Replace "where he should have been afraid" with "where most other top players would have been afraid" and you've got yourself a good point.
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Not necessarily. There were plenty of times where PP went to do something and Javi just completely disrespected PP's threat, blindly. He didn't do it so much as to punish something on prediction but rather because he didn't know better.
roflll...kages not better then most of the MW(sorry kage 
)....he got 2nd, yes, but he got there because you suck -_- and dart choked to him(choke artist's sonn)...
on top of that, kage gets top 5 at nationals anyway 0_o....not that bad to be compared to kage in the first place heh.
)....he got 2nd, yes, but he got there because you suck -_- and dart choked to him(choke artist's sonn)...on top of that, kage gets top 5 at nationals anyway 0_o....not that bad to be compared to kage in the first place heh.
Ugh.... See, you don't seem to understand how important it is from a match psychology perspective to not let your opponent feel comfortable. Even if what they're doing is a good option in theory, not respecting it causes confusion and doubt in the opponent's mind, and leaves you with an advantage because you've moved the opponent out of their comfort zone. I've seen it too much in fighting games with top players against up-and-comers, and it should take nothing away from the upset and how much they earned it.
I'm sorry, but straight up, the choke-artist argument is just an excuse. It doesn't matter what you can do on paper if you can't perform when it counts, plain and simple, so that does not excuse the Midwest for under-performing.roflll...kages not better then most of the MW(sorry kage
on top of that, kage gets top 5 at nationals anyway 0_o....not that bad to be compared to kage in the first place heh.
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Not that he didn't earn it, but his inexperience actually helped him as PP expected him to understand certain (smart) things and Javi didn't. Imo if javi didn't get that sick combo game 2, it would have gone to game 3 and PP would have 2 or 3 stocked him regardless of stage.
fro, id take your comments more into consideration if you actually were around the game still 0_o(call out).
ppl that are more skillfull choke to ppl that are worse then them all the time...its a fact, go look it up. weve just been talking about the example here and now and its not a mw player....its pp vs javi....pp is alot more skilled then javi 0_o// thatsa fact
ppl that are more skillfull choke to ppl that are worse then them all the time...its a fact, go look it up. weve just been talking about the example here and now and its not a mw player....its pp vs javi....pp is alot more skilled then javi 0_o// thatsa fact
Dekuschrub
Smash Master
hahaah this is getting JUICYYYYYY
i just rewatched set
looked legit for Javi mah friends. he played unconventional, but he did some **** new stuff that was all his own
however jab upsmash not legit
i just rewatched set
looked legit for Javi mah friends. he played unconventional, but he did some **** new stuff that was all his own
however jab upsmash not legit
iamthemicrowave
Smash Master
mexico will beat you down son
Little England
Smash Master
And this is why the MW will always suck at this game... =/
Rob hit the nail on the head.
Rob hit the nail on the head.
lolll...le talking like this was 2 years ago....MW has vastly improved since you came here...wc pros fear kels a little....0_0...thats good.
id just like to say that in 6ish months we may be able to test this theory 0_o......but we will see if that works out =))).
id just like to say that in 6ish months we may be able to test this theory 0_o......but we will see if that works out =))).
john!
Smash Hero
the johns are strong in this thread
javi beat pp decisively. what evidence do you have that pp is better than javi?
how can you say something like this with such certainty?
javi beat pp decisively. what evidence do you have that pp is better than javi?
posts like this are why theorycrafters irritate me
The Good Doctor
Smash Champion
B/c Tink is narrow minded and is old school, so he is right.
how can you not? hes got way more accomplishments across the board. lets not get ahead of ourselves here yet....if javi comes to the next few nationals and proves it again and again, ill put my hat into his favor....but pp has proven again and again hes one of the best players in the world. he may just be the next axe....amazing player that got really high one(or a couple?) time, but has had trouble making it back.
john!
Smash Hero
hmm that might be true for up-and-coming players who have been going to US tourneys for years and just recently taken out a top player (maybe by luck)
but nobody even had any idea how good javi was until apex. none of the top players had faced him.
at the very least, i think it's reasonable to say that javi MIGHT be better than pp
but saying that pp is DEFINITELY a LOT more skilled than javi (when he is 0-1 against him) just doesn't make sense
but nobody even had any idea how good javi was until apex. none of the top players had faced him.
at the very least, i think it's reasonable to say that javi MIGHT be better than pp
but saying that pp is DEFINITELY a LOT more skilled than javi (when he is 0-1 against him) just doesn't make sense
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@John: Looking at the interactions between the players gives a lot more information than saying who won or lost.
