Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Chrono.]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

Ken, Akuma, Kyo Kusanagi, Sol Badguy and Nightmare/Siegfried for me.

 

[Enchess]

If you consider selling ten million at least poorly.
Honestly, the Let's Go games will sell well. I just hope Gamefreak doesn't take that as a sign to put some of Let's Go's features into the main games.
except following and rideable Pokemon, that can stay.

...and the ability to dress up Eevee can stay. That's a feature that can bridge the gap of hardcore and casual fans.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

I think Zangief would be cool, but as I said earlier, I don't think I'm personally gonna get too excited over anyone from another fighting game. That doesn't mean I won't like them, I probably would end up liking them, they're just not characters that I'm gonna feel any huge amount of hype for.

...I would be hyped for Yu Narukami. He was in a few fighting games, does he count? lol

 

[Danpal65]

Has a Pokemon game ever sold poorly?
I know the answer must be yes.

There's selling poor and then there is selling poor by Pokemon standards. I think Let's Go will do well, but will sell poorly by Pokemon standards. Personally I'm thinking no more than 8 million.

 

[Starbound]

Honestly, I'd love for them to re-attempt the Lets Go games if we ever get VR on the Switch or future Nintendo console.

Especially if the PokeBall Plus can show up in the VR helmet as the PokeBall you're throwing.

 

[UberMadman]

Here’s an alternative take: they are uploading music to coincide with each of the true newcomers, but if they hit a franchise they already covered, they will just double dip once or twice.

 

[WolfCypher]

Has a Pokemon game ever sold poorly?
I know the answer must be yes.

Probably some spinoff game. Pokemon Dash, or BOX...

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

But...but..but......

I'd cut Ridley and K Rool if I had to to keep trophies, and they were my most wanted newcomers.

If K. Rool see this he’s going to shoot you with the blast-o-matic and Ridley would just kill you in general

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So how do you guys feel about this potential supposed story mode concept for Spirits?

Hades being an recurring antagonist which would be fitting due to his soul-devouring nature and one of the masterminds behind the story. My idea could be that he ends up recruiting villains like Bowser, Bowser Jr., Dark Samus, Ganondorf, King K. Rool and Ridley in collecting spirits as well as mercenaries like Wario and Wolf.

Being that Sakurai was behind Uprising. I'd be surprised if this wasn't the case.

 

[Noipoi]

From the early gameplay they shown so far, seems like you start with your mandatory Pikachu/Eevee + a starter (one of the 3). The footage with the gym battle against Brock shows Bulbasaur being used in the Gym battles. But it's early gameplay so there's no way to be sure yet.

That was just the E3 demo.
In the real game you simply start with Pikachu/Eevee, and have to get the starters by other means.
Bulbasaur have been shown to be in Viridian Forest, and Squirtle is a gift in Cerulean City I think. I dunno about Charmander.

 

[N3ON]

There's selling poor and then there is selling poor by Pokemon standards. I think Let's Go will do well, but will sell poorly by Pokemon standards. Personally I'm thinking no more than 8 million.

Pokemon Let's Go is gonna be catnip for the more casual Pokemon fan. And there's no shortage of them.

 

[IronTed]

If you consider selling ten million at least poorly.
Honestly, the Let's Go games will sell well. I just hope Gamefreak doesn't take that as a sign to put some of Let's Go's features into the main games.
except following and rideable Pokemon, that can stay.

To be honest I could totally see GF thinking "Well, we promised our core fans that the Let's Go games would have no influence on the mainline ones. So let's not implement following/rideable Pokemon in those ones"

I'm half joking, but the fact we could get this result terrifies me.

 

[MojoRobo]

You say that like you're familiar with it

My deviantart phase made me acquainted with it, even if I didn't want to be.

 

[Enchess]

If K. Rool see this he’s going to shoot you with the blast-o-matic and Ridley would just kill you in general

Trophies are a crucial part of Smash's identity to me. Trophies are a better part of Smash than All-star mode, break the target, adventure mode, and Homerun contest combined. I love all those, but I stand by that.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I really hope they do away with trophies in Ultimate. They're just a pain to collect and don't really add anything to the game. Just think of all the resources devoted to trophies that could be allocated elsewhere. Instead of having trophies they could incorporate an interactive timeline of Nintendo history similar to the Kirby timeline from Kirby's Dream Collection.

