Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Momotsuki]

At this point I don't really have predictions. Most of the safe guesses have either been now confirmed (Ridley, K. Rool, Inkling.) or deconfirmed (Waluigi, Ashley.)​

 

[domriver]

Predictions?
My Top 5 ( in no particular order) Unique Newcomers
Geno
Banjo-Kazooie
Issac
Elma if Not then Porky
(some pokemon)

Echos:
Isabelle
Medusa
Metal Sonic
Shadow
Note: for Echos i can't say how many we will get but I see a good amount of them.

On a personal bias note: My hope is for Geno. He is the LAST of the 3 I want in Smash for the longest. Ridley, King K Rool, and Geno. :D

 

[Opossum]

I agree that dark Pit and shulk aren't all stars. Not every character in smash is. But to say she's more of an all star than 3/4 of the cast is silly. I still think she can be in, but all star is a little much. She's only an all star compared to the remaining pool of character not already in.

Nintendo-owned characters that Isabelle beats out in prominence:

ultrosalina:

Nintendo-owned characters that beat or match Isabelle in prominence:


And even then I'm not overly comfortable putting Diddy, Jr., or Ganondorf there.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

My detailed Direct predictions:

September: Uniques shown: Bandana Waddle Dee, Elma (if she wasn’t shown to tie in to

Spoiler

her becoming a Blade in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 during Gamescom; possibly here to promote the Torna DLC instead

), maybe a Gen 7 Pokémon. Echoes: Isabelle, maybe Ken. Other details: Online will be touched upon.

October: Uniques shown: Skull Kid, Isaac. Echoes: Shadow, Dixie. Other details: more single player modes are shown off, maybe more Assist Trophies.

November: Uniques Shown: Chorus Kids, maybe Geno. Echoes: ???? Other details: Spirits mode and All Star. Ends with DLC teasers, which include an ARMS character and Rex & Pyra.

 

[SebasSancy]

My predictions:
Isaac 65%
Geno 60%
Bandana Dee 60%
Skull Kid 50%
Chorus Kids 45%
Inceneroar 40%
Banjo and Kazooie 40%

Isabelle 70%
Shadow 65%
Dixie Kong 60%
Impa 50%

I don’t expect all of them fyi

My predictions/most wanted

Unique
- Isaac (50%, my most wanted but I don't wanna be unrealistic)
- Elma (70%)
- Gardevoir (50%)
- Skull Kid (60%)
- Gino(50%)
- Karate Joe (50%)
- Bandanna Waddle Dee (50%)
- Heihachi (65%)

Echoes
- Dixie Kong (75%) : She's the only echo that I really want, every other echoes are a plus for me, but I won't mind Impa, Shadow, Isabelle, Ken or Medusa.

 

[PeridotGX]

My predictions:

September: General Direct. Reveals "Spirits", Bandana Dee, and maybe an echo.

October: Special reveal similar to Robin in 4. Lycanroc and a Pokémon echo revealed. Date revealed for a final direct.

November: "Last" batch of everything. Issac, Rayman, and Geno are all revealed, a ton of everything, acts like the final reveal.

December 4th: Skull Kid reveal (3 days left, 3 Majora's Mask days)

Yeah, I didn't know where to shoehorn Skull Kid in so I went with a somewhat fitting day.

 

[Blue7113]

Why does everyone think we’re only getting eight total newcomers? Brawl and 4 got around 17 so I’d say 10 total newcomers seems about right. 10 + 6 returning vets seems about right to me

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Just wondering, how many people here expect the "predictable" outcome of a few unique newcomers, all of them being ballot choices like Isaac, Geno, Skull Kid, etc. Right now, this is what I generally see of Smashboards speculation right now.

How much confidence do you have on this outcome? Why so?

Do you expect your predictions for Smash Ultimate to be easily subverted by Sakurai?

The second question in particular is what I would appreciate an in-depth response for.

I'm confident all characters (outside of a couple echoes) will all be moderately popular characters, whether that be through the ballot or in-general popularity.

If I had to venture a guess, I'd predict this as our final lineup:
Ken, Isabelle, Shadow
Incineroar, Isaac, Geno, Banjo & Kazooie, Lloyd Irving

I'd say Chorus Men, Bandana Dee, and Skull Kid are possible as well, but I don't see them as likely as the above characters. I'm confident in getting at least 5/8 of the above lineup. A third party blow-out is being saved for the end for maximum hype.

