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My favorite part about the word "kerning" is that the word "keming" itself happens to be often subjected to bad "kerning" itself due to its spelling.
So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).
So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me
Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)
Now: Villager was my main late into Smash 4's lifespan, and I feel playing him competitively soured him for me. I think he is still a fun character, but something feels very off and it makes him frustrating to play as. He's really good in free-for-alls too, but I just don't like playing as him anymore. I feel like he's very similar in Ultimate, which is great for people who enjoy him. I'll always adore Villager for what he is and have a lot of attachment to him, but I feel he isn't that fun to play as anymore.
Now: And how that expectation was unfortunately crushed. Remember hearing the bad commentator go crazy about Mega Man at E3 2013 and seeing his down smash do Melee Peach down smash levels of damage? That is not what we got on reveal. See I don't hate the design in theory, but once again I didn't enjoy his execution. It feels like he only relied on fishing for back air kills, getting the footstool combo (rip), or getting uair ceiling kills (rip) when it came to actually KO'ing an opponent. It's a shock to see almost everything outside lemons feel very stiff and now that up air is worse, I feel lemons are going to be more centralizing in Ultimate. Really comes to show how great marketing is.
Now: Wii Fit Trainer is like that super attractive and supportive person in your life that you kind of ignore when you're younger because you're stupid and dense. Despite her being a bad character, I really grew to like Wii Fit. Not to mention, she is the only girl I feel comfortable having a relationship with in real life out of the female Smash Bros. characters. Wii Fit Studio is still an incredibly boring stage though.
Now: Man I wish Rosalina and Luma were closer to Melee Ice Climbers in Smash 4's mechanics. These two are really strong and polarizing in Smash and Rosalina was pretty insane during the Smash 3DS days. Despite her losing to top tier characters like pre-patch Diddy and now Cloud, she is still a gatekeeper character keeping a lot of characters out of viability even before DLC.
Now: Memes aside, I just wish Little Mac was adjusted a little for single player mode. A character that has really bad aerial options doesn't work too well in traversing large terrain like Smash Run. At least side b doesn't put him into freefall anymore. Also, I wish he used Star Punch instead of KO punch and wasn't so rewarded for getting hit. It really doesn't fit his character imo.
Now: Greninja is actually one of the most enjoyable characters for me to play as now. I'm not super invested into Pokemon or Greninja (I picked Fennekin in X and Y), but he feels super clean to play as. I feel he is also pretty good in FFAs, since he can get KO's pretty well with up air, up smash, shadow sneak and even Shuriken or hydro pump. Everything works really well and I'll definitely keep playing him in Ultimate.
Now: The Miis were a thing I always liked using. I used them in Mario Kart Wii and 7 almost exclusively and Ultimate giving them voices again makes me super nostalgic for MKWii. I am so excited to play them again online in Ultimate.
Now: Palutena was a character I planned on maining on release until I actually played her. She is shockingly really bad at being able to actually do much of anything beside use her solid mobility to get grab follow-ups and use her invincible shield. Customs Palutena felt like a pretty fun character outside of the overcentralized (and borderline busted) Lightweight but, alas, most players don't use customs. I hope they fix a couple of her customs to make them more useful if they return. If not, please make her have a useful special kit. She is looking like a bottom ten character in Ultimate right now. Seeing her get bodied by Charizard's up smash in the Pokemon Trainer character trailer hurt a lot.
Now: Pac Man and Sonic will be forever worthy of the Smash Bros. Roster and I hope they never leave it. If Sakurai or Nintendo have to cut characters, I feel like these two should stay more than a lot of first party veterans. That being said, it is really wacky how Sakurai got this character to work. I don't think anyone expected the moveset he got (except bonus fruit and turning into a pizza in some of his moves).
: On Reveal: I had never played an Animal Crossing game so I didn't really feel anything for the character: On Reveal: Never played a Megaman so didn't feel anything, though it was fun to see people react: On Reveal: I'll be honest. I was one of those fans back then. I got really angry because I thought she made no sense as a fighter, ashamed to admit it.: On Reveal: Never really cared for Rosa. She used to be one of my favorite Mario characters but after they kinda shoehorned her in everything after Galaxy, I just got tired of seeing her.: On Reveal: Another game series I never played. Can't say I was into his reveal although Doc Louis makes me happy everytime he speaks. "You ain't no air fighter Mac. Whatchu doin up there? Smash ain't no joke.": On Reveal: Fennekin was my favorite starter from Gen 6 so kinda salty that froggy boi got in instead, but I got over it.: On Reveal: The reveal trailer for this was amazing. Iwata (RIP) vs Reggie was one of the greatest things I ever had to behold. Plus this was also the reveal for amiibo the bane of every collector's existence kek: On Reveal: I hadn't played Kid Icarus at the time so all I knew was that it was "that one chick from Pit's FS in Brawl, she can fight?": On Reveal: I remember that conspiracy theory going around that you could see a cloud in the shape of Pac-man during Greninja's trailer and I was laughing at those fools. Then he got revealed...I agree. It definitely is nowhere good as Brawl's imo but there are still some good bops in there. Personal favorite song is the Magicant theme. Speaking of which, I'm happy that Magicant and Fourside are coming back as stages. The more Earthbound love the better.
