Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Onua]

> watch source gaming vod

> see icon for fossil fighter if he was in smash

> remember hes not going to be in smash and cry

 

[Apollo500]

You know what, I have a fun game for us to play...

Name the number one character from each Franchise that you know isn't going to be in Smash (like ever), but would love to see
I'll go first
Mario: Fawful
Donkey Kong: Funky Kong
Wario: Captain Syrup
Metroid: Mother Brain's Final form in Super Metroid
Zelda: Vaati or Tingle
MOTHER: Kumatora
Star Fox: James Mc.Cloud
Punchout: Mr.Sandman
Pokemon: Braixen
Fire Emblem: I dunno, Lyn?
Sonic: Blaze
Kid Icarus: Magnus
F-Zero: Deadborn
Kirby: Gooey
Metal Gear: Raiden
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook
PAC-MAN: Tac-Man
Xenoblade: Dunban
Street Fighter: Alex
Final Fantasy: Noctis
Bayonetta: Father Rodin
Splatoon: Dj Ocatvio
(if Castlevania does get in: Trevor Belmont)

Mario: Shy Guy
Donkey Kong: Cranky Kong
Yoshi: Kamek (technically a Mario character, I know, but he had a bigger role in the Yoshi series and I wanted an excuse to put both Shy Guy and Kamek here)
Wario: Captain Syrup
Zelda: Marin
MOTHER: Kumatora
Pokemon: Tapu Koko
Fire Emblem: Tiki (preferably Adult Tiki) or Linde
Kirby: Marx
Animal Crossing: Mr. Resetti
Xenoblade: Melia
Final Fantasy: Vivi
Bayonetta: Rodin
Splatoon: DJ Octavio

 

[Blargg888]

Ah, the composer of the Galaga Medley is the same guy who did the Brawl Tal Tal Heights remix and the Shadow Man Stage remix in 4!

This guy does some really good work in Smash.



Also, I haven't seen anyone mention the Ground/Underground Smash 4 remix yet. Those were pretty spectacular.



I feel like people overstate Smash 4's soundtrack being "bad". The game had a ton of great songs in it.
Ultimate's OST is looking fantastic, yeah, but I wouldn't exactly say it's on a whole different level.




It's interesting seeing people's Smash 4 Newcomers thoughts.

I had no idea that ''kerning" actually had a proper name, but I knew it was a thing that really pissed off graphic designers.

It's a fun word though. ''Kerning."

Makes me want popcorn.

My favorite part about the word "kerning" is that the word "keming" itself happens to be often subjected to bad "kerning" itself due to its spelling.

 

[blazefan519]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me

Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)

Spoiler

: On Reveal: I had never played an Animal Crossing game so I didn't really feel anything for the character
Now: My main along with Ness. Finally bought New Leaf and had a great time.
: On Reveal: Never played a Megaman so didn't feel anything, though it was fun to see people react
Now: I'm still pretty indifferent to him but I like seeing Kameme and Scatt play him
: On Reveal: I'll be honest. I was one of those fans back then. I got really angry because I thought she made no sense as a fighter, ashamed to admit it.
Now: Now that I've matured somewhat I think she's a pretty cool character. Seeing John Numbers play her is fun.
: On Reveal: Never really cared for Rosa. She used to be one of my favorite Mario characters but after they kinda shoehorned her in everything after Galaxy, I just got tired of seeing her.
Now: Considering I main Ness, I despise everytime I have to go against her.
: On Reveal: Another game series I never played. Can't say I was into his reveal although Doc Louis makes me happy everytime he speaks. "You ain't no air fighter Mac. Whatchu doin up there? Smash ain't no joke."
Now: Kek, remember when everyone thought he was the most broken character in the game. Good times.
: On Reveal: Fennekin was my favorite starter from Gen 6 so kinda salty that froggy boi got in instead, but I got over it.
Now: It's funny how he basically became Smash 4's biggest meme, and the jank you can do with his up special is pretty fun to watch.
: On Reveal: The reveal trailer for this was amazing. Iwata (RIP) vs Reggie was one of the greatest things I ever had to behold. Plus this was also the reveal for amiibo the bane of every collector's existence kek
Now: A shame that you couldn't use them online, Mii Gunner was definitely my favorite out of the three.
: On Reveal: I hadn't played Kid Icarus at the time so all I knew was that it was "that one chick from Pit's FS in Brawl, she can fight?"
Now: After playing Uprising and it being one of my favorite games of all time, it's fun to play as her and come across players that use her. Also her side taunt
: On Reveal: I remember that conspiracy theory going around that you could see a cloud in the shape of Pac-man during Greninja's trailer and I was laughing at those fools. Then he got revealed...
Now: He's a cool character and my lil bro mains him, he's annoying as all hell with him as well. Also have you seen Sinji play Pac-man? Guy is on another level.

