Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I will never understand their sheer hatred that Steve gets.

It just feels like people are letting the stigma that Minecradt is for kids affect them more then any real distaste for the character itself.

And I find that really ironic on a Nintendo forum.

Same can be said for some other games as well. Whenever i play a game, I don't judge the game based on the fanbase, it's just dumb to me.

I enjoy FNAF for example, (Although i admit, the gameplay is meh. Only like it for the lore) Yet i don't let the fanbase get me down.
I personally think Steve could make an interesting fighter.

 

[osby]

Same can be said for some other games as well. Whenever i play a game, I don't judge the game based on the fanbase, it's just dumb to me.

I enjoy FNAF for example, (Although i admit, the gameplay is meh. Only like it for the lore) Yet i don't let the fanbase get me down.
I personally think Steve could make an interesting fighter.

I don't want Steve in Smash because of the games, character or moveset potential. I want Steve in Smash, so we can get Smash fighters as Minecraft characters in his reveal trailer.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I really hate the idea of Steve in Smash. Could he theoretically be an interesting fighter? Yes. Does that mean I want or like him? Not at all. I don't even hate Minecraft, but Steve as a character is so nothing I can't make myself feel any shred of excitement towards him.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Honestly I don't see how people can bring themselves to hate other potential newcomers so much. The roster isn't going to realistically going to cater to anyone's specifics tastes. I couldn't care less for the likes of Ashley or Geno and I actively dislike Pyra, but you don't see me throwing a fit whenever someone mention any of them.

I don't care about Steve at all either, but if he gets into Smash, I won't cry over it. Yeah there's some characters I'd rather see, but there's other people out there who'd be thrilled to have Steve, so I'd let them have it and not try to ruin it for them with needless complaining.

 

[staindgrey]

Who the hell is this Steve I keep hearing about.

 

[prowler12]

Who the hell is this Steve I keep hearing about.

steve is the starting skin for minecraft

 

[staindgrey]

steve is the starting skin for minecraft

Oh. I had no idea that had a name.

...what a fittingly boring name choice.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I really hate the idea of Steve in Smash. Could he theoretically be an interesting fighter? Yes. Does that mean I want or like him? Not at all. I don't even hate Minecraft, but Steve as a character is so nothing I can't make myself feel any shred of excitement towards him.

I will be honest he is a very boring character.

Honestly I don't see how people can bring themselves to hate other potential newcomers so much. The roster isn't going to realistically going to cater to anyone's specifics tastes. I couldn't care less for the likes of Ashley or Geno and I actively dislike Pyra, but you don't see me throwing a fit whenever someone mention any of them.

I don't care about Steve at all either, but if he gets into Smash, I won't cry over it. Yeah there's some characters I'd rather see, but there's other people out there who'd be thrilled to have Steve, so I'd let them have it and not try to ruin it for them with needless complaining.

Agreed. we need more people like this. feel the same way. as long as we get more fighters, I'm happy with it.

 

[Murlough]

I will never understand their sheer hatred that Steve gets.

It just feels like people are letting the stigma that Minecraft is for kids affect them more then any real distaste for the character itself.

And I find that really ironic on a Nintendo forum.

Ok, who has been unironically saying this as an actual argument. I've seen it maybe three times in the time I've been in this thread total, outside of people bringing it up constantly, for the lulz.

This isn't people's main reason for not wanting Steve. Maybe, instead of ignoring Steve haters posts and making up your own guesses as to why we don't want him.....actually read our arguments.

This whole "People just don't want Steve cause annoying kids lul" thing needs to stop or I need someone to point out why it keeps being brought up so much.

Once again: I have seen this argument against Steve possibly 3 times total, its possible I missed it being broughr up several times so if thats the case please correct me.

I wish people who actually address the arguments made instead of putting words in people's mouths and assuming how others really feel. Thats just assuming....and you know.....thats bad 'n stuff.

EDIT: 6 edits and counting lets go I passed English

EDIT: I lost count of my corrections after twelve oml.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Honestly I don't see how people can bring themselves to hate other potential newcomers so much. The roster isn't going to realistically going to cater to anyone's specifics tastes. I couldn't care less for the likes of Ashley or Geno and I actively dislike Pyra, but you don't see me throwing a fit whenever someone mention any of them.

I don't care about Steve at all either, but if he gets into Smash, I won't cry over it. Yeah there's some characters I'd rather see, but there's other people out there who'd be thrilled to have Steve, so I'd let them have it and not try to ruin it for them with needless complaining.

