Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Flyboy]

Hyrule Warriors Impa would be incredibly sick in Smash and I'm no longer cool just accepting her as a Sheik echo unless I have to.

 

[Aurane]

that was easier to predict than the sun going down today

No **** Sherlock. I was being sarcastic.

 

[ganondorf_22]

Let’s talk about other games we’re excited about. Did you hear Duck, Duck, Goose is coming to the Switch? Finally, I can play that game on the go!

(Also, Sans [possibly with Papyrus and the little white dog] would make a good assist trophy.)

 

[Gyrom8]

gonna get flamed for this but I don't think Skull Kid is the most deserving Zelda villain, let alone character, to make it in smash. I won't be incredibly salty if he makes it but yeah that's just my opinion.

I agree that in the context of his series, he isn't that big a deal and perhaps not 'deserving' (but then no fictional character technically deserves anything). However, there aren't that many other choices for Zelda villains anyway. Vaati gets some love as he's one of the only returning villains other than Ganon, but he hasn't appeared in anything forever and the Capcom Zelda games have largely been ignored in subsequent titles (RIP Onox and Veran too). Who else do we have? Bellum is completely forgettable, not popular and would be difficult to make work. Malladus is just a knock-off Ganon. Ghirahim is already deconfirmed. Dark Link works just fine as a costume. The only villain that 'deserves' it is possibly pig Ganon, but I doubt he'll be happening as he's technically already part of Dorf's final smash.

I think when people want Skull Kid it's more than just him as a villain, but the inclusion of the highly iconic mask. Personally, I just really dig his design. I think he would be a good next rep as Zelda could do with a non-clone newcomer. Impa is certainly more important in the series, but realistically she's going to be a Sheik echo.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

No **** Sherlock. I was being sarcastic.

Shoulda used a icon for that.

 

[Aurane]

Shoulda used a icon for that.

I didn't think I would need to. Sorry. *shrug*

 

[Louisacommie]

There are people on this forum whose parents had not even met yet, the last time zelda got a unique newcomer

 

[amazonevan19]

I personally am not interested in undertale at all, and the absolutely cancerous fanbase doesn't help matters either. That being said, I won't insta judge you if you like it, as I am well aware of and have brushed up against cancerous segments of various fanbases, especially as a Sonic fan But any Undertale character for smash? Nahhhhhh. No. Seeing as undertale very recently got onto the switch, I don't think it'd happen until smash 6. I'd be fine with an assist trophy reference though if Sakurai really wants to.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

If you want my cynical, stubborn opinion I think people are going way overboard with who should and shouldn't be in.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I personally am not interested in undertale at all, and the absolutely cancerous fanbase doesn't help matters either. That being said, I won't insta judge you if you like it, as I am well aware of and have brushed up against cancerous segments of various fanbases, especially as a Sonic fan But any Undertale character for smash? Nahhhhhh. No. Seeing as undertale very recently got onto the switch, I don't think it'd happen until smash 6. I'd be fine with an assist trophy reference though if Sakurai really wants to.

To be honest, the whole "recency" thing shouldn't even matter. However, what should is the nature of the series. The whole point is the characters aren't supposed to fight, but understand each other. Throwing in an Undertale character outside of a Trophy could compromise the message it's supposed to send. There's a reason Toby Fox is clear that Frisk would never be a fighter due to the point behind the game.

It's best it stays like it is, as a potential Trophy, which would still be a good thing.

 

[amazonevan19]

If you want my cynical, stubborn opinion I think people are going way overboard with who should and shouldn't be in.

Well ultimately (heh) Sakurai decides based on whatever criteria he wants to use, and our arguing isn't going to change that. What he does notice is POSITIVE support for a character's inclusion though. I think theorycrafting who's going to be in is fine but when we try and tear down each other over our preferences/who we want, that's crossing lines. We can all like who we want and whoever makes it, in the end we're getting a ****ing awesome smash game, probably the best one ever made, and possibly one of the best video games ever made.

 

[Gyrom8]

There are people on this forum whose parents had not even met yet, the last time zelda got a unique newcomer

I can see why Sakurai toned it down a bit in Brawl: Zelda got a whole lotta love in Melee. I can't really complain about Zelda representation in other matters, either: the stage selection is fantastic, it's got a great range of items and the music selection is nothing to sniff at (I'm just so happy that Molgera is coming back). But the character variety is just a little ... lacking.

 

[Zinith]

If you want my cynical, stubborn opinion I think people are going way overboard with who should and shouldn't be in.

I often inadvertently test that opinion with my most wanted...

 

[Louisacommie]

I can see why Sakurai toned it down a bit in Brawl: Zelda got a whole lotta love in Melee. I can't really complain about Zelda representation in other matters, either: the stage selection is fantastic, it's got a great range of items and the music selection is nothing to sniff at (I'm just so happy that Molgera is coming back). But the character variety is just a little ... lacking.

