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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Speaking hypothetically here:

What if we DO indeed get a character reveal during or after EVO, but it’s NOT K. Rool, Dixie, Spring-Man, or Heihachi?

Who do you expect? Who do you want?

Expect: Bandana Dee, Chrom (since Robin and Lucina were originally revealed after EVO 2014, serving as a “The day is finally here” follow up to that trailer) or Simon

Want: Simon (doubt he’ll be so soon though), Elma, or Bandana Dee
That Chrom call back would actually be nice.

I'd expect a third party since we still haven't gotten a new one (unless the Snake reveal counts). So Rayman, Simon, Sora? None of them fit "Fighting Game" but I don't know if they need to.
 

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Well regarding Robin and Lucina's reveal, I recall Sakurai tweeted it 3 days before their reveal to stay tuned for it
 

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How much would you guys want this character back?

Gray Fox.
Take or leave, won’t affect me
Speaking hypothetically here:

What if we DO indeed get a character reveal during or after EVO, but it’s NOT K. Rool, Dixie, Spring-Man, or Heihachi?

Who do you expect? Who do you want?

Expect: Bandana Dee, Chrom (since Robin and Lucina were originally revealed after EVO 2014, serving as a “The day is finally here” follow up to that trailer) or Simon

Want: Simon (doubt he’ll be so soon though), Elma, or Bandana Dee
Expect: HYPE
Want: Viridi
 

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So thinking about it, which do you all think is more likely to be base roster, Rayman or Banjo Kazooie?
Rayman probably. He was in as a trophy and he isn't owned by another console making company. I'd like Banjo more though, mechanically, they'd be more fun. So would either Rash or Fulgore for Rare characters.

Speaking hypothetically here:

What if we DO indeed get a character reveal during or after EVO, but it’s NOT K. Rool, Dixie, Spring-Man, or Heihachi?

Who do you expect? Who do you want?

Expect: Bandana Dee, Chrom (since Robin and Lucina were originally revealed after EVO 2014, serving as a “The day is finally here” follow up to that trailer) or Simon

Want: Simon (doubt he’ll be so soon though), Elma, or Bandana Dee
If it's not any of those 4, then I'd probably expect Simon Belmont. He's a pretty classic game character as it is. And showing him off on the big stage would work.

What I would want is maybe Isaac or Incineroar for Nintendo characters, or another fighting game character as a third party(since you mentioned for it NOT to be Heihachi).
 
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That Chrom call back would actually be nice.

I'd expect a third party since we still haven't gotten a new one (unless the Snake reveal counts). So Rayman, Simon, Sora? None of them fit "Fighting Game" but I don't know if they need to.
Heihachi is a good one. I won't be surprised if we get a second Namco rep considering they're developing this one too. Remember last game Pac-Man was a shoo in because of Namco's involvement. Probably not the same for Heihachi or whomever but I think it's still incredibly likely.

Simon was in the greatest fighting game of all time.

They'll probably reveal Optimus Prime
Don't ****in hate on Dream Mix TV World Fighters! That ****'s my jam.
 

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What do you think about Megaman: Fully Charged references in Smash?


CAN IT BE POSSIBLE?
 
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Speaking hypothetically here:

What if we DO indeed get a character reveal during or after EVO, but it’s NOT K. Rool, Dixie, Spring-Man, or Heihachi?

Who do you expect? Who do you want?

Expect: Bandana Dee, Chrom (since Robin and Lucina were originally revealed after EVO 2014, serving as a “The day is finally here” follow up to that trailer) or Simon

Want: Simon (doubt he’ll be so soon though), Elma, or Bandana Dee
Isn't EVO a fighting game tourney? I doubt we'll get a reveal in the first place if it isn't Spring Man or Heihachi.

Unless Nightmare or Ivy are coming in (also great time for a new SC character reveal...Raphael please)

I've got a bit of Fire Emblem fatigue as well, but I do think Chrom got done dirty last round, so I would celebrate with his fans if his day did come. Would really hope for nothing more than an echo though.

And of course I'll always hope a Dovahkiin reveal is inbound, despite the absolute unlikeliness of that...
 