Banjo & Kazooie and/or Sora are going to be DLC as it's easier to share profits from DLC.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Why does everyone think we’re only getting eight total newcomers? Brawl and 4 got around 17 so I’d say 10 total newcomers seems about right. 10 + 6 returning vets seems about right to me

Because 8 sounds about right to me. It can be more, it could even be less. It's just what I think. I don't think we're getting anywhere close to Smash 4's newcomer list.

 

[Nazyrus]

Just wondering, how many people here expect the "predictable" outcome of a few unique newcomers, all of them being ballot choices like Isaac, Geno, Skull Kid, etc. Right now, this is what I generally see of Smashboards speculation right now.

How much confidence do you have on this outcome? Why so?

Do you expect your predictions for Smash Ultimate to be easily subverted by Sakurai?

The second question in particular is what I would appreciate an in-depth response for.

I think it was @Scoliosis Jones who gave an excellent point of view on this matter of what we predict and speculate, and how wrong we mostly came about everything in the past and now despite the evidences, hints, teasing, etc.

Personally my predictions are Isaac and Skull kid, mostly. But do I believe they will come true? I learned my lesson and I'm ready to be disappointed and surprised with something else. Of course, I do still want those two to make it in, and i will continue to support the characters I want like crazy. Because it's fun and because we are still entitled to wish for what we want and believe in it as far as we can realistically speaking. I think there has to be a balance between enjoying what you wish for and supporting it + prepared for what Nintendo and Sakurai have proved us many times… that anything can take a different path depite everything we know.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Just wondering, how many people here expect the "predictable" outcome of a few unique newcomers, all of them being ballot choices like Isaac, Geno, Skull Kid, etc. Right now, this is what I generally see of Smashboards speculation right now.

How much confidence do you have on this outcome? Why so?

Do you expect your predictions for Smash Ultimate to be easily subverted by Sakurai?

The second question in particular is what I would appreciate an in-depth response for.

I only am more confident in those choices (Geno, Isaac, Banjo, etc) now because nearly all of the newcomers are primarily fan requested choices (yes, even Simon).

If Sakurai didn't see that we wanted Ridley, K. Rool, Chrom or Dark Samus, I highly doubt any of them would have happened this time. Hell, just the fact that we got back every veteran was a testament to them listening to us (Sakurai even said that he "believes this is what we wanted")

Like it or not, Smash Ultimate has been (so far these past 2 directs) giving us practically every character we've wanted for years.

Of those that are still on that list (the top choices I mean) that were with Ridley and K. Rool were:

Isaac
Geno
Banjo

There is a reason why people keep saying these names.

 

[Blue7113]

Because 8 sounds about right to me. It can be more, it could even be less. It's just what I think. I don't think we're getting anywhere close to Smash 4's newcomer list.

Agreed, but 15 or so has been the general number since brawl and with the returning veterans 10 seems about right to me

 

[SebasSancy]

Why does everyone think we’re only getting eight total newcomers? Brawl and 4 got around 17 so I’d say 10 total newcomers seems about right. 10 + 6 returning vets seems about right to me

Am I crazy if I think 8 more newcomers? I mean, we already have 4 newcomers and 12 newcomers in total would be the same number as the original roster, and a nice reference

 

[Paperchampion23]

I'm honestly thinking 2 more directs (Not sure if October will have info)


1. September (Online) direct: 15 minute smash direct about primarily Online features -> 2 new characters -> Isaac (Felix)/Skull Kid. Skull Kid will open, then Smash Online info, and Isaac will close the direct. Perhaps another echo fighter (Dixie/Isabelle)
2. November Smash Direct: Information blowout -> 30-40 minute direct: Revealing story mode and the 4 remaining unique newcomers: Geno (Direct opener), Pokemon rep and Karate Joe, then Banjo as a direct closer.

Obviously the characters are wishful thinking but I full believe that the November direct will reveal more characters than we think (since we are supposed to know everyone before release) and I think that number will surprise people ("But wait, theres more!" kind of reveals)

 

[Gumzilla]

If you could change any of the entrance animations which would you change? I would change Cloud to where he rides in on a chocobo!

 

[Jedisupersonic]

If you could change any of the entrance animations which would you change? I would change Cloud to where he rides in on a chocobo!

I'd make Sonic's have him jumping off the Tornado as it flies past the stage.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Interestingly, if Isaac actually manages to be a playable character in this game, that would mean we'd get the second newcomer from 00's. At this point we only have , with being from the 80's, being from the 90's and being from the 10's.

