Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Does Fulgore have a reflect move in the original KI? I've only played the remake and I'm fairly certain he doesn't have one there.

I forget if it's in the N64 version, but it's in the Gameboy version for sure. SNES I think so too, but I didn't play it as much.

All the mods that put Peach and Zelda in pants/sports outfits/strikers gear or whatever always look really off to me because they're still standing and moving like they're wearing dresses. Just because you can put them in those outfits doesn't mean it'll look good.

Thank. You. Mods don't work sometimes because they forget the important part, the reanimations. It's the reason I gagged at the best Isabelle over Villager one(Smash 4 mod). It was beyond unfinished. Nothing looked right. Isabelle didn't even smile, for cripes' sake. >.<

 

[Will]

Does Fulgore have a reflect move in the original KI? I've only played the remake and I'm fairly certain he doesn't have one there.

I believe he has one. He does like a weird uppercut thing that reflects projectiles in the original.

 

[Deleted member]

Grrr... the char you want can't get in cause the char I want has to get in grrr...

BARK BARK! HISSSSSSS... NAYYYY! ROOOOAR!

 

[Mc.Rad]

YES


Also pet peeve: I get why Black Shadow, but compared to most F-Zero characters, I find it boring. There's so many F-Zero Echo Fighter opportunities. Even James Mccloud would be a hilarious nod.

I just think that besides Blood Falcon, there's like no Echo-able character (unless you really try to stretch it) for Falcon. It be more of a waste for that character to be an echo for Falcon, than their own newcomer

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I just think that besides Blood Falcon, there's like no Echo-able character (unless you really try to stretch it) for Falcon. It be more of a waste for that character to be an echo for Falcon, than their own newcomer

It's part of why I feel Black Shadow would work better using Ganondorf as a base, though I'd rather they took Ganondorf's 4 moveset and placed it onto Black Shadow instead. He feels better that way, which means we have 3 similar but distinct movesets now. Black Shadow is the slowest, Ganondorf is now more medium speed, and Falcon is the fastest.

 

[DJ3DS]

Grrr... the char you want can't get in cause the char I want has to get in grrr...

BARK BARK! HISSSSSSS... NAYYYY! ROOOOAR!

The character I want is in.

Where is your god now?

 

[Bionichute]

Grrr... the char you want can't get in cause the char I want has to get in grrr...

BARK BARK! HISSSSSSS... NAYYYY! ROOOOAR!

theres no pictures of rockruff and litten fighting so this is the second best thing i could think of

 

[Luminario]

But what's the point in talking about it then

Is there a point in discussing anything on this site? The game is all done. I like Gardevoir and Gothitelle and I'd like the fake leak to be real so I wanna discuss them.

That's almost the same as in the anime. Gardevoir's legs are severely longer. Also, thank you for spoilering that considering the nature of the image, heh.

Yep, definitely a different size. That said, its legs are often ignored during animations like it floating around to simplify things. It's present in even Sun and Moon where its running animation is more like floating like a ghost. Weird.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...on-XY-1.gif/revision/latest?cb=20160706063531 Ugh, I hate when the site won't properly show images. Here's a link.

I know there's a large difference in leg length, but unless Gardevoir long legs are specifically used in attacks it shouldn't be anything a quick animation change won't fix. They could even make Gothitelle's legs longer if it matters enough to the dev team. If Garde isn't flying around like an acrobat throwing out legs for days, then Gothi should work well as an echo. I agree that if there's any leg attack further than Gothi's stubbly legs can reach then it's not gonna work.

 

[DraginHikari]

All the mods that put Peach and Zelda in pants/sports outfits/strikers gear or whatever always look really off to me because they're still standing and moving like they're wearing dresses. Just because you can put them in those outfits doesn't mean it'll look good.

This. There is a reason Zelda and Peach walk cycles differ so greatly. Walking or Running normally in any outfit the hangs looses over the legs would likely result in someone falling on their face. Without the long part of the outfit that hides the different walking or running animation it just looks off putting or nonsensical because people don't normally move in that manner.

 

[Will]

Is there a point in discussing anything on this site? The game is all done. I like Gardevoir and Gothitelle and I'd like the fake leak to be real so I wanna discuss them.

okay but you literally called it fake yourself like you know it's not legit
these are a lot of loopholes man

 

[PeridotGX]

I just think that besides Blood Falcon, there's like no Echo-able character (unless you really try to stretch it) for Falcon. It be more of a waste for that character to be an echo for Falcon, than their own newcomer

Blaziken? I've seen model swaps that look good, a few professional touch-ups would make it work great. Plus, Blaziken is a very popular Pokémon.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Grrr... the char you want can't get in cause the char I want has to get in grrr...

