Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[xAquaCrystal]

How many people actually want Geno because they played SMRPG and actually like the char, vs those just bandwagonning? I haven't played it but a one off appearance (and a cameo in M&L SS) isn't exactly the strongest ground for a candidate to be on (despite Sakurai wanting to include the char).

Even though idc for geno and have never played the game he was in. It would just be nice to see the fans are happy since they been asking for him for years...

 

[PeridotGX]

Why would we get the final direct a little under two months from release date? If we get anything it's gonna be a Robin-style reveal.

 

[Heracr055]

My previous guess was that we'd get news either in the last week of Sept or first week of Oct. We still have Wed for any news so don't be discouraged yet.
As for why people anticipate a Direct so "soon" after the Isabelle one...it's just a gut feeling in my case, even though I don't usually delve into the prediction craze.

 

[FalconFire93]

Why would we get the final direct a little under two months from release date? If we get anything it's gonna be a Robin-style reveal.

That’s exactly what I’m expecting at this point.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Why would we get the final direct a little under two months from release date? If we get anything it's gonna be a Robin-style reveal.

Who said anything about it being the final direct?

 

[Fenriraga]

Updated playlist, missing new tag and the fact that NOA usually posts something to Twitter around this time.

I mean, I know about the playlist and tag, but why today exactly? I mean-

Cause today is a new day with new hopes that will be crushed by a new hammer

Ah, that explains it.

 

[CosmicQuark]

How many people actually want Geno because they played SMRPG and actually like the char, vs those just bandwagonning? I haven't played it but a one off appearance (and a cameo in M&L SS) isn't exactly the strongest ground for a candidate to be on (despite Sakurai wanting to include the char).

When I began this speculation cycle, I didn't understand it either--and only learned about Geno because of Smash speculation. That being said, after doing the research, and looking into how fans view the characters, it makes sense if this game is geared towards the fans, as initial impressions seem to be as we've had some that have been wanted since Melee make it in. It would be awesome to see the Fab 4 (Ridley, King K Rool, Geno, Banjo) make it in for the Ultimate Smash game for fans.

 

[RandomAce]

Who said anything about it being the final direct?

Or any new Smash info in general.

We can get something for both October and November. It seems that now is the ripe time to show some info about the mystery mode “Spirits”, Online, some other fighters, etc.

And maybe we’ll get a fighter reveal and a new stage in November.

It would be awesome to see the Fab 4 (Ridley, King K Rool, Geno, Isaac) make it in for the Ultimate Smash game for fans.

Inb4 if you want to make an obligatory group, then these are the top 4. Banjo is still up there though, but it seems that these are the most popular fan want characters.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Reminded of a Walking with Dinosaurs quote:

"The rains are late, and now the real test of survival begins."

No real reason, just something that came to mind.

Best thing to do for the time being is do life and stuff until an announcement happens.

I imagine a trailer will only be given a day's notice while a direct would be given longer.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Splitting reveals between October and November sounds disjointed. Drop the last major stuff this month and do a TestSmash next month to keep people satiated until launch.

 

[MBRedboy31]

That was a translation error.
Pretty sure the Miis still have 3 customs for each special
It would be stupid for them not to, assuming they are basically the custom fighter.

If they do have only 3 sets total, that isn’t necessarily dumb, it’d theoretically allow them to have more focused and more useful movesets. Otherwise, each of the customs has to be more or less middle of the road, which resulted in many of the moves being outright inferior to the moves that other characters have that they’re based on (the exceptions being a couple of Brawler’s up specials that have tons of KO power.) It’d also allow the Miis to be overall better designed and have custom moves that inherently complement each other, while individual specials couldn’t be designed to work together in that way.

Edit: Or, they theoretically might do that but have the moves not complement each other... it really does depend on the implementation. If they don’t make the moves work together, then individual move options would be better, unless that prevents them from being playable With Anyone again (it’s kinda unclear based on conflicting evidence.)

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Splitting reveals between October and November sounds disjointed. Drop the last major stuff this month and do a TestSmash next month to keep people satiated until launch.

Then the TestSmash will get datamined

 

[FalconFire93]

How many people actually want Geno because they played SMRPG and actually like the char, vs those just bandwagonning? I haven't played it but a one off appearance (and a cameo in M&L SS) isn't exactly the strongest ground for a candidate to be on (despite Sakurai wanting to include the char).

