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Look at the smash 4 version. It's a black armored character with a crimson cape and the same unique armor and helmet shape as black knight. The only difference is the trim is yellow instead of white.
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Shyy_Guy595
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I kinda don't like the replacing trophies part but if they bith coexist, then I wouldn't mind
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Oh and look what else they showed in the trailer… A BANJO KAZOOIE COSTUME… If a Hat in Time (such a random game imo) are showing love to Banjo Kazooie, I would be baffled if Smash doesn't do it as well. But then again game companies make weird choices…
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Alolan Trainer would be nice with Rowlet (#1), Torracat and Primarina (#3). Or maybe an alolan champion with Primarina (#3), Decidueye(#15) and Incineroar (#12)?
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Type-Null/Silvally or Rowlett tbh.
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Blacephalon could be a character who mostly uses explosives. Salazzle could use poision.
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Well, it is interesting that trophies have not been seen yet. Even in the trailers the characters are looking much more like it's the living breathing characters instead of toys given to life. Specifically with some of them dying.
The last Smash game had shown several trophies by this point
The last Smash game had shown several trophies by this point
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After a while, I have a brand new prediction that I have thought up recently. This is who I’m predicting so far:
1. Elma
2. Lycanroc
3. Rhythm Heaven (OC)
4. Isaac
5. Geno
6. Banjo and Kazooie
X. Isa?
X. Sceptile?
The first three are more recent characters I think will get added for relevance and moveset potential. However, with Rhythm Heaven I have an idea where they might make an original character (like a standard RH style dude and girl) and that character has moves where several other characters from different iconic mingames join in by pressing the attack button at the right time, like the wrestlers for his grabs and throws, the Chrous kids for some smash attacks, or Karate Joe for a jab or special.
The next three are popular ballot characters. Isaac, Geno, and Banjo are the big three popular characters not yet in Smash that I can easily see end up getting added. This can total up to 6 newcomers which is still less, but provide the best of both worlds, and we’d still have 7 out of potentially 10 characters be from the ballot (Inkling is sort of an exception).
Now you got the last two. I had these two in the backseat for a bit and I can see happen, but may not be as likely. Isa can be added to bring in a new franchise (Sin and Punishment) and bring in a unique playstyle with his gunblade and a unique flight mechanic for his recovery. They can even add Saki as an echo for Isa, but remove his up special with a upward slash. Based on what we’ve seen from KI’s gameplay style and Saki’s AT begin added and along with some other things, I have a hunch that Sakurai might’ve considered Isa before, or an S&P Rep for that matter.
I also have Sceptile on here as well since I think with the ballot, Sakurai might add a popular Pokémon that can bring in something unique from a generation not yet present in Smash. Sceptile brings in a fully fledged grass moveset with rapid speed for a rush down playstyle, arm blades, and can set up growths as well. Not to mention that ORAS did release in time to at least be considered and with Hoenn getting a lot of love during that time, I think it may be possible that Sakurai might consider adding both a Gen 7 and a Gen 3 Pokémon, since Pokémon is a franchise that can add a lot of unique characters for Smash.
1. Elma
2. Lycanroc
3. Rhythm Heaven (OC)
4. Isaac
5. Geno
6. Banjo and Kazooie
X. Isa?
X. Sceptile?
The first three are more recent characters I think will get added for relevance and moveset potential. However, with Rhythm Heaven I have an idea where they might make an original character (like a standard RH style dude and girl) and that character has moves where several other characters from different iconic mingames join in by pressing the attack button at the right time, like the wrestlers for his grabs and throws, the Chrous kids for some smash attacks, or Karate Joe for a jab or special.
The next three are popular ballot characters. Isaac, Geno, and Banjo are the big three popular characters not yet in Smash that I can easily see end up getting added. This can total up to 6 newcomers which is still less, but provide the best of both worlds, and we’d still have 7 out of potentially 10 characters be from the ballot (Inkling is sort of an exception).