I'd really like to make a comparison from reveal to release, but I was just really indifferent to most of the characters at first. Although I was really into speculation, I was mostly focused on veterans. I wasn't really familiar with most of the characters not already in due to being in like 4th grade around the most of their reveals. I was mostly just excited for any newcomers at all. By time of the infamous leak though, I began wanting specific newcomers. I was much more excited for DLC.So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).
So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me
Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
Now: Villager was my main late into Smash 4's lifespan, and I feel playing him competitively soured him for me. I think he is still a fun character, but something feels very off and it makes him frustrating to play as. He's really good in free-for-alls too, but I just don't like playing as him anymore. I feel like he's very similar in Ultimate, which is great for people who enjoy him. I'll always adore Villager for what he is and have a lot of attachment to him, but I feel he isn't that fun to play as anymore.
Now: And how that expectation was unfortunately crushed. Remember hearing the bad commentator go crazy about Mega Man at E3 2013 and seeing his down smash do Melee Peach down smash levels of damage? That is not what we got on reveal. See I don't hate the design in theory, but once again I didn't enjoy his execution. It feels like he only relied on fishing for back air kills, getting the footstool combo (rip), or getting uair ceiling kills (rip) when it came to actually KO'ing an opponent. It's a shock to see almost everything outside lemons feel very stiff and now that up air is worse, I feel lemons are going to be more centralizing in Ultimate. Really comes to show how great marketing is.
Now: Wii Fit Trainer is like that super attractive and supportive person in your life that you kind of ignore when you're younger because you're stupid and dense. Despite her being a bad character, I really grew to like Wii Fit. Not to mention, she is the only girl I feel comfortable having a relationship with in real life out of the female Smash Bros. characters. Wii Fit Studio is still an incredibly boring stage though.
Now: Man I wish Rosalina and Luma were closer to Melee Ice Climbers in Smash 4's mechanics. These two are really strong and polarizing in Smash and Rosalina was pretty insane during the Smash 3DS days. Despite her losing to top tier characters like pre-patch Diddy and now Cloud, she is still a gatekeeper character keeping a lot of characters out of viability even before DLC.
Now: Memes aside, I just wish Little Mac was adjusted a little for single player mode. A character that has really bad aerial options doesn't work too well in traversing large terrain like Smash Run. At least side b doesn't put him into freefall anymore. Also, I wish he used Star Punch instead of KO punch and wasn't so rewarded for getting hit. It really doesn't fit his character imo.
Now: Greninja is actually one of the most enjoyable characters for me to play as now. I'm not super invested into Pokemon or Greninja (I picked Fennekin in X and Y), but he feels super clean to play as. I feel he is also pretty good in FFAs, since he can get KO's pretty well with up air, up smash, shadow sneak and even Shuriken or hydro pump. Everything works really well and I'll definitely keep playing him in Ultimate.
Now: The Miis were a thing I always liked using. I used them in Mario Kart Wii and 7 almost exclusively and Ultimate giving them voices again makes me super nostalgic for MKWii. I am so excited to play them again online in Ultimate.
Now: Palutena was a character I planned on maining on release until I actually played her. She is shockingly really bad at being able to actually do much of anything beside use her solid mobility to get grab follow-ups and use her invincible shield. Customs Palutena felt like a pretty fun character outside of the overcentralized (and borderline busted) Lightweight but, alas, most players don't use customs. I hope they fix a couple of her customs to make them more useful if they return. If not, please make her have a useful special kit. She is looking like a bottom ten character in Ultimate right now. Seeing her get bodied by Charizard's up smash in the Pokemon Trainer character trailer hurt a lot.
Now: Pac Man and Sonic will be forever worthy of the Smash Bros. Roster and I hope they never leave it. If Sakurai or Nintendo have to cut characters, I feel like these two should stay more than a lot of first party veterans. That being said, it is really wacky how Sakurai got this character to work. I don't think anyone expected the moveset he got (except bonus fruit and turning into a pizza in some of his moves).
