Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Pakky]

both of these statements are dirty filthy lies and i ask, no, demand that you retract them immediately

I sorry...

 

[Kingslime304]

Imagine a kid that's a competitive FFA player going into 1v1 for the first time.

Spoiler

(I HAD THE PICTURE IN HAND, BUT THE WEBSITE TELLS ME THAT I CANT DO IT DUE TO SERVER PROBLEMS WTF?!!!)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

turns out the real matchmaking was inside us all along

I mean, isn't going out on the streets yelling "WHO WANTS TO GET THEIR ASS KICKED?" technically irl matchmaking?

 

[Pakky]

what you have said is a damn lie and you must be cut from existence

I am Sorry once more.

(Is hotter though :O)

Local man ruins everything.

 

[Deleted member]

I am Sorry once more.

(Is hotter though :O)

yeah but her feet are probably pretty ****ing dirty from being barefoot all the goddamn time, and nobody wants any piece of a person with gross stanky feet

 

[Kingslime304]

I mean, isn't going out on the streets yelling "WHO WANTS TO GET THEIR *** KICKED?" technically irl matchmaking?

For some, it's more like "HAHA, YOU JUST ACTIVATED MY UNVIABLE STAGE TRAP CARD!".

 

[staindgrey]

Nintendo doesn't want you have too much fun now. It's gotta be on their terms, and their terms say that you think you want 1v1s, but what you really want is FFA items on Paper Mario! After all, isn't Smash so much more enjoyable with jank ATs and cheap 1-hit-kill item zoning strats with complete strangers on the internet?

Why do FFAs affect a competitive ranking system? Better yet, why does this game have no actual matchmaking?

See, I know what you're getting at, but that's the thing: FFA with items on high on ****ing Big Blue is fun. When I want to actually do that. With other people who actually want to do that. The whole purpose of a goddamn matchmaking system is to find other people who want to play the game type you want to.

Nintendo's approach in Ultimate is the same as a parent who says the kids staying over can do whatever they want to do but they have to include Jimmy, the kid no one remembers inviting who just wants to down B with Kirby all match every match.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

For some, it's more like "HAHA, YOU JUST ACTIVATED MY UNVIABLE STAGE TRAP CARD!".

No, it's them announcing their desire to fight only to get their pants pulled down from behind

 

[RyuhoFox]

The fact that GSP seems to be what sets the flag for entering elite smash and that it isn't a consistent thing makes little sense to me. Why not make it based on win percentage to enter or something where you can't have it taken away from you because the average shifted? Why even let you fall out of it?

 

[Pakky]

yeah but her feet are probably pretty ****ing dirty from being barefoot all the goddamn time, and nobody wants any piece of a person with gross stanky feet

I do like a clean foot.

hmmmmmmm incentive


No.

 

[staindgrey]

Also has a ugly child

Aw. Be nice to Brady.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Nintendo doesn't want you have too much fun now. It's gotta be on their terms, and their terms say that you think you want 1v1s, but what you really want is FFA items on Paper Mario! After all, isn't Smash so much more enjoyable with jank ATs and cheap 1-hit-kill item zoning strats with complete strangers on the internet?

Why do FFAs affect a competitive ranking system? Better yet, why does this game have no actual matchmaking?

Because those things make the game fun and more level.

Speaking as someone who isn’t very good at Smash, no matter how much I practice, if i’m playing no items on a Final Destination stage, I loose. And it doesn’t feel like I even could have won. It feels like the attacks I throw out just don’t hit the other guy and then they get me into a combo I can’t get out of. AND I PLAY BAYONETTA! (And Sonic, Snake, Ryu, Cloud, and the Belmont’s) Like, for me, loosing in Smash isn’t fun, not because I’m loosing, but because it feels like there is no possible way to win. Like I’m pressing the buttons but my attacks just aren’t hitting you, but you’re pummeling me. I don’t even know.

But if I could get my playgroup to turn on items, it gives me an advantage. Mostly because I’m the only one there who actually knows how they work and the layouts of other stages. If you get me with items on a good stage, I’ll have you screaming “Snake! SNAKE! SNAAAAAAAAKE!”

