Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Kirby Dragons]

Can I ask for an explanation as to why? Simply curious. Totally your opinion, I'd just like to hear another point of view, that's all.
From what I see, they just add a few more neat, well-liked characters and gameplay opportunities.

Alright, I'll give my honest opinions.

Spoiler

As I've said, I don't like the same character being playable multiple times, explaining .

I feel like is completely meritless. Maybe he was semi-popular in the one game he was in, but that shouldn't warrant more than a palette swap. I also feel is completely meritless. After all, the whole reason he was added to Smash was as a joke character.

Fire Emblem having seven characters is ridiculous, especially since four of them have roughly the same moveset. And maybe Awakening revived the franchise, but it's no excuse to have all three of its main characters playable.

is also meritless to me. He may have affected the Castlevania series, but that doesn't really count for anything here. At least someone like Shadow is well known, even among non-Sonic fans, and reasonably popular.

Lemme close with this. I'm a little sick of how every single veteran is held so holy. Gothitelle is someone that we're mostly saying would be a completely random choice, yet if she actually makes the roster, she's now a sacred part of Smash and you're not supposed to be against her. Yes, every character has fans, but you can say the same exact thing about everyone who's never been in Smash.

 

[Nethermoosen]

The best Link. No question. No joke.

That's not even nostalgia talking, because Ocarina of Time isn't even my favourite Zelda (Wind Waker and Minish Cap are).

And who could forget his famous quote, “...............hut!”

 

[Noipoi]

This brings me to the thought of where they could possibly go after this.

The two routes I've considered are porting Ultimate and beefing it up with a bunch of new characters and stages and all that every few years...
...or rebooting Smash into a full-on 2D fighter, like Guilty Gear.

I think Sakurai said the Ultimate could've gone two ways, either a major gameplay revamp, or bringing everyone back. Clearly he brought everyone back.
The next Smash game after this will probably be a major gameplay revamp.

 

[Chrono.]

The best Link. No question. No joke.

That's not even nostalgia talking, because Ocarina of Time isn't even my favourite Zelda (Wind Waker and Minish Cap are).

MY MAN.

Yeah, he's always been my favorite VA for Link. I was pretty happy to hear him again in HW as Fierce Deity, even if they were just (sadly) reused clips.

 

[Luigi The President]

Alright, I'll give my honest opinions.

Spoiler

As I've said, I don't like the same character being playable multiple times, explaining .

I feel like is completely meritless. Maybe he was semi-popular in the one game he was in, but that shouldn't warrant more than a palette swap. I also feel is completely meritless. After all, the whole reason he was added to Smash was as a joke character.

Fire Emblem having seven characters is ridiculous, especially since four of them have roughly the same moveset. And maybe Awakening revived the franchise, but it's no excuse to have all three of its main characters playable.

is also meritless to me. He may have affected the Castlevania series, but that doesn't really count for anything here. At least someone like Shadow is well known, even among non-Sonic fans, and reasonably popular.

Lemme close with this. I'm a little sick of how every single veteran is held so holy. Gothitelle is someone that we're mostly saying would be a completely random choice, yet if she actually makes the roster, she's now a sacred part of Smash and you're not supposed to be against her. Yes, every character has fans, but you can say the same exact thing about everyone who's never been in Smash.

For me, it's not that I see them as holy, it's that every character has a fan. I see no reason to remove these easy-to-develop characters from the game that have got their own fanbases just by every other character. It just feels unfair to me and there's no point to it.
Unfortunately, I think we can just agree to disagree here!
I see your opinion and respect it my friend. Understandable points.

 

[Untouch]

False alarm, the blog is up, it's Rathalos.
No Character yet though.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I know we talk about potential newcomers, stages, items, assist trophies, music, etc. But what do you want to see for regular old trophies?

I’m hoping we can get decent trophies for the Metal Gear solid franchise this time around.

 

[Malkior7]

You thought the next character to be revealed was Isaac, Geno, or SKull KId but in fact

 

[YoshiandToad]

We talking about who we'd cut if we were in charge?

Probably about 30% of the roster for me at this point...

 

[KMDP]

And who could forget his famous quote, “...............hut!”

He has the best falling/heavy damage soundbite.
---
So... I was drawing an image of Isaac. Then my cat decided he wanted to sit on me, so... I guess the picture will have to stay at ~80% done until he decides to leave.