What would that accomplish that trophies already don't tho

 

[Roberk]

What's that? the fans didn't like Let's Go!
Was it the hand-holding, the removal of wild battles and more Kanto?
No, clearly Pokemon following you, one of the most requested features in Pokemon history, is to blame for this.

Whoa, a Pokemon game with handholding? Never seen that before. I just wish modern Pokemon is the extreme, hardcore, absolutely unforgiving experience I always remembered it to be.

I know that Let's Go is a dumbed down version of Pokemon but IMO it's not much of a loss when I could blow through most mainline games with my starter. Removing wild battles is BS though, everyone should have to suffer through those.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I'm voting with my wallet and skipping Let's Go all together.

I'm a pokemon fanatic. As a kid, I was trying to collect pennies and quarters to save up for a DS for Platinum when my mom took pity on me and bought me one for my birthday. I found a used copy of Pokemon Silver for sale at a book store of all places and begged my mom to buy it for me even though it was already outdated at that point (and I played it to death to). I begged and begged my mom for a Wii so I could play Pokemon Battle Revolution (and Brawl, but my parents never bought me that because I had no friends to play it with. Which was untrue by the way, I have two sisters close to my age and they're great friends.) I've got a nearly complete living National Dex. I mained Charizard in Smash 4 even before his D-throw and U-throw buffs and Mewtwo before Abadongo proved he was good.

But Pokemon Go is clearly one step forward and twenty steps back. No pokemon beyond gen one? Even more handholding then before? Online capabilities being almost nonexistant compared to previous games? I thought Pokemon was a franchise I'd tolerate anything from, but somehow I just can't get hyped for Let's Go. Now if they were selling it as a budget title for 30$ maybe I'd forgive it sonewhat, but instead they're selling it as a full 60$ game despite having like zero content. Pokemon 2019 better be good to make up for it. Meanwhile I think I'll just do that Sun nuzloche I was thinking about doing when it releases instead.

Whoa, a Pokemon game with handholding? Never seen that before. I just wish modern Pokemon is the extreme, hardcore, absolutely unforgiving experience I always remembered it to be.

I know that Let's Go is a dumbed down version of Pokemon but IMO it's not much of a loss when I could blow through most mainline games with my starter. Removing wild battles is BS though, everyone should have to suffer through those.

They've amped up the handholding from a 10 to like a million. Besides, Gen 7 has plenty of challenging moments, especially if you turn of the Exp.Share.

 

[pupNapoleon]

If you consider selling ten million at least poorly.
Honestly, the Let's Go games will sell well. I just hope Gamefreak doesn't take that as a sign to put some of Let's Go's features into the main games.
except following and rideable Pokemon, that can stay.

I am fairly certain the announcement that this was NOT the main game, makes it pretty clear that Pokemon is going in a strong direction.
Have your cake, and also eat it.

 

[Zinith]

My deviantart phase made me acquainted with it, even if I didn't want to be.

Well, considering the forecast , get used to it...
/s

 

[Noipoi]

Whoa, a Pokemon game with handholding? Never seen that before. I just wish modern Pokemon is the extreme, hardcore, absolutely unforgiving experience I always remembered it to be.

I know that Let's Go is a dumbed down version of Pokemon but IMO it's not much of a loss when I could blow through most mainline games with my starter. Removing wild battles is BS though, everyone should have to suffer through those.

It is true that pokemon has never been hard, but that's why they shouldn't have made it easier.
You can't enter Brock's gym without a grass or water type, that's an issue.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Trophies are a crucial part of Smash's identity to me. Trophies are a better part of Smash than All-star mode, break the target, adventure mode, and Homerun contest combined. I love all those, but I stand by that.

Out of all the 73 characters so far why choose them? If there's other characters who are less deserving that could be removed instead like Bayonetta, Cloud, Corrin, etc.? Who exactly was even asking for them?

 

[IronTed]

Am I the only one who never liked random encounters? Honestly just bring back the Vs. Seeker and we're good to go from a grinding standpoint.

As for predictions, LGPE will sell remake levels at worst, mainline levels at best. So 11-17 million, probably closer to 13-15 million.

 

[Enchess]

Well, considering the forecast , get used to it...
/s

Clearly Sakurai has decided this is the game to cater to reptile fetishes. Expect more to come.