Because it's about opinions. I'm allowed to think a character like Steve is super dumb. If he got in I'll state how I think it's dumb but it's not whining and moaning. That'd be constantly complaining about it over and over. I'd get my negatives out, and then move on.

If people are happy about Steve? Great, then good on them. I'm glad they're happy, but you see...I'm very selfish. I want who I want, not who others want.

 

[papagenos]

Who the hell is this Steve I keep hearing about.

the original guy from "blues clues"... I guess most people would rather have Joe in Smash for some reason.

 

[Rosalinatehplumber]

Jigglypuff was listed again, as one of the last characters to be added before the clones and Bowser Jr. in the files (or somewhere that shows when a character is completed and implemented.

Plus with absolutely no patches with a team that wanted (and tried) to balance the roster, she was untouched. Jigglypuff was saved this time because of the fact that Samurai wanted bring back everyone due to the ballot, but after this might not go well for her.

Here's the slots that Smb123w64gb found a while back for the Wii U version. Look where Jigglypuff is at.
Link: https://twitter.com/smb123w64gb/status/716577708247875584

 

[Enderwoman]

No, people would be upset about Inkling if that was it. It's mostly people like me who see Smash as a Nintendo crossover with some guest characters with historical relation to Nintendo. Minecraft would feel even more out of place than Cloud (at least FF in general has strong Nintendo ties) to those of us who view franchise that way.

so what you're saying is they reject it because its outside of their expectations of whats appropriate for smash, which to them is that it is merely a nintendo crossover which in itself is a notion created by the fact theyre just used to it, which is basically nostalgia.

you can come up with any arbitrary reason why a character shouldn't be in smash but at the end of the day its just opinions and nostalgia and not some objective criteria of what belongs in the game. A character "being on Nintendo" is code for "what I most likely have played back in the day". this is exactly why people are more willing to accept Sonic than either Snake or Cloud.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Ok, who has been unironically saying this as an actual argument. I've seen it maybe three times in the time I've been in this thread total, outside of people bringing it up constantly, for the lulz.

This isn't people's main reason for not wanting Steve. Maybe, instead of ignoring Steve haters posts and making up your iwn guesses as to why we don't want him.....actually read our arguments.

This whole "People just don't want Steve cause annoying kids lul" thing needs to stop or I need someone to point out why it keeps being brought up so much.

Once again: I have seen this argument against Steve possibly 3 times total, its possible I missed it coming up several times too so if thats the case please correct me.

I wish people who actually address the arguments made instead of putting words in people's mouths and assuming how others really feel. Thats just assuming....and you know.....thats bad 'n stuff.

EDIT: 6 edits and counting lets go I passed English

Yeah. everyone has there own motives for not liking a certain character.
I think a fanbase can slightly impact your opinion on said character.

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

As a fairly young person, I can say I don't obsess over those Games. I like FNAF and Minecraft, But I don't play either of them too much. I only play MC when my friends are on and only really like FNAF for the lore. the Gameplay is fun. but it's not my jam. I appreciate new mechanics being added though.
Never got into Fortnite or Angry birds though.

I completely agree. I think all of those games are totally fun and fair games all things considered, but their fan bases have completely ruined their reputation. So, for that reason, I wouldn't want a character from any of those series (I'd lump Undertale in there too).

If you ask me, there are really only three third parties that, in my eyes, are true icons that have left to be added. These being Simon, Rayman, and, I'm sure people wil disagree with me on this one, Crash. Honorable mentions go to Phoenix Wright and Heihachi.

 

[staindgrey]

the original guy from "blues clues"... I guess most people would rather have Joe in Smash for some reason.

Dude, Steve was so much better.

**** Joe.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I completely agree. I think all of those games are totally fun and fair games all things considered, but their fan bases have completely ruined their reputation. So, for that reason, I wouldn't want a character from any of those series (I'd lump Undertale in there too).

If you ask me, there are really only three third parties that, in my eyes, are true icons that have left to be added. These being Simon, Rayman, and, I'm sure people wil disagree with me on this one, Crash. Honorable mentions go to Phoenix Wright and Heihachi.

Yeah. Some of those games can be really fun, yet a fanbase ruins their reputation so quickly. It's kind of hard to talk about a game I like, per say FNAF, because everyone will jump to the conclusion I'm some cringey kid. Y'know?