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I can’t get over how Paw Patrol-y the backgrounds look

The writing is good though, almost Sonic Boom levels of humor. I like the chiptune use and occasional sprite sequences too

(I watched an episode preview from SDCC on YouTube before watching this trailer)
 
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Well regarding Robin and Lucina's reveal, I recall Sakurai tweeted it 3 days before their reveal to stay tuned for it
I believe he said it on a Friday and we got the video on Monday. I definitely expect some kind of notice from him or Nintendo next week if we get something at EVO, doubt it'll be a random surprise reveal.
Heihachi is a good one. I won't be surprised if we get a second Namco rep considering they're developing this one too. Remember last game Pac-Man was a shoo in because of Namco's involvement. Probably not the same for Heihachi or whomever but I think it's still incredibly likely.
That could be but the post I was answering said hypothetically if the reveal wasn't Heihachi as he's one of the most predicted along with Spring Man. Side note I don't care for Heihachi for the same reasons I never cared for Ryu or Little Mac. Too basic human. I do like playing as Little Mac now though.
Isn't EVO a fighting game tourney? I doubt we'll get a reveal in the first place if it isn't Spring Man or Heihachi.
Yea but Smash is a fighting game, so any new character would be fighting game related, especially if they are added to the available demo build there (which I doubt).

Is ARMS even going to have presence at EVO? I feel like it says something if it isn't...
 

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The Bumper is one of the most feared and annoyingly great items in Smash, so making that have a sword form...murderous
Imagine if he wrapped his cape around it and tied it, it would then bump physical, and projectile attacks.
 

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Honestly? Just make an F-Zero GX HD and call it a day. It’d satisfy 98% of the fans including me, plus GX was basically the height of innovation for the series
Not me. I don't care for them to do something innovative with the series but I still want a bramd new game with new race tracks and a new look and feel.

I would love it if they went back to the Heavy Metal style in F-Zero X. Where the artwork and menus were all grungey and the music had wailing guitars. Every time I play that game I sprout horns flail my tongue and shoot flames out my nose!
 

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Speaking hypothetically here:

What if we DO indeed get a character reveal during or after EVO, but it’s NOT K. Rool, Dixie, Spring-Man, or Heihachi?

Who do you expect? Who do you want?

Expect: Bandana Dee, Chrom (since Robin and Lucina were originally revealed after EVO 2014, serving as a “The day is finally here” follow up to that trailer) or Simon

Want: Simon (doubt he’ll be so soon though), Elma, or Bandana Dee
Probably Chrom or Simon. I want to say Chrom because he is a bit of a meme within the community of Smash (though not in the way I'd like) and he was downright mocked the last time. I want to see him get his time to shine after the beatdown he received (honestly I think he had it worse then Waluigi).

Simon because he'd be huge news at an event like EVO. It'd be similar to how Tekken 7 revealed Geese Howard from Fatal Fury there. He may not be a fighting game character (despite Judgement existing) but he is almost video game royalty due to the NES trilogy so he'd be humongous news at a stage like EVO.
 

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Not me. I don't care for them to do something innovative with the series but I still want a bramd new game with new race tracks and a new look and feel.

I would love it if they went back to the Heavy Metal style in F-Zero X. Where the artwork and menus were all grungey and the music had wailing guitars. Every time I play that game I sprout horns flail my tongue and shoot flames out my nose!
If Kid Icarus gets a sequel years after Myth and Monsters then F-Zero GX needs a sequel.

Though I kinda want the music to kinda be like MGR'S music, If I really were to be honest
 

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I keep seeing people say they don't understand Geno hype and that he's some random character who appeared once a long time ago, and then people respond with a list objective reasons he's "important." But really I think the reasons are mostly subjective. He's like Ashley; he got popular because he's a standout character associated with a standout song. And because their support has been culminating since Brawl, they've had a lot of time to grow.

Also can someone point out what's so wrong with Wolf's jaw because I'm still not able to see it
 
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Not impossible, but I don't think they should do it. There's enough from the Classic games alone for Mega Man content. And then there's so much from Mega Man X, Battle Network, Legends and so on to pull from.
 

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Speaking hypothetically here:

What if we DO indeed get a character reveal during or after EVO, but it’s NOT K. Rool, Dixie, Spring-Man, or Heihachi?

