Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Chrono.]

My stance on the blog is that the songs mean nothing for the characters, even if they plan on only showcasing one per franchise.

A new song could debut on a trailer and just not get showcased on the blog.

 

[praline]

It's not Heihachi or Tekken related, but something like in a Smash game would be insane tbh.

Honestly I’d be ok with Terry in Smash.

 

[supercopper64]

What trophies have been shown off in Ultimate?

 

[Zinith]

What trophies have been shown off in Ultimate?

Regular trophies? none

 

[Noipoi]

What trophies have been shown off in Ultimate?

None, if you can believe it.
Normal trophies, not assist trophies.

 

[AreJay25]

What trophies have been shown off in Ultimate?

So far, none.

 

[IronTed]

Maybe I'm misremembering, but it took a really long time for the marketing for USUM to actually happen, so I assume within a few weeks some LGPE info will drop, followed by some ads. TPC does their own thing.

I'd expect Prime 4 and Bayonetta 3 info at The Game Awards. Nintendo supports the hell out if that thing. Pikmin 4 is as mysterious as it is "complete". Seriously, Miyamoto said it was what, 80% complete like 3 years ago? That development cycle is stressful to even me.

Yeah, I expect that as well, it does seem like the right place to officially reveal a game such as Prime 4.

But yeah, Pikmin 4 has really confused me. Way back when in 2015 when it was first talked about I hoped it hit the Wii U in 2016. Of course it didn't and that was ok. I then expected it to hit the Switch last year, but it didn't. At the time I thought Nintendo was holding it back due to a rather filled slate. I then assumed it would be this year, but nope. I'm done assuming at this point lol.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Went to the NintenZone social thread to talk about non-smash stuff and ended up talking about Smash anyways, so I just came back here.

The blog would have been more interesting if they didn't reveal that all previous characters were returning at E3. I know that Sakurai just wants to stay ahead of the leaks, but I miss the Brawl and Smash 4 days of speculating about which characters were going to return.

Honestly I'm "old" at this point and enjoyed the relief that no drama everyone I cared about is back (and everyone I didn't care about as a bonus). Everyone is here was also a big moment, and honestly, a few big moments in what is ultimately a very short pre-release cycle (less than half of Brawl's!) is worth more than a dripfeed to me. My satisfaction here comes from imagining the big picture and how everything will work together, and they've given that pretty optimally.

Also I really can't say I enjoyed dumb stuff like explaining to people in Brawl's pre-release that Ness wasn't cut because of Lucas's reveal mentioning him and in fact it was probably the opposite. I was right, but it's not fun to see people carry on and on about something obviously wrong and then, months later when they're proven as wrong as they obviously were from the beginning, they say Sakurai is a troll and misled them when it was obvious exactly what he meant from the very beginning...

 

[MojoRobo]

I'd expect Prime 4 and Bayonetta 3 info at The Game Awards. Nintendo supports the hell out if that thing. Pikmin 4 is as mysterious as it is "complete". Seriously, Miyamoto said it was what, 80% complete like 3 years ago? That development cycle is stressful to even me.

I feel like Pikmin games aren't even developed, they're just brought into existence through arcane rituals at a shrine built around a Louie plush.

When Miyamoto said that, he wasn't talking about the game, he meant that they had managed to gather 80% of the materials needed to perform another summoning.

 

[Chrono.]

Imagine if regular Trophies don't come back.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Well, I'm a Trubbish fan, so feel free to rip on that if you need to get even

I'll take it from here Noipoi

Trubbish is ... just... you know... ... garbage... not good enough... . i mean... he smells... pretty bad i guess.... and he's... screw that!

It was a trap?

Impossible to roast a sack of garbage!

 

[Enchess]

Honestly I'm "old" at this point and enjoyed the relief that no drama everyone I cared about is back (and everyone I didn't care about as a bonus). Everyone is here was also a big moment, and honestly, a few big moments in what is ultimately a very short pre-release cycle (less than half of Brawl's!) is worth more than a dripfeed to me. My satisfaction here comes from imagining the big picture and how everything will work together, and they've given that pretty optimally.

Also I really can't say I enjoyed dumb stuff like explaining to people in Brawl's pre-release that Ness wasn't cut because of Lucas's reveal mentioning him and in fact it was probably the opposite. I was right, but it's not fun to see people carry on and on about something obviously wrong and then, months later when they're proven as wrong as they obviously were from the beginning, they say Sakurai is a troll and misled them when it was obvious exactly what he meant from the very beginning...

I'm glad they immediately revealed everyone is back, but if they still said that but held off on the individual spotlight videos on the blog until their day, then I'd wake up every morning excited to open up the blog to see a glimpse of each character.

As is, I don't bother checking the blog at all most days.

 

[Deleted member]

Man, I know I've said it before as a joke, but where do people get the impression that Sakurai is a troll? Is it just because he jokes around sometimes? I personally don't treat that as trolling, but eh, to each their own.