Now you got the last two. I had these two in the backseat for a bit and I can see happen, but may not be as likely. Isa can be added to bring in a new franchise (Sin and Punishment) and bring in a unique playstyle with his gunblade and a unique flight mechanic for his recovery. They can even add Saki as an echo for Isa, but remove his up special with a upward slash. Based on what we’ve seen from KI’s gameplay style and Saki’s AT begin added and along with some other things, I have a hunch that Sakurai might’ve considered Isa before, or an S&P Rep for that matter.
I also have Sceptile on here as well since I think with the ballot, Sakurai might add a popular Pokémon that can bring in something unique from a generation not yet present in Smash. Sceptile brings in a fully fledged grass moveset with rapid speed for a rush down playstyle, arm blades, and can set up growths as well. Not to mention that ORAS did release in time to at least be considered and with Hoenn getting a lot of love during that time, I think it may be possible that Sakurai might consider adding both a Gen 7 and a Gen 3 Pokémon, since Pokémon is a franchise that can add a lot of unique characters for Smash.
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Uh, A Hat in Time is the exact game in which you would expect Banjo-Kazooie references. It's exactly inspired by that kind of game, this doesn't mean even half of a thing for BK in Smash.
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I never said it did. I'm talking about the general aspect of Banjo getting some recognition at the current time being, nevermind on which game. Also I already said it has nothing to do with smash.
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That's very true. That'll be sad then. I'll miss the trophies because that means that mode where you slap them into the center wouldn't be there.
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Apparently some people are saying in other places that Banjo and Kazooies 20th anniversary this year and a day off from Smash's release (December 6th, 1998).
Not to say that means anything, but just found it interesting.
Not to say that means anything, but just found it interesting.
I think they all look exactly the same as the Smash 4 trailers honestly, differences could be advances in technology and animation skills, but it doesn't seem like a deliberate art style change.
Also, the part about trophies I'm not really sure, but I don't think it's true either. I vaguely remember people thinking the exact same thing because it took a whole year for them to even start showing -some- trophies in the first Smash Direct they did. Seeing as the Vault menu is still there, I'm fairly certain trophies are still in the game, otherwise what even would be there?
Yeah we've been over this a lot of times and Smash 4 missed a whole lot of comemorative dates, so they never do that and probably never will.
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Decidueye is 15?
He was barely out of the top 14 fighting neck and neck against Incineroar. It’s surprising to say the least.
EDIT: Turns out Incineroar is 12th, my bad, but maybe the popularity of Decidueye in Japan isn’t as bad as we thought it was. It’s actually pretty popular all over.
I’m also surprised Midnight got 27, I thought it was in the 50s. But I guess it’s pretty popular. Day though, it’s not as much but it at least got top 50 lol. But it is a Japan only pole.
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King Sonnn DeDeDoo
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I know its not a Gen 7 Pokemon, but has anybody brought up Rotom as a potential Pokemon fighter? Not saying its likely but I thought I might as well throw out the idea.
This little guy might have originated in gen 4, but he did received some importance Sun and Moon with the Rotom Pokedex.
For moveset potential, Rotom could use all of his different forms for attacks, giving him the power to use electricity, fire, ice, flying, water, and grass attacks.
This little guy might have originated in gen 4, but he did received some importance Sun and Moon with the Rotom Pokedex.
For moveset potential, Rotom could use all of his different forms for attacks, giving him the power to use electricity, fire, ice, flying, water, and grass attacks.
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Golisopod looks pretty cool to me. If Sakurai is going based solely on concept art, there's no garuntee it'll be a starter that he chooses. He may choose whatever looks 'cool' to him, which very well could be one of the Ultra Beasts or Golispod. I could see him adding in Alolan Raichu, too. Then we'd have the entire Pikachu line lol. I could see Alolan Raichu being a semi-clone; Thunder, Quick Attack, Smashes shared, but Tilts, Down B, Up B, and Ult different (Ult would probably be similar to Mewtwo's, but called 'Shattered Psyche' after the Psychic Z move).