He represents the AC series really well and a fun character to use. The tree is always fun to useI don't really love the MegaMan games but he sure does deserve his spot on the roster. Hope he never gets cutI've always really liked this character's inclusion. She represents the Wii really well and would actually be sad if she got cutI remember when smash 3ds first came out I thought this character was busted. I was right I guess lol. She's still really fun to use and has an awesome gimmick. I've never played a Punch Out!! game and probably wouldn't have cared about him in Smash if he didn't have such a unique premise. I don't have fun using him but I'm glad he's hereBefore Smash 4 was released I know I intended on maining him. I didn't enjoy how he played as much as I thought I would so I dropped him. He deserves a spot though with how popular he is now I thought I might've used them a bit but I really don't. Cutting them would make me sad though considering they're so iconicI don't think I ever even thought about using her. I wish she was better though Pacman was really cool addition. Seeing him be cut would be the worst. Sonic, MegaMan, and Pacman are necessaryultlucina:Despite not caring about Fire Emblem at the time, I remember being incredibly excited at the trailer. I was under the impression we were getting THREE newcomer reveals (poor Chrom). I'm very glad we got unique FE repsThe ESRB leak happened by then, so I was much more fascinated with Duck Hunt and Dr Mario. Glad Xenoblade got a rep now thoughI liked him decently, but I didn't particularly care for him. I now really apreciate how he represents the koopaling thoughInitially I was in shock just like everyone else. He was the standout of the leak. I don't play him now but I believe he represents retro quite well.I had no opinion on Dark Pit. He was and still is just kinda a bonus to me.I remember being very excited for his return and to try him out. He's still a really fun characterLucas' reveal was easily my hypest reaction in all of smash 4. He was one of my mains in brawl and it really hurt to see him gone. I started playing Ness instead though lolI was never too excited for him and never use him. I wouldn't mind if he was cut honestlyFor the longest time I was mad he got in. He felt out of place to me. I've accepted him now though and understand his importance in gaming.I've never played FF7 but decently excited anyway. I'm still glad he made it.Considering he was revealed in the last smash direct I was disappointed. I still don't care for him too much but have warmed up to himI was unhappy about this reveal. I had barely even heard of Bayonetta. I'm happy with her place on the roster now (also she brought along some bangers so that's a plus)
Outside of what I saw as a couple glaring omissions, looking at the newcomers from as objective of a view as I can I think the Smash 4 newcomers were chosen well and covered a lot of bases in their popularity, representation, and what they brought to Smash. On a personal level though, it would be hard to get a newcomer lineup that would be any more unappealling to me.
Magic!
It's the realization that most of us we'll be in our thirties before he gets another shot at the roster. That assumes they don't reconsider ATs for DLC but I am not counting on that.
He was my most wanted newcomer for this game. At least we get awesome artwork like this.
Personally. I don't think music quality in Smash 4 is too bad. I mean, I do think some of the worst songs in the series history came from there, but overall there are some reaaaally good songs. The thing about Smash 4 is how less of a celebration it felt unlike Brawl and how it wasn't as tight as Melee or 64. Brawl wasn't always able to do it, but it very much tried to be fair across the whole spectrum of series, while Smash 4 is just a weird mess of everybody doing whatever they want. It sounds good maybe, but it's the bad kind of liberty, it's the exact reason we got 3 versions of Mute City and DKC 1-1 and some series getting only one song (or if you like WarioWare and live in the West, zero songs) while others got like 15.
So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).
So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me
Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
I don't think my opinions on the Smash 4 newcomers are all that different from when they were revealed (love Mega Man, eh on Pac-Man, etc.) and I already made a thread on what my opinions of them are, so...So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).
So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me
Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
Now: Villager was my main late into Smash 4's lifespan, and I feel playing him competitively soured him for me. I think he is still a fun character, but something feels very off and it makes him frustrating to play as. He's really good in free-for-alls too, but I just don't like playing as him anymore. I feel like he's very similar in Ultimate, which is great for people who enjoy him. I'll always adore Villager for what he is and have a lot of attachment to him, but I feel he isn't that fun to play as anymore.
Now: And how that expectation was unfortunately crushed. Remember hearing the bad commentator go crazy about Mega Man at E3 2013 and seeing his down smash do Melee Peach down smash levels of damage? That is not what we got on reveal. See I don't hate the design in theory, but once again I didn't enjoy his execution. It feels like he only relied on fishing for back air kills, getting the footstool combo (rip), or getting uair ceiling kills (rip) when it came to actually KO'ing an opponent. It's a shock to see almost everything outside lemons feel very stiff and now that up air is worse, I feel lemons are going to be more centralizing in Ultimate. Really comes to show how great marketing is.
Now: Wii Fit Trainer is like that super attractive and supportive person in your life that you kind of ignore when you're younger because you're stupid and dense. Despite her being a bad character, I really grew to like Wii Fit. Not to mention, she is the only girl I feel comfortable having a relationship with in real life out of the female Smash Bros. characters. Wii Fit Studio is still an incredibly boring stage though.
Now: Man I wish Rosalina and Luma were closer to Melee Ice Climbers in Smash 4's mechanics. These two are really strong and polarizing in Smash and Rosalina was pretty insane during the Smash 3DS days. Despite her losing to top tier characters like pre-patch Diddy and now Cloud, she is still a gatekeeper character keeping a lot of characters out of viability even before DLC.
Now: Memes aside, I just wish Little Mac was adjusted a little for single player mode. A character that has really bad aerial options doesn't work too well in traversing large terrain like Smash Run. At least side b doesn't put him into freefall anymore. Also, I wish he used Star Punch instead of KO punch and wasn't so rewarded for getting hit. It really doesn't fit his character imo.
