Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Potato_]

Yeaaaah...I'm not so sure about that.

Isaac is a popular pick to super hardcore fans, yes, but outside the Smash speculation bubble? Probably not that big of a deal, I'm afraid. Plus, Sakurai does not perceive ATs nearly as negatively as we do. To him, it's a way of saying "I couldn't make them playable, but here they are as an assist! You can enjoy seeing them in the game and have them help you!" It's a way of throwing in more content for fans to enjoy. Sadly, though, nobody in the core fandom takes it that way. Some even go so far as to take it as a personal slight.

I don't think ANYONE sees it the same as Sakurai.

There's a reason the AT sections of directs are always looked at more as character deconfirmation sections than anything else. The problem is there's a lot of characters that feel like they're right on the cusp of being playable but just don't make the final leap that get turned into AT's, and when you know that they're so damn close it can be disheartening to see them as AT's.

For most people when you see AT's like Guile or the Moon, they're happy because they're characters they don't ever expect to be playable but still want to see in the game. When it comes to the characters I've mentioned before (Shadow, Skull Kid, Isaac, etc) there's a chance for them to be playable so it does hurt slightly when they get turned into an item.

At the very least for Isaac, his AT actually does more now instead of just shooting hands.

 

[FreeFox]

Don't matter. Lemme give you my perspective;

With a modded Geno I will not...
-have the Sakurai magic. The taunts, the bells and whistles like a victory screen or a classic mode route or a quality splash screen.
-be able to play him at tournaments
-be able to play him online
-know that our voices were heard-if I have to play a modded Geno it just confirms to me he'll never actually be in.

That's how I feel.

I totally agree. Being playable in an official smash game is the biggest of all honors. Modding will never get to the real thing. SE should sell Geno´s and Mallow´s rights back to Nintendo. They are a waste in SE hands.

With this I am not saying that being assist trophy or spirit is the worst. Getting some acknowledgement is always better than having a game act like your character doesnt exist.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Usually when there is a fake leak, anything involving that leak is immediately thrown out when it gets deconfirmed. But the Grinch being fake raises so many more questions. There is so much involved in this and we probably will never know what happened, or why it did, or how it did, or who was even behind it.

 

[Deleted member]

I will try to get better with a small game:

Sakurai allows you to pick any character you want, but it needs to come from an awful game.
Who would you choose?

I would pick either Bubsy or the guy from Drake of the 99 Dragons.

 

[T3Z3R1]

I want the Grinch leaker to come forward so bad. I need this person to tell us how they did it.
I have a lot of questions, but the only thing I really want to know is why? Why go through this much effort?
Did they intend to put the community in disarray? How much of it was coincidence?

I bet that whose made the grinch leak must be laughing at smash community for having their hope destroyed so quickly when they saw incienroar in the final smash direct. Dude is ****ing genius that went through few mental loops to make the grinch leaks to make smash community happy, and even dividing them and insider. They turned us against every insider who called the leak fake because we thought that it was real. Well played, grinch leaker, you managed to do the worse thing: making the smash community very divided and making some of insiders very untrustable.

I still think that it was MTP, that dude is troll and his comments on grinch leak strongly implies that it was him as mastermind behind the grinch leak.

 

[New_Dumal]

I'd love to see DLC character actually be: Geno, Isaac, Mach Rider, Chorus Kids and Banjo.
I know it's almost impossible (I don't think AT are completely ruled out btw), but imagine what a mastermind it would be.
Completely and uttermost trolling. Fantastic. I'd be a fan.

 

[Raxxel]

I've mentioned it before, but I'm almost confident MarioTehPlumber did or was at least involved with the Grinch leak. He's crazy, rich, and hates this community enough to go through the amount of trouble one would have to go through to make a leak of this caliber just to see people suffer.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Yea seriously. And from what I get it's a single build worldwide so the music can't vary in different territories.
Music is the key here for DQ's inclusion.

Music is such a thing in general for me with the Square Rep. How did they get five musical songs out of this rep but meanwhile Cloud's rotting away with two songs.

What is the Kingdom Hearts music situation? I'm not familiar with any sort of credits there beyond Utada Hikaru. Does the music share any composers with FF7?

 

[Deleted member]

I've mentioned it before, but I'm almost confident MarioTehPlumber did or was at least involved with the Grinch leak. He's crazy, rich, and hates this community enough to go through the amount of trouble one would have to go through to make a leak of this caliber just to see people suffer.

So, he’s like Porky Minch?

 

[Luigi The President]

Music is such a thing in general for me with the Square Rep. How did they get five musical songs out of this rep but meanwhile Cloud's rotting away with two songs.

What is the Kingdom Hearts music situation? I'm not familiar with any sort of credits there beyond Utada Hikaru. Does the music share any composers with FF7?

Gotta ask, was characters having five tracks confirmed?

 

[Deleted member]

I'm ngl I see this for like literally every character this cycle. Apparently every character is only requested in a bubble now which just. Isn't true lol. By this logic Ridley and K. Rool are the same deal.