 

[Idon]

like Guilty Gear.

Oh yeah, that is the DREAM.

Course, it would practically kill the casual fanbase which would generate a massive net loss in income for Nintendo, but the thought of a game with the cast of Smash balanced around a competitive environment with support towards the competitive side, woof.

 

[Noipoi]

I know we talk about potential newcomers, stages, items, assist trophies, music, etc. But what do you want to see for regular old trophies?

I’m hoping we can get decent trophies for the Metal Gear solid franchise this time around.

POIPOLE!


Also Dimentio.

 

[Nethermoosen]

He has the best falling/heavy damage soundbite.
---
So... I was drawing an image of Isaac. Then my cat decided he wanted to sit on me, so... I guess the picture will have to stay at ~80% done until he decides to leave.

Oh, yeah I used to think he said “Aieat...****”
The curse word I mean has to do with manure as an expletive.

 

[Zinith]

He has the best falling/heavy damage soundbite.
---
So... I was drawing an image of Isaac. Then my cat decided he wanted to sit on me, so... I guess the picture will have to stay at ~80% done until he decides to leave.

He sounds like a little boy who got a booboo when he takes fall damage.... which makes sense considering he never grew up naturally

 

[Chrono.]

I know we talk about potential newcomers, stages, items, assist trophies, music, etc. But what do you want to see for regular old trophies?

I’m hoping we can get decent trophies for the Metal Gear solid franchise this time around.

Some Mega Man trophies that aren't just classic and X would be pretty cool.

Like Tron Bonne, Bass.EXE, Geo with Omega-Xis (not transformed, before anyone comes with the smart-ass reply ), Ciel, Girouette, etc etc.

 

[KMDP]

Oh yeah, that is the DREAM.

Course, it would practically kill the casual fanbase which would generate a massive net loss in income for Nintendo, but the thought of a game with the cast of Smash balanced around a competitive environment with support towards the competitive side, woof.

Solution: get ArcSys to make a Nintendo-franchise fighting game.

Have it run concurrently alongside Smash, instead of replacing it.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh yeah, that is the DREAM.

Course, it would practically kill the casual fanbase which would generate a massive net loss in income for Nintendo, but the thought of a game with the cast of Smash balanced around a competitive environment with support towards the competitive side, woof.

Solution: get ArcSys to make a Nintendo-franchise fighting game.

Can't wait for Super Smash Bros. Xrd Rev 2!


I'd love to have a traditional fighting game with Nintendo characters even if it will never happen. Not necessarily instead of Smash, but in a world where Ultimate exists, I shouldn't need any other Smash game.

 

[Idon]

If it gets us Nobuyuki Hiyama as Link again I'm all for it.

My favorite thing about Hyrule Warriors Young Link is when he puts on the mask to become the Fierce Deity, he gets all his old OoT voicelines back. Combined with the Young Link sounds, playing him is a huge nostalgia trip.

 

[KMDP]

Oh, yeah I used to think he said “Aieat...****”
The curse word I mean has to do with manure as an expletive.

He sounds like a little boy who got a booboo when he takes fall damage.... which makes sense considering he never grew up naturally

I was actually talking about the "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!" not the "AICHEE!" that comes after, but that's great too.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I see people are talking predictions again, I'll give it a shot too:

Newcomers:
Isaac
Geno
Skull Kid
A Pokemon (my bet is currently on Gardevoir)
Another 3rd party (most likely from a publisher not currently represented)
A second Namco rep - To balance the 3rd parties (Sega - Sonic and Bayonetta, Capcom - Mega Man and Ryu, Konami - Snake and Simon, Square Enix - Cloud and hypothetically Geno)

Echoes:
Shadow (Sonic)
Ken (Ryu)
Ms. Pac-Man
Zach (Cloud)
An echo of whatever the 3rd party is (depending on who that is)
Dixie Kong (Diddy)
Black Shadow (Captain Falcon)
Medusa (Palutena)
Ninten (Lucas)

Maybe:
Isabelle (Echo) - I don't think she is as much of a lock as I used to think, considering Ashley is still an assist trophy and I believe she is more popular. Unless the fact she would be an echo gives her an edge.
Marx or Bandana Dee - if Sakurai thinks Kirby needs a 4th character, I think it would be 1 of these 2.
Hilda (Echo) - She would be a good choice to pad out the roster if development time allowed it, especially since it would increase the amount of Zelda characters.
Black Knight (Echo) - If they want to add more Fire Emblem characters he seems like an alright choice.