 

[Starbound]

Yoshi's Flippy Ding-Dong Dippy

I have never wanted a game based solely off its title before.

And now I do.

 

[Noipoi]

Imagine if regular Trophies don't come back.

I'd be really disappointed. I could sit for hours just looking at all the trophies I collected, reading their descriptions and just enjoying the model.
It'd suck if trophies were taken out.

 

[Smearglangelo]

None, if you can believe it.
Normal trophies, not assist trophies.

So far, none.

Imagine if regular Trophies don't come back.

I really hope they do away with trophies in Ultimate. They're just a pain to collect and don't really add anything to the game. Just think of all the resources devoted to trophies that could be allocated elsewhere. Instead of having trophies they could incorporate an interactive timeline of Nintendo history similar to the Kirby timeline from Kirby's Dream Collection.

 

[Zinith]

I have never wanted a game based solely off its title before.

And now I do.

If Yoshi just had better titles, watch the sales EXPLODE!!!

 

[Noipoi]

Man, I know I've said it before as a joke, but where do people get the impression that Sakurai is a troll? Is it just because he jokes around sometimes? I personally don't treat that as trolling, but eh, to each their own.

If you consider trolling as purposefully misleading or joking with someone, then Sakurai could be considered a troll.
But Sakurai never "trolls" for long. Like back at E3 with the THE END (just kidding) or in K Rool's trailer with Dedede,. He jokes, but he never misleads you for a long time. he's always quick to take it back.

 

[Primid]

Man, I know I've said it before as a joke, but where do people get the impression that Sakurai is a troll? Is it just because he jokes around sometimes? I personally don't treat that as trolling, but eh, to each their own.

I mean, he does do the ol' bait and switch a lot. Just look at the K. Rool trailer.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I guarantee you it's literally just a Pokemon Yellow remake with nothing different except for the Pokemon Go mechanics copy-pasted in to appeal to the mobile market.
Great for the kiddies, sucks for anyone else not blinded by Kanto nostalgia.
Gen 8 can't come soon enough...

I liked Gen 1 - Johto is infinitely superior - but I'm pretty excited for this. Yeah, it's annoying that the grinding mechanics are being dumbed down, but...

This is what makes it a day 1 purchase for me. My boi Arcanine! And you can ride him! **** YES!

Also, I'm really hoping that it's a port of Yellow more than anything else so I can get all three starters. I consider a Pokémon game wasted if I can't have in my team. I've based my team around them since about 2008.

...yeah, I don't thing any character can hype me to the level that I was for . As much as I wanted Riddles to get in since the fans deserved it after all this time, E3's best announcement was hands down.

 

[potato69]

wishes for the next nintendo direct:
-minecraft and smash bros team up for smash bros: survival
-everyone's favorite pokemon, palpitoad, is announced for smash
-captain cuttlefish appears as the newest blade in xenoblade chronicles 2
-new game: yoshi's HECKING island

 

[blackghost]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

chunli, akuma, ken, nightmare, after that you are really out of big icons that could get in. mk wont happen so thats it.

 

[Roberk]

If Yoshi just had better titles, watch the sales EXPLODE!!!

Spoiler

/s

 

[praline]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

Heihachi wouldn’t excite me. Only Nightmare and Morrigan.

 

[Enchess]

I really hope they do away with trophies in Ultimate. They're just a pain to collect and don't really add anything to the game. Just think of all the resources devoted to trophies that could be allocated elsewhere. Instead of having trophies they could incorporate an interactive timeline of Nintendo history similar to the Kirby timeline from Kirby's Dream Collection.

But...but..but......

I'd cut Ridley and K Rool if I had to to keep trophies, and they were my most wanted newcomers.

 

[MysticKnives]

The music theory is more just "does Nintendo have common sense in how they do blog updates?"

If the answer is yes, then Geno was just deconfirmed.

Problem is, we can't be sure they do have common sense in how to run this blog because they posted all the character overview videos at once, making 90% of the blog updates completely pointless, discouraging people from following the blog daily.

Been out of the loop. Why would this be the case? I legit am lost with this whole music theory business

 

[TMNTSSB4]

A few minutes later...

Spoiler

Honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if people started wars and riots over no more Smash newcomers months before the game releases...but atleast we don’t have to live in that world

 

[Deleted member]

If you consider trolling as purposefully misleading or joking with someone, then Sakurai could be considered a troll.
But Sakurai never "trolls" for long. Like back at E3 with the THE END (just kidding) or in K Rool's trailer with Dedede,. He jokes, but he never misleads you for a long time. he's always quick to take it back.

Yeah, that's true. I guess I just never thought of them as trolls because he never tried to lead us on, he's always very quick to say if something he said was just a joke, just as you said. I usually think of negative things when it comes to trolling, so that's probably why I feel confused sometimes lol.

