Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Iridium]

When Ultimate comes out, I want to see crazy shenanigans like this:

https://out.reddit.com/t3_9ahrld?url=https://gfycat.com/BabyishGrossHochstettersfrog&token=AQAAe9CEWwzshxIls10AfzR0wUppgEnTIKAwcYvedbBDmy9Z0I9i&app_name=mweb2x.

 

[Knight Dude]

To add to my last question, you now have music control, knock youselfs out
Soundtrack has never been something that calls to me in video games, so just add every solo Marshmello song because it's nice background music and I'm mainstream trash

I'd go full Marvel 2 and add plenty of jazz tracks.

Otherwise, More Metroid music, Mega Man track, a ton of Street Fighter 3 Third Strike and Street Fighter EX music, that Peach game I mentioned before.

Throw in some Tekken for good measure.

 

[92MilesPrower]

I want everyone to play a game.
Name your five favorite series in Smash and name a boss for them.

: Shadow Queen or Petey Piranha
: Bongo Bongo
: Zero 2
: Grima
: Mega Rayquaza

: Egg Dragoon (It's somewhat overused now but it's cool as heck)
: Ness' Nightmare or Kraken
: Ultra Necrozma
: Lord of Lightning
: Kracko

 

[DarkShadow20]

So where's the blog update?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

After a first day back in school I come back to what seems to be a wholesome discussion thread...

 

[Idon]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

Now right off the bat I'd say "Are you sure? Pikachu is kinda small for this." and then Nintendo would fire me for not putting in the mascot.
But onto the characters.






I believe this represents the body-types typical in a fighting game whilst also representing the different genres present within Smash while ALSO including popular "iconic" picks along with popular antagonists for espeically large franchises. Hopefully this'll please most people.

 

[Opossum]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

Okay, let's go.

Mandatory:
(honestly I would've included all six anyway, haha)

Additional sixteen:





Honorable mentions go out to R.O.B. and Isabelle.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Alright, after I had just come to terms with the fact K. Rool is finally in Smash, I just realized that every veteran is also coming back, so I'm back to being hyped again.

"Ultimate" could not be a more fitting name. December can't come soon enough.

 

[Freduardo]

I want everyone to play a game.
Name your five favorite series in Smash and name a boss for them.

: Shadow Queen or Petey Piranha
: Bongo Bongo
: Zero 2
: Grima
: Mega Rayquaza

Alright.

Zelda Series: Vaati (I’d take him as a boss character at this point)... Oh fine, Giant Chu Chu

Mario Series: Tatanga ... oh fine, Dry Giga Bowser

Pokémon series: Giratina. ... Oh fine, Arceus

Kirby Series: Dark Matter... Oh Fine, Shadow Queen Sectonia

Star Fox Series: Pigma Dengar Final Boss version from some paths in Stat Fox Command...

Oh fine, just make a boss fight where Slippy “helps” you until you realize you have to take him down.

 

[Iridium]

Alright, after I had just come to terms with the fact K. Rool is finally in Smash, I just realized that every veteran is also coming back, so I'm back to being hyped again.

"Ultimate" could not be a more fitting name. December can't come soon enough.

I'm so glad it releases on a Friday, which gives me more time to actually go out and find a store! I need that limited edition, so I better plan before.

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

So . . .
+

That was a bit hard, to be honest.

Edit: Accidental double post. Can a mod here fix this?

 

[StormC]

Alright, after I had just come to terms with the fact K. Rool is finally in Smash, I just realized that every veteran is also coming back, so I'm back to being hyped again.

"Ultimate" could not be a more fitting name. December can't come soon enough.

I can play as my favorite video game character of all time along with the character I've requested the most to be in Smash .

And we still have more character announcements left! I feel spoiled.

 

[KMDP]

Now right off the bat I'd say "Are you sure? Pikachu is kinda small for this." and then Nintendo would fire me for not putting in the mascot.
But onto the characters.













I believe this represents the body-types typical in a fighting game whilst also representing the different genres present within Smash while ALSO including popular "iconic" picks along with popular antagonists for espeically large franchises.

If Naruto: Clash of Ninja can have the utter horror that is Akamaru. Pikachu is fiiiiiiiine.

 

[Noipoi]

Sakurai really is going out with the fan requests, i'm happy for everyone!

Spoiler

it must be nice to finally get a character you want in the game...

 

[Iridium]

I'm so glad it releases on a Friday, which gives me more time to actually go out and find a store! I need that limited edition, so I better plan before.