Why choose them though if there's other characters that could be removed instead like Bayonetta, Cloud, Corrin, etc.? Who exactly was even asking for them?

Because K Rool and Ridley are my favorites. I feel so strongly that trophies should stay in, I'd be willing to sacrifice my absolute favorite characters in the entire cast to keep trophies.

 

[Smearglangelo]

What would that accomplish that trophies already don't tho

Nothing really. I'm arguing that it would be a better choice because it would easier for the developers to make.

 

[Mutsukki]

I'm voting with my wallet and skipping Let's Go all together.

I'm a pokemon fanatic. As a kid, I was trying to collect pennies and quarters to save up for a DS for Platinum when my mom took pity on me and bought me one for my birthday. I found a used copy of Pokemon Silver for sale at a book store of all places and begged my mom to buy it for me even though it was already outdated at that point (and I played it to death to). I begged and begged my mom for a Wii so I could play Pokemon Battle Revolution (and Brawl, but my parents never bought me that because I had no friends to play it with. Which was untrue by the way, I have two sisters close to my age and they're great friends.) I've got a nearly complete living National Dex. I mained Charizard in Smash 4 even before his D-throw and U-throw buffs and Mewtwo before Abadongo proved he was good.

But Pokemon Go is clearly one step forward and twenty steps back. No pokemon beyond gen one? Even more handholding then before? Online capabilities being almost nonexistant compared to previous games? I thought Pokemon was a franchise I'd tolerate anything from, but somehow I just can't get hyped for Let's Go. Now if they were selling it as a budget title for 30$ maybe I'd forgive it sonewhat, but instead they're selling it as a full 60$ game despite having like zero content. Pokemon 2019 better be good to make up for it. Meanwhile I think I'll just do that Sun nuzloche I was thinking about doing when it releases instead.

I don't necessarily agree with your complaints at all, but I guess I get them. But dang, having a full remake of Yellow that looks fantastic is not even close to what I'd call zero content.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

What's funny about Pokemon Let's Go is that it seems like it was intended to bring in the Pokemon GO crowd to get their console games.

But given by the reception that hasn't happened.

Because Pokemon GO players aren't going to fork over $300 for a Switch and another $60 for Pokemon.

 

[Nethermoosen]

It is true that pokemon has never been hard, but that's why they shouldn't have made it easier.
You can't enter Brock's gym without a grass or water type, that's an issue.

I just hope that game has content with gym leaders and league battles up to level 80 at least. I hate finishing a game where my Pokémon only need to be level 50 to destroy everything aside from a tower of randoms I care nothing for.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Man, I know I've said it before as a joke, but where do people get the impression that Sakurai is a troll? Is it just because he jokes around sometimes? I personally don't treat that as trolling, but eh, to each their own.

He does like to pull a few bait-and-switch moves, but he does tend to resolve them right away. "Unfortunately ZSS had to get cut. Lol no!" or Dedede popping up in K.Rool's trailer and laughing, only to be swatted away a few seconds later.

Some people like to extend that to "Sakurai will hint at something with some shadow so we can ponder, and then sit on it for a year and a half before finally revealing it!" He's not teased us like that though. I think most of the "lolololo Sakurai's suck a trollololololo!" is severely overblown.

What are your expectations/dreams/fears for the next Direct?

Expect it'll focus mostly on the features of the online thing and why we should pay $20/year for it, including infor on cloud saves and free NES games. Plus a few games that will make use of online and how that'll be affected.

Smash will get one character trailer. Maybe an echo as well. Most likely they'll be highly visible characters like Isabelle, Skull Kid, or the Pokémon.

Dreams: Beyond a surprise Tails and Dovahkiin reveal, I guess?
- Hyrule Warriors DLC including the BotW Champions. PLEASE!
...yeah, really just give me Tails and/or Dovahkiin otherwise.

Fears: No smash news, or a reveal of only a character that is a total buzzkill for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy with the roster as is; I just have a couple characters that I'm really holding out for - if they got in, I honestly think I'd be done with speculation.

 

[Noipoi]

I am fairly certain the announcement that this was NOT the main game, makes it pretty clear that Pokemon is going in a strong direction.
Have your cake, and also eat it.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.
I know they said the true main game would come out next year, but what's stopping them from making next year's game overly simple as well?
I'm not asking for Dark Souls with Pokemon, but I replayed Pokemon Platinum recently and when I got to the late game I got my world rocked.
that's all i'm asking for, bring that challenge back. They had it before, why'd they get rid of it?