 

[Deleted member]

See, I know what you're getting at, but that's the thing: FFA with items on high on ****ing Big Blue is fun. When I want to actually do that. With other people who actually want to do that. The whole purpose of a goddamn matchmaking system is to find other people who want to play the game type you want to.

Nintendo's approach in Ultimate is the same as a parent who says the kids staying over can do whatever they want to do but they have to include Jimmy, the kid no one remembers inviting who just wants to down B with Kirby all match every match.

Broke: Kirby down-b spam
Woke: Only using Falcon Punch to KO opponents

 

[Pakky]

Nintendo doesn't want you have too much fun now. It's gotta be on their terms, and their terms say that you think you want 1v1s, but what you really want is FFA items on Paper Mario! After all, isn't Smash so much more enjoyable with jank ATs and cheap 1-hit-kill item zoning strats with complete strangers on the internet?

Why do FFAs affect a competitive ranking system? Better yet, why does this game have no actual matchmaking?

Chasing as on Paper Mario is suffering.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Chasing as on Paper Mario is suffering.

Playing as on Palutena’s Temple and trying to commit a Smash Taunt while some jack*** is trying to hunt you down is even worse...fortunately a majority like to wait and brag about whomever is being talked about

 

[Deleted member]

Is FS Meter available online?

 

[Deleted member]

If the game had good online matchmaking it'd be perfect. Sakurai purposefully messed it up to send a message, to remind us that everyone has flaws, and that we should all accept ourselves while striving to be better.

That, or it was poorly thought out.

I sometimes feel this way when thinking about how Splatoon 2 saves work.

See, I know what you're getting at, but that's the thing: FFA with items on high on ****ing Big Blue is fun. When I want to actually do that. With other people who actually want to do that. The whole purpose of a goddamn matchmaking system is to find other people who want to play the game type you want to.

Nintendo's approach in Ultimate is the same as a parent who says the kids staying over can do whatever they want to do but they have to include Jimmy, the kid no one remembers inviting who just wants to down B with Kirby all match every match.

Oh totally, I'm with you: It can be very fun, but I would prefer to do it when I want to do it. If I want to do some 1v1s, let me do some 1v1s, and if I want some FFAs, let me FFA.

Honestly, there should have been pre-established rules for each game-set with their own ranking systems. Which is how 90% of online games work.

 

[MBRedboy31]

I kind of like the idea of the game giving players options for how they want to progress in the online; if you prefer either casual style or competitive style Smash, you can progress by doing what you find most fun. Of course, the main problem is that they’re mixed together when they really should be separate. (Do they even need *that* many options anyway, though? If you want obscure rulesets, making arenas is an option.)

 

[Deleted member]

They should have designated areas for 1 v 1s ,FFA's and Squad Strike.

 

[staindgrey]

turns out the real matchmaking was inside us all along

If only Nintendo used their stupid *** mobile app to let us Tinder swipe through potential matches.

"K. Rool items on... K. Rool items on... Cloud items on... Oo! A Sheik on Battlefield stages, no items!" Then you swipe right and wait for the sparks to fly.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The best/worst thing about this GSP stuff with bad ruleset matchmaking is that if you just brought back For Fun and For Glory, people would be significantly less vocal

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I prefer fighting with the nutty stuff switched on, mostly because I play characters who work best on stages with platforms and there's less chances of Final Destination

 

[Just a penguin]

The best/worst thing about this GSP stuff with bad ruleset matchmaking is that if you just brought back For Fun and For Glory, people would be significantly less vocal

But would all the Little Macs return, as their home was finally available again?

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

The more discussion I see about it the more I feel good about having no desire to touch this game's miserable excuse for online without friends (and even then the arenas have their share of issues too).

 

[Just a penguin]

The arena mode is OK though. Especially compared to the rest.

 

[Ultomato]

If only Nintendo used their stupid *** mobile app to let us Tinder swipe through potential matches.

"K. Rool items on... K. Rool items on... Cloud items on... Oo! A Sheik on Battlefield stages, no items!" Then you swipe right and wait for the sparks to fly.

This would kinda Just lock Belmont players out of the game... I like it!