Sakurai's team seems very aware of the fans wants this games so I'm absolutely standing by them saving Isaac for so long as a stupid decision. Sakurai can see it however he wants; there's a ton of people making these videos and these AT's. It just confounds me nobody more "hip" spoke up sooner.


And most people have nowhere NEAR the impact the Grinch Leak did.

See, the problem with this is assuming we're some big huge community that has say in what does and doesn't happen, that we're all this big deal to Smash, that Nintendo needs to pay attention to us because our opinions and taste are the most important.

We aren't. In the grand scheme of things, this community is a tiny blip compared to the entire install base that buys Smash. I feel for GS fans, I really do, but to treat this as a "slap to the fans" is being a tad over dramatic IMO and just wanting to find a reason to be upset. At the very least he's in the game in some form, yes? It's better than nothing.

 

[Raxxel]

So, he’s like Porky Minch?

Yes. Exactly. He's that, and basically the Joker of the Smash community. Crazy, yet smart.

 

[Tako Tuesday]

I still want a toggle for Pokeball Pokemon.

Also wish there was Ultra Beasts!

Would've been cool if for Ultra Beasts they added a Beast Ball

What the ****

 

[Luigi The President]

See, the problem with this is assuming we're some big huge community that has say in what does and doesn't happen, that we're all this big deal to Smash, that Nintendo needs to pay attention to us because are opinions are the most important.

We aren't. In the grand scheme of things, this community is a tiny blip compared to the entire install base that buys Smash. I feel for GS fans, I really do, but to treat this as a "slap to the fans" is being a tad over dramatic IMO and just wanting to find a reason to be upset. At the very least he's in the game in some form, yes? It's better than nothing.

It /IS/ better than nothing but the timing was absurd. I'm not trying to make any point besides that.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I still think that it was MTP, that dude is troll and his comments on grinch leak strongly implies that it was him as mastermind behind the grinch leak.

But his troll status is what makes me not think it was him. He hasn't really provided proof as far as i know

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Gotta ask, was characters having five tracks confirmed?

I believe Sakurai stated five tracks yes. A stage, five music tracks, and the character themselves. At least that's what I remember from the English Direct.

 

[New_Dumal]

Basic reminder that we have no confirmation that the stage and songs must be from the same franchise of the new character.
We had that way with Smash4 DLC, I know, but it was not confirmed to be like that again.

 

[TheCJBrine]

To be fair, if the guy who made the Grinch Leak isn't actually named Eric Bricard nor any of his friends who may have made it or helped, coming out about making it would increase his/their chances of facing lawsuits and such.

Also, I only remember the DLC packs having "multiple music tracks," but the DQ situation isn't just that the composer is stubborn and greedy, it's his extremely controversial political views.

 

[Luigi The President]

Basic reminder that we have no confirmation that the stage and songs must be from the same franchise of the new character.
We had that way with Smash4 DLC, I know, but it was not confirmed to be like that again.

...then where the hell else would it be from???

 

[Potato_]

Would've been cool if for Ultra Beasts they added a Beast Ball

What the ****

I still don't understand what this thing is. Didn't it just show up on the site after the last direct? Is there even any gameplay of it?

 

[Luigi The President]

I still don't understand what this thing is. Didn't it just show up on the site after the last direct? Is there even any gameplay of it?

This is pretty much just the Soccer Ball from previous games no?

 

[Raxxel]

But his troll status is what makes me not think it was him. He hasn't really provided proof as far as i know

He dropped a very direct hint that he made Chaddondorf, and hinted while talking about the leak, the day before the Grinch leak came out, that things were about to get crazy. I'm pretty sure it's him.

 

[T3Z3R1]

But his troll status is what makes me not think it was him. He hasn't really provided proof as far as i know

Have you seen the photo in one of his video about grinch leak where MTP saw the leak in some private discord? Yeah, that's one what got me thinking about MTP being mastermind for grinch leak.

 

[Deleted member]

Would've been cool if for Ultra Beasts they added a Beast Ball

What the ****

Home Run Derby representation is always a plus.

 

[beans]

But his troll status is what makes me not think it was him. He hasn't really provided proof as far as i know

Oh yeah, lets see him confirm involvement in a accident that probaly blacklisted a man from the industry.
That could be pursued to court. Cant wait.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

I believe Sakurai stated five tracks yes. A stage, five music tracks, and the character themselves. At least that's what I remember from the English Direct.

Actually, he only said 'multiple music tracks.' No specific confirmation on number, likely because it varies between characters.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

I'm ngl I see this for like literally every character this cycle. Apparently every character is only requested in a bubble now which just. Isn't true lol. By this logic Ridley and K. Rool are the same deal.

Sakurai's team seems very aware of the fans wants this games so I'm absolutely standing by them saving Isaac for so long as a stupid decision. Sakurai can see it however he wants; there's a ton of people making these videos and these AT's. It just confounds me nobody more "hip" spoke up sooner.