I played the game and wanted him to make another appearance for years, plus I really like his design, abilities, and I liked his overall personality in the game (SMRPG).

 

[AugustusB]

Happy 5300 pages!

What? We deserve good news!

 

[Fenriraga]

How many people actually want Geno because they played SMRPG and actually like the char, vs those just bandwagonning? I haven't played it but a one off appearance (and a cameo in M&L SS) isn't exactly the strongest ground for a candidate to be on (despite Sakurai wanting to include the char).

*Raises Hand*

And the fact that so many people genuinely support him regardless should speak volumes to the impact he left on those who played it. He's still a Mario character, and that alone carries more weight in regards to popularity than some people here seem to want to believe.

I sincerely doubt Sakurai gives a damn about how many times a character may or may not have appeared. If that was true, characters like and would be gone by now. He's popular, Sakurai himself is fond of him, and he believes he has serious move potential. I think that's more than enough, especially since we already got Square's big daddy out of the way.

Still a very real chance he won't make it, of course. But bandwagoning wouldn't exist if the character didn't have a legitimate following to begin with.

 

[Curious Villager]

And that could easily happen, but keep in mind that when Litten and Steenee evolved, neither had any complex animations in the intro. Replacing them wasn't exactly hard.

With this new intro, Rowlet and Torracat have special scenes that can't work without major edits or cutting the scene out entirely. Dartix can't fit in Ash's backpack (I assume), and the scene that features Torracat fighting Incineroar needs a complete overhaul in order to accommodate the huge difference in size and stature between the evolutions.

Again, an edit could very well happen, but the amount of effort put into animating this thing makes me think it'll be a while before we see someone evolve.

I mean, they made brand new animations when Mallow's Bounsweet evolved into Steenee, Kiawe got Alolan Marowak and Lillie got Alolan Vulpix. If any of Ash's Pokemon are set to evolve, I'm pretty sure they already prepared new or adjusted scenes to go along with it.

 

[lightdrago]

Then the TestSmash will get datamined

That’s why they reveal everything beforehand. The roster won’t leak because everything will be revealed, which Sakurai stated he would do.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Or any new Smash info in general.

We can get something for both October and November. It seems that now is the ripe time to show some info about the mystery mode “Spirits”, Online, some other fighters, etc.

And maybe we’ll get a fighter reveal and a new stage in November.

Inb4 if you want to make an obligatory group, then these are the top 4. Banjo is still up there though, but it seems that these are the most popular fan want characters.

Indeed, which is why I don't lean heavily on it being an "obligatory group", I framed it in terms of my wants. At least looking at it as objectively as I can, those tend to be the ones from the Melee days most wanted--Isaac, from what I know, has been wanted since Brawl. Isaac's still on my optimistic predictions, though, as he's the best choice for a first party character from a new series.

 

[RandomAce]

Splitting reveals between October and November sounds disjointed. Drop the last major stuff this month and do a TestSmash next month to keep people satiated until launch.

It depends on how many newcomers we have left. If the rumors are true and all we get are:

Incineroar
Geno
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)

Then yeah, they’ll fit in a single direct. However if we get more, like:

Incineroar/Gen 7 Pokemon
Elma
Geno
Isaac
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)
Felix? (E)

Then they might not fit all of those reveals in a single direct and end up leaving at least 1 and an echo as a seperate reveal. Unless said direct is going to be a blowout and just show everyone left.

It depends on how many newcomers we have left which we simply don’t know.

 

[Cosmic77]

I mean, they made brand new animations when Mallow's Bounsweet evolved into Steenee, Kiawe got Alolan Marowak and Lillie got Alolan Vulpix. If any of Ash's Pokemon are set to evolve, I'm pretty sure they already prepared a new or adjusted scenes to go along with it.

Yes, but those were much easier to implement since none of those Pokemon got a huge focus in that opening.

With this opening, we have not one, but multiple scenes depicting Ash and his Pokemon, some of which are unique and can't be fixed with a simple "cut out old Pokemon, insert new Pokemon". It's not impossible, but I'd applaud the effort the team took to animate multiple scenes with Torracat if it was just gonna evolve in the next few episodes.