 

[Just a penguin]

But would all the Little Macs return, as their home would finally be available again?

 

[Deleted member]

TBH I'm so glad that characters that were once jokes are viable now (except Little Mac)

Like in Sm4sh I used to laugh when I saw a Dedede online. Now, I shudder in fear of him and those goddamn spiky balls.

 

[staindgrey]

The best/worst thing about this GSP stuff with bad ruleset matchmaking is that if you just brought back For Fun and For Glory, people would be significantly less vocal

I was hoping they'd just fix "For Glory" to not be so pigeonholed into Omega stages only. But Ultimate's setup is so much ****ing worse.

What I don't understand, both for Quickplay and for Arenas, is why we can't switch our damn characters. In Quickplay, you aren't allowed to switch characters and fight the same opponent. In Arena, you aren't allowed to switch your character without losing your spot in line. And since there's no reliable communication method, you can't just say, "hold on, changing my character!". Someone just jumps into your spot OR starts the match before you can spectate.

It's like they want to punish you for wanting to use more than one character in a roster of 70+.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

But would all the Little Macs return, as their home was finally available again?

You're a bird, don't you come back after winter migration or whatever?

 

[Alternis]

Tbh, 99% of the time I'm getting 1v1's, when that's my ruleset. Like, the match may be laggy, and they may be playing with 2 stocks or something, but it'll a 1v1. Yet there's still complaints about getting matched into FFA's. Maybe where you live affects this?

Either way, my biggest beef with Online in Smash remains the bizarre inability to change your character in between every match. Seriously, this was a basic function of online in the last game. Why is it gone here?

Apparently 'd by staindgrey . He understands.

 

[LetterO]

TBH I'm so glad that characters that were once jokes are viable now (except Little Mac)

Like in Sm4sh I used to laugh when I saw a Dedede online. Now, I shudder in fear of him and those goddamn spiky balls.

The good Little Macs are good. Don't underestimate them.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

You're a bird, don't you come back after winter migration or whatever?

The penguin in his pfp is from Antartica. Its literally winter all year long there.

 

[Noipoi]

You're a bird, don't you come back after winter migration or whatever?

He's a penguin, don't be racist.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I complain about it but I actually enjoy this game's online more then Smash 4's. Most of the time I actually do get the matches I want with only small differences in rule sets and basically never with items. Generally I am also matched with people around my skill level far more frequently then I was with the Wii U version.

The occasional hazards off stage is extremely annoying when it happens though. I even ran into hazards on Electroplankton the other day.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The penguin in his pfp is from Antartica. Its literally winter all year long there.

Shut up MOOOOOOM I knew that. I know my job here is to be "Comedic ********" but y'all really expect me to not know about penguins? This ***** was ****ing RAISED on Pingu I tell ya

 

[MBRedboy31]

This would kinda Just lock Belmont players out of the game... I like it!

Reminds me of prepatch Mario Tennis Aces where Bowser Jr. players (Jr. was OP at the time) eventually found it nearly impossible to find matches since people could just decline them.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Reminds me of prepatch Mario Tennis Aces where Bowser Jr. players (Jr. was OP at the time) eventually found it nearly impossible to find matches since people could just decline them.

So THAT'S why he got nerfed to like bottom 5 when Ultimate launched!

 

[Iridium]

I was hoping they'd just fix "For Glory" to not be so pigeonholed into Omega stages only. But Ultimate's setup is so much ****ing worse.

What I don't understand, both for Quickplay and for Arenas, is why we can't switch our damn characters. In Quickplay, you aren't allowed to switch characters and fight the same opponent. In Arena, you aren't allowed to switch your character without losing your spot in line. And since there's no reliable communication method, you can't just say, "hold on, changing my character!". Someone just jumps into your spot OR starts the match before you can spectate.

It's like they want to punish you for wanting to use more than one character in a roster of 70+.

Yeah, but gambling my gold away was nice too.

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

Reminds me of prepatch Mario Tennis Aces where Bowser Jr. players (Jr. was OP at the time) eventually found it nearly impossible to find matches since people could just decline them.

I'd love this feature in the game tbh. That way I could reject all these FFAs and item matches.