I feel like people overstate Smash 4's soundtrack being "bad". The game had a ton of great songs in it.
Ultimate's OST is looking fantastic, yeah, but I wouldn't exactly say it's on a whole different level.

I agree. It definitely is nowhere good as Brawl's imo but there are still some good bops in there. Personal favorite song is the Magicant theme. Speaking of which, I'm happy that Magicant and Fourside are coming back as stages. The more Earthbound love the better.

 

[TreeBranch]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me

Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)

Spoiler

I'd really like to make a comparison from reveal to release, but I was just really indifferent to most of the characters at first. Although I was really into speculation, I was mostly focused on veterans. I wasn't really familiar with most of the characters not already in due to being in like 4th grade around the most of their reveals. I was mostly just excited for any newcomers at all. By time of the infamous leak though, I began wanting specific newcomers. I was much more excited for DLC.

Spoiler: Newcomers

Spoiler: DLC

 

[Omega Tyrant]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

Outside of what I saw as a couple glaring omissions, looking at the newcomers from as objective of a view as I can I think the Smash 4 newcomers were chosen well and covered a lot of bases in their popularity, representation, and what they brought to Smash. On a personal level though, it would be hard to get a newcomer lineup that would be any more unappealling to me.

I like Mega Man as a character and was pleased to see him in Smash while I had some interest in playing him, but upon actually getting to try him upon release I quickly found he was not for me at all. I like Little Mac and Punch-Out, and thus liked to see him in Smash, so his (expected) reveal pleased me (especially with his great reveal trailer that I thought was the best of Smash 4), while there was mild interest in playing him. When it came to playing Little Mac, since the beginning of Smash 4 I always found him a fun character to fool around with, but he was never someone I took as a serious main candidate. With Bowser Jr., I always found the idea of him in Smash incredibly unappealling and never liked him much as a character, though upon Ninka Kiwi leaking him being in the game and learning the details of him fighting in the Koopa Clown Car, I found that idea very intriguing and he became my most looked forward to newcomer. Though like Mega Man, upon actually playing him he didn't click with me at all and I didn't him find him that much fun, leading to me quickly casting him aside. Then Ryu I thought was a nice surprise but didn't care much for playing him, but overtime he became my favorite character to watch in Smash 4 and near the end I started playing around with him too, though I never ended up playing him that seriously.

Then for the rest of the Smash 4 newcomers none of them appealed to me at all, and playstyle wise I outright dislike most of them, overall Ryu and Little Mac were the only ones I ended up remotely liking by the end and Ryu is the only one I would ever consider giving a serious try at maining. Factor that with me losing my Brawl co-main and overall favorite Smash character Wolf, as well as losing my secondary Snake, while my other Brawl co-main Dedede ended up really undertuned while never getting buffed, Ganon not getting buffed enough to compensate, and Lucario getting changes I really disliked, that's why I once described Smash 4's roster as a kick in the balls to me. Fortunately Smash 4 ROB was able to hold me over and I ended up really enjoying solo Zard, so I was still able to really enjoy Smash 4 and advance as a competitive player well beyond what I did in Brawl, but I can't help but wonder how the past four years would have been for me if the roster selection and changes went just a bit differently.

The main problem I really have with the Smash 4 newcomers is that it seemed like Sakurai needlessly went out of his way to make them all ~unique~ to a detriment, a bit less gimmicks and a few more conventionally-designed fighters would have benefited the characters and the game I think. But regardless I can't be upset about how Smash 4's newcomers went, I was quite spoiled by Brawl's (getting Lucario, Dedede, Meta Knight, and Wolf among newcomers I really wanted, while also later finding I really clicked with Snake and ROB), and then in Ultimate I'm getting Wolf and Snake back alongside finally getting Ridley, so I will get to see how I fare without feeling limited by the roster.