_marth1_
Smash Lord
i think javi is very mangoish in his playstyle...but which i mean he watches the opponent and reacts accordingly
and he uses that weird claw grip which suits this style well because he can react much faster than most people can
i still think that pp is probably better by a little bit but i think javi would at least go even with pp because he knows the falco matchup too well
this is matt
and he uses that weird claw grip which suits this style well because he can react much faster than most people can
i still think that pp is probably better by a little bit but i think javi would at least go even with pp because he knows the falco matchup too well
this is matt
FrootLoop
Smash Lord
the better player always wins imo
Oro?!
Smash Hero
There are bigger problems to address than how good the best in Mexico is vs PP... like why do we keep seeing Young Link vs HBox sets. **** is whack...
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Because hbox doesn't break out his ness yet and armada is too successful in the MU to change characters.
I respect your opinion but my lack of travel to Melee tourneys doesn't prevent me from offering a viewpoint on this topic. I feel that people are, as usual, taking too much from one tournament victory, whether for PP or Javi.
I'll give an example from Street Fighter. Poongko beat Daigo (yes, THAT Daigo) at Evo, finishing him with a perfect. Guess what? Daigo got him back in a first to 10 set, and proceeded to post up better results that Poongko later on. All this while people are going on about how Daigo got "exposed" at Evo.
My takeaway from the Javi vs. PP set was this: Javi played really well with a very, VERY fast offense that kept PP off his toes, even though that offense included some actions that most American Foxes don't use or consider optimal. He earned his win over PP in that set, and his bravery and speed are major contributing factors. Is he better? I don't know yet. No one does. It'll take seeing him in action again and again before we can start to see that. However, johning for PP is wrong, because he would know (I hope) more than anyone that he just lost, no johns demanded.
Dekuschrub
Smash Master
hahaha what
can anyone answer me why hbox just doesn't CP? Does he really think his alts will lose to a young link? YOUNG LINK IS SO BAD
seriously i'm sure that hbox has a sheik that could do it. hbox has insane fundamentals
yo, u cant just use the best SF player ever in a counter example -_-....also, im very much into SF/marvel scene and watch streams/commentary and read opionions/articles about the events....and never did anyyyy of the pros think, truthfully, that daigo was exposed(how can u be exposed by a player thats veryy close to your skill?), and on top of that...poongko did, and has proven himself in many tournaments against all kinds of pros before and after that evo 0_o.fro said:
were comparing a proven amazing player against someone whos gone to only one national 0_o.....thats a big differnce in examples.
FrootLoop
Smash Lord
thats not really an answer though, because armada would cp sheik with peach. Therefore, the winner of the set would be determined by the double blind at the beginning. So at best he would win half the sets, which in fact he already did at apex with puff...
LightsOutAce
Smash Ace
But HBox is more likely to pull out a win as Jiggs vs Young Link than Armada is to win as Young Link vs Sheik, so it should still be in his favor.
john!
Smash Hero
armada's young link is pretty damn good, it was beating some great players from what i heard. depends on how good hbox's sheik is though.
the deadlock situation that the double blind rule was designed to address is one of the weakest aspects of our current counterpick ruleset IMO
i've been in this situation a few times (where the double blind pick basically decided the set). i can imagine it being fairly common back in the days when fox/marth/sheik was a rock-paper-scissors style top tier
Scythe
Smash Master
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this is common is pretty much every fighting game ruleset
john!
Smash Hero
yeah i guess it would be something inherent in any multiplayer game with multiple characters
Quaz
Smash Master
aka in a nutshell secondaries suck sometimes.
FrootLoop
Smash Lord
secondaries suck basically all the time
*hasn't played falco in 5 tournaments*
*hasn't played falco in 5 tournaments*
Quaz
Smash Master
Frootloop is just a sandbagger.
darkatma
Smash Hero
I need to play everyone soon before I get all my bad habits back again
LoOshKiN
Smash Journeyman
What I got outta reading the last few posts is that all sets should be decided by rock paper scissors beforehand and the actual sets played out only for funsies and entertainment. RPS ftw.
Yazz
Smash Apprentice
will most likely be here
danteistheshiz
Smash Cadet
and maybe a certain devil may cry player. I'll see if my friend can make this.
Devil Ray
Smash Lord
lulz i'm confirmed but dang, wanted to see the big dizzle. i'll be landing in a few hours homies~
Ray chun the weather is such **** right now
But we may be able to get a smashfest tomorrow. Matt said he wanted to play too
@Dante: it'd be nice to finally meet you. Keep us informed on whether you and Sanchaz can attend. I have more pokemon memorabilia that he would be interested to MM over
But we may be able to get a smashfest tomorrow. Matt said he wanted to play too
@Dante: it'd be nice to finally meet you. Keep us informed on whether you and Sanchaz can attend. I have more pokemon memorabilia that he would be interested to MM over