3rd Party possibilities:
Banjo-Kazooie - I personally think they have a good chance considering the relationship Nintendo and Microsoft currently have, but they wouldn't have an echo.
Shantae - Long history with Nintendo, popularity in the East and West, moveset potentially. Maybe not as likely as some other choices, but certainly more than a 0% chance. Also no echo.
Rayman - Once again, Ubisoft has a good relationship with Nintendo this generation, Rabbids worked with Mario, Rayman already has his foot in the door with the Smash 4 trophies. I think his echo could be Barbara.
For the potential second Namco rep, I think the options are Agumon, Klonoa, and Nightmare (although I would absolutely prefer Xianghua).

Edit: I totally forgot that I think Elma and a retro character are likely (I just have no idea who, there are too many possibilities and Sakurai is too unpredictable).
I also realized that this is a far cry from my original prediction of 7-8 new characters, but these echoes, man, they've changed everything.

 

[WolfCypher]

Alright, I'll give my honest opinions.

Spoiler

(Richter) is also meritless to me. He may have affected the Castlevania series, but that doesn't really count for anything here. At least someone like Shadow is well known, even among non-Sonic fans, and reasonably popular.

I pretty much agree with everything but let me try to put a spin on Richter at least. I feel if Simon had gotten in with the moveset he has, which is based around Richter from Rondo, people would have complained or questioned "if they were going to just Richterfy Simon anyway, why not use Richter then?" But then you'd have the camp wondering how the OG Castlervania poster boy didn't get in as the rep of his franchise. So I like this compromise. Those who want the original NES face of the series have Simon...whose moves are borrowed from Richter, who would have fan people arguing that he might as well been in, instead, so keep them both.
How would people have felt if Richter was an "Alph" alt instead...

 

[ColietheGoalie]

I’d cut it back down to the original 12, then start adding as many unique fighters as I could, based on who’s important to each series.

 

[CannonStreak]

Let's see, judging by what most people are guessing, I'd say that...

Isaac
Skull Kid
Geno
Dixie
Bandana Dee
Ken
Shadow
Isabelle
Pokemon Rep.

And maybe...

Banjo-Kazooie
Rayman
Shantae

Are among the likely candidates who are left to be revealed (feel free to point out any I missed). But I do think there WILL be a surprise character that isn't among these that no one is expecting. If I may ask, who do you guys possibly think could be the surprise, unpredicted character?

 

[Deleted member]

The real reason why Pokemon Trainer has to deal with it is because "everyone is here" means he has to come back alongside his Pokemon.

I got an alert I was quoted, but I see no message.
What gives?

 

[kylexv]

Who would I cut?

Nobody. Except maybe Richter but who knows. I'd rather not exclude anyone, and Sakurai feels that too in a way.

 

[praline]

Let's see, judging by what most people are guessing, I'd say that...

Isaac
Skull Kid
Geno
Dixie
Bandana Dee
Ken
Shadow
Isabelle
Pokemon Rep.

And maybe...

Banjo-Kazooie
Rayman
Shantae

Are among the likely candidates who are left to be revealed (feel free to point out any I missed). But I do think there WILL be a surprise character that isn't among these that no one is expecting. If I may ask, who do you guys possibly think could be the surprise, unpredicted character?

A Resident Evil or Dragon Quest character would be a cool surprise. I’ll keep saying it but they’re the last 2 third parties that should have representation.

 

[KMDP]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

 

[Noipoi]

Let's see, judging by what most people are guessing, I'd say that...

Isaac
Skull Kid
Geno
Dixie
Bandana Dee
Ken
Shadow
Isabelle
Pokemon Rep.

And maybe...

Banjo-Kazooie
Rayman
Shantae

Are among the likely candidates who are left to be revealed (feel free to point out any I missed). But I do think there WILL be a surprise character that isn't among these that no one is expecting. If I may ask, who do you guys possibly think could be the surprise, unpredicted character?

Cooking Mama.
That was a joke, but I actually do want Cooking Mama.