Wait. Friday? I have the perfect song for that!

 

[Slavic]

I want everyone to play a game.
Name your five favorite series in Smash and name a boss for them.

: Shadow Queen or Petey Piranha
: Bongo Bongo
: Zero 2
: Grima
: Mega Rayquaza

​

King Garon from Fire Emblem Fates, Giovanni from Pokemon, Man-at-Legs from Pikmin 2, Metal Face from Xenoblade Chronicles, and Wart from Super Mario Bros. 2

 

[StormC]

Sakurai really is going out with the fan requests, i'm happy for everyone!

Spoiler

it must be nice to finally get a character you want in the game...

I waited ten years for K. Rool and Ridley. It is.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

All of these "This is who I would add" and "Ugh, other people would make a terrible director" posts do make me think a lot about how we all have our own ideas and biases on what should or should not get into Smash. It does all lead back to which characters we think would fit in Smash and which wouldn't. I think this does lead to an interesting discussion about what each of us thinks Smash represents to us. I'll keep everything relatively contained in one simple question:

What criteria make a character 'deserve' to be in Smash to you?

Is it if they have a fanbase? Relevance? History with Nintendo? Impact? Any combination of the above?

Let's assume that the roster is as it currently is and all characters who were previously assists are reconfirmed as assists (unless they are already playable). You have the ability to add one more playable character. Doesn't matter if it's unique, or an echo, or promoting someone from an assist/background - you can add the one character you think is most deserving of a slot.

Who do you think is the single most deserving character to be in Smash, and why?

---

When I consider if someone 'deserves' to be in Smash, I'd want someone who's definitely iconic. They should be someone that 90% of gamers (and half of their mothers) would recognize. They should have a fanbase - it doesn't need to be the biggest bandwagony fanbase, but there should still be a large section of fans that would be happy to see that character in. Also, Smash is still at heart a Nintendo game, so a deserving character should either be a prominent first- or second-party character, or a third-party who is incredibly ingrained with Nintendo, either by having major Nintendo games or by being extremely closely associated with Nintendo properties. If they were the first representative of a series, the series should be a major series that is also iconic itself, possibly to the point of being memetic in places, and should have had most of its games highly loved by large portions of the fanbase. A second (or third, or fourth) representative of an existing series should also hold that the series itself is iconic and popular, but should complement the existing member(s) of the series without making the game seem unbalanced in its favor.

With that in mind, The most deserving character for Smash in my mind is Tails.

While Tails is not the most popular member of Sonic's team, he was the first around having joined in Sonic 2, and is incredibly recognizable as Sonic's best friend to the point that he has been called the Luigi to Sonic's Mario. He is instantly recognizable to anyone with even a passing knowledge of the Sonic franchise.

Now the Sonic franchise is third-party, but nobody can think of Sonic without also thinking of Nintendo. Many other companies tried to make their cute mascots, but none were as recognizable as Sonic and Mario, and their rivalry shaped much of the landscape of gaming in the 90s. As someone who grew up with that rivalry, it was phenomenal to see Sonic appear in Brawl, and also the entire franchise that spun out with Mario and Sonic at the Olympics. We had finally gotten to a point where these two bitter rivals were together in a game.

And this brings me to Tails. As Sonic's most well-known companion, there are plenty of parallels drawn between him and Luigi. Both started out with the same abilities as their partner, but started to diverge their own abilities and personalities as time went along. The potential of Mario's and Sonic's closest companions also being able to challenge one another (or even team up) in Smash would bring the intercompany representation to its best extent. Many of my friends from work or former schoolmates, all in their 30s now, all don't react much to most character names that are thrown around, but all of them recognize Tails. They all think that a series as important to the gaming industry and representative of the 90s Sega/Nintendo rivalry era as Sonic should absolutely get another character in Smash, and as Sonic's first and best friend, Tails is their top choice.

It certainly says something when a magazine known for their April Fool's hoaxes managed to trick a lot of people back in 2002 with Sonic and Tails in Melee. It would mean a lot to a lot of people if this really did finally come to pass.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

Olimar,
OG Pig Ganon,
Zelda,
Ken,
Robin,
K. Rool,
Geno,
Roy,
Spinal,
Ivysaur,
Donkey Kong,
Cloud,
Skull Kid,
Ridley,
Samus,
Sly Cooper

 

[Noipoi]

I waited ten years for K. Rool and Ridley. It is.