 

[Electrick_EEL]

Just woke up what did I miss?

 

[praline]

It depends on how many newcomers we have left. If the rumors are true and all we get are:

Incineroar
Geno
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)

Then yeah, they’ll fit in a single direct. However if we get more, like:

Incineroar/Gen 7 Pokemon
Elma
Geno
Isaac
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)
Felix? (E)

Then they might not fit all of those reveals in a single direct and end up leaving at least 1 and an echo as a seperate reveal. Unless said direct is going to be a blowout and just show everyone left.

It depends on how many newcomers we have left which we simply don’t know.

If you expect more than 4 more characters you’re in for a bad time

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Just woke up what did I miss?

Just a fake magazine leak.
That's all

 

[xAquaCrystal]

It depends on how many newcomers we have left. If the rumors are true and all we get are:

Incineroar
Geno
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)

Then yeah, they’ll fit in a single direct. However if we get more, like:

Incineroar/Gen 7 Pokemon
Elma
Geno
Isaac
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)
Felix? (E)

Then they might not fit all of those reveals in a single direct and end up leaving at least 1 and an echo as a seperate reveal. Unless said direct is going to be a blowout and just show everyone left.

It depends on how many newcomers we have left which we simply don’t know.

Probably the most we will get is 4-5 characters. If it’s 4 then 2 newcomers and echos and if 5 then 2 newcomers still and 3 echos. I’m good with neither one as long as I get shadow >.> and new info on the story mode.

 

[Curious Villager]

Yes, but those were much easier to implement since none of those Pokemon got a huge focus in that opening.

With this opening, we have not one, but multiple scenes depicting Ash and his Pokemon, some of which are unique and can't be fixed with a simple "cut out old Pokemon, insert new Pokemon". It's not impossible, but I'd applaud the effort the team took to animate multiple scenes with Torracat if it was just gonna evolve in the next few episodes.

From what I've seen of the intro, the only complex looking part with Torracat is the part where It's fighting Incineroar. Considering the new animation methods they've been using, adjusting that should be fairly doable. Though they'll most likely keep his Torracat for a while so it doesn't need to be replaced a few episodes in. The only one I can see needing a bit more work is Rowlet, though I'm not expecting him to evolve anytime soon since he's pretty much Piplup 4.0.

That said, if Incineroar is set to be revealed soon, I'm not expecting the anime to quickly evolve Ash's Torracat to coincide with it. Though if he does get revealed next week at the Incineroar focused episode that would still be quite a coincidence...

 

[domriver]

All right LOL so no announcement sigh. Maybe later on or tomorrow. LOL vicious cycle we are all in xD

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

It depends on how many newcomers we have left. If the rumors are true and all we get are:

Incineroar
Geno
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)

Then yeah, they’ll fit in a single direct. However if we get more, like:

Incineroar/Gen 7 Pokemon
Elma
Geno
Isaac
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)
Felix? (E)

Then they might not fit all of those reveals in a single direct and end up leaving at least 1 and an echo as a seperate reveal. Unless said direct is going to be a blowout and just show everyone left.

It depends on how many newcomers we have left which we simply don’t know.

Even if it's more than a Direct, i think 7 is a bit much. I'd stick with 5 max.



So... to get some discussions started:
what is a character that's not being talked about that much in speculation, you think has a pretty good chance of making it in?

 

[Flyboy]

Geno isn't even on my wants list but he's been heavily requested since the 64-Melee speculation period. The other day I tried to go to the Wayback Machine to find the old forum I used to be on around that time but most of the links were broken, including the one to the Smash forum. Nice nostalgia hit, though. I mostly just want him in for the fans.

That said, I feel like his legend has been pushed by those old school fans and now a lot of newer fans say him just to have Cool Points. However, I don't think there's anything wrong with that! I WISH my most requested characters or beloved obscure games had followings like that. A cult following isn't a bad thing, nor is it reason to brush off a character's popularity.

It helps that Super Mario RPG was a really good game and Geno is a neat character who would be fun to play.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

Before we talk about Smash again, I'd like to detail all the stuff so far that is known about Pokemon Gen 8.