And most people have nowhere NEAR the impact the Grinch Leak did.

Ridley and K. Rool are the main antagonists of their respective series which are still alive. Golden Sun has been dead for a long time. I'm sure Isaac is popular, but no where near the level of those two.

 

[Paperchampion23]

He dropped a very direct hint that he made Chaddondorf, and hinted while talking about the leak, the day before the Grinch leak came out, that things were about to get crazy. I'm pretty sure it's him.

What I don't get is how that person had the connections or the artistic capability to pull off that stunt. Absolutely ridiculous, but you know what? I'm not even shocked he spent an ungodly amount of time doing it or working with someone to do it.

 

[ClaTheBae]

See, the problem with this is assuming we're some big huge community that has say in what does and doesn't happen, that we're all this big deal to Smash, that Nintendo needs to pay attention to us because our opinions ad taste are the most important.

We aren't. In the grand scheme of things, this community is a tiny blip compared to the entire install base that buys Smash. I feel for GS fans, I really do, but to treat this as a "slap to the fans" is being a tad over dramatic IMO and just wanting to find a reason to be upset. At the very least he's in the game in some form, yes? It's better than nothing.

I understand where you're coming from, and I'm not upset that characters were deconfirmed, I'm only criticizing the way it was revealed. Doing it late into the hype cycle allowed fans to get their hopes up, and there's no way that Nintendo or Sakurai didn't know what we wanted or how passionate we were about it. I don't care who is or isn't in, but the timing of deconfirmations makes very little sense to me.

 

[Cosmic77]

Basic reminder that we have no confirmation that the stage and songs must be from the same franchise of the new character.
We had that way with Smash4 DLC, I know, but it was not confirmed to be like that again.

That would feel really misleading if that ends up being the case for one of these DLC packages.

"Here's Sora! Enjoy playing with him on the new stage "Alola League" while listening to your favorite tracks from Splatoon 2!

 

[Luigi The President]

Ridley and K. Rool are the main antagonists of their respective series which are still alive. Golden Sun has been dead for a long time. I'm sure Isaac is popular, but no where near the level of those two.

K. Rool /WAS/ the main antagonist. Hadn't appeared since 2008.
I'm trying to get at the proximity within the SMASH fandom. Which Isaac is pretty close to their level.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Actually, he only said 'multiple music tracks.' No specific confirmation on number, likely because it varies between characters.

Interesting. I don't know where the hell I got the number five then.

 

[Potato_]

This is pretty much just the Soccer Ball from previous games no?

If it is, they sure described it in the most confusing way possible.

 

[Raxxel]

Oh yeah, lets see him confirm involvement in a accident that probaly blacklisted a man from the industry.
That could be pursued to court. Cant wait.

Does anyone know what happened to Eric, speaking of? I seriously feel bad for that man, he got royally ****ed over by some jackass wanting to cause some controversy.

 

[New_Dumal]

...then where the hell else would it be from???

If the new stage and songs must be from the same franchise of the newcomer, first-party are almost out of the question.
I can see Shantae stage and songs, Minecraft stage and songs, No More Heroes songs, a lot of music coming without an actual character. In Smash4 we had Ice Climbers music somewhere, right ?

 

[Luigi The President]

Actually, he only said 'multiple music tracks.' No specific confirmation on number, likely because it varies between characters.

Makes me really wonder about DQ then.
From what I get about this composer guy, I doubt he'd even allow two tracks in the game.

 

[lightdrago]

Didn't some post on 4chan claim to be the Grinch leaker after the direct and hinted that it was MarioTehPlumber who did it? I know the text involved dropping the letters "M," "T," and "P."

Of course, they could be lying, which is a strong possibility, considering it's 4chan.

 

[Deleted member]

It /IS/ better than nothing but the timing was absurd. I'm not trying to make any point besides that.

The thing is though, is no matter what timing it was, people would have still been upset. Sakurai choosing not to show something only gets hopes up if you let it. He was not obligated to show something earlier because of a fake leak or people theorizing.

Honestly, think about how the devs must feel about some of these ATs: They make something that takes a lot of time and effort, and all they're met with is anger and sadness. That kinda sucks.

 

[T3Z3R1]

Does anyone know what happened to Eric, speaking of? I seriously feel bad for that man, he got royally ****ed over by some ******* wanting to cause some controversy.

Yeah, I feel sorry for him to get ****ed over the fake leak that was posted by troll to internet. I'm not happy with how someone's willing to ruin the person's career for fun of posting the fake leak.

 

[Luigi The President]

If the new stage and songs must be from the same franchise of the newcomer, first-party are almost out of the question.
I can see Shantae stage and songs, Minecraft stage and songs, No More Heroes songs, a lot of music coming without an actual character. In Smash4 we had Ice Climbers music somewhere, right ?

There is absolutely no logical reason a character like Steve would come with anything but a Minecraft stage and music. It's not deconfirmed but incredibly unlikely.