 

[MojoRobo]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

Sol Badguy (or any Guilty Gear rep)

 

[pupNapoleon]

What's that? the fans didn't like Let's Go!
Was it the hand-holding, the removal of wild battles and more Kanto?
No, clearly Pokemon following you, one of the most requested features in Pokemon history, is to blame for this.

Has a Pokemon game ever sold poorly?
I know the answer must be yes.

 

[Zinith]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

Reptile, Riptor, Aeon Calcos...

Not for any particular reason

 

[Noipoi]

I liked Gen 1 - Johto is infinitely superior - but I'm pretty excited for this. Yeah, it's annoying that the grinding mechanics are being dumbed down, but...

This is what makes it a day 1 purchase for me. My boi Arcanine! And you can ride him! **** YES!

Also, I'm really hoping that it's a port of Yellow more than anything else so I can get all three starters. I consider a Pokémon game wasted if I can't have in my team. I've based my team around them since about 2008.

...yeah, I don't thing any character can hype me to the level that I was for . As much as I wanted Riddles to get in since the fans deserved it after all this time, E3's best announcement was hands down.

Honestly man, that's great.
I'm happy you could find enjoyment in something that I couldn't, but this game really isn't doing it for me. Which sucks because I usually love Pokemon.
I might get it to waste some time before Smash, but I probably won't enjoy it.
I'm doing a "Smash run" of the game (using only ) so maybe that'll spice the game up for me. We'll see.

 

[MojoRobo]

Reptile, Riptor, Aeon Calcos...

Not for any particular reason

I can feel the raw scalie energy from this post.

 

[Starbound]

If Yoshi just had better titles, watch the sales EXPLODE!!!

I'm honestly picturing going to Gamestop to pre-order it and just not keeping a straight face.

"Hi I'd like to pre-order Yoshi's Flippy Ding-dong Island". Even typing it, I can't make it past flippy without laughing.

and it gets better if, for example, you had your parent pre-order it or pick it up for a birthday or something.

"I want the flippy Yoshi Ding-Dong game".

 

[IronTed]

Has a Pokemon game ever sold poorly?
I know the answer must be yes.

Varies on your definition of poor. Crystal is the worst selling to date at 6.39 million though.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I really hope they do away with trophies in Ultimate. They're just a pain to collect and don't really add anything to the game. Just think of all the resources devoted to trophies that could be allocated elsewhere. Instead of having trophies they could incorporate an interactive timeline of Nintendo history similar to the Kirby timeline from Kirby's Dream Collection.

I'd prefer the Chronicle like in Brawl; brief, concise, tidy, informative and can include silly odds and ends, like the Hamtaro games.

But yeah, Pikmin 4 has really confused me. Way back when in 2015 when it was first talked about I hoped it hit the Wii U in 2016. Of course it didn't and that was ok. I then expected it to hit the Switch last year, but it didn't. At the time I thought Nintendo was holding it back due to a rather filled slate. I then assumed it would be this year, but nope. I'm done assuming at this point lol.

It is basically Pikmin Forever at this point.

Also, one funny thing to think about: Wario Land is the only Nintendo series I can think of that managed to get up to 4 before changing numbers. The cursed number 4 stigma is strong in Japan.

Meanwhile, Mario Kart somehow ended up having numbered sequels after Wii, for some weird reason.

 

[Smearglangelo]

I liked Gen 1 - Johto is infinitely superior - but I'm pretty excited for this. Yeah, it's annoying that the grinding mechanics are being dumbed down, but...

This is what makes it a day 1 purchase for me. My boi Arcanine! And you can ride him! **** YES!

Also, I'm really hoping that it's a port of Yellow more than anything else so I can get all three starters. I consider a Pokémon game wasted if I can't have in my team. I've based my team around them since about 2008.

...yeah, I don't thing any character can hype me to the level that I was for . As much as I wanted Riddles to get in since the fans deserved it after all this time, E3's best announcement was hands down.

Glad to see someone is enthusiastic about this game. I on the other hand, am not to sure about it.

Anything that was in Yellow should be in this game (Like having access to all starters), but Gamefreak has dropped the pokeball before. Remember when GameFreak just copy and pasted X&Y's battle tower into Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire instead of bringing back the battle frontier from Emerald?

 

[Noipoi]

Has a Pokemon game ever sold poorly?
I know the answer must be yes.

If you consider selling ten million at least poorly.
Honestly, the Let's Go games will sell well. I just hope Gamefreak doesn't take that as a sign to put some of Let's Go's features into the main games.
except following and rideable Pokemon, that can stay.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Also, I'm really hoping that it's a port of Yellow more than anything else so I can get all three starters. I consider a Pokémon game wasted if I can't have in my team. I've based my team around them since about 2008.

From the early gameplay they shown so far, seems like you start with your mandatory Pikachu/Eevee + a starter (or). The footage with the gym battle shows Bulbasaur being used in the Gym battles. But it's early gameplay so there's no way to be sure yet.

 

[Zinith]

I can feel the raw scalie energy from this post.

You say that like you're familiar with it