Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[P1ZZ4CHU]

Next time that happens summon me and I'll back you up

Man Assist Trophies are getting weird.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Spoiler

Base:
Newcomers:
Bandana Dee
Geno
Incineroar
Karate Joe
Skull Kid

Echo Fighters:
Black Knight (Ike)
Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong)
Isabelle (Villager)
Shadow (Sonic)

DLC:
Newcomers:
Banjo-Kazooie
Heihachi
Isaac
Rex & Pyra

Echo Fighters:
Felix (Isaac)
Ken (Ryu)
Medusa (Palutena)
Octoling (Inkling)

So if these were the final characters. How satisfied would you guys be with the roster?

Thought I'd start a new game so no one gets bored.

 

[Deleted member]

Man Assist Trophies are getting weird.

What is with the fuss of AT?
ATs are just like they were in Smash 4.

They're illegal when Nintendo wants to flex their copyright strength.

Less we forget how AM2R turned out.

Also, that was in the social thread.

It happened a while back in this thread. Also what happened to AM2R?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeish, at least 30 pages. Apologies for taking forever to reply. I had to work for 7 hours straight, so...

People who think Bomberman didn't have moveset potential need to look at a Bomberman game for just two seconds.

Every character has moveset potential. Doesn't make it easy to translate and keep balanced. He requires easily more effort than ones, like say, Link or in this case, Simon.

I said I would keep Smashes the same and only change Neutral B though.

I'm aware of what you said. Smashes are fine. I believe Warlock Punch is the only special move other than Flame Choke that needs to stay. I feel it fits Ganondorf's immense power perfectly. Warlock Thrust also doesn't work very well with his broadsword anyway. Now having him hold his Sword while using Warlock Punch and perhaps swinging it after or even before the punch itself to bring the character into the move(basically sucking them in ala Kirby's Neutral B, or even Ganondorf's own Up Tilt, which has a suck effect), could be fun. Or maybe him using it during Wizard's Foot as a final hit.

On another note, I find it hilarious that the first time Ganondorf uses a sword in Smash in the base moveset is that it's a non-canon sword itself. Albeit, way more fitting than his canon versions, but still.

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Moving on, I feel Bayonetta is a full exception to the iconic factor. We don't even know if the ballot influenced her inclusion. The datamine thing implies she was chosen before it, or was considered early on before the ballot started(perhaps as an AT), and the had some work done(which would still use ZSS' skeleton either way), and then the ballot's early votes showed she was legitimately popular, so her data was put into the character slot and later worked on further. That or she was chosen before the ballot and it had no influence. Or something we don't know.

Geno feels like he would be another exception if playable. The ballot influencing some 3rd parties is perfectly normal anyway. The thing about 3rd parties having gaming history, despite him saying "they must have it", they are still guidelines, not hard rules. Otherwise Bayonetta could not have gotten in no matter what. Pretty much what Sakurai says is a guideline and reasons he has done or hasn't done things. It doesn't mean they will always be used as the only possible reason. Otherwise tons of characters would just be ignored or not exist. Etc.

 

[monadoboy]

Okay real talk though

Glasses option for Shulk. PLEASE.

And give everyone in his Chain Attack glasses too.

BEST Equipment.

And if Elma gets in somehow, she gets those dumb heart glasses

Spoiler

The lack of fun equipment is XC2's biggest sin and nothing can convince me otherwise.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Smash Flash 2 even mentions that they do not want money at all. Fan games are completely okay, as long as they are not forcing money from you.

Truth. Rockmen R is a textbook case of people distributing a fan game the wrong way, and paying the price for it.

 

[Deleted member]

When are music updates supposed to drop again?

 

[AreJay25]

When are music updates supposed to drop again?

In about 30 minutes.

 

[ZephyrZ]

FYI, I saw someone talking about how fan games are "illegal".

That person is straight up wrong.

Smash Flash 2 even mentions that they do not want money at all. Fan games are completely okay, as long as they are not forcing money from you.

It could be argued that they don't fall under fair use because they might compete with existing Nintendo products (AM2R could theoretically discourage people from buying Samus Returns, Smash Flash could theoretically discourage people from buying Ultimate, ect).

I think they're kind of a grey area. And the way I see it, there's no reason Psycho Waluigi should have been taken down ('cause I seriously doubt Nintendo has a secret Waluigi platformer in the making).

 

[WolfCypher]

Are we just posting games again?

Here's a game: List your most wanted newcomers you wanted when each SSB was announced; bold the ones that made it in that game.

Melee: Pit, King Dedede, Diddy, Wario, Banjo-Kazooie, Joanna Dark (damn...)

Brawl: Pit, Lucario, Wolf, King K. Rool, Diddy Kong, King Dedede

4: Wolf, Dark Samus, King K. Rool

Ultimate: Any given Sun/Moon Pokemon, Rex & Pyra, King K. Rool, Dark Samus, Dixie Kong

 

[Fenriraga]

And if Elma gets in somehow, she gets those dumb heart glasses

Spoiler

The lack of fun equipment is XC2's biggest sin and nothing can convince me otherwise.