 

[Pakky]

Spoiler: Akuma

 

[Paperchampion23]

Let's see, judging by what most people are guessing, I'd say that...

Isaac
Skull Kid
Geno
Dixie
Bandana Dee
Ken
Shadow
Isabelle
Pokemon Rep.

And maybe...

Banjo-Kazooie
Rayman
Shantae

Are among the likely candidates who are left to be revealed (feel free to point out any I missed). But I do think there WILL be a surprise character that isn't among these that no one is expecting. If I may ask, who do you guys possibly think could be the surprise, unpredicted character?

I'm literally in 2 mindsets right now. We either get your entire first list at once (if Sakurai pulls everything from the Ballot and based on Loz's and Vergeben's rumors), or we get a few of them mixed with a few surprises nobody really thought of.

 

[Noipoi]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

.Peach
.Daisy
.Wario
.Waluigi
.Ashley
.Inkling
.DK
.Samus
.Yoshi
.Poipole
You can tell which are "Nintendo" choices and which two are "Noipoi" choices.

 

[Luminario]

Here's a fun game for you all.

Create a combo echo similar to Chrom. The proportions need to be similar to another character, but you can borrow attacks from other fighters regardless of proportions. Bonus points for cross-series efforts.

For example, Liquid Snake as a Snake echo. However, one of his specials will be the Duck Hunt one where he summons the outlaws. However, they will instead be guards from Shadow Moses Island. Instead of shouting "draw" they'll do the iconic "!" alert noise.

This has probably been covered already but a Hilda echo of with tilts (maybe not up tilt cause it's very different from Zelda's). Also Phantom Slash summons Ravio out of a painting to do Fsmash with the hammer.

 

[Dixie Kong]

So if Dixie gets in, that will be 4 DK reps. And if Bandanna Dee gets in, 4 Kirby Reps. Metroid now has 4 reps as well. If Medusa gets in, Kid Icarus will have four reps. Too bad Krystal didn’t get in, Star Fox would then have 4 reps also.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Not sure if I'm late, but Sheik is confirmed to have a different Final Smash

****, that's sick

 

[KMDP]

.Peach
.Daisy
.Wario
.Waluigi
.Ashley
.Inkling
.DK
.Samus
.Yoshi
.Poipole
You can tell which are "Nintendo" choices and which two are "Noipoi" choices.

Oh, heavens, I cannot tell at all!

It's Wario and DK, right?

Also, you still have 6 slots left! I said it was a 22 character roster.

 

[Roberk]

If I had complete control over Smash: I'd give the reins back to Sakurai, because if he's built the series up this far then I don't trust anyone else with it. Sure, some of his decisions have been flawed, but I don't think any of ours would've been better compared to how much he got right.

 

[Chrono.]

Spoiler: Akuma

Cool beans.

As much I want Ken in, I could argue it makes just as much sense for Akuma to join as an echo for Ryu. Obviously having all 3 would be the dream though.

At the very least, I hope we get what I think is his best theme in the series, KILLING MOON from 3rd Strike.

Not only does it go hard but it also fits Ryu's stage and it's aesthetic (not that that really matters in the grand scheme of things, but it's a nice bonus.)

 

[Zinith]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

Yoshi
Fox
Ike
Shulk
Kirby
Zelda
Pit
Meta Knight
Wario
Captain Falcon
Ness
Samus
Donkey Kong
Ganondorf
Peach

Spoiler

Boshi

 

[kylexv]

Okay, let's play a game.

I was thinking "What would happen if Nintendo asked ArcSys to make a fighting game, but told them 'As long as it has [these characters], we don't care who else is in it.'"

So...

You're making a new Nintendo fighting game with 22 characters in it, Nintendo has told you that you must include:

• Mario
• Luigi
• Bowser
• Link
• Pikachu
• Marth

Other than that, you can choose anyone as a fighter so long as they are Nintendo characters. In short, pick 16 characters for your hypothetical Nintendo fighting game.

ultinkling:

 

[KMDP]

Yoshi
Fox
Ike
Shulk
Kirby
Zelda
Pit
Meta Knight
Wario
Captain Falcon
Ness
Samus
Donkey Kong
Ganondorf
Peach

Spoiler

Boshi

I'm surprised it wasn't many Yoshi of different colours.