Now: Greninja is actually one of the most enjoyable characters for me to play as now. I'm not super invested into Pokemon or Greninja (I picked Fennekin in X and Y), but he feels super clean to play as. I feel he is also pretty good in FFAs, since he can get KO's pretty well with up air, up smash, shadow sneak and even Shuriken or hydro pump. Everything works really well and I'll definitely keep playing him in Ultimate.
Now: The Miis were a thing I always liked using. I used them in Mario Kart Wii and 7 almost exclusively and Ultimate giving them voices again makes me super nostalgic for MKWii. I am so excited to play them again online in Ultimate.
Now: Palutena was a character I planned on maining on release until I actually played her. She is shockingly really bad at being able to actually do much of anything beside use her solid mobility to get grab follow-ups and use her invincible shield. Customs Palutena felt like a pretty fun character outside of the overcentralized (and borderline busted) Lightweight but, alas, most players don't use customs. I hope they fix a couple of her customs to make them more useful if they return. If not, please make her have a useful special kit. She is looking like a bottom ten character in Ultimate right now. Seeing her get bodied by Charizard's up smash in the Pokemon Trainer character trailer hurt a lot.
Now: Pac Man and Sonic will be forever worthy of the Smash Bros. Roster and I hope they never leave it. If Sakurai or Nintendo have to cut characters, I feel like these two should stay more than a lot of first party veterans. That being said, it is really wacky how Sakurai got this character to work. I don't think anyone expected the moveset he got (except bonus fruit and turning into a pizza in some of his moves).
Holy crap that looks fantastic and actually genuine. If I was told that was real I'd believe it no question. Bonus points for placing him by Wario for the Wario Blast reference.
It's exact opposite for me. I liked pretty much every newcomer in Smash For. This game?Overall, I felt like Villager, Mega Man, and Pac-Man were all pretty great reveals, as well as being implemented well, but everyone else ranges from 'meh' to 'why?'
- On Reveal: Happy that Animal Crossing got some representation in Smash. For such a big franchise, especially one that I enjoy so much, I was glad it didn't get shafted again.
- In Game: He's a fun character. Great representation of all the things you can do in Animal Crossing.
- On Reveal: This.
- In Game: Phenomenally designed; having all of his moves designed around his abilities throughout the ten Mega Man games was a great choice. He feels incredibly faithful to the original Mega Man series, and that's great.
- On Reveal: I wasn't upset, just confused why they would put her in the game. Not really requested, but I guess she made for a fine WTF character.
- In Game: She's fine, I guess. About as good as a fighter based around yoga poses can get.
- On Reveal: Got excited for a new Kirby Air Ride game. Then got excited for a Kirby Air Ride x Mario Kart 8 DLC. The reveal itself was meh.
- In Game: They're fun to mess around with, but I think they're both really frail and don't have the damage output to keep them alive. Or at least, I'm not good enough to get it going like that.
- On Reveal: Hell yeah. Glad he got the promotion from Assist to Playable.
- In Game: The poster boy of "great idea, terrible execution." Designing a character around having a terrible recovery and aerial game in a platform fighting game doesn't really work out. Hopefully he trades some of his ground power for a less garbage aerial game in Ultimate.
- On Reveal: I thought it was Mewtwo. I got really excited for Mewtwo. Crushed my heart when it was just Greninja.
- In Game: Don't really care. Never found him very enjoyable to play as.
- On Reveal: Iwata vs. Reggie was incredible. I couldn't care less about the reveal itself.
- In Game: Another example of "great idea, terrible execution," I feel. Setting up and customizing Mii Fighters is way too much trouble than it is worth.
- On Reveal: Disappointed they decided to end the E3 presentation with one of the most obvious inclusions in the game.
- In Game: She's a mess. Too sluggish, and trapping all of her good specials behind customs was a mistake. Love her Up-Air though.
- On Reveal: I woke up to news of him being in Smash. A lot of people expected him, but having him appear in his classic form rather than his 'Pac is Back!' form was great.
- In Game: He's a whole ton of fun to mess around with, even if he isn't all that great. Hopefully he gets some well deserved buffs in Ultimate; might even make him a secondary of mine if he's not absolutely terrible.
As a whole, I feel like Smash 4's first party newcomer has easily been the weakest in all of the series. Even the sole inclusions of Inkling and Ridley put a majority of Smash 4's first party additions to shame, in my opinion.
I'm not really going to go through each newcomer individually, because my feelings on the newcomers is shared between a lot of them. I think Smash 4 introduced a lot of newcomers that definitely deserved to be there (So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).
So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me
Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
Now: Villager was my main late into Smash 4's lifespan, and I feel playing him competitively soured him for me. I think he is still a fun character, but something feels very off and it makes him frustrating to play as. He's really good in free-for-alls too, but I just don't like playing as him anymore. I feel like he's very similar in Ultimate, which is great for people who enjoy him. I'll always adore Villager for what he is and have a lot of attachment to him, but I feel he isn't that fun to play as anymore.
