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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Luigi The President

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Everything about the package said until this moment is: Couple songs, a new stage and a new character.

It was never stated that each package represents a certain franchise. You like the idea and is trying to say is logical, when is a open choice for them to make it.
It being an "open choice" does not make it any less illogical

If I am buying a Kirby pack, I am most likely a Kirby fan if I am shelling out money for a Kirby character. Why would I want Minecraft music and a Minecraft stage when I am a Kirby fan buying a Kirby pack?
 

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I'm gonna say this once, I know its Sakurai's game, I respect the man and all but this is the only time I'll say it where he screwed the pooch. As a K. Rool fan who is happy that he made the cut, I don't think its fair that we got him yet the Isaac fans got that slap in the face again. Why bring him back as an assist if he was absent in Sm4sh?

The least he could had done was given Isaac since he's been demanded as long as K. Rool and Ridley were. They deserved their golden boy.
My only guess is because the fans were upset that his assist trophy was gone in smash 4 so he decided to add it back since he thought the fans wanted the assist trophy back (even though we know they didn't)
 

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If I purchase a DLC character, I expect a stage and music that would tie in with that character's inclusion. It's not a good idea to jumble a bunch of unrelated content into one character package, especially if third-parties are involved.

That's all I'll say on that.
 
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tbh the whole "ATs can't be playable thing" is kinda stupid

I mean Chrom is a Mii Costume, Final Smash, and a playable character. There are no rules at this point and it's only a matter of time until an AT is playable.
 

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tbh the whole "ATs can't be playable thing" is kinda stupid

I mean Chrom is a Mii Costume, Final Smash, and a playable character. There are no rules at this point and it's only a matter of time until an AT is playable.
I feel them being DLC is a different story.

Sakurai implemented these characters knowing they would not be fighters and included them nonetheless. Why would he suddenly change his mind for one of the 5 DLC characters? Makes no sense to me.
 

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If I purchase a DLC character, I expect a stage and music that would tie in with that character's inclusion. It's not a good idea to jumble a bunch of unrelated content into one character package, especially if third-parties are involved.

That's all I'll say on that.
That's why Steve is inevitable
 
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I feel them being DLC is a different story.

Sakurai implemented these characters knowing they would not be fighters and included them nonetheless. Why would he suddenly change his mind for one of the 5 DLC characters? Makes no sense to me.
This is the same guy who said Ridley is too big and that he didn't want to do Adventure Mode again.

He has a habit of changing his mind.
 

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I also feel Shadow's timing was poor. Rex and Pyra were not AT's previously so I don't have much beef with that.
IMO this really comes down to two entirely different perspectives about something that doesn't really matter for Ultimate. I just want you to know, I totally get your perspective-I just disagree.
That Shadow deconfirmation part hurt the most
 

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Where would you say Geno has been throughout Smash? All I can remember is that he was really big in brawl but his support died off during smash 4 but came back.
Geno during pre-Brawl was in the lower end of the Top 10 (8-10). His support dropped a lot after Brawl's release, and he came up less than Bowser Jr.,, Toad, Paper Mario, and Waluigi. Rosalina surprisingly was behind all of those characters in terms of support as well, and she did not take off until she was confirmed as playable character in Super Mario 3D World in October 2013. Rosalina ended up being confirmed in December 2013.

His support really did not come back to its pre-Brawl strength until the Mii costume was unveiled for Smash 4 and Sakurai mentioned how Geno was a character he wanted to put in since Brawl.
 
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Which you really, really shouldn't, because Paper Mario is an entirely different series and as confirmed by Paper Jam an entirely different universe no matter how you look at it. (not trying to be hostile I just wanted to rebuff that point)

Your last paragraph is right, but I was talking about how good Yoshi gets it specifically.
I know, but the Mario 'canon' is a slippery slope since we can't even be sure that Mario & Luigi takes place in the same world either..I mean, in the Mario & Luigi games, Mario & Luigi live together (like in Paper Mario), but in Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Luigi has his own home.

Mario is Mario to me, though Dr. Mario is also Mario, so Paper Mario would still be a fun character inclusion.

Yeah, and I agree. The problem with Yoshi is that most characters in his games are from the main Mario series or appear too similar to Mario characters such as Kamek & Magikoopa, and Baby Bowser & Bowser Jr...only really leaving Poochy, who I feel would be kinda forced as a playable character..better as an assist.
 

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Hey guys I'm awake now so what'd I miss-OH ARCEUS THEY FINALLY RELEASED A DETECTIVE PIKACHU TRAILER.

Why...why are they all so hideous? Oh gosh Charizard what did they do to you? Pokemon are supposed to be lovable and charming, even the "scary ones". But these things are abominations. How could TPC let this happen?

Why is Mr.Mime of all things the least creepy of all the pokemon!?
 
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I know, but the Mario 'canon' is a slippery slope since we can't even be sure that Mario & Luigi takes place in the same world either..I mean, in the Mario & Luigi games, Mario & Luigi live together (like in Paper Mario), but in Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Luigi has his own home.