On a side note, If people do want an Indie so badly, I see no reason why not to add Shovel Knight. Been a supporter since the ballot.

 

[Enchess]

so what you're saying is they reject it because its outside of their expectations of whats appropriate for smash, which to them is that it is merely a nintendo crossover which in itself is a notion created by the fact theyre just used to it, which is basically nostalgia.

you can come up with any arbitrary reason why a character shouldn't be in smash but at the end of the day its just opinions and nostalgia and not some objective criteria of what belongs in the game. A character "being on Nintendo" is code for "what I most likely have played back in the day". this is exactly why people are more willing to accept Sonic than either Snake or Cloud.

I mean your argument here literally applies to every possible character, even Goku or Superman. This argument could even justify Bruce Willis as a playable character. We all draw the line somewhere or else there'd be calls for memes in Smash. I don't think there's anything wrong with my line being "Nintendo or important to Nintendo". It's not really more arbitrary than "originated in a video game" at the end of the day.

 

[P.Kat]

Me not wanting Steve in Smash, has nothing to do with the fanbase, or the game, Aesthetic wise I just don't feel like he'll fit in Smash with his blocky style, but if Sakurai want's Steve in Smash, you better believe he'll find a way to make it work, as he did with many other characters.

If Steve makes it in, I won't be excited cause I have other characters I want to see in instead. But I wouldn't be angry either, I'd just be glad for them. We all have characters that we wish to see in Smash. So why crush anyone's enthusiasm, or refuse to buy the game over one character?

 

[Dracyoshi]

I remember when Minecraft wasn't considered a kids game back during the alpha & early beta and you could play it without shame as it was considered an original and new indie title. Good times. I miss those days... Minecraft wasn't always a "kids game" and it's sad that kids beginning to eat it up ruined its reputation like this.
But despite playing hundreds of hours of Minecraft during the beta, I don't really want Steve in Smash. His design is absolutely terrible, the blocky look would look very out of place in Smash and he really lacks moveset potential. I feel like Minecraft would be better represented by a stage with Steve placing blocks as a stage gimmick. It doesn't need a character.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If Echoes can't have different weights(so far our only information suggests that), then he'd ironically be impossible to be an Echo. On the other cap, he could make a fun and interesting clone if they give him unique properties. Maybe even a different Side B, but keep the Mario Spin. And be heavier than Dr. Mario, of course. With super armor perhaps? Though it'd have to be on specific moves and/or jumps, not just always having it to a certain degree, as that would be unbalanced.

Metal Mario is considerably heavier than Bowser though, and can survive well beyond 300% damage if opponents don't find a way to knock him off the stage.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If you ask me, there are really only three third parties that, in my eyes, are true icons that have left to be added. These being Simon, Rayman, and, I'm sure people wil disagree with me on this one, Crash. Honorable mentions go to Phoenix Wright and Heihachi.

While that's debatable, your choices are all pretty good nonetheless (and I support Crash).

Yeah. Some of those games can be really fun, yet a fanbase ruins their reputation so quickly. It's kind of hard to talk about a game I like, per say FNAF, because everyone will jump to the conclusion I'm some cringey kid. Y'know?

On a side note, If people do want an Indie so badly, I see no reason why not to add Shovel Knight. Been a supporter since the ballot.

I'd more so go towards Shantae myself. As much as I want Shovel Knight in, he admittedly has more odds stacked against him.

 

[Enderwoman]

I mean your argument here literally applies to every possible character, even Goku or Superman. This argument could even justify Bruce Willis as a playable character. We all draw the line somewhere or else there'd be calls for memes in Smash. I don't think there's anything wrong with my line being "Nintendo or important to Nintendo". It's not really more arbitrary than "originated in a video game" at the end of the day.

it does! and it's still true! bet ya find that one scary

but I don't worry about these things, because I don't think things in Smash will necessarily happen because people on the internet demand it and I draw the line with things a bit more complicated than just being on Nintendo. being on Nintendo has always been such a non argument and it's amazing how even after we've been through Sonic, Snake, Cloud and Bayonetta people still like to pretend that matters anymore

now give me crash and master chief sakurai

 

[Deleted member]

I just realized something: I want to see Groudon come back. Seriously, I think it is fitting to have Groudon back, but make it more useful when summoned by the Pokéball.

And let's bring Back Raikou while we are at it.

It's just odd to have 2 of the 3 legendary beasts.