To be quite fair it's happened 3 times in the past 3 games (Smash 4 even had multiple).

Sakurai likes surprising people so I wouldn't be shocked if there is at least 1 weird/silly new character in the roster.

Past games also never went out of their way to prioritise all veterans coming back (with Ness even being planned to be replaced in Melee) and yet here we are. Past trends don't mean that much for a game like this. I mean, if you stated 7 months ago that were all more likely to be playable than Spring Man and Rex for this game, you would have been laughed at.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

If you could change any of the entrance animations which would you change? I would change Cloud to where he rides in on a chocobo!

I’d give Luigi one where he faces the wrong way and never corrects it

 

[Deleted member]

People need to get over their misconception that a character grows in importance to Nintendo the older they are. Isabelle has been around for less than a decade and she's already more popular and prominents than the majority of the Smash roster and to believe otherwise is silly.

 

[Fenriraga]

If you could change any of the entrance animations which would you change? I would change Cloud to where he rides in on a chocobo!

Shulk is running for his life from the Territorial Rotbart.

People need to get over their misconception that a character grows in importance to Nintendo the older they are. Isabelle has been around for less than a decade and she's already more popular and prominents than the majority of the Smash roster and to believe otherwise is silly.

You're not wrong, but in some ways there are certainly characters that grow important over time. Not to the extent of some other characters, yes, but it's not such a black and white, right and wrong kind of situation. It can happen and has happened.

 

[PlugMeister]

This is off the beaten path, but I feel like neither Codec Conversations nor Palutena's Guidance are going to be returning. The Japanese voice actor for Colonel Campbell has unfortunately passed away, and the English voice actress for Palutena in Smash 4 has recently retired her role as that character specifically.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Past games also never went out of their way to prioritise all veterans coming back (with Ness even being planned to be replaced in Melee) and yet here we are. Past trends don't mean that much for a game like this. I mean, if you stated 7 months ago that were all more likely to be playable than Spring Man and Rex for this game, you would have been laughed at.

? Not really. There has never been a time where the base smash roster included extremely recent characters (I guess Roy in Melee would be the only exception to that). I personally still think it is ridiculous for anyone to expect Rex or Spring Man in the base roster. Elma maybe (but even there I don't understand her appeal considering she is a side character from a game with little to no story, but that's my opinion) and anyone from 2015 or prior, but I highly doubt anyone after is at all being considered.

I was one of those people that laughed at Wii Fit Trainer, Mii Fighters and Duck Hunt being leaked for Smash, yet that is exactly what happened there.

I'd say do expect there to be at least 1 out there character that people probably aren't expecting (or in this case, might be expecting lol). Rhythm Heaven is the perfect franchise to pull that odd stuff from, if Sakurai were to.

 

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Just wondering, how many people here expect the "predictable" outcome of a few unique newcomers, all of them being ballot choices like Isaac, Geno, Skull Kid, etc. Right now, this is what I generally see of Smashboards speculation right now.

How much confidence do you have on this outcome? Why so?

Do you expect your predictions for Smash Ultimate to be easily subverted by Sakurai?

The second question in particular is what I would appreciate an in-depth response for.

Aside from Ken/Akuma & Shadow I don't really have any predictions. With the big two out of the way I'm pretty much just waiting for the next Direct and for which veterans will be revealed on blog so I can re-display my amiibo collection. At the moment I'm skeptical about new franchises beyond Splatoon/Castlevania until DLC is announced from what Sakurai has revealed thus far and that I feel most franchises are well represented now.

Spoiler: Unpopular Opinion

Mario - All set. RIP Waluigi
DK - Returns/Tropical Freeze stage. Maybe Dixie Kong.
Zelda - Perfect. Maybe Impa echo?
Metroid - Maybe a SR388 stage or returning Pyrosphere.
Yoshi - Wooly World stage
Kirby - Non-Sakurai stages
Star Fox - Perfect.
Pokemon - Maybe more Gen 7 content or Gen 8 DLC?
Earthbound - Perfect.
F-Zero - Perfect, slight bias for a Black Shadow echo
Fire Emblem - Fates music & Echoes/Heroes content
Kid Icarus - Perfect
Wario - Wario Land content when?
Pikmin - Perfect, am surprised Alph/Rock Pikmin didn't get Echo status.
Animal Crossing - Perfect, Isabelle returning AT?
Punch Out - Perfect, maybe an AT?
Miis - Perfect, maybe a new Mii Fighter type?
Xenoblade - X/2 anything. DLC?
Splatoon - Perfect
Metal Gear - Post MGS4 music, Old Snake alt?
Sonic - New remixes
Mega Man - MM7-11 & Legends/BN/Zero/ZX/SF music
Street Fighter - Assist Trophy
Final Fantasy - Assist Trophy, RIP Music
Bayonetta - Perfect
Castlevania - Perfect

 

[DarkFalcon]

This is off the beaten path, but I feel like neither Codec Conversations nor Palutena's Guidance are going to be returning. The Japanese voice actor for Colonel Campbell has unfortunately passed away, and the English voice actress for Palutena in Smash 4 has recently retired her role as that character specifically.