Mario is Mario to me, though Dr. Mario is also Mario, so Paper Mario would still be a fun character inclusion.

Yeah, and I agree. The problem with Yoshi is that most characters in his games are from the main Mario series or appear too similar to Mario characters such as Kamek & Magikoopa, and Baby Bowser & Bowser Jr...only really leaving Poochy, who I feel would be kinda forced as a playable character..better as an assist.
But even disregarding canon, they're clearly entirely different; in settings, characters, gameplay, basically everything. But I get what you're saying.

Poochy would be hype imo
 
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I feel them being DLC is a different story.

Sakurai implemented these characters knowing they would not be fighters and included them nonetheless. Why would he suddenly change his mind for one of the 5 DLC characters? Makes no sense to me.
If the characters really WERE selected late into the game, at some point in 2018, it could be possible that Sakurai just had the AT finished and wanted to have that in and then make them into a playable character later on. it didn't really make sense to have a Mewtwo trophy right before he's announced to be DLC either, does it? I'm not saying it's likely by any means, but the gist of it is that if Sakurai wants to make an AT playable, either in this wave or the (very likely) next, he's not gonna let an AT or a Mii costume stop him.
 

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I feel them being DLC is a different story.

Sakurai implemented these characters knowing they would not be fighters and included them nonetheless. Why would he suddenly change his mind for one of the 5 DLC characters? Makes no sense to me.
This is the same guy who said Ridley is too big and that he didn't want to do Adventure Mode again.

He has a habit of changing his mind.
Honestly I agree with both of you here. It really doesn't make sense for them to suddenly turn an AT character into a DLC character when they were decided on during development, unless the DLC was decided on after they already made the AT and they decided to just throw the finished one in. Which is pretty unlikely.

At the same time however, there's really nothing stopping them from doing AT promotions in the future if we get more DLC. With the big deal made around um, certain AT's this pre-release window I can totally see a Fighter Pass purely for AT promotions sometime in the future.

All depends on how long Nintendo plans to support this game with DLC.
 
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Hey guys I'm awake now so what'd I miss-OH ARCEUS THEY FINALLY RELEASED A DETECTIVE PIKACHU TRAILER.

Why...why are they all so hideous? Oh gosh Charizard what did they do to you? Pokemon are supposed to be lovable and charming, even the "scary ones". But these things are abominations. How could TPC let this happen?

Why is Mr.Mime of all things the least creepy of all the pokemon!?
Really? I thought they looked awesome. I thought they found a good mix between real and cartoonish. Sure, I didn't expect the fur on many of them, but I find their designs appealing regardless. Charizard looks badass, Greninja looks cool as hell, and Pikachu is freaking cute.

I hope to see my bois Torterra and Lucario appear.
 
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Honestly I wouldn't delude myself into thinking we're getting promoted ATs... ever. Not unless you become relevant again or have a clone to copy.

Little Mac got in with the release of Wii Punch Out and Dark Samus got in as an almost 1:1 clone of Samus. (It's kinda weird Shadow remained the way he does though)

They seem more than content to just reuse their previous assets and use those resources for new different characters that would be both more profitable and more popular.

I'm hopeful, but I'm not stupid.
 
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They seem more than content to just reuse their previous assets and use those resources for new different characters that would be more profitable and more popular.
Hey, that's Sakurai logic for you.
 
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I feel them being DLC is a different story.

Sakurai implemented these characters knowing they would not be fighters and included them nonetheless. Why would he suddenly change his mind for one of the 5 DLC characters? Makes no sense to me.
The only one I can see them making an exception for is Waluigi, since Nintendo is the one making the decisions and they know how popular he is now, and how much meme hype it would create. But even then, that would probably only happen if there's a season 2.
 

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Really? I thought they looked awesome. I thought they found a good mix between real and cartoonish. Sure, I didn't expect the fur on many of them, but I find their designs appealing regardless. Charizard looks badass, Greninja looks cool as hell, and Pikachu is freaking cute.

I hope to see my bois Torterra and Lucario appear.
Noivern was a prominent Pokemon in the game, so here's hoping one of my number one favorites shows up in the movie.
 

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Makes me really wonder about DQ then.
From what I get about this composer guy, I doubt he'd even allow two tracks in the game.
I've said this before but, from what I understand, it's only the orchestrated versions of the music he seems to have problems with. If all Smash used was the MIDI versions, then I don't think the man would care too much. At least, that's what it sounds like to me going by what I've heard about him and the whole situation surrounding the issue.

And if the man really proved to be a problem, they could just use music from "Dragon Quest Swords". I hear he didn't compose the music for that game, and from what I can tell, it sounds identical to DQ's usual style. The problem could easily be solved by just pulling music from that game and being done with it. Sure, it wouldn't be the most iconic tracks from the series, but it'd get the job done.
 
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