Who do you expect? Who do you want?

Expect: Bandana Dee, Chrom (since Robin and Lucina were originally revealed after EVO 2014, serving as a “The day is finally here” follow up to that trailer) or Simon

Want: Simon (doubt he’ll be so soon though), Elma, or Bandana Dee
I doubt we're getting any character reveals at Evo. The only characters I could see being revealed would be Spring Man or Heihachi. I think the former appeared too late into Smash Ultimate's development to be considered, the the latter was rejected for Smash 3DS/Wii U because Sakurai felt that implementing his movement would be too difficult. Granted, Sakurai could always come back to the idea, but I personally don't see it happening.

Otherwise, if there were to be a reveal, it'd probably be a fan favorite, or someone that could appeal to the Evo audience. I'm not quite sure we'd see Bandanna Dee revealed there, but I firmly do not believe we'll end up seeing Chrom. Simon Belmont could be possible, seeing as Castlevania is a decently recognized series and all. A Soul Caliber character or Lloyd Irving if we do end up seeing another Namco Bandai character.

If Pokken Tournament had a slot in Evo, I could see them taking the opportunity to show Decidueye in Smash, or perhaps a new Pokken DLC character that'd also end up in Smash. But with Pokken not there, this wouldn't be the case.
 
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I'd expect a third party since we still haven't gotten a new one (unless the Snake reveal counts). So Rayman, Simon, Sora? None of them fit "Fighting Game" but I don't know if they need to.
I'm still of the opinion that no new 3rd Party character at E3 makes it more likely than not we won't get another one at all. It would just be bizarre to not announce them at E3 if they had them. I don't think they'd want to risk people missing the announcement and there's no 'safe' place I'm aware of to announce without less hardcore gamers missing it between E3 and release. E3 is like the one time non-Nintendo fans watch Nintendo stuff.
 

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If they reboot the franchise, I don't think that any of the original 12 are going anywhere.
The only one I see that has the most potential of being in danger is Jigglypuff due to her low priority. A reboot is going to change things up



As a matter of fact...WHY are we even discussing a reboot BEFORE Ultimate is even out? Are we really worried about what's going to happen 5-10 years in the future, or would we rather focus on the next 5 months before DLC is out and everything?

We were talking about a demo
Uh dude....there are two separate topics going on at the same time. There can be multiple topics going on at once

I made this roster for characters that I don't have as much faith in, but regard as very real possibilities. I'm not expecting people to like this roster. I just want it to be out there.
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There are 70 fighters, not counting echo fighters. Zeraora is #70. I'm prepared for the possibility that we may only get a few new fighters, so this is my forecast of that outcome.

All of my other rosters predict Excitebike and Mimikyu. But, Mach Rider may be easier to implement with the ability to assemble and dissemble his bike via particles/pixels for animations that won't fit (such as, jumping, swimming, or climbing ladders), but he uses his bike as his running animation, first jump, and most of his attacks.

Zeraora is my second pick if Mimikyu is not seen as a viable fighter by Sakurai. Zeraora isn't just electric like Pikachu. He has magnetic powers that allow him to levitate or encase himself in a shield. I believe this is the Pokemon that the Pokemon Company would want to promote if they don't choose Mimikyu. In case you are wondering, he's existed prior to 2018, where people data mined him out of Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon.

I'm really crossing my fingers for Ninten and if you are wondering why Dark Samus is an echo fighter, it's not because she's known for sharing Samus's abilities, but because, like Ganondorf, her model allows her to perform most if not all of Samus's animations, which is the process by which echo fighters are made. And of course, people have pointed out that she is missing from Samus's colors.
The only ones I disagree with on this roster is Ninten and Hilda even though they seem like to have good chances being Echo Fighters

I really do like how you add Zeraora onto this even though I'm mixed on whether we will get a new Pokemon rep on the base roster or not. Chances are, Zeraora would have a solid chance being DLC due to how Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon came out pretty late with the roster choices but whether the Pokemon Company threw Zeraora's name out in advance could be similar to Greninja's.

I don't think that Cap, Ness, or Jiggs will ever be cut from any Smash.
Ness was nearly cut from Melee in favor of Lucas so keep that in mind when you're referring to cutting characters.