It really was. I love the game, but the fact that the most we get from alternate costumes are recolors and swimsuits as DLC is just... No fun.

 

[CannonStreak]

Fortress Boss from Super Mario Bros 3 is the music for today.

 

[Arcadenik]

mk aint happening. japanese players basically hate that franchise. chun-li is a good choice but id expect dlc. terry bogard is a who to most people here. and fulgore is a huge 90s character but with Microsoft having him now doubt he has a chance.

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

 

[Abha]

Fortress Boss from Super Mario Bros 3 is the music for today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBBt7D-1wnw&feature=youtu.be
Sounds nice

 

[domokl]

Okay, where’s the people who will say that the fact they put up Mario music deconfirms Geno?

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

Not that many. Scorpion, though the excitement there would just be in America.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

Scorpion but that's never happening. Mortal Kombat isn't even popular in Japan nor is Ed Boon friends with Sakurai as Hideo was.

What's next people clamoring for Kratos?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

Playable Master Hand?

Honestly, there's really only Soul Calibur and Killer Instinct among unrepresented fighting games right now that are currently huge. And those both have more than one majorly popular option as is. Though there's still other stuff like BlazBlue and Guilty Gear, but I honestly don't know how big they are so they can possibly be counted too. I may be missing some other major ones.

 

[Freduardo]

Spoiler

Base:
Newcomers:
Bandana Dee
Geno
Incineroar
Karate Joe
Skull Kid

Echo Fighters:
Black Knight (Ike)
Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong)
Isabelle (Villager)
Shadow (Sonic)

DLC:
Newcomers:
Banjo-Kazooie
Heihachi
Isaac
Rex & Pyra

Echo Fighters:
Felix (Isaac)
Ken (Ryu)
Medusa (Palutena)
Octoling (Inkling)

So if these were the final characters. How satisfied would you guys be with the roster?

Thought I'd start a new game so no one gets bored.

Fairly satisfied. I mean, I’d kinda wish an ARMs character made DLC, but the selection is neat. And a Medusa echo on Palutena would make it up enough to me.

That said, I think we’re going to get more dlc than last time.

 

[papagenos]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

yoshimitsu.

i really like soul calibur, plus he'd rep tekken and soul calibur

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

What is with the fuss of AT?
ATs are just like they were in Smash 4.

It happened a while back in this thread. Also what happened to AM2R?

Got taken down after the creators made an announcement for it, though it did get one update.

It could be argued that they don't fall under fair use because they might compete with existing Nintendo products (AM2R could theoretically discourage people from buying Samus Returns, Smash Flash could theoretically discourage people from buying Ultimate, ect).

I think they're kind of a grey area. And the way I see it, there's no reason Psycho Waluigi should have been taken down ('cause I seriously doubt Nintendo has a secret Waluigi platformer in the making).

Meanwhile, Capcom only ever pays attention to fan games if Street Fighter is involved or some stupid people try to profit from it, otherwise they leave them alone.

Psycutlery better be good to compensate for the loss of Psycho Waluigi...

 

[Deleted member]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBBt7D-1wnw&feature=youtu.be
Sounds nice

Well there goes my hard call.

 

[Danpal65]

Just as some further information on today's piece of music. The track is done by Akihiro Honda, a composer who apparently worked on the Metal Gear Solid series.

 

[PeridotGX]

Spoiler

Base:
Newcomers:
Bandana Dee
Geno
Incineroar
Karate Joe
Skull Kid

Echo Fighters:
Black Knight (Ike)
Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong)
Isabelle (Villager)
Shadow (Sonic)

DLC:
Newcomers:
Banjo-Kazooie
Heihachi
Isaac
Rex & Pyra

Echo Fighters:
Felix (Isaac)
Ken (Ryu)
Medusa (Palutena)
Octoling (Inkling)

So if these were the final characters. How satisfied would you guys be with the roster?

Thought I'd start a new game so no one gets bored.

...eh. The only characters I care about there are Bandana Dee and Octoling.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Okay, where’s the people who will say that the fact they put up Mario music deconfirms Geno?

I was wondering that.

How many people suddenly no longer believe the ‘music theory’?

 

[Sephazon]

FYI, I saw someone talking about how fan games are "illegal".

That person is straight up wrong.

Smash Flash 2 even mentions that they do not want money at all. Fan games are completely okay, as long as they are not forcing money from you.

That is not how copyright protection works. Fan games are not completely okay – it's up to a company to decide when and where they allow fans to use their IP for works of art, including fan games. I've worked professionally with both Nintendo and Pokémon over the course of the past four years. As with all gaming companies, they have a tight grip on their IPs, especially in the case of The Pokémon Company International. There are many reasons a fan game is shut down, particularly if it interferes with IP protection. A company is legally obligated to shut down unofficial products that use its IP. For example, The Pokémon Company doesn't even allow Nintendo to make changes to Pikachu in cross-over games on Nintendo consoles. It's all about brand imaging.