 

[Deleted member]

i know it's Smash and you are not supposed to ask a lot of questions but how is Robin able to read through all the crap that is happening behind him.

Magic!

...okayitwasn'tfunnynoboosplz

Why does it hurt so much?

It's the realization that most of us we'll be in our thirties before he gets another shot at the roster. That assumes they don't reconsider ATs for DLC but I am not counting on that.

I just hope that the franchise stays active this time so he gets another shot at reconsideration. Otherwise, we're looking at another Golden Sun situation where he may not even show up at all.

That Bomberman looks too perfect. He was my most wanted third party character. Now I'm sad.

He was my most wanted newcomer for this game. At least we get awesome artwork like this.

 

[Mutsukki]

Ah, the composer of the Galaga Medley is the same guy who did the Brawl Tal Tal Heights remix and the Shadow Man Stage remix in 4!

This guy does some really good work in Smash.



Also, I haven't seen anyone mention the Ground/Underground Smash 4 remix yet. Those were pretty spectacular.



I feel like people overstate Smash 4's soundtrack being "bad". The game had a ton of great songs in it.
Ultimate's OST is looking fantastic, yeah, but I wouldn't exactly say it's on a whole different level.

Personally. I don't think music quality in Smash 4 is too bad. I mean, I do think some of the worst songs in the series history came from there, but overall there are some reaaaally good songs. The thing about Smash 4 is how less of a celebration it felt unlike Brawl and how it wasn't as tight as Melee or 64. Brawl wasn't always able to do it, but it very much tried to be fair across the whole spectrum of series, while Smash 4 is just a weird mess of everybody doing whatever they want. It sounds good maybe, but it's the bad kind of liberty, it's the exact reason we got 3 versions of Mute City and DKC 1-1 and some series getting only one song (or if you like WarioWare and live in the West, zero songs) while others got like 15.

 

[Luminario]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me

Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)

Spoiler

 

[Zinith]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me

Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)

Spoiler

I don't think my opinions on the Smash 4 newcomers are all that different from when they were revealed (love Mega Man, eh on Pac-Man, etc.) and I already made a thread on what my opinions of them are, so...

 

[Deleted member]

A lot of Smash For’s music felt very samey.

For instance, Glory of Heracles and King DeDeDe Theme (Ver. 2) feel very, very similar despite the fact that they’re both incredibly different games, settings, characters, and composition. Like, what the hell?

Because both are remixed by the same composer.

Le duh.

 

[TreeBranch]

I really enjoyed a lot of Smash 4's music. Pacman and MegaMan got a bunch of bangers and they somehow made a duck hunt remix. What really hurts the games music selection in my opinion is the lack of returning songs. Like seriously what happened to Earthbound and Warioware? There were a bunch of really great remixes they decided to leave out for seemingly no reason.

 

[PhantomShab]

Patchy made an incredible Bomberman artwork that resembles SSBU.

Spoiler

Bomberman shoving the bomb up Wario's creek is quite hilarious:

View attachment 155177

Holy crap that looks fantastic and actually genuine. If I was told that was real I'd believe it no question. Bonus points for placing him by Wario for the Wario Blast reference.

It really sucks this will never actually happen now.

 

[osby]

Spoiler

Overall, I felt like Villager, Mega Man, and Pac-Man were all pretty great reveals, as well as being implemented well, but everyone else ranges from 'meh' to 'why?'
As a whole, I feel like Smash 4's first party newcomer has easily been the weakest in all of the series. Even the sole inclusions of Inkling and Ridley put a majority of Smash 4's first party additions to shame, in my opinion.

It's exact opposite for me. I liked pretty much every newcomer in Smash For. This game?
I care about Daisy a lot less than Dark Pit and Lucina, Inklings were cool like Villager and Ridley is my third least favourite Nintendo character.