You saying I gotta wait ten years for Ashley?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Olimar,
OG Pig Ganon,
Zelda,
Ken,
Robin,
K. Rool,
Geno,
Roy,
Spinal,
Ivysaur,
Donkey Kong,
Cloud,
Skull Kid,
Ridley,
Samus,
Sly Cooper

Geno, Spinal and Sly Cooper are not Nintendo characters.

 

[NessSaysOkay]

Other than the fact that everyone is trying to convince everyone else that their opinion is better when as far as I can tell everyone agrees, none of the current discussions have anything for me, So I wanted to ask, If you had 100% control over Smash ultimate charecters what would you do? Most notably, I would add Octoling skins for Inkling, while un-standardizing the amount of charecter skins, (some need more than 8 some don't), and addin Tails, Eggman, Shadow, Monika, and Cuphead as full charecters. Because I am a madman. I would also buff Wii Fit trainer to be the best charecter in the game, see previous statement.

Okay, first of all, I would make Zelda Sheik a thing again (Not ZSS since Final Smash), but instead of Down B, they keep the new Down B and instead press Shield and B. This is now how Pokemon Trainer transforms, Charizard gets Rock Smash back, Ivysaur gets Leech Seed, jumps a bit and throws some Seeds down, only in a small area but if it hits it makes the target unable to move for 2 seconds and has HP drained gradually, at about 3 times per second, for a total of 9% drained (each drain takes 1 on the first second, 2 on the second), Squirtle's water based attacks now do a bit of damage (same with Mario's F.L.U.D.D), and he gets a Down B, Aqua Tail, which does about the range of Mii Brawler's Down Smash, but in a more circular motion, and splashes water. Every character now has 16 alts, 8 default, 8 that are unlocked. Dr.Mario, Pichu, Falco, Young Link, Roy, Lucas, Toon Link, and Wolf are now classified as Half Echos, but still use a number and take a "slot". Chrom is now a half echo, and Alph is promoted from Alt to Echo. Luigi gets some upgrades to be much less clone like, I honestly think even the way he is now would not constitue as a half echo, but this takes it further. He always has a poltergust, and even shoots out a bit of air for his fair, hits upward with the vacuum with his uair, and ends his jab combo with a blow of air. His Up B becomes Riding on the Poltergust like E.Gadd does in Superstar Saga, he rides forward on it, and pressing up or down makes it rotate in either direction. It goes forward in whatever direction it's facing. His Neutral B becomes a Poltergust shot, he shoots out an icy shot of well, ice, that goes down in a 45 degree angle. His Grab now has has him suck the target in. Ganondorf is made completely unique with his Neutral B becoming a magic shot, Down B a spinning sword slice, etc. I would add lots of new features and modes, such as Assist Meters, pick 2 assists, once the meter fills you can use either. Custom Moves are back, and this time even more indepth. Each fighter has 5 choices for each special, and 3 choices for Final Smash. New modes include King Of The Hill, self explanatory, warping arena(the screen wraps, impossible to be KO'd, not allowed on time or stock), and a Break The Targets type side mode, Gliding Waltz, you jump from one area to another that is a large distance and have to use lots of character's techniques (yes one stage for every char). Break The Targets is back, char centric, Board The Platforms and Race To The Finish are back. Now, characters.

Echos:Black Shadow, Isabelle, Ken, Ms.Pac-Man.

Half Echos:Ninten (Ness Specials and Tilts but PK Flash is reskined to be much blacker and now called PSI Darkness, Lucas Smash Attacks and Aerials. Up Smash throws a boomerang instead of Yo-Yo, Forward Air is Sling-Shot), Shadow (Sonic except Up Special is Mewtwo's, a teleport, Fair is Lucas Side Special but is a green arrow thing (Chaos Spear) and just does damage on contact, no fiery result, Dair is Dr.Mario's, Up Smash is Mii Brawler's Piston Punch but a bit shorter and stays on the ground), Dixie Kong (Diddy but Donkey Kong Up B reskinned to be hair based, any tail attacks are replaced with hair, Neutral B goes further but does less damage, reskined to Bubble Gum Gun, Down B Banana goes Straight Up instead of throwing behind) Galacta Knight (Meta Knight but Side B goes faster but always goes straight, Down B is a counter where Galacta Knight vanishes and either appears again confused for a sec, or if hit, teleports behind the attacker and strikes back, Neutral B charges up energy and unleashes a straight blast that can be carried (like Samus Lucario Mewtwo Neutral but instead of a ball it's a straight beam).