BARK BARK! HISSSSSSS... NAYYYY! ROOOOAR!

Here's an idea. Each character support thread choose a champion, each champion choose his weapon, we put them in the blooddome and then...

...they argue to death until there's only one left...

The survivor gets to have his newcomer as well as eternal remorse.

 

[Noipoi]

Woah buddy, calm down a little.

He’s trying to say that it would be a lot harder to make Incineroar stand out compared to other candidates since his moveset and playstyle (and even physique) would be a lot more reminiscent to other fighters than someone like Decidueye or Lycanroc, who have aspects that make them unique to all their own.

I'm perfectly calm bud. I just think i'm gonna have to have the Wikipedia article about heel wrestlers and how rad they are on standby for whenever someone says Incineroar wouldn't be original.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I just think that besides Blood Falcon, there's like no Echo-able character (unless you really try to stretch it) for Falcon. It be more of a waste for that character to be an echo for Falcon, than their own newcomer

There is one but he was exclusive to AX, the Arcade game.

Fella by the name of Phoenix

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Is there a point in discussing anything on this site? The game is all done. I like Gardevoir and Gothitelle and I'd like the fake leak to be real so I wanna discuss them.

I know there's a large difference in leg length, but unless Gardevoir long legs are specifically used in attacks it shouldn't be anything a quick animation change won't fix. They could even make Gothitelle's legs longer if it matters enough to the dev team. If Garde isn't flying around like an acrobat throwing out legs for days, then Gothi should work well as an echo. I agree that if there's any leg attack further than Gothi's stubbly legs can reach then it's not gonna work.

That's not a quick animation. Those are completely different movement patterns. You're forgetting how they jump. Gardevoir dances around and skips when running alone. There's little reason to make it waddle like a penguin(which Gothitelle can't even move at the same speed with tiny legs) just for the sake of it. They can't move the same speed, have vastly different animations, their skeletons are outright different to begin with(there's slight similarities in their models, but again, 100% different dress animations). It's not the kicks alone. It's how they jump. Gothitelle's entire dress barely changes. It can't just flow upwards at all during a jump. It barely bends. Gardevoir's dress is more like a bunch of ribbons.

 

[Chrono.]

There is one but he was exclusive to AX, the Arcade game.

Fella by the name of Phoenix

He was in both games. Though you had to go out of your way to unlock the AX content in GX.

 

[John Dylan Smith]

People are still talking about the Gardevoir leak?

Let me spell it out:

IT. IS. FAKE.

IT IS AS REAL AS ANY OTHER 4CHAN LEAK, WHICH IS FAKE.

PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

This has been a Public Service Announcement.

Preach on good sir (Although it feels as if more Smash Bros Ultimate announcements can't get here fast enough to kill all the fake leaks in the same way August Smash Ultimate put 20 million bullets in so many other leaks that were made prior to the direct)!

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Out of curiosity, since Diablo 3 is now on the Switch, I wouldn't mind seeing any Blizzard content later as DLC in terms of a new character, stage, ATs, even music. Granted its impractical for a Blizzard character to be in Smash because the roster as we see it are fan-favorite picks from the ballot, but its not entirely impossible. Doesn't mean it'll happen in any regard, but there are plenty of iconic franchises left to represent imo. I'm not entirely a die-hard Blizzard fan, so I may have trouble with some of the choices I'd see work.

I'm only doing characters & assist trophies for now :

Fighters: Tracer- granted I chose her as an assist trophy a long pages back (those who've seen it would know), but I thought, you know what, why not bump her up to a playable status.

Overwatch is one of Blizzard's most iconic franchises, right up there with War/StarCraft series. Its aesthetic vibe perfectly fits Smash Bros for its wide spread of color that brings characters to life and the community is still going strong as of late.

In other words, I'd say her design & personality really fits Smash in my book. I won't cover up all of her movesets, but her's could be her dual pulse pistols, her "Blink" teleportation, Recall and her Pulse Bomb as her Final Smash. If I were to push myself for more (though one would be enough) would be Widowmaker. She's sort of the big arch enemy of Tracer, hence the few shorts that featured both of them.

(Fun Fact: did you know in Overwatch, that special ability meter when it is all charged up, and that character unleashes their abilities, yeah, kinda like what Smash Bros does when the character gets the Final Smash, they perform a special ability, its spelled with a U.)

Assist Trophies: I only have two (technically 4) in mind:
Winston from Overwatch
Eric, Baelog, & Olaf from the Lost Vikings.