Now: And how that expectation was unfortunately crushed. Remember hearing the bad commentator go crazy about Mega Man at E3 2013 and seeing his down smash do Melee Peach down smash levels of damage? That is not what we got on reveal. See I don't hate the design in theory, but once again I didn't enjoy his execution. It feels like he only relied on fishing for back air kills, getting the footstool combo (rip), or getting uair ceiling kills (rip) when it came to actually KO'ing an opponent. It's a shock to see almost everything outside lemons feel very stiff and now that up air is worse, I feel lemons are going to be more centralizing in Ultimate. Really comes to show how great marketing is.
Now: Wii Fit Trainer is like that super attractive and supportive person in your life that you kind of ignore when you're younger because you're stupid and dense. Despite her being a bad character, I really grew to like Wii Fit. Not to mention, she is the only girl I feel comfortable having a relationship with in real life out of the female Smash Bros. characters. Wii Fit Studio is still an incredibly boring stage though.
Now: Man I wish Rosalina and Luma were closer to Melee Ice Climbers in Smash 4's mechanics. These two are really strong and polarizing in Smash and Rosalina was pretty insane during the Smash 3DS days. Despite her losing to top tier characters like pre-patch Diddy and now Cloud, she is still a gatekeeper character keeping a lot of characters out of viability even before DLC.
Now: Memes aside, I just wish Little Mac was adjusted a little for single player mode. A character that has really bad aerial options doesn't work too well in traversing large terrain like Smash Run. At least side b doesn't put him into freefall anymore. Also, I wish he used Star Punch instead of KO punch and wasn't so rewarded for getting hit. It really doesn't fit his character imo.
Now: Greninja is actually one of the most enjoyable characters for me to play as now. I'm not super invested into Pokemon or Greninja (I picked Fennekin in X and Y), but he feels super clean to play as. I feel he is also pretty good in FFAs, since he can get KO's pretty well with up air, up smash, shadow sneak and even Shuriken or hydro pump. Everything works really well and I'll definitely keep playing him in Ultimate.
Now: The Miis were a thing I always liked using. I used them in Mario Kart Wii and 7 almost exclusively and Ultimate giving them voices again makes me super nostalgic for MKWii. I am so excited to play them again online in Ultimate.
Now: Palutena was a character I planned on maining on release until I actually played her. She is shockingly really bad at being able to actually do much of anything beside use her solid mobility to get grab follow-ups and use her invincible shield. Customs Palutena felt like a pretty fun character outside of the overcentralized (and borderline busted) Lightweight but, alas, most players don't use customs. I hope they fix a couple of her customs to make them more useful if they return. If not, please make her have a useful special kit. She is looking like a bottom ten character in Ultimate right now. Seeing her get bodied by Charizard's up smash in the Pokemon Trainer character trailer hurt a lot.
Now: Pac Man and Sonic will be forever worthy of the Smash Bros. Roster and I hope they never leave it. If Sakurai or Nintendo have to cut characters, I feel like these two should stay more than a lot of first party veterans. That being said, it is really wacky how Sakurai got this character to work. I don't think anyone expected the moveset he got (except bonus fruit and turning into a pizza in some of his moves).
) with a fair share of good surprise choices that make sense in hindsight (), and this also goes for the ones that'll be covered in your future post.
So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).
So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me
Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
Now: Villager was my main late into Smash 4's lifespan, and I feel playing him competitively soured him for me. I think he is still a fun character, but something feels very off and it makes him frustrating to play as. He's really good in free-for-alls too, but I just don't like playing as him anymore. I feel like he's very similar in Ultimate, which is great for people who enjoy him. I'll always adore Villager for what he is and have a lot of attachment to him, but I feel he isn't that fun to play as anymore.
Now: And how that expectation was unfortunately crushed. Remember hearing the bad commentator go crazy about Mega Man at E3 2013 and seeing his down smash do Melee Peach down smash levels of damage? That is not what we got on reveal. See I don't hate the design in theory, but once again I didn't enjoy his execution. It feels like he only relied on fishing for back air kills, getting the footstool combo (rip), or getting uair ceiling kills (rip) when it came to actually KO'ing an opponent. It's a shock to see almost everything outside lemons feel very stiff and now that up air is worse, I feel lemons are going to be more centralizing in Ultimate. Really comes to show how great marketing is.
Now: Wii Fit Trainer is like that super attractive and supportive person in your life that you kind of ignore when you're younger because you're stupid and dense. Despite her being a bad character, I really grew to like Wii Fit. Not to mention, she is the only girl I feel comfortable having a relationship with in real life out of the female Smash Bros. characters. Wii Fit Studio is still an incredibly boring stage though.
Now: Man I wish Rosalina and Luma were closer to Melee Ice Climbers in Smash 4's mechanics. These two are really strong and polarizing in Smash and Rosalina was pretty insane during the Smash 3DS days. Despite her losing to top tier characters like pre-patch Diddy and now Cloud, she is still a gatekeeper character keeping a lot of characters out of viability even before DLC.