Again, everyone is here, so I don't have a issue, but still Inklings seems to be going to highlight of the newcomers for me. A shame but I can't really complain after getting so many great characters last game.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me

Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)

Spoiler

I'm not really going to go through each newcomer individually, because my feelings on the newcomers is shared between a lot of them. I think Smash 4 introduced a lot of newcomers that definitely deserved to be there () with a fair share of good surprise choices that make sense in hindsight (), and this also goes for the ones that'll be covered in your future post.

Despite being able to see them as generally good additions there was not a single newcomer in Smash 4 that really appealed to me though. I largely prefer Nintendo's oldschool stuff, so the amount of characters chosen largely on relevancy didn't exactly get me giddy, and on top of that I also prefer simple playstyles, so while I can appreciate the innovative gimmicks most of them came with it only put me off from playing them. I also felt there was a lack of variety in some areas, we didn't get a single heavy weight character, we got even less villains than ever, and almost every newcomer was a human, it did not balance itself out in the same way Brawl's newcomer roster did, which was a big disappointment.

I'm never going to say that Smash 4's newcomers were objectively bad additions, that would be insanity, but from a purely personal point of view I was left disappointed. In the end the only newcomer I ended up playing to some extend was Lucina, and she's basically just Marth, so other than when I was messing around with friends I ended up only playing veterans. Like, if you go to records and view my most played characters most of the ones at the bottom are Smash 4 newcomers, which is a shame.

 

[Nonno Umby]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me

Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)

Spoiler

Reveal:He felt very natural, and being a fan of AC I was happy to see him
Now: he is the only character I can't use properly. I had the most struggle completing All Star mkde on hard with him.

Reveal: Not a super fan of Mega Man, but he fits so well I really liked him.
Now: Still a great fit, although I rarely play as him.

Reveal: I LOVED her immediately. She is such a great pick that only Sakurai would consider.
Now: I don't play as her as I would like.

Reveal: I was shocked that she was picked, but in a good way since I really like her, and she is my main in most Mario spin off.
Now: She is my tertiary main.

Reveal: I was very angry because I just had a discussion with a friend of mine about how he didn't make sense since he can only punch. Also, while I really like Punch-Out games, I never felt anything for Mac.
Now: he is almost a joke to fight. I LOVED when people thought that he was broken and then Sakurai revealed that he was the characters with the most loss.

Reveal: I was one of those people very angry about the Mewtwo tease, but he still looked cool.
Now: I don't really play him that much, but he is still cool.

Reveal: That Iwata vs. Reggie made history. I was hyped.
Now: I like casually playing with them, I made several Miis.

Reveal: I was very happy, since she was among my most wanted.
Now: I HATE her default moveset in Smash For, I really hope that they did her in ultimate since I want to play with her so badly.

Reveal: Great pick, and looked fun.
Now: Can't play because of that dann grab.

Reveal: She made sense, and I liked her in Awekenjng, even tho she wasn't among my top favourites.
Now: She is one of my mains, while I never played that much of Marth. Enough said.
:ultrobin
Reveal: Very surprised that they didn't pick Chrom, but he looked cool.
Now: He is very still very cool, I should play him more.

Reveal: I never played Xenoblade before Smash For, so I didn't felt much. He was also leaked at least two times so no shock.
Now: I hate him because I sucks at using him but every Shulk main can beat me very easily since he is so unpredictable for me.

Reveal: They were leaked, but I still was very surprised about them when I saw in that ERSB leak.
Now: They have a very interesting moveset, but not my cup of tea.

Reveal: I hated him a lot because of how dumb he was a clone choice, especially for how little he differs from Pit all while Alm was available as a costume.
Now: I still find him dumbely identical to Pit, but hopefully Ultimate might change a little bit his moveset.

 

[BlondeLombax]

> watch source gaming vod

> see icon for fossil fighter if he was in smash

> remember hes not going to be in smash and cry

Some helpful advice:

 

[DJ3DS]

I'm not really going to go through each newcomer individually, because my feelings on the newcomers is shared between a lot of them. I think Smash 4 introduced a lot of newcomers that definitely deserved to be there () with a fair share of good surprise choices that make sense in hindsight (), and this is also goes for the ones that'll be covered in your future post.