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Coming back to this, here's what I'd predict for reveals:
Incineroar revealed at the Pokemon World Championships
Banjo & Kazooie revealed in a September Direct for Nintendo online as the first DLC character, is free if you purchase a Nintendo online subscription by a certain date.
Isaac and Isabelle revealed in a general Nintendo Direct in October to go along with a revival of Golden Sun (likely a remake) and a new Animal Crossing game
Lloyd, Ken, Shadow, and Geno are revealed in a final Smash Direct before the game releases.
Chorus Kids would get a standalone trailer like the day the game releases if they're in.
ALSO, has anyone checked King K. Rool in Smash Ultimate compared to his Mii Costume in Sm4sh?
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Er, even from the beginning Gen 6 had a large number of fans that felt it was mediocre or worse, that's not something that just popped up out of nowhere.
Also, using the 'trend' to denounce someone's opinion is being ridiculously dismissive of why they like/dislike the games in the first place. Many of the fans who disliked Gen 6 still disliked it when it was initially released, their opinions didn't change just because another Generation came their way.
Interesting, it's really nice to finally have these full results. I was curious where some of the Pokémon landed relative to the others, and while it's not perfect, at least we have the full data now. I will say that I'm surprised by how middling the Cover Legendaries and Poipole seemed to have done among Nintendo Dream fans. All of the Cover Legendaries (except for Necrozma's Solgaleo/Lunala forms) did in the 27-44 range while Poipole was in the 43-74 range, which is low for Pokémon consistently advertised like them.
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Has anyone found a source for the "Spirits are Stickers" rumor? I've only seen it in
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's video but no one has brought up any kind of source here.
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's video but no one has brought up any kind of source here.
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But Bandanna Dee isn't really a "new" character since he made his debut in Kirby Super Star. Heck, he's significantly older than Dark Samus and Isaac!
Ultimate K. Rool has different eyes and crown from that Mii costume, in addition to having a more tattered cape, which are the most notable differences.
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Bandanna Dee is kinda like Robert Dowey Jr. in that he's been around a while but only recently got into the spotlight again in a big way (Return to Dreamland and Iron Man respectively).
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Random thing to note about that, that's actually a Steam Workshop mod that they've evidently assimilated into the main game. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1192834191&searchtext=banjo It doesn't mean much but I thought it was worth pointing out.
In a way, though, BWD is a new "character," just not a new design, in the way that they didn't really develop him back in the day, so he really was just a tougher than average Waddle Dee with a bandana.
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Given that, I can't help but wonder if Sakurai would overlook that only because he's holding a spear (that's almost certainly unlikely though).
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Unrelated question but has someone made an auto-stabalised version of the part of K. Rool's trailer when DK and Diddy react to him showing up for real?
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If a Persona character gets into the game, Yu Narukami is very likely. Dude is the poster child of the Persona series, and I'd say he's analogous to Marth's status in the Fire Emblem. Persona 4 was released in July 2008, and after a decade later Yu Narukami and the Persona 4 cast are still in games, with the most recent being Blazblue Cross Tag Battle, which released about three months ago. Persona 4 recieved a remake in 2012, has three prominent spinoffs in Persona 4 Arena (2012) and the remake of that game, Persona 4 Arena Ultimax (2013), and Person 4 Dancing All Night (2015), which was so popular that Atlus decided to make dancing games for both Persona 3 and Persona 5, and the Persona Q series, of which the first released in 2014, and is receiving a sequel next year. Lets not forget the two anime series, based off of the original game (aired 2011-2012) and it's remake (aired 2014). Using approximations from VGChartz, the total sales of these games (minus Cross Tag Battle because it's not solely a Persona game) total 4.34 million.
There's a reason people joke about Atlas milking Persona 4, because they do. The debate of Joker vs. Yu Narukami ultimately comes down to whether Atlas wants to put in their tried and true, or the new and popular. I'd personally lean towards Joker based on how well Persona 5 sold (the highest out of any Persona game) and it's popularity in the West, with it receiving mass praise and accolades, but I definitely wouldn't discount Yu Narukami
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Ah I see. Well it's still some love shown for the character in a more official way. Also, this is the 20th anniversary year of Banjo Kazooie, so I hope the love doesn't stop there.