 

[Thermithral]

Honestly man, that's great.
I'm happy you could find enjoyment in something that I couldn't, but this game really isn't doing it for me. Which sucks because I usually love Pokemon.
I might get it to waste some time before Smash, but I probably won't enjoy it.
I'm doing a "Smash run" of the game (using only ) so maybe that'll spice the game up for me. We'll see.

But...Mewtwo is at the end of them game? Are you just going ot have a team of 5 until you have beaten the Elite Four?

 

[pupNapoleon]

Out of all the 73 characters so far why choose them? If there's other characters that could be removed instead like Bayonetta, Cloud, Corrin, etc.? Who exactly was even asking for them?

I never asked for Cloud, but you just try your damndest to take him from me. I dare you, Mr. Crocodile.
I'll run in zigzags!

 

[PLATINUM7]

Nothing really. I'm arguing that it would be a better choice because it would easier for the developers to make.

Most trophies are of already existing models, so a timeline would just be less text, different UI elements and if you want to do more than Brawl's chronicle, images rather than models. It's less work but also less content. I know we have lots of stuff already in the game but suddenly going from hundreds of trophies to none in what's supposed to be Ultimate/Special Smash would be very weird.

 

[Mutsukki]

Nothing really. I'm arguing that it would be a better choice because it would easier for the developers to make.

90% of trophies are just model imports from their respective games. It's not that much work to be honest. Melee was the only one where they were all made from zero.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I don't understand what you're trying to say.
I know they said the true main game would come out next year, but what's stopping them from making next year's game overly simple as well?
I'm not asking for Dark Souls with Pokemon, but I replayed Pokemon Platinum recently and when I got to the late game I got my world rocked.
that's all i'm asking for, bring that challenge back. They had it before, why'd they get rid of it?

Because two games of the same series are not going to be released back to back if they compete directly with each others market. Let's Go will still be selling well after the Holiday, theres no reason to make it compete with another game that is essentially itself.
The only exception to this which I can think, is when the games are on different hardware, or when they are meant to go hand in hand (either the duality games like Fire Emblem, or being a direct sequel).

 

[GunBlaze]

They had it before, why'd they get rid of it?

Younger people. The pampering is real.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I never asked for Cloud, but you just try your damndest to take him from me. I dare you, Mr. Croc. I'll run in zigzags!

One's an character owned by Nintendo who was frequently requested over the years, the other is one that barely had any history with them. Do the math and fite me.

 

[Noipoi]

But...Mewtwo is at the end of them game? Are you just going ot have a team of 5 until you have beaten the Elite Four?

In Mewtwo's place i'll use that special New Pokemon until I can get it.
if I like it enough i'll keep it on the team and dump Jigglypuff instead.

 

[WolfCypher]

It is true that pokemon has never been hard, but that's why they shouldn't have made it easier.
You can't enter Brock's gym without a grass or water type, that's an issue.

Say what know?

 

[Misery Brick]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

For me personally, Terry Bogard, Geese, Yoshimitsu, Chun-Li, and Nightmare would be pretty hype. Any one of those would make a lot of people happy.
But one that would be a complete pipe dream but would be my absolute personal and favorite choice:
Morrigan Aensland.
I mean Zero is already an AT, so just throw her in to represent Capcom crossovers as she's seen as a face of Capcom itself along Ryu, Chun-Li, and Mega Man. She's kinda far removed from Darkstalkers itself nowadays, so I think she'd be great as a "company rep".
please sakurai I'm begging you

 

[ZephyrZ]

I don't necessarily agree with your complaints at all, but I guess I get them. But dang, having a full remake of Yellow that looks fantastic is not even close to what I'd call zero content.

Zero new content, I mean. And I'll admit it's got some things going for it. Partner Pokemon following you around is a returning feature I've wanted for forever. Pokemon Go compatibility is something that needed to happen, although only being able to transfer the original 150 is a huge let down. And the graphics are nice but aren't blowing my mind. I could always go replay my old copy of Fire Red and probably not miss out on too much, especially if Gen 8 has partner Pokemon as well.