What I can see Winston as an assist is that he can roam around the stage attacking the opponents, utilizing his powers such as his jump pack & the Barrier Projector, but when he gets attacked, he unleashes his "Primal Rage" ability and becomes much stronger with his attacks doing massive damage towards the opponent or more (Upwards to possibly 60% damage).

For the Lost Vikings, I believe are a lot more complicated to implement, but I'll make it short & sweet. Each viking has a different ability, Olaf is the defense, Baelog is the brute strength that gets in anyone's way, and Eric is more ranged thanks to his slingshot. One that gets knocked out means all of them are out as well (because balance is key).

Anyone like to share? or just keep talking about these arbitrary leaks all day...

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Jody Summer could be a Falcon echo. It'd satisfy having more F-Zero and more female characters; a 2 birds with one stone sort of deal.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Woah buddy, calm down a little.

He’s trying to say that it would be a lot harder to make Incineroar stand out compared to other candidates since his moveset and playstyle (and even physique) would be a lot more reminiscent to other fighters than someone like Decidueye or Lycanroc, who have aspects that make them unique to all their own.

Wouldn't Decidueye also have problems standing out since we already have a winged archer?

 

[RileyXY1]

Out of curiosity, since Diablo 3 is now on the Switch, I wouldn't mind seeing any Blizzard content later as DLC in terms of a new character, stage, ATs, even music. Granted its impractical for a Blizzard character to be in Smash because the roster as we see it are fan-favorite picks from the ballot, but its not entirely impossible. Doesn't mean it'll happen in any regard, but there are plenty of iconic franchises left to represent imo. I'm not entirely a die-hard Blizzard fan, so I may have trouble with some of the choices I'd see work.

I'm only doing characters & assist trophies for now :

Fighters: Tracer- granted I chose her as an assist trophy a long pages back (those who've seen it would know), but I thought, you know what, why not bump her up to a playable status.

Overwatch is one of Blizzard's most iconic franchises, right up there with War/StarCraft series. Its aesthetic vibe perfectly fits Smash Bros for its wide spread of color that brings characters to life and the community is still going strong as of late.

In other words, I'd say her design & personality really fits Smash in my book. I won't cover up all of her movesets, but her's could be her dual pulse pistols, her "Blink" teleportation, Recall and her Pulse Bomb as her Final Smash. If I were to push myself for more (though one would be enough) would be Widowmaker. She's sort of the big arch enemy of Tracer, hence the few shorts that featured both of them.

(Fun Fact: did you know in Overwatch, that special ability meter when it is all charged up, and that character unleashes their abilities, yeah, kinda like what Smash Bros does when the character gets the Final Smash, they perform a special ability, its spelled with a U.)

Assist Trophies: I only have two (technically 4) in mind:
Winston from Overwatch
Eric, Baelog, & Olaf from the Lost Vikings.

What I can see Winston as an assist is that he can roam around the stage attacking the opponents, utilizing his powers such as his jump pack & the Barrier Projector, but when he gets attacked, he unleashes his "Primal Rage" ability and becomes much stronger with his attacks doing massive damage towards the opponent or more (Upwards to possibly 60% damage).

For the Lost Vikings, I believe are a lot more complicated to implement, but I'll make it short & sweet. Each viking has a different ability, Olaf is the defense, Baelog is the brute strength that gets in anyone's way, and Eric is more ranged thanks to his slingshot. One that gets knocked out means all of them are out as well (because balance is key).

Anyone like to share? or just keep talking about these arbitrary leaks all day...

Just because a game is on the Switch does not mean that they should have representation in Smash.

 

[Icedragonadam]

John Dylan Smith Careful there, you can't double post.

Jody Summer could be a Falcon echo. It'd satisfy having more F-Zero and more female characters; a 2 birds with one stone sort of deal.

I think Mrs. Arrow would fit better in that case.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I prefer Incineroar over Decidueye or Lycanroc because he's got this cool wrestler thing going on.

 

[Koopaul]

That's not a quick animation. Those are completely different movement patterns. You're forgetting how they jump. Gardevoir dances around and skips when running alone. There's little reason to make it waddle like a penguin(which Gothitelle can't even move at the same speed with tiny legs) just for the sake of it. They can't move the same speed, have vastly different animations, their skeletons are outright different to begin with(there's slight similarities in their models, but again, 100% different dress animations). It's not the kicks alone. It's how they jump. Gothitelle's entire dress barely changes. It can't just flow upwards at all during a jump. It barely bends. Gardevoir's dress is more like a bunch of ribbons.