Newcomers: Karate Joe, Bandana Dee, Geno, Banjo and Kazooie, Phoenix Wright, Incineroar, Elma, Impa.

DLC: Rex & Pyra, Heihachi, Spring Man, Rayman, Bomberman, Snip & Clip, Crash Bandicoot, Waluigi, Isaac, Quote.

 

[StormC]

You saying I gotta wait ten years for Ashley?

You'd have to field that question to Sakurai.

(but yes)

 

[KMDP]

Geno, Spinal and Sly Cooper are not Nintendo characters.

Neither is Ken.

 

[Arcanir]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

Mandatory:

Everyone else:





That was tough...

I want everyone to play a game.
Name your five favorite series in Smash and name a boss for them.

: Shadow Queen or Petey Piranha
: Bongo Bongo
: Zero 2
: Grima
: Mega Rayquaza

: Stallord
: Omega/Queen Metroid
: Ultra Necrozma
: Medeus
: Vasara

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Spinal

Nice one. At least i'm not the only one cheating

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Torracat > Incineroar

4 Smaaash!

 

[Angelglory]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

Wanted to keep a semi-theme of heroes vs villains/rivals with some fresh faces mixed in.

 

[Will]

Okay, let's go.

Mandatory:
(honestly I would've included all six anyway, haha)

Additional sixteen:





Honorable mentions go out to R.O.B. and Isabelle.

I'm gonna have to keep it real with you chief: you chose Chrom over diversity magic user Robin for what reason?

 

[Nethermoosen]

Geno, Spinal and Sly Cooper are not Nintendo characters.

Missed that part. But that means I can’t have Cloud or Ken, either. Sooooo.....5 more pokemon?! Alright! Breloom, Sableye, Golisopod, Mewtwo, Salazzle.

I dunno. The choices are so hard. Can’t imagine how Sakurai decides on anything having to sell this globally.

Nice one. At least i'm not the only one cheating

Legit one of my favorite characters ever.

 

[Opossum]

I'm gonna have to keep it real with you chief: you chose Chrom over diversity magic user Robin for what reason?

Because he's Chrom, of course.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm gonna have to keep it real with you chief: you chose Chrom over diversity magic user Robin for what reason?

Who do you think you're talking to?

 

[blackghost]

As long as they are fun to play as, I don't care. I'd rather have a fun clone then an unfun original.

"Fun" as a measurement is objectively subjective. Smash thrives on unique inclusions of new characters. While every character is someone's faovrite character, more often than not these characters are better when they have unique traits. ask a ganon player, a link who has played ultimate, Luigi back when he was decloned, or in the future when dark samus and daisy are decloned people wont react negatively i'd bet money on that.

Is marth made lesser because his moveset is in the game 4 times? i'd argue yes. chrome was an interesting attempt at making an intriguing clone but i think they didnt do it well. ike's moveset with marth mechanics would have been better. because right now all we have is a new character that dies offstage for free. even in casual play that wont be well received for many in the fanbase.

 

[HyruleHero]

All of these "This is who I would add" and "Ugh, other people would make a terrible director" posts do make me think a lot about how we all have our own ideas and biases on what should or should not get into Smash. It does all lead back to which characters we think would fit in Smash and which wouldn't. I think this does lead to an interesting discussion about what each of us thinks Smash represents to us. I'll keep everything relatively contained in one simple question:

What criteria make a character 'deserve' to be in Smash to you?

Is it if they have a fanbase? Relevance? History with Nintendo? Impact? Any combination of the above?

Let's assume that the roster is as it currently is and all characters who were previously assists are reconfirmed as assists (unless they are already playable). You have the ability to add one more playable character. Doesn't matter if it's unique, or an echo, or promoting someone from an assist/background - you can add the one character you think is most deserving of a slot.

Who do you think is the single most deserving character to be in Smash, and why?

---

When I consider if someone 'deserves' to be in Smash, I'd want someone who's definitely iconic. They should be someone that 90% of gamers (and half of their mothers) would recognize. They should have a fanbase - it doesn't need to be the biggest bandwagony fanbase, but there should still be a large section of fans that would be happy to see that character in. Also, Smash is still at heart a Nintendo game, so a deserving character should either be a prominent first- or second-party character, or a third-party who is incredibly ingrained with Nintendo, either by having major Nintendo games or by being extremely closely associated with Nintendo properties. If they were the first representative of a series, the series should be a major series that is also iconic itself, possibly to the point of being memetic in places, and should have had most of its games highly loved by large portions of the fanbase. A second (or third, or fourth) representative of an existing series should also hold that the series itself is iconic and popular, but should complement the existing member(s) of the series without making the game seem unbalanced in its favor.