Now: Memes aside, I just wish Little Mac was adjusted a little for single player mode. A character that has really bad aerial options doesn't work too well in traversing large terrain like Smash Run. At least side b doesn't put him into freefall anymore. Also, I wish he used Star Punch instead of KO punch and wasn't so rewarded for getting hit. It really doesn't fit his character imo.
Now: Greninja is actually one of the most enjoyable characters for me to play as now. I'm not super invested into Pokemon or Greninja (I picked Fennekin in X and Y), but he feels super clean to play as. I feel he is also pretty good in FFAs, since he can get KO's pretty well with up air, up smash, shadow sneak and even Shuriken or hydro pump. Everything works really well and I'll definitely keep playing him in Ultimate.
Now: The Miis were a thing I always liked using. I used them in Mario Kart Wii and 7 almost exclusively and Ultimate giving them voices again makes me super nostalgic for MKWii. I am so excited to play them again online in Ultimate.
Now: Palutena was a character I planned on maining on release until I actually played her. She is shockingly really bad at being able to actually do much of anything beside use her solid mobility to get grab follow-ups and use her invincible shield. Customs Palutena felt like a pretty fun character outside of the overcentralized (and borderline busted) Lightweight but, alas, most players don't use customs. I hope they fix a couple of her customs to make them more useful if they return. If not, please make her have a useful special kit. She is looking like a bottom ten character in Ultimate right now. Seeing her get bodied by Charizard's up smash in the Pokemon Trainer character trailer hurt a lot.
Now: Pac Man and Sonic will be forever worthy of the Smash Bros. Roster and I hope they never leave it. If Sakurai or Nintendo have to cut characters, I feel like these two should stay more than a lot of first party veterans. That being said, it is really wacky how Sakurai got this character to work. I don't think anyone expected the moveset he got (except bonus fruit and turning into a pizza in some of his moves).
Pretty much this. It took until Ryu showed up in DLC for me to get a character I was genuinely excited for.I'm not really going to go through each newcomer individually, because my feelings on the newcomers is shared between a lot of them. I think Smash 4 introduced a lot of newcomers that definitely deserved to be there (
Despite being able to see them as generally good additions there was not a single newcomer in Smash 4 that really appealed to me though. I largely prefer Nintendo's oldschool stuff, so the amount of characters chosen largely on relevancy didn't exactly get me giddy, and on top of that I also prefer simple playstyles, so while I can appreciate the innovative gimmicks most of them came with it only put me off from playing them. I also felt there was a lack of variety in some areas, we didn't get a single heavy weight character, we got even less villains than ever, and almost every newcomer was a human, it did not balance itself out in the same way Brawl's newcomer roster did, which was a big disappointment.
I'm never going to say that Smash 4's newcomers were objectively bad additions, that would be insanity, but from a purely personal point of view I was left disappointed. In the end the only newcomer I ended up playing to some extend was Lucina, and she's basically just Marth, so other than when I was messing around with friends I ended up only playing veterans. Like, if you go to records and view my most played characters most of the ones at the bottom are Smash 4 newcomers, which is a shame.
This era of Smash Bros. hype train was definitely different, but more out of the blue than Brawl. I was more so a kid when during Brawl's era, so this would pretty much be the adolescence/almost young adult era, so I'd have a bit higher of expectations, and boy, did this not disappoint.So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).
So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me
Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
Now: Villager was my main late into Smash 4's lifespan, and I feel playing him competitively soured him for me. I think he is still a fun character, but something feels very off and it makes him frustrating to play as. He's really good in free-for-alls too, but I just don't like playing as him anymore. I feel like he's very similar in Ultimate, which is great for people who enjoy him. I'll always adore Villager for what he is and have a lot of attachment to him, but I feel he isn't that fun to play as anymore.
Now: And how that expectation was unfortunately crushed. Remember hearing the bad commentator go crazy about Mega Man at E3 2013 and seeing his down smash do Melee Peach down smash levels of damage? That is not what we got on reveal. See I don't hate the design in theory, but once again I didn't enjoy his execution. It feels like he only relied on fishing for back air kills, getting the footstool combo (rip), or getting uair ceiling kills (rip) when it came to actually KO'ing an opponent. It's a shock to see almost everything outside lemons feel very stiff and now that up air is worse, I feel lemons are going to be more centralizing in Ultimate. Really comes to show how great marketing is.
Now: Wii Fit Trainer is like that super attractive and supportive person in your life that you kind of ignore when you're younger because you're stupid and dense. Despite her being a bad character, I really grew to like Wii Fit. Not to mention, she is the only girl I feel comfortable having a relationship with in real life out of the female Smash Bros. characters. Wii Fit Studio is still an incredibly boring stage though.
Now: Man I wish Rosalina and Luma were closer to Melee Ice Climbers in Smash 4's mechanics. These two are really strong and polarizing in Smash and Rosalina was pretty insane during the Smash 3DS days. Despite her losing to top tier characters like pre-patch Diddy and now Cloud, she is still a gatekeeper character keeping a lot of characters out of viability even before DLC.