Ganondorf was the mistake kind of love

 

[Opossum]

If Undertale were to get a character, I'd love for it to be THE GREAT PAPYRUS, with a moveset based around various traps and puzzles.

Here's a special moveset to illustrate what I mean. Some day I'll get around to making a full moveset for him.


Neutral Special: Bone Attack - Launches a bone projectile up from the ground that travels forward. However, depending on whether the control stick is moved up or down during the start-up, it will either be a white bone or a blue bone. Blue bones do more damage, but only hit if the opponent is moving, leading to great mixup potential.
Side Special: Electricity Orb - Papyrus launches the orb in a shotput-like fashion, and if it hits, the orb delivers a hearty zap, stunning the opponent for a bit.
Up Special: Cool Dude Jump - Papyrus summons tall bones (which spell out "Cool Dude") from beneath him to launch upwards.
Down Special: You're Blue Now! - This is his attack. This short-range trap move turns the opponent blue for a short period of time. During this time, gravity on them is increased, decreasing their jump height and air speed.

Final Smash: Papyrus' Special Attack!

Spoiler

Though not seen in Undertale proper due to a Dog stealing it, some dialogue implies Papyrus' Special Attack is his own version of Sans' Gaster Blasters. Naturally, this would be his Final Smash.

 

[praline]

If Undertale were to get a character, I'd love for it to be THE GREAT PAPYRUS, with a moveset based around various traps and puzzles.

Here's a special moveset to illustrate what I mean. Some day I'll get around to making a full moveset for him.


Neutral Special: Bone Attack - Launches a bone projectile up from the ground that travels forward. However, depending on whether the control stick is moved up or down during the start-up, it will either be a white bone or a blue bone. Blue bones do more damage, but only hit if the opponent is moving, leading to great mixup potential.
Side Special: Electricity Orb - Papyrus launches the orb in a shotput-like fashion, and if it hits, the orb delivers a hearty zap, stunning the opponent for a bit.
Up Special: Cool Dude Jump - Papyrus summons tall bones (which spell out "Cool Dude") from beneath him to launch upwards.
Down Special: You're Blue Now! - This is his attack. This is short-range trap move turns the opponent blue for a short period of time. During this time, gravity on them is increased, decreasing their jump height and air speed.

Final Smash: Papyrus' Special Attack!

Spoiler

Though not seen in Undertale proper due to a Dog stealing it, some dialogue implies Papyrus' Special Attack is his own version of Sans' Gaster Blasters. Naturally, this would be his Final Smash.

I’d rather Undyne cause she’s cooler than the skelly boys

 

[Noipoi]

If Undertale were to get a character, I'd love for it to be THE GREAT PAPYRUS, with a moveset based around various traps and puzzles.

Here's a special moveset to illustrate what I mean. Some day I'll get around to making a full moveset for him.


Neutral Special: Bone Attack - Launches a bone projectile up from the ground that travels forward. However, depending on whether the control stick is moved up or down during the start-up, it will either be a white bone or a blue bone. Blue bones do more damage, but only hit if the opponent is moving, leading to great mixup potential.
Side Special: Electricity Orb - Papyrus launches the orb in a shotput-like fashion, and if it hits, the orb delivers a hearty zap, stunning the opponent for a bit.
Up Special: Cool Dude Jump - Papyrus summons tall bones (which spell out "Cool Dude") from beneath him to launch upwards.
Down Special: You're Blue Now! - This is his attack. This is short-range trap move turns the opponent blue for a short period of time. During this time, gravity on them is increased, decreasing their jump height and air speed.

Final Smash: Papyrus' Special Attack!

Spoiler

Though not seen in Undertale proper due to a Dog stealing it, some dialogue implies Papyrus' Special Attack is his own version of Sans' Gaster Blasters. Naturally, this would be his Final Smash.

Screw Sans, THIS is the Undertale rep we need!
Or Frisk. That'd be cool too.

Honestly I just want Undertale music in Smash.

 

[amazonevan19]

Knowing very little about undertale's story, that ^ sounds like a very cool moveset to play around with

 

[Zinith]

If ANY Undertale character should get in, it's that one labcoat-wearing nervous triceratops...

Spoiler

I don't know much about Undertale, who'd have thunk?

 

[Noipoi]

I’d rather Undyne cause she’s cooler than the skelly boys

Undyne? Cooler than Papyrus? No way!
Does Undyne have an attack that literally spells out COOL DUDE? I didn't think so.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

If ANY Undertale character should get in, it's that one labcoat-wearing nervous triceratops...

Spoiler

I don't know much about Undertale, who'd have thunk?

It’s funny you chose that character specifically, because she’s the only main character that you never fight, no matter what path you take.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

>Non-Sans Undertale rep talk
>No mention of a certain fabulous robot

you don’t know what you’re missing, darlings~

 

[Zinith]

It’s funny you chose that character specifically, because she’s the only main character that you never fight, no matter what path you take.

4D Chess my friend!!! My knowledge runs DEEP!!!

 

[Noipoi]

If ANY Undertale character should get in, it's that one labcoat-wearing nervous triceratops...