The moment I saw Zeraora it turned less into a prediction and more into a want. (and with your comment on Ninten)
Y'know, predicting implies it's actually largely probable compared to others, not really what you hope to happen.
I wouldn't necessary say that it's fully a want on Zeraora. Z's chances would depend on what the Pokemon Company pick for their new Pokemon character due to how popular certain Pokemon are. Right now, the Alolan starters, Mimikyu, Lycanroc, and Zeraora are some of the most popular picks for a new Pokemon rep so far and I'm fine with any of them getting in

Who do you think will be the last veteran fighter showcased in the blog?
Considering the first character revealed is Mario for returning characters, I expect it to be one of the 3rd parties or Luigi getting revealed last.

Honestly being an event mon is imo enough to deconfirm Zeraora, just look at the Deoxys, Darkrai and Genesect fiascos from previous Smash speculations.

I feel its either going to be Decidueye or Mimikyu for the pokemon rep, or we get a Gen 8 pokemon for DLC
Well I could argue that Mewtwo is a Legendary Pokemon, which is the same status Zeraora has minus being Legendary AND Mystical

So we won't truly know who is in plan for DLC until post-release

Isn't EVO a fighting game tourney? I doubt we'll get a reveal in the first place if it isn't Spring Man or Heihachi.

Unless Nightmare or Ivy are coming in (also great time for a new SC character reveal...Raphael please)

I've got a bit of Fire Emblem fatigue as well, but I do think Chrom got done dirty last round, so I would celebrate with his fans if his day did come. Would really hope for nothing more than an echo though.

And of course I'll always hope a Dovahkiin reveal is inbound, despite the absolute unlikeliness of that...
As much as I like Chrom being in, I think we may need to take a step back and realize that adding 3 people from the same game (Lucina, Robin, and Chrom) would be a bit overkill considering we have so many Fire Emblem games with different characters. I get that Fates saved the series, but it's time for a diversity in the series
 

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I keep seeing people say they don't understand Geno hype and that he's some random character who appeared once a long time ago, and then people respond with a list objective reasons he's "important." But really I think the reasons are mostly subjective. He's like Ashley; he got popular because he's a standout character associated with a standout song. And because their support has been culminating since Brawl, they've had a lot of time to grow.

Also can someone point out what's so wrong with Wolf's jaw because I'm still not able to see it
He has no lower jaw bone in the last shot of his trailer and it makes him look like a sock puppet.
 

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Speaking hypothetically here:

What if we DO indeed get a character reveal during or after EVO, but it’s NOT K. Rool, Dixie, Spring-Man, or Heihachi?

Who do you expect? Who do you want?

Expect: Bandana Dee, Chrom (since Robin and Lucina were originally revealed after EVO 2014, serving as a “The day is finally here” follow up to that trailer) or Simon

Want: Simon (doubt he’ll be so soon though), Elma, or Bandana Dee
Who do I want: Simon Belmont

Who do I expect: Someone surprising.
 

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I do feel for Chrom fans a bit. Last thing you want is for your boy to get roasted on for being to similar to Ike, when his daughter is similar to Marth, and from the Kid Icarus characters, who have Dark Pit right there.

Though I'm also not invested in Fire Emblem much, so there's no one from that series I want to see playable, unless they have some thing really interesting to offer.
 

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He has no lower jaw bone in the last shot of his trailer and it makes him look like a sock puppet.
It's like the term "What's it cost? An arm and a leg."

What's the cost to get back in Smash? An eye and a lower jaw bone.
 

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Imagine if he wrapped his cape around it and tied it, it would then bump physical, and projectile attacks.
Just woah
I can’t get over how Paw Patrol-y the backgrounds look

The writing is good though, almost Sonic Boom levels of humor. I like the chiptune use and occasional sprite sequences too

(I watched an episode preview from SDCC on YouTube before watching this trailer)
Only DKC can rival Sonic Boom
 

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I'm still of the opinion that no new 3rd Party character at E3 makes it more likely than not we won't get another one at all. It would just be bizarre to not announce them at E3 if they had them. I don't think they'd want to risk people missing the announcement and there's no 'safe' place I'm aware of to announce without less hardcore gamers missing it between E3 and release. E3 is like the one time non-Nintendo fans watch Nintendo stuff.
Well Cloud & Bayonetta were shown out of E3. Was it a different situation, yes. But it still happened. And Ultimate has a different reveal schedule than previous Smash games.