Now: Memes aside, I just wish Little Mac was adjusted a little for single player mode. A character that has really bad aerial options doesn't work too well in traversing large terrain like Smash Run. At least side b doesn't put him into freefall anymore. Also, I wish he used Star Punch instead of KO punch and wasn't so rewarded for getting hit. It really doesn't fit his character imo.
Now: Greninja is actually one of the most enjoyable characters for me to play as now. I'm not super invested into Pokemon or Greninja (I picked Fennekin in X and Y), but he feels super clean to play as. I feel he is also pretty good in FFAs, since he can get KO's pretty well with up air, up smash, shadow sneak and even Shuriken or hydro pump. Everything works really well and I'll definitely keep playing him in Ultimate.
Now: The Miis were a thing I always liked using. I used them in Mario Kart Wii and 7 almost exclusively and Ultimate giving them voices again makes me super nostalgic for MKWii. I am so excited to play them again online in Ultimate.
Now: Palutena was a character I planned on maining on release until I actually played her. She is shockingly really bad at being able to actually do much of anything beside use her solid mobility to get grab follow-ups and use her invincible shield. Customs Palutena felt like a pretty fun character outside of the overcentralized (and borderline busted) Lightweight but, alas, most players don't use customs. I hope they fix a couple of her customs to make them more useful if they return. If not, please make her have a useful special kit. She is looking like a bottom ten character in Ultimate right now. Seeing her get bodied by Charizard's up smash in the Pokemon Trainer character trailer hurt a lot.
Now: Pac Man and Sonic will be forever worthy of the Smash Bros. Roster and I hope they never leave it. If Sakurai or Nintendo have to cut characters, I feel like these two should stay more than a lot of first party veterans. That being said, it is really wacky how Sakurai got this character to work. I don't think anyone expected the moveset he got (except bonus fruit and turning into a pizza in some of his moves).
- Villager - Mega Man - Wii Fit Trainer - Rosalina & Luma - Little Mac - Greninja - Mii Fighters - Palutena - Dark Pit - Robin & Lucina - Shulk - Bowser Jr. - Duck Hunt
Oh lord you mean I get to be a prerelease Ridley main and they might show off a new character while I'm there? Niiiiiiice
I only ever had a problem with
, and . And now I warmed up to first two. Really, liking everyone is a lot easier then character hate.
On reveal:
Perfect newcomer choice that I’m comfortably familiar with, have had a desire to see playable, and they look fun so I can’t wait to play as them!ultmiifighters: Solid newcomer choice that I may not be as excited for or familiar with, but I get what they represent, and they might be fun to play as. Never wanted to see playable, but he does bring the Koopalings along, so that’s one thing. I had no desire to see them playable nor interest in their playstyle. At least Bowser Jr. gave me something. I could live without them. Caught in the hype cycle, I may have exaggerated their worth, I feel like the roster would have been fine without them. ultmiifighters: Already feel like dated additions. I don’t know why I was even moderately excited for them.
, the Mario newcomers and . I'm not a massive consumer of "modern" Nintendo and felt hugely disappointed that the series I grew up with () barring Mario and Pokemon got basically nothing.
I'm personally expecting a melee approach, meaning beefing up franchises with highly demanded characters. We'll get a few new series (obviously already have) but nothing like Smash 4.
Melee approach?
If only that was the actual reason Wario is panicking. Maybe next time...
Stuff like this is why it's good that the franchise isn't done yet. 4 felt like an experiment across the board.
I'd say they'll concentrate on established series, seeing as there hasn't been too much new Ninty franchises created lately that can easily provide newcomers. Might even pull out some from their back catalog, if need be.
Thank god, another update with more than one thing in it!
Today's Stage:
Lylat Cruise
This stage rests on top of the spacecraft Pleiades. Since the craft tilts from side to side, it can affect the trajectory of ranged attacks as well your recovery distance.
FINALLY SOME MORE DAEMON X MACHINA FOOTAGE. I am easily most hyped for Daemon X Machina out of that line-up. As a major sci-fi/mech nerd, I'm so happy to see Nintendo trying a mech IP and it looks awesome so far. Can't wait.
I’ll really end up echoing what a lot of others have said:So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).
So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me
Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
Now: Villager was my main late into Smash 4's lifespan, and I feel playing him competitively soured him for me. I think he is still a fun character, but something feels very off and it makes him frustrating to play as. He's really good in free-for-alls too, but I just don't like playing as him anymore. I feel like he's very similar in Ultimate, which is great for people who enjoy him. I'll always adore Villager for what he is and have a lot of attachment to him, but I feel he isn't that fun to play as anymore.
Now: And how that expectation was unfortunately crushed. Remember hearing the bad commentator go crazy about Mega Man at E3 2013 and seeing his down smash do Melee Peach down smash levels of damage? That is not what we got on reveal. See I don't hate the design in theory, but once again I didn't enjoy his execution. It feels like he only relied on fishing for back air kills, getting the footstool combo (rip), or getting uair ceiling kills (rip) when it came to actually KO'ing an opponent. It's a shock to see almost everything outside lemons feel very stiff and now that up air is worse, I feel lemons are going to be more centralizing in Ultimate. Really comes to show how great marketing is.