Spoiler

I don't know much about Undertale, who'd have thunk?

She's not a Tricaratops she doesn't have any horns.
I always thought she was a chubby chameleon.

 

[Thinkaman]

All the reasons they wouldn't fit well in Smash aside (of which fanbase is not one of them, as evidenced by Sonic being playable), Undertale's entire cast just oozes personality. They are about as memorable as characters can get.

Brb making Undertale Kart Racing

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Undertale talk, huh?

I'm just gonna uh, scurry my way on out of this.

 

[Noipoi]

I'm still mad that of all the Undertale songs, this one never gets mentioned.

Not only does it sound great, but your using the Villain's song against them! That's awesome!


It also makes me think of a moveset where Frisk fights using the power of the seven souls.

 

[Opossum]

>Non-Sans Undertale rep talk
>No mention of a certain fabulous robot

you don’t know what you’re missing, darlings~

Speaking of Mettaton, here's a kind of neat fun fact.

One special gimmick in my Waluigi moveset was a slight power boost if you follow up a kill with a taunt. Originally I was intending on using a similar gimmick in a scrapped Mettaton moveset I was making, which had a gimmick involving basing Mettaton's power on a fluctuating "Ratings" chart, which would increase or decrease based on the amount of style you incorporate into your playstyle.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Undertale is a decent game. The fans are not. But they do not deseve a rep. Goemon on the other hand, he deserves a spot.

 

[Thinkaman]

What Undertale "deserves" is a stage, with 80 tracks.

 

[Noipoi]

What if Frisk had two movesets and two final smashes?
A pacifist moveset where they fight accidentally using household items, like Isabelle.
And a genocide moveset where they fight using violent attacks with murderous intent.
And depending on which attacks you used more during the fight your final smash would either summon your friends to help you, or summon Chara to destroy everything.

I dunno how this would be implemented, but it sounds cool!

 

[Cosmic77]

Not only does it sound great, but your using the Villain's song against them! That's awesome!

Using a villain's own song against them? Where have I heard that before?

Spoiler

vs

Insert outdated joke about Sans being Ness.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Anyone else notice that Megalomania sounds like Rip and Tear from Doom 1?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Oh boy... we're talking Undertale in Smash... I'm just gonna stay quiet...

 

[SimonferSmash]

I must be the only person who doesn't feel Geno really needs to be a newcomer.

Cause with the others we've gotten so far, only referring to the unique ones, they played major parts in their respective series despite one of them being dormant for ten years since up to this point.

I also get that Sakurai wants him as well, but yeah he only was a major player in one sole game and even then was just a party member.

I wouldn't be against him getting in and I don't hate him at all, I just don't see his inclusion as a huge deal whatsoever.

 

[Nekoo]

What if Frisk had two movesets and two final smashes?
A pacifist moveset where they fight accidentally using household items, like Isabelle.
And a genocide moveset where they fight using violent attacks with murderous intent.
And depending on which attacks you used more during the fight your final smash would either summon your friends to help you, or summon Chara to destroy everything.

I dunno how this would be implemented, but it sounds cool!

Ah yes, two characters moveset in one, yes, double the work and dev time alongside Balance...
....
......
Please, no.

 

[Noipoi]

Using a villain's own song against them? Where have I heard that before?

Spoiler

vs

Insert outdated joke about Sans being Ness.

There was a Pokemon x Mother crossover game? How am I just learning about this now!
I know Mewtwo is supposed to be Giygas.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Wait I'm sorry we have a ****ing Undertale leak with Undyne as a listed character?


Also I'm sorry to say this, but this is going to be the next Steve Minecraft but this time I actually want it to happen

 

[Nekoo]

I must be the only person who doesn't feel Geno really needs to be a newcomer.

Cause with the others we've gotten so far, only referring to the unique ones, they played major parts in their respective series despite one of them being dormant for ten years since up to this point.

I also get that Sakurai wants him as well, but yeah he only was a major player in one sole game and even then was just a party member.

I wouldn't be against him getting in and I don't hate him at all, I just don't see his inclusion as a huge deal whatsoever.

I'm the same, I'm happy with any Square-Enix characters, Geno too.
But feel that, if Sakurai can deal with Square-Enix again, just going for Geno after Cloud Strife is a """"""""""""""waste"""""""""""" especially if he have choice of tons of iconics characters from Square.

But i'll be quiet.
Or else people will just bring up all of the interview under my nose.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

It’s funny you chose that character specifically, because she’s the only main character that you never fight, no matter what path you take.

Interestingly enough, not even having a new boss fight via DLC or a Switch exclusive for that matter.

Which is too bad, that one Mecha-Alphys fan concept I've seen floating around would be cool,

All the reasons they wouldn't fit well in Smash aside (of which fanbase is not one of them, as evidenced by Sonic being playable), Undertale's entire cast just oozes personality. They are about as memorable as characters can get.

Brb making Undertale Kart Racing

I smell a new fan rule.