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Kalos was a mixed bag as far as Pokémon designs go for me. Greninja is one of my favorite starter designs ever, while Delphox is one of my least favorites. Klefki and Trevenant are some of my absolute favorites, Volcanion is my favorite mythical, and I also really like Diggersby, Florges, Dragalge, Clawitzer, Talonflame, and Gogoat, but greatly dislike Aromatisse, Quilladin, and Binacle (despite really liking Barbaracle).
Team Flare sucked, but the Looker Bureau post game was great.
I do think that for as much as people like to rag on the rivals from that game, Tierno is an underrated character by Pokémon standards. That's my unpopular opinion for the day.
To bring this back around to Smash, an Anistar City stage would be gorgeous.
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As much as Yu would a cool protaginist, i would wonder if an SMT character that have out of the recent 3DS entries would be picked over Yu.
I mean, i don't think it would happen. (Because Atlus loves milking persona 4.) but a SMT fan can dream.
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Intresting to see Golisopod so high on the list but I shouldn't be surprised given that Giant Isopods are memetically popular animals in Japan.
Tsaraeen is also number 30 overall, a little lower than expected.
Tsaraeen is also number 30 overall, a little lower than expected.
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I wish he was higher.
I'd love for him to be talked about for Smash
He could be the new pokemon "villain"
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As much as Traditional SMT has been mostly been on Nintendo consoles, Persona has way too much of a bigger sway to be ignored if Atlus were to get something.
My thoughts anyways.
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Hell yeah, We few SMT fans gotta stick together. Maybe one day some people might even get SMT V.
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It won't. It's a similar scenario to Cloud. Persona is much more popular than SMT (Persona outsells SMT every single time) and is more prominent with spinoffs and other media. Even though Persona isn't prominently on Nintendo systems, a Persona character would still appear in Smash based off of Nintendo's good relationship with Sega and Atlus.
The way I see it, there are three potential SMT/Persona reps: Yu Narukami, Joker, or Jack Frost (
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PsychoIncarnate
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For some bizarre reason whenever I hear "Joker" it reminds me of Kamen Rider
I'm a fan of a lot of things. Including SMT. I just don't scream it from the rooftops like I do for MGS, Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania, and Smash.
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I even got the IOS version of SMT1 just to show support for it haha.
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Joker is pretty common as far as codenames go.
It portrays that the person is simultaneously light-hearted, unpredictable, and a person with a sense of humor.
It's almost as prevalant as the name "Alucard."
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On the topic of Pokemon, I'll ultimately have to say that Gen 6 was my least favorite, but I also have to admit that some good stuff came from it and I still enjoyed my time with the game. Aegislash, Clawziter, and Noivern are some of my favorite designs from that gen. I really enjoyed what Mega Evolution brought to the competitive side of things, even if they overdid it with some of them like Lucario and Gengar. Oh, and let's not forget trainer customization, even if the amount of options can be a little lackluster.
The problem is that Gen 5 is pretty much where the classic Pokemon formula had peaked and going from that the mediocre Gen 6 was a huge step down. I'm glad Gen 7 decided to shake things up and stand by its own merits rather than utilize the same tired old formula again. My hope for Gen 8 is that it builds off of what they tried with Gen 7 and improves it even further, while also hopefully allowing for more freedom of exploration (and the ability to skip cutscenes for later playthroughs).
The problem is that Gen 5 is pretty much where the classic Pokemon formula had peaked and going from that the mediocre Gen 6 was a huge step down. I'm glad Gen 7 decided to shake things up and stand by its own merits rather than utilize the same tired old formula again. My hope for Gen 8 is that it builds off of what they tried with Gen 7 and improves it even further, while also hopefully allowing for more freedom of exploration (and the ability to skip cutscenes for later playthroughs).
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Worst part about the ios port is it hasn't even been patched to work on newer versions.
So, uh, good on those guys that both own an iphone 6 and like really old RPGs.
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