With that in mind, The most deserving character for Smash in my mind is Tails.

While Tails is not the most popular member of Sonic's team, he was the first around having joined in Sonic 2, and is incredibly recognizable as Sonic's best friend to the point that he has been called the Luigi to Sonic's Mario. He is instantly recognizable to anyone with even a passing knowledge of the Sonic franchise.

Now the Sonic franchise is third-party, but nobody can think of Sonic without also thinking of Nintendo. Many other companies tried to make their cute mascots, but none were as recognizable as Sonic and Mario, and their rivalry shaped much of the landscape of gaming in the 90s. As someone who grew up with that rivalry, it was phenomenal to see Sonic appear in Brawl, and also the entire franchise that spun out with Mario and Sonic at the Olympics. We had finally gotten to a point where these two bitter rivals were together in a game.

And this brings me to Tails. As Sonic's most well-known companion, there are plenty of parallels drawn between him and Luigi. Both started out with the same abilities as their partner, but started to diverge their own abilities and personalities as time went along. The potential of Mario's and Sonic's closest companions also being able to challenge one another (or even team up) in Smash would bring the intercompany representation to its best extent. Many of my friends from work or former schoolmates, all in their 30s now, all don't react much to most character names that are thrown around, but all of them recognize Tails. They all think that a series as important to the gaming industry and representative of the 90s Sega/Nintendo rivalry era as Sonic should absolutely get another character in Smash, and as Sonic's first and best friend, Tails is their top choice.

It certainly says something when a magazine known for their April Fool's hoaxes managed to trick a lot of people back in 2002 with Sonic and Tails in Melee. It would mean a lot to a lot of people if this really did finally come to pass.

From what you said my prime candidate for smash is... Sora from Kingdom Hearts.

while his main games havent appeared on nintendo side games (chain of memories, coded and dream drop distance) that are relevant to the plot did. Clouds big Nintendo appearance was in Kingdom Hearts as well.

majority of gamers would recognise Sora as a character (or at least his key or franchise). considering Sora's big game is coming out a month after smash I think smash is great marketing for them. With Square and Nintendo being all buddy-buddy now I can see this happening.

On a side note Dragon Quest is a popular Square game as well and has had a dominating appearance on Nintendo so I could see the Hero appearing in smash although I'd prefer Sora.

 

[CannonStreak]

Who do you think you're talking to?

I think he's talking about yo mama. No offense.

But hey, it's still cool if you want Chrom over Robin.

 

[osby]

You saying I gotta wait ten years for Ashley?

We all know all characters with a fan demand younger than ten years are added only because of relevance.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

even in casual play that wont be well received for many in the fanbase.

Dude, the casual fanbase plays who they like.

If they like Chrom, and there's a lot of people who do, they'll enjoy him.

 

[DevaAshera]

"Fun" as a measurement is objectively subjective. Smash thrives on unique inclusions of new characters. While every character is someone's faovrite character, more often than not these characters are better when they have unique traits. ask a ganon player, a link who has played ultimate, Luigi back when he was decloned, or in the future when dark samus and daisy are decloned people wont react negatively i'd bet money on that.

Is marth made lesser because his moveset is in the game 4 times? i'd argue yes. chrome was an interesting attempt at making an intriguing clone but i think they didnt do it well. ike's moveset with marth mechanics would have been better. because right now all we have is a new character that dies offstage for free. even in casual play that wont be well received for many in the fanbase.

Never said they weren't.

Also, that is also all objectively subjective, just saying.

 

[KMDP]

Wanted to keep a semi-theme of heroes vs villains/rivals with some fresh faces mixed in.

Ah yes, Inkling and Rex & Pyra. Truly the foulest of villains. XD

Can’t imagine how Sakurai decides on anything having to sell this globally.

A small glimpse into Sakurai's pain.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I want everyone to play a game.
Name your five favorite series in Smash and name a boss for them.

Totem Kommo-o
Thanatos
Volvagia
Fomortiis
Bashmaster (The Polar Bear)

 

[StormC]

I just want Nintendo Vs. Capcom so Ridley can fight at his canon size a la Sentinel.