Wasn't the VA for Palutena in Smash 4 not the same as the one in Uprising? I thought they had a replacement for some reason.

 

[Sharkarat]

Just wondering, how many people here expect the "predictable" outcome of a few unique newcomers, all of them being ballot choices like Isaac, Geno, Skull Kid, etc. Right now, this is what I generally see of Smashboards speculation right now.

How much confidence do you have on this outcome? Why so?

Do you expect your predictions for Smash Ultimate to be easily subverted by Sakurai?

The second question in particular is what I would appreciate an in-depth response for.

I'm actually confident in not being particulary surprised. But I mostly pedict on likehood and not spesific roster. I just sort characters into Shoo-in/Likely/Coinflip/Plausible/Unlikely/Possible/Impossible. And most things get scored low.
My biggest surprises would be if he doesn't add a pokemon or retro/wtf pick.
I'm also pretty unsure on non-Geno third parties.

But one thing affects how I speculate is that my wants play relatively small because with the exception of Isaac, all my wants are already in or pretty much impossible. Like my most wanted RE pick is Nemesis, but on my likehood scale I feels he's at most a possible.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Wasn't the VA for Palutena in Smash 4 not the same as the one in Uprising? I thought they had a replacement for some reason.

Yeah Uprising was Ali Hillis and Smash 4 was Brandy Kopp.

 

[Darkraid]

My prediction

Newcomer
Geno
Skull Kid
Gen 7 Pokemon (Decidueye)
Isabelle

Echoes
Dixie
Shadow
Ken
Impa

I think Isabelle might not be echo

 

[Justin Little]

Nintendo-owned characters that Isabelle beats out in prominence:

ultrosalina:

Nintendo-owned characters that beat or match Isabelle in prominence:


And even then I'm not overly comfortable putting Diddy, Jr., or Ganondorf there.

I think Kirby belongs there in that group. The Kirby series might not be as big as AC, but the marshmellow himself is a star. He literaly rides one.

Diddy Kong might not be getting his own games anymore, but there is no denying how successful DKC 2 and Diddy Kong Racing once were which were multi million sellers during that time. Regardless, there are still Diddy Kong merchandises out at stores, and has the most appearances in the DKC franchise than DK himself. King of Hoo Ha has definitely earned it.

 

[Fenriraga]

Here's another question.

Do you guys feel we still need more villains, or do you think we're good where we are at?

This isn't a "I think X villain should be in Smash" question, I am speaking purely based on quantity, not who that quantity is made up of.

To recap, we have as the general consensus. Some of them aren't full blown villains, yes, but they've mostly prominently been on the "not really a hero" spectrum more often than not. You can still probably give or take a few of these guys if you genuinely don't think one a bad guy, particularly Mewtwo.

I mostly ask because I remember a good chunk of people always wanting more villains in both Brawl and Smash 4's days. With every character returning and a solid 3 new villains to the lineup, do you think that's enough?

Because if I'm being honest, I really don't want another villain beyond what we have. I think this is just the right quantity.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Here's another question.

Do you guys feel we still need more villains, or do you think we're good where we are at?

This isn't a "I think X villain should be in Smash" question, I am speaking purely based on quantity, not who that quantity is made up of.

To recap, we have as the general consensus. Some of them aren't full blown villains, yes, but they've mostly prominently been on the "not really a hero" spectrum more often than not. You can still probably give or take a few of these guys if you genuinely don't think one a bad guy.

I mostly ask because I remember a good chunk of people always wanting more villains in both Brawl and Smash 4's days. With every character returning and a solid 3 new villains to the lineup, do you think that's enough? Because if I'm being honest, I really don't want another villain beyond what we have. I think this is just the right quantity.

I'm all for more anti heroes and villains in the lineup, vareity is the spice of life and Smash has been mostly heroic characters for it's lifespan.

