then an incredibly cryptic lore dump at the end.​

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

I have a question for people who have been part of the Smash Speculation scene for a long time (especially on both this and other sites).

How strong was the general buzz around Skull Kid during the Brawl and Sm4sh days, compared to other characters?

I'm especially interested in the Sm4sh days, because people seem to think Skull Kid is likely now, but if Sakurai is pulling from the Smash Ballot, was he actually even voted for in large numbers in 2015/16?

I don't mean to come off as saying "Skull Kid is impossible" or anything, or like I'm hating on the character; I'm just interested in what his fan demand actually was back when fan demand mattered the most.

What I'll give SK is his support was always consistent. He never lacked people who would have liked to see him in. Now it rose and dropped, specially the further down the timeline we get (if I recall correctly he was most popular in the pre/post brawl days). In the pre Sm4sh days he lost steam due to skyward sword having just come out and people wanting to see the villain from that game make it. (I forget the long tongue ******** name.) As far as ballot goes I can't attest but his strength was always in his ease of use. No hoops to jump, a classic Zelda villain, popular, if sakurai wanted him he wouldn't have a hard time with it. I wouldn't be surprised if he did well, he got a costume after all.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I wanted Midna as a new Zelda rep. Unfortunately it didn't come to pass. Until BoTW I wasn't huge on Zelda but I did play WW and TP, with a bit of 2D ones but never fully beat them. I don't have the same nostalgia for Skull Kid like others do.

Speaking of a Zelda rep I think would be neat...Tetra. gimme a pirate moveset.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

I’m still shocked they never made Sandbag a fighter after nearly 20 years of being beaten on

At least the guys of Smash Flash gave gim a shot...

 

[KMDP]

What I'll give SK is his support was always consistent. He never lacked people who would have liked to see him in. Now it rose and dropped, specially the further down the timeline we get (if I recall correctly he was most popular in the pre/post brawl days). In the pre Sm4sh days he lost steam due to skyward sword having just come out and people wanting to see the villain from that game make it. (I forget the long tongue eastwards name.) As far as ballot goes I can't attest but his strength was always in his ease of use. No hoops to jump, a classic Zelda villain, popular, if sakurai wanted him he wouldn't have a hard time with it. I wouldn't be surprised if he did well, he got a costume after all.

"Long Tongue Eastwood" is "Ghirahim".

The thing about your point about Skull Kid losing steam during the Smash 4 days is that that's exactly the time when people should have been voting for him.

I wanted Midna as a new Zelda rep. Unfortunately it didn't come to pass. Until BoTW I wasn't huge on Zelda but I did play WW and TP, with a bit of 2D ones but never fully beat them. I don't have the same nostalgia for Skull Kid like others do.

Speaking of a Zelda rep I'd think would be neat...Tetra. gimme a pirate moveset.

Oh yeah! Midna and Tetra! *adds them to the Zelda Want Dilution list*

 

[Noipoi]

Been hypnotically watching Zachmac's signature and - I'm sure it's been discussed before but - I noticed this fairly prominent castle in the background of the victory pose... do we have any clue what it is? Something from the story mode maybe?

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It's the fabled Smash Mansion, where the characters all stay when they're not beating the crap out of each other.
Inkling's room is a mess, K Rool keeps raiding DK's mini fridge, and Ridley has to sleep in the yard because his room's too small.

 

[Sigran101]

I want Steve on the basis that he could bring something unique to the roster no other character can - terraforming. As in, literally changing the stage layout, even just a little bit, to give him the advantage and his opponents a disadvantage. I can't think of any other [well-known and popular] character that could provide that sort of playstyle.

The "design doesn't fit Smash" argument, imo, is stupid. I mean, this is the same series where we could have metal Snake, raccoon Samus, giant Kirby, and Mr. Game & Watch with bunny ears on PAC-LAND.

We've passed the point of no return. This is not a valid argument.

I don't really have an opinion on Steve but I don't know how well that mechanic would work in smash. What would prevent him from knocking his opponent off and then building a wall on the edge of the stage?

 

[Luigi The President]

Hi guys. Just found this thread, hope this hasn't been bought up before.
Who are the "feasible" third parties that could appear in Ultimate? (I'm sure this is super subjective, just curious as to the general consensus)
From what I see, it's Geno, Banjo-Kazooie, Rayman, and maybe Crash Bandicoot (though I'd love to see Jack Frost).
What do you guys think?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

At least the guys of Smash Flash gave gim a shot...

Eventually Sakurai will make him become the biggest WTF fighter of all time

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

"Long Tongue Eastwood" is "Ghirahim".

no no no I was talking about Groose, the real villain of skyward sword (people were actually supporting him too)