Now: Wii Fit Trainer is like that super attractive and supportive person in your life that you kind of ignore when you're younger because you're stupid and dense. Despite her being a bad character, I really grew to like Wii Fit. Not to mention, she is the only girl I feel comfortable having a relationship with in real life out of the female Smash Bros. characters. Wii Fit Studio is still an incredibly boring stage though.
Now: Man I wish Rosalina and Luma were closer to Melee Ice Climbers in Smash 4's mechanics. These two are really strong and polarizing in Smash and Rosalina was pretty insane during the Smash 3DS days. Despite her losing to top tier characters like pre-patch Diddy and now Cloud, she is still a gatekeeper character keeping a lot of characters out of viability even before DLC.
Now: Memes aside, I just wish Little Mac was adjusted a little for single player mode. A character that has really bad aerial options doesn't work too well in traversing large terrain like Smash Run. At least side b doesn't put him into freefall anymore. Also, I wish he used Star Punch instead of KO punch and wasn't so rewarded for getting hit. It really doesn't fit his character imo.
Now: Greninja is actually one of the most enjoyable characters for me to play as now. I'm not super invested into Pokemon or Greninja (I picked Fennekin in X and Y), but he feels super clean to play as. I feel he is also pretty good in FFAs, since he can get KO's pretty well with up air, up smash, shadow sneak and even Shuriken or hydro pump. Everything works really well and I'll definitely keep playing him in Ultimate.
Now: The Miis were a thing I always liked using. I used them in Mario Kart Wii and 7 almost exclusively and Ultimate giving them voices again makes me super nostalgic for MKWii. I am so excited to play them again online in Ultimate.
Now: Palutena was a character I planned on maining on release until I actually played her. She is shockingly really bad at being able to actually do much of anything beside use her solid mobility to get grab follow-ups and use her invincible shield. Customs Palutena felt like a pretty fun character outside of the overcentralized (and borderline busted) Lightweight but, alas, most players don't use customs. I hope they fix a couple of her customs to make them more useful if they return. If not, please make her have a useful special kit. She is looking like a bottom ten character in Ultimate right now. Seeing her get bodied by Charizard's up smash in the Pokemon Trainer character trailer hurt a lot.
Now: Pac Man and Sonic will be forever worthy of the Smash Bros. Roster and I hope they never leave it. If Sakurai or Nintendo have to cut characters, I feel like these two should stay more than a lot of first party veterans. That being said, it is really wacky how Sakurai got this character to work. I don't think anyone expected the moveset he got (except bonus fruit and turning into a pizza in some of his moves).
Sm4sh newcomers were pretty disappointing, especially considering the major series being eschewed for a bunch of flavors of the month. Not that I don’t want newbies - I just think that a ticket into Smash should involve more than “this game came out within the right 6 month window.”Here are all the before/after character predictions:
Before: I'm really disappointed this was the ballot winning character.
After: This character ruins the game.
Before: This is a pretty cool addition. One of the few Smash 4 newcomers I'm familiar with!
After: Wow, something about playing him just feels wrong.
Before: I get who this is, but I'm not interested in playing as him.
After: See Bayonetta.
Before: Enough salt to fill a mine. Really upset we got this blatant advertisement when I thought we were only getting ballot fanservice characters.
After: I also don't like playing against them but at least they're not Cloud or Bayo.
Before: This is unexpected, but I dig it.
After: I don't dislike this character but don't play as them.
Before: Pokemon is cool but there were others I'd prefer. Kinda overshadowed by Charizard in his own reveal imo.
After: I don't enjoy playing as them at all.
Before: Who even is this character?
After: They're occasionally fun for the memes I suppose.
Before: Meh.
After: Meh.
Before: Glad they're in though I was never a huge Mega Man fan.
After: I don't care enough about the series to play until this character doesn't feel alien to me.
Before: Wasn't surprised but didn't care.
After: lol I never played as them
Before: Absolute legend. Cool to see him here.
After: He's kinda fun to play. Not a regular but no johns here.
Before: I have no idea who this is but I'm already turned off by her anime trailer.
After: dear goodness this character isn't fun or interesting at all.
Before: we've already got enough boring anime humans without a boring edgy clone of them.
After: I'd play as him but I wouldn't have fun doing it.
:ultrobin
Before: yay a slightly less dull FE character!
After: nevermind they feel horrible to play as.
Before: she's cool and her mechanic looks really interesting.
After: I still like her but wish they'd tone down a couple of things.
Before: FINALLY a character I feel unmitigated hype for.
After: Really fun to play. Glad he's returning now.
Before: Nearing my breaking point of anime swordsmen
After: I have a good friend who plays Shulk so have ended up appreciating him for the memes.
Before: Animal Crossing is a boring series.
After: Villager is a boring character.
Before: Eww.
After: Eww.
tl;dr: I had a lot of salt for pretty much everyone on the roster barring