Despite being able to see them as generally good additions there was not a single newcomer in Smash 4 that really appealed to me though. I largely prefer Nintendo's oldschool stuff, so the amount of characters chosen largely on relevancy didn't exactly get me giddy, and on top of that I also prefer simple playstyles, so while I can appreciate the innovative gimmicks most of them came with it only put me off from playing them. I also felt there was a lack of variety in some areas, we didn't get a single heavy weight character, we got even less villains than ever, and almost every newcomer was a human, it did not balance itself out in the same way Brawl's newcomer roster did, which was a big disappointment.

I'm never going to say that Smash 4's newcomers were objectively bad additions, that would be insanity, but from a purely personal point of view I was left disappointed. In the end the only newcomer I ended up playing to some extend was Lucina, and she's basically just Marth, so other than when I was messing around with friends I ended up only playing veterans. Like, if you go to records and view my most played characters most of the ones at the bottom are Smash 4 newcomers, which is a shame.

Pretty much this. It took until Ryu showed up in DLC for me to get a character I was genuinely excited for.

 

[osby]

Considering this game introduced only one fighter from a new franchise (while last game introduced 3, initially), which direction it will go?
Will bulk of the newcomers will be from preexisting franchises, or from newly introduced universes? Common perception of fanservice among hardcore Smash fans seems to point the former, but who knows, really.

What you guys say? I personally loved how Smash For expanded its scope from Smash 64 games more then Melee and Brawn, but same can't be done easily in this game.

 

[Deleted member]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me

Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)

Spoiler

This era of Smash Bros. hype train was definitely different, but more out of the blue than Brawl. I was more so a kid when during Brawl's era, so this would pretty much be the adolescence/almost young adult era, so I'd have a bit higher of expectations, and boy, did this not disappoint.

Spoiler: NEWCOMERS

 

[dezeray112]

Looks like Nintendo is heading to Gamescom event this month with Smash Bros. Ultimate being a part of their line-up.

https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/1024570572817219584

If anything, I think its likely we may get further new information and possibly a new character reveal during the event.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Looks like Nintendo is heading to Gamescom event this month with Smash Bros. Ultimate being a part of their line-up.

https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/1024570572817219584

If anything, I think its likely we may get further new information and possibly a new character reveal during the event.

Oh lord you mean I get to be a prerelease Ridley main and they might show off a new character while I'm there? Niiiiiiice

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You guys should just be like me and like everything.

No really. I think the only series with a character that I don't like is Animal Crossing.

It's because of this that the only character I wasn't too keen on was Dark Pit and only because he was way too similar to Pit.

Playstyle is another matter entirely but Smash 4 did introduce some of my favorite characters to play like Little Mac and Robin so I got some great experiences with the newcomers, even if some of the characters in was excited for like Jr., Palutena and Shulk weren't all that fun to play.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I never had a problem with any newcomer in Smash ever.

Honestly.

That might change in Ultimate.

 

[Zinith]

So Smash Ultimate will be playable at Gamescom, as well as Super Mario Party and Daemon X Machina

Edit: OH!!! And also Lylat Cruise is on the blog!!!

 

[osby]

I never had a problem with any newcomer in Smash ever.

Honestly.

That might change in Ultimate.

I only ever had a problem with , and . And now I warmed up to first two. Really, liking everyone is a lot easier then character hate.

 

[RouffWestie]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

On reveal:
Perfect newcomer choice that I’m comfortably familiar with, have had a desire to see playable, and they look fun so I can’t wait to play as them!
ultmiifighters: Solid newcomer choice that I may not be as excited for or familiar with, but I get what they represent, and they might be fun to play as.
Never wanted to see playable, but he does bring the Koopalings along, so that’s one thing.
I had no desire to see them playable nor interest in their playstyle. At least Bowser Jr. gave me something.
—————
Today:
I could live without them. Caught in the hype cycle, I may have exaggerated their worth, I feel like the roster would have been fine without them.
ultmiifighters: Already feel like dated additions. I don’t know why I was even moderately excited for them.
The rest stayed the same.

 

[Zinith]

Today's Stage:

Lylat Cruise

This stage rests on top of the spacecraft Pleiades. Since the craft tilts from side to side, it can affect the trajectory of ranged attacks as well your recovery distance.