 

[papagenos]

I think most people who would want minecraft in smash would be fine with just a stage, they'd probably be happy the game itself was in smash in some way more so than the "main character" got to be playable as I dont think theres much of an attachment to the character "steve" but rather an attachment to the minecraft property as a whole (the look of the world).

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I remember when Minecraft wasn't considered a kids game back during the alpha & early beta and you could play it without shame as it was considered an original and new indie title. Good times. I miss those days... Minecraft wasn't always a "kid's game" and it's sad that kids beginning to eat it up ruined its reputation like this.
But despite playing hundreds of hours of Minecraft during the beta, I don't really want Steve in Smash. His design is absolutely terrible and would look very out of place in Smash and with his lack of moveset potential, I feel like Minecraft would be better represented by a stage with Steve placing blocks as a stage gimmick.

A stage would definitely be a nice alternative. I wouldn't complain with this. I do beg to differ with the moveset potential though. Considering minecraft has so many items, Sakurai could easily make a moveset for him.

Me not wanting Steve in Smash, has nothing to do with the fanbase, or the game, Aesthetic wise I just don't feel like he'll fit in Smash with his blocky style, but if Sakurai want's Steve in Smash, you better believe he'll find a way to make it work, as he did with many other characters.

If Steve makes it in, I won't be excited cause I have other characters I want to see in instead. But I wouldn't be angry either, I'd just be glad for them. We all have characters that we wish to see in Smash. So why crush anyone's enthusiasm, or refuse to buy the game over one character?

Amen to that last statement. I would necessarily be excited, But I'd still be glad we got a new fighter.
I do feel though, that at this point, the aesthetic argument is kinda obsolete to me at this point. Smash Bros. doesn't have "one art style" that it should follow. We have Realistic Characters like Snake, Cartoon characters like sonic, Straight up weird characters like Mr. Game and Watch. so I don't understand that argument too much.


I will say that steve is looking a bit plain.

 

[ShadowTheHedgehogZ]

I mean it's like wanting Goku in Smash, it's probably not going to happen but that's why we want certain people right

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

Yeah. Some of those games can be really fun, yet a fanbase ruins their reputation so quickly. It's kind of hard to talk about a game I like, per say FNAF, because everyone will jump to the conclusion I'm some cringey kid. Y'know?

On a side note, If people do want an Indie so badly, I see no reason why not to add Shovel Knight. Been a supporter since the ballot.

Yeah, I know in my friend circle those games (ESPECIALLY Fnaf and Minecraft) are viewed with incredible disdain, which is pretty unfortunate if you ask me.

And yeah, I personally would love Shovel Knight, he's my most wanted indie. Granted, he definitely doesn't have the history that I feel third parties really should, but I do love his design and think he would have a fantastic moveset.

One third party I would secretly like to see, but I know people would kill me for, is Master Chief. He would make for an awesome final DLC character if you ask me, and would elevate this to quite possibly the best crossover in existence in my mind.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Yeah, I know in my friend circle those games (ESPECIALLY Fnaf and Minecraft) are viewed with incredible disdain, which is pretty unfortunate if you ask me.

And yeah, I personally would love Shovel Knight, he's my most wanted indie. Granted, he definitely doesn't have the history that I feel third parties really should, but I do love his design and think he would have a fantastic moveset.

One third party I would secretly like to see, but I know people would kill me for, is Master Chief. He would make for an awesome final DLC character if you ask me, and would elevate this to quite possibly the best crossover in existence in my mind.

No shame in that man. Master Chief could easily be a fun mix up. Honestly. Wanting them and expecting them are too different things. If you wanted Master Chief I'd say "Hey Cool" If you EXPECTED him I'd kinda go: "Huh?" I want Parappa Honestly. But i don't expect him.
Some of those weird characters I'm neutral on. I could really care less if Freddy is in smash, For example.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I mean your argument here literally applies to every possible character, even Goku or Superman. This argument could even justify Bruce Willis as a playable character. We all draw the line somewhere or else there'd be calls for memes in Smash. I don't think there's anything wrong with my line being "Nintendo or important to Nintendo". It's not really more arbitrary than "originated in a video game" at the end of the day.

This is besides the point, but having Bruce Willis in wouldn't be smart anyway, his stage would have breakable glass that hurts you just walking over it.

 

[Deleted member]

Do I have a problem with Minecraft?
Not really. Isn't my thing, but I have nothing against it.