Examples of fan games not requesting any financial compensation and were yet shut down:
Creepy Tanooki Mario Game by PETA – Nintendo (not a "fan" game, but they weren't charging money, as per the argument)
Project M – Nintendo (technically a mod, but that’s a whole different rabbit hole)
Another Metroid 2 Remake – Nintendo
Pokémon Uranium – The Pokémon Company International
Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes – Square Enix

They're illegal when Nintendo wants to flex their copyright strength.

Less we forget how AM2R turned out.

Also, that was in the social thread.

Also what happened to AM2R?

I was on the development team for AM2R. It launched the same day I was interviewed by Nintendo and was shut down the day Nintendo hired me in 2016. In addition to IP protection, in the case of AM2R, Nintendo was already developing its own Metroid 2 remake – Metroid: Samus Returns – for the Nintendo 3DS.



That said, I did bring my AM2R dev copy to E3 last year.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Fairly satisfied. I mean, I’d kinda wish an ARMs character made DLC, but the selection is neat. And a Medusa echo on Palutena would make it up enough to me.

That said, I think we’re going to get more dlc than last time.

I mean with 90 characters (Including Echos and DLC) to choose from. Who wouldn't be satified with a roster like that.

*Looks at Waluigi and Ashley fans*

Oh...Yeah...

 

[ZephyrZ]

The new remix sounds pretty good, although it's hard to go wrong with a song like that as long as you stay true to the original version. I like the violins.

I think that Gang-Plank Galleon remix set my bar way too high though. I don't know how anything they throw at us now is ever going to top that.

 

[Will]

FYI, I saw someone talking about how fan games are "illegal".

That person is straight up wrong.

Smash Flash 2 even mentions that they do not want money at all. Fan games are completely okay, as long as they are not forcing money from you.

Watch MatPat's video about fan games. I know he's a "meme theorist" or whatever but he's bringing actual law into account, not some headcanon. Actual U.S. law.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

since when is K.Rool 3rd party, unknown to the public and not important to his series?

Dude's unknown to the public and (currently) unimportant to his series due to irrelevancy, and was only added due to mass fan demand in the Smash Bros. and Nintendo fandom.

 

[NintenRob]

The lack of a Bowser stage for all these awesome Bowser related songs is criminal

 

[ReeseBalaski]

I'm lovin' that Mario 3 remix. Good stuff.

 

[Will]

Dude's unknown to the public and (currently) unimportant to his series due to irrelevancy, and was only added due to mass fan demand in the Smash Bros. and Nintendo fandom.

You forgot the 3rd party part.

 

[Roberk]

>Mario music
>not Super Mario RPG
>music theory being taken seriously by many

Hoo boy, this'll be an interesting night.

 

[AreJay25]

That remix is actually fantastic.

Interesting that they remixed that and the final boss theme. Wonder if we'll get World's final boss theme to complement its Fortress Boss theme...

 

[Untouch]

Well that's 2 new SMB3 bowser(-ish) related songs, kind of odd if we aren't getting a bowser's castle themed stage.

 

[Kuon]

Spoiler

Base:
Newcomers:
Bandana Dee
Geno
Incineroar
Karate Joe
Skull Kid

Echo Fighters:
Black Knight (Ike)
Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong)
Isabelle (Villager)
Shadow (Sonic)

DLC:
Newcomers:
Banjo-Kazooie
Heihachi
Isaac
Rex & Pyra

Echo Fighters:
Felix (Isaac)
Ken (Ryu)
Medusa (Palutena)
Octoling (Inkling)

So if these were the final characters. How satisfied would you guys be with the roster?

Thought I'd start a new game so no one gets bored.

Personally, I don't like most of the popular picks and I don't really want most of these characters. Isabelle, Dixie Kong, Octolings, Skull Kid and Geno are pretty much the only ones here that I want from this list. I don't really care about Banjo and Kazooie, so I don't really want them to be playable. Also, I think Isabelle should be unique and not an echo, along with Dixie Kong. But yeah, a roster that would satisfy me would be Isabelle, Dixie Kong, Geno, Skull Kid, Shantae, Agnes (Bravely Default), and both male and female models of Erdrick (Dragon Quest III), not in that order.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The lack of a Bowser stage for all these awesome Bowser related songs is criminal

I'm honestly surprised there has never yet to been a Bowser's Castle stage in any Smash game...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Okay, so other than Heihachi, what other fighting game characters would excite many people?

Morrigan, because of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBBt7D-1wnw&feature=youtu.be
Sounds nice

Pretty jamming, but it just makes me realise we still won't have a Bowser's castle stage to play this on. For Rosalina's sake, Japanese Mario players, I know you prefer the heroes and all, but still.

 

[Starbound]

I wish it was that SMB3 remix from Bowser's character trailer because that sounded hype, but this one is good too.