 

[SonicMario]

I'd make Sonic's have him jumping off the Tornado as it flies past the stage.

And possibly deconfirm Tails through an entrance animation? Please no.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Here's another question.

Do you guys feel we still need more villains, or do you think we're good where we are at?

This isn't a "I think X villain should be in Smash" question, I am speaking purely based on quantity, not who that quantity is made up of.

To recap, we have as the general consensus. Some of them aren't full blown villains, yes, but they've mostly prominently been on the "not really a hero" spectrum more often than not. You can still probably give or take a few of these guys if you genuinely don't think one a bad guy.

I mostly ask because I remember a good chunk of people always wanting more villains in both Brawl and Smash 4's days. With every character returning and a solid 3 new villains to the lineup, do you think that's enough? Because if I'm being honest, I really don't want another villain beyond what we have. I think this is just the right quantity.

I think we can always use more villains/rivals. Though I think we've got the major absences covered. Something about playing as the bad guy has always felt cool to me.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I think we can always use more villains/rivals. Though I think we've got the major absences covered. Something about playing as the bad guy has always felt cool to me.

And for me I seem to either like the super goody good or their anti hero equal (or both).

Part of why i'm advocating for people like Shadow haha.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here's another question.

Do you guys feel we still need more villains, or do you think we're good where we are at?

This isn't a "I think X villain should be in Smash" question, I am speaking purely based on quantity, not who that quantity is made up of.

To recap, we have as the general consensus. Some of them aren't full blown villains, yes, but they've mostly prominently been on the "not really a hero" spectrum more often than not. You can still probably give or take a few of these guys if you genuinely don't think one a bad guy, particularly Mewtwo.

I mostly ask because I remember a good chunk of people always wanting more villains in both Brawl and Smash 4's days. With every character returning and a solid 3 new villains to the lineup, do you think that's enough?

Because if I'm being honest, I really don't want another villain beyond what we have. I think this is just the right quantity.

I think that after K. Rool, Dark Samus and Ridley, we are set. Anymore would just be a bonus.

What I think we need right now is a female newcomer. Daisy is all alone in that regard.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

There has never been a time where the base smash roster included extremely recent characters (I guess Roy in Melee would be the only exception to that).

You forgot Greninja.

 

[MBRedboy31]

And possibly deconfirm Tails through an entrance animation? Please no.

Sonic could be flying the plane himself and jump out much like the Star Fox characters do, it’s actually his plane and not Tails’ plane, after all. I didn’t think it’s really so fitting for Sonic in general though, the Tornado isn’t really his thing even though it makes sense canonically?

Maybe though they could have an animation that shows off Sonic’s speed, like, have him blast onto the screen from the side at Mach speed and then screech to a halt, then pose.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Here's another question.

Do you guys feel we still need more villains, or do you think we're good where we are at?

This isn't a "I think X villain should be in Smash" question, I am speaking purely based on quantity, not who that quantity is made up of.

To recap, we have as the general consensus. Some of them aren't full blown villains, yes, but they've mostly prominently been on the "not really a hero" spectrum more often than not. You can still probably give or take a few of these guys if you genuinely don't think one a bad guy, particularly Mewtwo.

I mostly ask because I remember a good chunk of people always wanting more villains in both Brawl and Smash 4's days. With every character returning and a solid 3 new villains to the lineup, do you think that's enough?

Because if I'm being honest, I really don't want another villain beyond what we have. I think this is just the right quantity.

Well I think it would be great to have villains/rivals from unrepresented series like the Black Knight, Shadow, maybe Akuma.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I think that after K. Rool, Dark Samus and Ridley, we are set. Anymore would just be a bonus.

What I think we need right now is a female newcomer. Daisy is all alone in that regard.

We also have the Inklings, since the female one is the default version. Though, given how many female additions there were in Smash 4, it might very well be that Sakurai isn't that concerned about female newcomers for this game, possibly assuming that people are already satisfied in that regard.

 

[GunBlaze]

the English voice actress for Palutena in Smash 4 has recently retired her role as that character specifically.

Just to make sure, we're talking about Brandy Kopp, right? Because Aya Hillis wasn't in Smash 4.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Sonic could be flying the plane himself and jump out much like the Star Fox characters do, it’s actually his plane and not Tails’ plane, after all.

Maybe though they could have an animation that shows off Sonic’s speed, like, have him blast onto the screen from the side at Mach speed and then screech to a halt, then pose.

I always found that funny how Sonic owned the plane and Tails just borrows it... and gets it wrecked on a regular basis.