• Back in September 2018, last month, Game Freak hired for a "Planner" and "Motion Designer." Duties for those positions included “planning and creating specifications for a new RPG (consumer game) development project”, whilst applicants must've needed “experience with creating highly strategic game systems”. If this doesn't reinforce the fact this game isn't gonna be a Let's Go case and have a deep, intricate battle system, I don't know what will.
• Game Freak themselves assured that Gen 8 won't be a Let's Go scenario.
• From a Famitsu interview with Ishihara: "It is not an entry game, but a game that we want longtime fans of the Pokemon series to look forward to." So nowhere near close to the Pokemon game we're getting this year. "The game will give a good understanding of what an evolved Pokemon game looks like after it has continued to succeed the traditions of Game Freak. We want to make Pokemon fans say 'this is what I've been waiting for' by delivering a brand-new product packed with gameplay elements and plenty of new Pokemon to encounter."
• I can't remember the direct source, but I could've sworn from multiple people that have said that Pokemon Gen 8 has been in the works before the Switch itself was announced back in October 2016.
• Usual release date will be during the Holidays, so most likely November 2019.

Say what you will about Game Freak, but I don't think Ishihara himself would lie about all of this, ESPECIALLY when this has been in the works near the end of Breath of the Wild's development and mid-development of Mario Odyssey for about 3 years, at this rate. They've practically been betting every stake in their company on these games, and they've paid off in spades, so Pokemon Gen 8 I feel will follow in line with the two previously mentioned.

>Plenty of new pokemon

introduces 70ish new pokemon.... Again

 

[cothero]

It depends on how many newcomers we have left. If the rumors are true and all we get are:

Incineroar
Geno
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)

Then yeah, they’ll fit in a single direct. However if we get more, like:

Incineroar/Gen 7 Pokemon
Elma
Geno
Isaac
Ken (E)
Shadow (E)
Felix? (E)

Then they might not fit all of those reveals in a single direct and end up leaving at least 1 and an echo as a seperate reveal. Unless said direct is going to be a blowout and just show everyone left.

It depends on how many newcomers we have left which we simply don’t know.

Shadow? Did any credible leaker said he's in?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Happy 5300 pages!

What? We deserve good news!

Here's some more: Okami just won its own unique Guinness world record: Most Critically Acclaimed Video Game Starring An Animal Character.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/10/okami_has_just_earned_its_second_guinness_world_record

That'll definitely increase support for her.

 

[Door Key Pig]

Probably the most we will get is 4-5 characters. If it’s 4 then 2 newcomers and echos and if 5 then 2 newcomers still and 3 echos. I’m good with neither one as long as I get shadow >.> and new info on the story mode.

Why just two newcomers?

 

[SAMation]

All right LOL so no announcement sigh. Maybe later on or tomorrow. LOL vicious cycle we are all in xD

Direct announcement was on a Tuesday last time anyways though.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's some more: Okami just won its own unique Guinness world record: Most Critically Acclaimed Video Game Starring An Animal Character.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/10/okami_has_just_earned_its_second_guinness_world_record

That'll definitely increase support for her.

That’s...oddly specific...

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Shadow? Did any credible leaker said he's in?

I think it's a misunderstanding...
Ngamethecube has some scary accurate predictions, like Isabelle being announced in the September Direct alongside an Animal Crossing Switch announcement. Though, I think they are just that: Predictions. Anyways, he's predicting Shadow

Why just two newcomers?

It feels like the right amount imo. I doubt they would have 3 or more Newcomers to show off in 2 months

Here's some more: Okami just won its own unique Guinness world record: Most Critically Acclaimed Video Game Starring An Animal Character.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/10/okami_has_just_earned_its_second_guinness_world_record

That'll definitely increase support for her.

Kind of shame that this game's biggest claim to fame, is that it's the current record holder for "least commercially successful winner of a Game of The Year award".

 

[Flyboy]

Shadow? Did any credible leaker said he's in?

There's no such thing as a credible leaker.

Except Ken Guy. We love you Ken Guy.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Y’all getting thirsty for some Smash info

 

[amazonevan19]

Ok they just tweeted about FE heroes. Not happening today folks.

Oh well, tomorrow...please

 

[Untouch]

anddd Nintendo has posted something on twitter.... for... FEH.
That's all folks, see you tomorrow for the same thing!

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

I can only imagine the absolute battlegrounds this place would be if we never got the Ken leak.