 

[Cosmic77]

As a lot of others have said, Smash 4 was okay, but a majority of the newcomers just didn't excite me at all. I think the only reveals that genuinely pumped me up were Rosalina, Mewtwo, and Lucas. Everyone else got a neutral or negative response from me.

I know we've only seen three newcomers and some returning cuts, but I'm already more satisfied with this Smash's character reveals than I ever was with the previous game. Bringing back Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer was incredible, and introducing Inklings and Ridley crossed off two of my most-wanted right from the beginning. Even though I'd like a lot more, I'm already content with what we have.

That being said, I don't expect much after E3, and I'm preparing myself for the rest of the reveals being subpar. I don't think Sakurai is gonna strictly add popular newcomers, and if Vergeben is correct, Simon Belmont and that mysterious third "controversial character" he hinted at will mark the beginning of my declining interest in the remaining newcomers, similar to Smash 4 after E3 2013.

 

[DJ3DS]

Here are all the before/after character predictions:

Spoiler

tl;dr: I had a lot of salt for pretty much everyone on the roster barring , the Mario newcomers and . I'm not a massive consumer of "modern" Nintendo and felt hugely disappointed that the series I grew up with () barring Mario and Pokemon got basically nothing.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Considering this game introduced only one fighter from a new franchise (while last game introduced 3, initially), which direction it will go?
Will bulk of the newcomers will be from preexisting franchises, or from newly introduced universes? Common perception of fanservice among hardcore Smash fans seems to point the former, but who knows, really.

What you guys say? I personally loved how Smash For expanded its scope from Smash 64 games more then Melee and Brawn, but same can't be done easily in this game.

I'm personally expecting a melee approach, meaning beefing up franchises with highly demanded characters. We'll get a few new series (obviously already have) but nothing like Smash 4.

 

[osby]

I'm personally expecting a melee approach, meaning beefing up franchises with highly demanded characters. We'll get a few new series (obviously already have) but nothing like Smash 4.

Melee approach?
Then I can't wait to play as Slippy, Nurse Peach, Froakie, Young Zelda, K.Rool and protag of Three Houses, even they are all clones.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Patchy made an incredible Bomberman artwork that resembles SSBU.

Spoiler

Bomberman shoving the bomb up Wario's creek is quite hilarious:

View attachment 155177

If only that was the actual reason Wario is panicking. Maybe next time...

CAN YOU SAY IT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.

Kinda like the game, I feel as if Smash For's OST has not aged well at all. I've made a spreadsheet for all of the series' games' OST from N64 to Ultimate (still a work in progress) and you could tell that there are some fantastic songs; MOTHER got some love it deserves and while we got some real good songs like Mario Paint Medley, unfortunately there's only in a few amount and doesn't deliver as a whole.
Only ONE new F-Zero remix and it was another Mute City remix. Only two remixes for Star Fox and Metroid. Not to mention Xenoblade BARELY got any love and only got a haphazardly made medley?

You could tell even already by looking at For's and then Ultimate's OST list with it's song selection and amount of "old and new" songs that it's a MUCH needed improvement looking at Ultimate overall. If we even get a Final Fantasy remix, it's done.

Stuff like this is why it's good that the franchise isn't done yet. 4 felt like an experiment across the board.

But I only played the 3DS version, so what do I know.

Considering this game introduced only one fighter from a new franchise (while last game introduced 3, initially), which direction it will go?
Will bulk of the newcomers will be from preexisting franchises, or from newly introduced universes? Common perception of fanservice among hardcore Smash fans seems to point the former, but who knows, really.

What you guys say? I personally loved how Smash For expanded its scope from Smash 64 games more then Melee and Brawn, but same can't be done easily in this game.

I'd say they'll concentrate on established series, seeing as there hasn't been too much new Ninty franchises created lately that can easily provide newcomers. Might even pull out some from their back catalog, if need be.

Today's Stage:

Lylat Cruise

This stage rests on top of the spacecraft Pleiades. Since the craft tilts from side to side, it can affect the trajectory of ranged attacks as well your recovery distance.

Thank god, another update with more than one thing in it!

 

[Jetsurge]

It's a new month! And with it 1,000,000 upcoming Nintendo Direct leaks.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Loving this Galaga mix but I can't help at wonder if it's in leiu of new Pac-Man tracks.