Do I think there is "merit" to Steve to where he is "deserving" of being in Smash?
Yeah. Like it or not, Minecraft is huge. Having something in Smash would theoretically make sense, especially since it is part of Nintendo's history now. And Microsoft and Nintendo seem to be getting along just fine nowadays if the crossplay is anything to go by.

Do I want him in Smash?
**** no. Nothing about him interests me, and he's actually one of the few characters that I'd actually dislike seeing on the roster. Especially when people overglorify him or act like he's very likely to show up just because Minecraft is as big as it is.
Perfectly fine with a stage for Minecraft or an Assist Trophy role, though.

 

[P.Kat]

A stage would definitely be a nice alternative. I wouldn't complain with this. I do beg to differ with the moveset potential though. Considering minecraft has so many items, Sakurai could easily make a moveset for him.



Amen to that last statement. I would necessarily be excited, But I'd still be glad we got a new fighter.
I do feel though, that at this point, the aesthetic argument is kinda obsolete to me at this point. Smash Bros. doesn't have "one art style" that it should follow. We have Realistic Characters like Snake, Cartoon characters like sonic, Straight up weird characters like Mr. Game and Watch. so I don't understand that argument too much.


I will say that steve is looking a bit plain.

Yeah I guess when you put it like that with all the different art style we have, the whole aesthetic argument doesn't have much weight behind it.

But yeah maybe it's just because he looks so plain that I feel a sort of way towards him.

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

While that's debatable, your choices are all pretty good nonetheless (and I support Crash).



I'd more so go towards Shantae myself. As much as I want Shovel Knight in, he admittedly has more odds stacked against him.

Yeah, while the more realistic third parties are definitely cool and I like them, I do really hope we get at least one more cartoony third party in this game, they've always been my favorite personally.

No shame in that man. Master Chief could easily be a fun mix up. Honestly. Wanting them and expecting them are too different things. If you wanted Master Chief I'd say "Hey Cool" If you EXPECTED him I'd kinda go: "Huh?" I want Parappa Honestly. But i don't expect him.
Some of those weird characters I'm neutral on. I could really care less if Freddy is in smash, For example.

Yeah, that's completely fair. I just really hope that, if there is DLC for this game, the final character is mind blowing, and I can think of three outcomes for that. Either we get a direct competitor's character, like Master Chief, a different mindblow third party (like Sora and Crash as examples), or if Waluigi is somehow able to miraculously break free of his assist trophy chains, all three of which I'm completely down for.

 

[Enchess]

it does! and it's still true! bet ya find that one scary

but I don't worry about these things, because I don't think things in Smash will necessarily happen because people on the internet demand it and I draw the line with things a bit more complicated than just being on Nintendo. being on Nintendo has always been such a non argument and it's amazing how even after we've been through Sonic, Snake, Cloud and Bayonetta people still like to pretend that matters anymore

now give me crash and master chief sakurai

Well, Sakurai has stated he wasn't sure he would've added Cloud if Cloud hadn't been on Nintendo platforms before. Cloud was also stated to represent FF as a whole, not his specific game. FF series has tons of history with Nintendo. Sonic had already had plenty of Nintendo appearances and at the time was widely viewed as the most important non-Nintendo character to Nintendo because of the rivals turned friends history with Sega. Bayonetta is for all practical purposes a Nintendo franchise now due to them owning the publishing writes, funding 2/3 of the franchise, and treating Bayonetta as a Nintendo character in marketing (I think I saw someone saw Bayonetta was the only 3rd party with a E3 Smash Ultimate prop display. correct me if someone else did).

Snake is and has always been the one real exception to the rule, and even then he still has history with Nintendo. Just the least. Minecraft would have even less.

It's not that I find it "scary" per se, I just think the series is going to get incredibly sloppy if they keep blurring the line. There's definitely something to be said about unity of vision and every 3rd party has weakened Smash's a bit. Whether or not you care is personal preference. Personally, I could never get into Mugen because it feels all over the place. I think this issue plagued Playstation All-Stars too. Playstation characters just don't feel quite right mixed together. It's like Ketchup on Ice Cream. Sure, both are awesome. Sure, some people like them together (and good for them). But it's not close-minded or stupid to say "actually I'd rather enjoy the two separately."