If they make Gardevior levitate and not use her legs, they might be able to pull is off. As for the dress, just don't give it a hurtbox. The Koopalings have different shaped and sized hair that flows and moves diffferently from one another.

Still, I don't believe it's true. It would still be too hard to pull off.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

That's almost the same as in the anime. Gardevoir's legs are severely longer.

I know there's a large difference in leg length, but unless Gardevoir long legs are specifically used in attacks it shouldn't be anything a quick animation change won't fix. They could even make Gothitelle's legs longer if it matters enough to the dev team. If Garde isn't flying around like an acrobat throwing out legs for days, then Gothi should work well as an echo. I agree that if there's any leg attack further than Gothi's stubbly legs can reach then it's not gonna work.

Won't be a problem, they can use this sweet shrinking technology they've used on Ridley, except on Gardevoir's legs.

Joking aside i don't think leg length is a big deal. If Gothitelle doesn't make it into the game it certainly won't be because her legs are too short i mean there plenty of other reasons... no?

 

[Chrono.]

I prefer Incineroar over Decidueye or Lycanroc because he's got this cool wrestler thing going on.

A man of culture right here.

Spoiler

In a vacuum I like all 3 though

 

[John Dylan Smith]

John Dylan Smith Careful there, you can't double post.



I think Mrs. Arrow would fit better in that case.

There's no delete button for the stuff I post (You guys should see about fixing it to where you can delete certain post you make)!

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Just because a game is on the Switch does not mean that they should have representation in Smash.

Didn't say it was gonna happen now did I. Not even once. but that's what Smashboards is for, something unlikely can be something interesting, even if its not happening.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

So uh... I know Zinith is probably gonna be the only one interested in this but...

Spoiler

https://www.deviantart.com/nin10doug/art/Super-Smash-Bros-Boshi-677219510

If Boshi is redesigned like this for Ultimate? Sign me the **** up.

 

[Noipoi]

I prefer Incineroar over Decidueye or Lycanroc because he's got this cool wrestler thing going on.

A man of culture right here.

Spoiler

In a vacuum I like all 3 though

Ah, I see I share this board with men (or women) of taste.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There's no delete button for the stuff I post (You guys should see about fixing it to where you can delete certain post you make)!

I deleted the extra post. Your edit showed you intentionally meant to fix it. Only the Moderation can delete a post in the forum proper.

 

[Opossum]

Bowser's Flying Slam and K. Rool's up throw do not make them dedicated wrestlers.

The Pits and the Links using their bows for only their neutral specials does not make them dedicated archers.

 

[Dee Dude]

Gardevoir leak is fake?
Good, didn’t want her in, felt way too random and I can’t imagine a single person that asked for Gothitelle when there are better Pokemon to choose from.

 

[Nazyrus]

Grrr... the char you want can't get in cause the char I want has to get in grrr...

BARK BARK! HISSSSSSS... NAYYYY! ROOOOAR!

lol i was away most of the day and i was gonna ask if i missed something, but I guess this is a good summary already

 

[Wyoming]

Jody Summer could be a Falcon echo. It'd satisfy having more F-Zero and more female characters; a 2 birds with one stone sort of deal.

She's not quite...Falcon's physique though.

One that never gets a mention is Beastman I guess. He shares a similar build and has a whole "man with the beasts" schtick. Replace Falcon Punch with something like Reptile Punch and it would work.

 

[Aerospherology]

Just a very unlikely guess: an arcade port.

There would be exclusive characters in there that you would unlock by using the NFC reader. But, to use Ultimate DLC characters, you would need to sign into your Nintendo account. And modes like Classic, All-Star, or Adventure would be exclusive to Ultimate.

Again, it's impossible that it would ever happen.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Sorry did I miss something? The Gardevior/Gothitelle leak has been disproven?

 

[Noipoi]

Okay it was incredibly obvious from the beginning that the Gardevoir leak was fake, but why are we declaring it now?
Is there proof?

 

[TheDukeofDorks]

I just think that besides Blood Falcon, there's like no Echo-able character (unless you really try to stretch it) for Falcon. It be more of a waste for that character to be an echo for Falcon, than their own newcomer

How dare you ignore the beautiful potential of "Rainbow Punch!"

 

[DarkFalcon]

Okay it was incredibly obvious from the beginning that the Gardevoir leak was fake, but why are we declaring it now?
Is there proof?

Idk I've been gone most of the day. I thought it was pretty clearly fake (even though I'd like Gardevoir). I thought most of the people here thought it was fake as well barring a few that defended it pretty heavily.