If only they'd touch the stuff between the end of the arcade era and that terrifying toothy design.

 

[BeardyBennett]

I will say, in regards to SM4SH, I was overall pleasantly surprised all-around. I think I only had correctly guessed Little-Mac, Pac-Man, and Villager for the roster. Of the newcomers, Mega Man was a main from release to today, Palutena and Shulk were early mains and now pocket mains for me, and solo Charizard was also a release-to-present main.

Musically I love the soundtrack honestly. I don't know how I would rank it among the series, maybe slightly below Brawl.

Biggest disappointment for me was the lack of a story mode. After Brawl, it felt like I got half a game this time around. I still love it, but it definitely feels a little empty or like it's missing something. No doubt I'll feel the same way with Ultimate.

So Smash Ultimate will be playable at Gamescom, as well as Super Mario Party and Daemon X Machina

Edit: OH!!! And also Lylat Cruise is on the blog!!!

FINALLY SOME MORE DAEMON X MACHINA FOOTAGE. I am easily most hyped for Daemon X Machina out of that line-up. As a major sci-fi/mech nerd, I'm so happy to see Nintendo trying a mech IP and it looks awesome so far. Can't wait.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So I am actually curious about this thread's thoughts on Smash 4's newcomers and how your views on them have changed since they were revealed (or you played them on release).

So I'm going to do some more in depth thoughts on the newcomers, including my initial impressions and my thoughts on them now. There are actually a lot of newcomers so I'm going to split it up in order of their reveal. Please forgive me if I sound really negative at times, Smash 4 was a frustrating game for me

Part 1 (E3 2013-2014):
(Dark Pit will be in the next one, since he was officially revealed after release)

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I’ll really end up echoing what a lot of others have said:

As a lot of others have said, Smash 4 was okay, but a majority of the newcomers just didn't excite me at all. I think the only reveals that genuinely pumped me up were Rosalina, Mewtwo, and Lucas. Everyone else got a neutral or negative response from me.

I know we've only seen three newcomers and some returning cuts, but I'm already more satisfied with this Smash's character reveals than I ever was with the previous game. Bringing back Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer was incredible, and introducing Inklings and Ridley crossed off two of my most-wanted right from the beginning. Even though I'd like a lot more, I'm already content with what we have.

That being said, I don't expect much after E3, and I'm preparing myself for the rest of the reveals being subpar. I don't think Sakurai is gonna strictly add popular newcomers, and if Vergeben is correct, Simon Belmont and that mysterious third "controversial character" he hinted at will mark the beginning of my declining interest in the remaining newcomers, similar to Smash 4 after E3 2013.

Here are all the before/after character predictions:

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tl;dr: I had a lot of salt for pretty much everyone on the roster barring , the Mario newcomers and . I'm not a massive consumer of "modern" Nintendo and felt hugely disappointed that the series I grew up with () barring Mario and Pokemon got basically nothing.

Sm4sh newcomers were pretty disappointing, especially considering the major series being eschewed for a bunch of flavors of the month. Not that I don’t want newbies - I just think that a ticket into Smash should involve more than “this game came out within the right 6 month window.”

Spoiler: Anyway, for my feelings, both at announcement (or ESRB leak) and after release

 

[Guybrush20X6]

IMO, Smash 4 is currently in the "it wasn't THAT good" phase that all games go through (Ocarina of Time is currently in the middle of one.) so people are harsher on it.

It had a lot of ambition in the wide array of different playstyles the newcomers brought and the breadth of 3rd party representation.

It seems a bit strange to say a lot of fan favorites got in when it lacked Ridley and King K. Rool but that's because we're taking what we got for granted now.

Characters like Mega Man, Little Mac, Bowser Jr and the Animal Crossing Villager were in big demand before the game and with DLC we got Roy and Mewtwo back.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Patchy made an incredible Bomberman artwork that resembles SSBU.

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Bomberman shoving the bomb up Wario's creek is quite hilarious:

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That truly is incredible art.

It's like looking at another timeline....

 

[NintenRob]

Ugh, generic anime JRPG guy with an unfitting British accent. Not exciting at all.

Oh hell naw, you did not just insult Adam Howdens Shulk. Unacceptable.