 

[Fatmanonice]

There doesn't seem to be any patterns for the character posts. So far we've had: . Currently counts out to 25 if you count all the Pokemon Trainer Pokemon and the Mii Fighters. A little more than a 1/3 of the already revealed cast after nearly 7 weeks with another 19 weeks to go. Still on pace with the 3 characters a week rate many of us predicted when the updates started again though.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

it does! and it's still true! bet ya find that one scary

but I don't worry about these things, because I don't think things in Smash will necessarily happen because people on the internet demand it and I draw the line with things a bit more complicated than just being on Nintendo. being on Nintendo has always been such a non argument and it's amazing how even after we've been through Sonic, Snake, Cloud and Bayonetta people still like to pretend that matters anymore

now give me crash and master chief sakurai

Well, i think we have to have some standards. and not just think everyone has a chance. I think they should be Nintendo, or have some history with Nintendo. Now, i noticed you mentioned Sonic, Snake, Cloud, and Bayonetta, as evidence this rule doesn't apply, but here's what i say: All those characters have been on a Nintendo system, and therefore the Company has a Relationship with Nintendo. That Company. after Publishing several games on Nintendo's console, they're familiar with each other. V.S. Shrek Super Slam And Knuckles or something like that. which got like, One game.

Yeah I guess when you put it like that with all the different art style we have, the whole aesthetic argument doesn't have much weight behind it.

But yeah maybe it's just because he looks so plain that I feel a sort of way towards him.

That I do agree with though. Steve is a pretty plain characters. and He doesn't have many other features that would make me want him.

Do I have a problem with Minecraft?
Not really. Isn't my thing, but I have nothing against it.

Do I think there is "merit" to Steve to where he is "deserving" of being in Smash?
Yeah. Like it or not, Minecraft is huge. Having something in Smash would theoretically make sense, especially since it is part of Nintendo's history now. And Microsoft and Nintendo seem to be getting along just fine nowadays if the crossplay is anything to go by.

Do I want him in Smash?
**** no. Nothing about him interests me, and he's actually one of the few characters that I'd actually dislike seeing on the roster. Especially when people overglorify him or act like he's very likely to show up just because Minecraft is as big as it is.
Perfectly fine with a stage for Minecraft or an Assist Trophy role, though.

I do agree Minecraft and Nintendo's relationship is a factor in Steve's smash Debut, if it happens.

 

[BlondeLombax]

I'm indifferent to anybody getting into Smash, even the likes of Steve(?). I don't think he's very likely, though, since unlike the other customizable protagonists like Villager and Inkling, they'd be the generic character of generic characters, and there's not necessarily a concrete Minecraft protagonist anyway.
But hey, if we got an amiibo of him, we'd likely get the best interpretation of him by Wario as seen here (has anyone seen these yet?)

 

[Enderwoman]

Well, Sakurai has stated he wasn't sure he would've added Cloud if Cloud hadn't been on Nintendo platforms before.

I find that incredibly difficult to fully believe because the idea of Sakurai going through his game appearances and only allowing himself to add Cloud because he made a cameo in obscure Kingdom Hearts and rhythm games sounds incredibly stupid to me. Cloud got in purely on his reputation of being a famous character. These arguments really are just excuses to try and shoot down a character.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

Why are we arguing about minecraft? Was there a new leak?

 

[Dracyoshi]

Minecraft and Undertale both used to be popular and praised indie games before they became popular with kids and their fanbase ruined their reputation. FNAF as well to an extent, but it was a bit more controversial as some people (including myself) considered them novelty shock horror. I remember seeing threads praising Undertale on /r/games around when it initially released! You won't see those anymore. Makes me glad that some of my favorite indies didn't have their fanbase become dominated by kids.

Considering minecraft has so many items, Sakurai could easily make a moveset for him.

Oh! I somehow didn't think of the possibility of him using items. Yeah, that'd work pretty well. He could use a diamond sword for basic attacks, the Elytra as his Up-B, flint & steel to set fires and even potions to give himself stat boosts in addition to the ability to place blocks and manipulate the stage.

I do feel though, that at this point, the aesthetic argument is kinda obsolete to me at this point. Smash Bros. doesn't have "one art style" that it should follow. We have Realistic Characters like Snake, Cartoon characters like sonic, Straight up weird characters like Mr. Game and Watch. so I don't understand that argument too much.


I will say that steve is looking a bit plain.

Yeah, he could easily get into Smash if Sakurai wanted him too. Minecraft is huge, and like or not it's been a big seller on Nintendo systems. It's just my personal opinion that he'd look too out of place and I dislike how plain he looks.