EVO would be the next biggest place to announce one. That or Tokoyo Game Show in September which Nintendo has a presence at for the first time in like what, 10 years? Honestly I just expect a 3rd party reveal in a Smash dedicated direct.
 
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Speaking hypothetically here:

What if we DO indeed get a character reveal during or after EVO, but it’s NOT K. Rool, Dixie, Spring-Man, or Heihachi?

Who do you expect? Who do you want?

Expect: Bandana Dee, Chrom (since Robin and Lucina were originally revealed after EVO 2014, serving as a “The day is finally here” follow up to that trailer) or Simon

Want: Simon (doubt he’ll be so soon though), Elma, or Bandana Dee
What do I want? Fully unique non-echo Chrom with a weapon changing gimmick that allows him to alternate between the Exalted Falchion and the Blessed Lance, with a Javelin toss as one of his specials, and a trailer that features an awesome remix of Divine Decree (Ablaze) where he gets his revenge on Captain Falcon, and afterwards Sakurai says he was added due to his strong ballot support superseding his hesitation to add more Fire Emblem characters. And then a Switch port of Soul Calibur 6 is announced with Chrom as a guest character. Year of Chrom, baby.

What do I expect? Simon Belmont, because Vergeben.

:p
 

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I do feel for Chrom fans a bit. Last thing you want is for your boy to get roasted on for being to similar to Ike, when his daughter is similar to Marth, and from the Kid Icarus characters, who have Dark Pit right there.

Though I'm also not invested in Fire Emblem much, so there's no one from that series I want to see playable, unless they have some thing really interesting to offer.
Don't forget roasting thing was done by Viridi and in character with her. It doesn't have to reflect creators' opinion about him.

Chrom's problem wasn't being too similar to Ike. It was being not similar enough. And personally I'm glad he still shows up in the game despite that.
 

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Got bored so I did a new game based on the previous word association one:

A-Z of newcomers. We're in a parallel universe where 26 newcomer is feasible, but you can only have one of each letter. Who you pick?

A: Andy
B: Bandana Dee
C: Captain Toad
D: Dixie Kong
E: Elma
F: Fossil Fighter
G: Gooey
H: Henry Flemming(you're welcome Oppossum)
I: Impa
J: Jashin(and Doshin)
K: Kamek
L: Lyn
M: Meowth
N: Nikki(was a tough choice)
O: Octoling
P: Porky(although Paper Mario was close)
Q: Qbby
R: Ribbon Girl
S: Slippy Toad(Samurai Goroh was close)
T: Toad
U: Urobosa(not many U's)
V: Vaati
W: Waluigi
X: Xander(again not many X's)
Y: Yuga
Z: Zoroark (almost went for Zant but way too many Zelda newcomers)

What are yours?
Okay, let’s give it a try:

A: Andy (advance wars)
B: Bonk
C: (wow there are a lot of C’s) Commander Video
D: Dixie Kong
E: Edgar Figaro (Final Fantasy VI)
F: Fawful
G: Geno
H: Henry Fleming
I: Impa
J: Jill (Drill Dozer)
K: King K. Rool
L: Lolo
M: Mike Jones
N: Nester/Lark (Nester’s 3d bowling/Pilotwings.)
O: DJ Octavio
P: Porky (Earthbound)
Q: Q-Bert
R: Ryu Hayabusa
S: Springman/tron
T: (Koopa) Troopa
U: Umaro (final fantasy vi)
V: Vaati
W: Waluigi
X: Xander
Y: Yooka Laylee
Z: Zoda
 

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Don't forget roasting thing was done by Viridi and in character with her. It doesn't have to reflect creators' opinion about him.

Chrom's problem wasn't being too similar to Ike. It was being not similar enough. And personally I'm glad he still shows up in the game despite that.
I know they are in character, but the man got put on blast.
 

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I just realized something: I want to see Groudon come back. Seriously, I think it is fitting to have Groudon back, but make it more useful when summoned by the Pokéball.
 
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