Stop being a jerk. 'oh I like how' is not necessary. You don't need act that way.
Really, really you mean this? >_>
How am I being a jerk with just that wording?
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There are plenty of other users who actually are being real ****ers in this thread with their replies. For example, I got to love how Joe is the biggest offender recently with me, (fun fact name calling won’t get you anywhere in a real debate if you are reading this Joe).
Oh and your little thing a while back with Wario vs. Pit was also an example in regards to yourself, do yourself a favor and
check the mirror next time before you say something like
”I’m being a jerk.”
So, any objections to Pit winning?
>_>
Me
disagreeing with you about something that has been brought up sense the start of the thread really is not being a jerk. The claim that you have of being so called “victimized” and “degraded” in face value from someone doesn’t work out that well when you have by far plenty of better examples of doing it to the person(s) you are debating with (just saying, I’m not the only one).
In fact, the fact that I’m willing to at least listen and even reply to your view still after oh… that example I just posted without being really degrading (the example of wording that you think is degrading isn’t degrading, just saying) is not
being a jerk.
Of course, maybe I’m just too ****ing nice in real life to the point where I’m willing to pass over things like that and look the other way, but whatever.
Do you get that you whiny little ****ing ***** *** ****? (See, this right there would be an example of being a jerk if I was serious about it)
Anyway, going on:
Ionno, can it be? Pikachu can be either Male/Female.
Yeah, and so what may I ask is the big ****ing deal? Are we going to assume that something like that works now on everyone in future match ups? Are we going to change Pikachu's gender when he fights characters like Peach, Samus, and Zelda? What about something like the Pokemon trainer himself? Are we just going to have him make all of his pokemon into little ****s?
The breeding system already doesn’t make **** sense in the pokemon world, and usually when this thread has something like that come up such as with certain entries in the pokedex, we throw it out, but whatever, this thread as already shown that it picks favorites when it comes to BS (just bringing up invulnerability and all that again).
The main thing is that it cuts DK's speed and might force him to stop moving for a few seconds every now and then. I know it isn't quadriplegic paralysis, but it helps. Sheesh, who cares? It's a status ailment. Not really helpful to say that DK will recover quickly from it since the status ailment doesn't get removed unless he has some kind of item to get rid of it.
So, explain to me why DK can handle a shock in several of his other games and then recover from it just fine (which is clearly what thunder wave is), but then when he gets a shock from Pikachu he’ll be magically fully ****ed?
Plus in general how does paralysis in the pokemon games last until you heal with an item/move (funny how that wasn’t brought up) in the 1st place? Does Arbok glaring at you really cause someone to be stunned for an extended period of time even after the thing is gone or dead?
I’m not saying a potential shock wouldn’t work on DK, I’m just saying that the idea of it lasting “forever” just because he doesn’t have an item that exists only in the Pokemon world is BS, especially when the paralysis really isn’t anything special unlike what has been seen with other games in this thread.
Homing ammo, didn't catch that.
Fair enough.
the Speed stat is somewhat like maneuverability, while Dex entries such as Pidgeot moving at Mach 2 would be debated to see if it could actually happen or not/proof from in-game stuff. Samochan posted something like that a while ago.
“All of us” is a pretty bold statement to make especially when last I checked, am I not a part of this thread?
I’ve been disagreeing with Samochan’s reasoning behind that sense he 1st put it in, just in case you didn’t know.
One of his main reasons for this was that Pidgeot has a skill called “tangled feet” which would be a symbol for his clumsiness due to what the term means in the 1st place. What he didn’t put in for some reason is that birds in general when walking are pretty much defined as “tottering” just from what their feet are like in the 1st place. I mean have you ever looked at how birds move about on the ground anyway? Tottering like a little kid learning to walk pretty much flat out defines how they walk.
The ability itself only turns itself on when Pidgeot is confused as well, so how about that?
It's a lot smaller than Pidgeot, yet has a higher base speed. Since it's smaller, it's obviously more agile in CQC or in ordinary battles.
Saying Pidgeot’s size is an issue for it is funny, because games like PMD clearly don’t think that it’s size is that big of a deal for using it when placing it on your team (unlike oh say certain legendaries or other pokemon).
Also, why does that ****ing matter when both of these birds wouldn’t really be partaking in CQC? They are a flying type, which clearly means that they would be taking to the sky to fight with their foes really and to try and smack them while dive bombing them and so on, a lot of their moves of the flying type also clearly give reference to something like this. They aren’t just sitting around trading hits with each other like the game gives a clear illusion that they are just because of the battle style.
Plus even with that fact behind it, the other issue that I have about that is that Pidgeot in the dex and games clearly gives hints that its size isn’t an issue at all, by the time you hear the thing according to the dex, it is long gone, and it only needs a few flaps of its wings as well to create a windstorm. The fact that you can’t find it in the wild, meaning that you have to raise the things from scratch is another issue.
Also, on another note of a different taste, clearly the pokemon games don’t ****ing care about that idea of size, ever notice how Wailord can be brought out into buildings just fine for pokemon fights (or how they can flood that area of the building somehow with a move like surf, don’t forget that).
Plus the size thing doesn’t work as well when Pidgeot is a bird of prey compared to the lower forms of it as well, in that it hunts. Birds of prey are awesome, just saying, especially the ones that are looking at Pidgeot’s example (falcons, eagles, and the like).
Another thing: Galekill was the one who that base speed = Pokedex speed.
Yeah well sorry, based off how you guys sounded it sounded to me like some of you would be trying that (**** I know some people have recently besides Galekill).
The Jet Cap does not have a lot of power.
Personally, I want to know why you are *****ing at the flight powers of this power up, the games clearly say it is flight the cap uses. Any limit is clearly just a game mechanic because instruction booklets are never wrong according to this thread. <_<
Personally I don’t know why you bother to attack only the jet cap though, it doesn’t help you when there are plenty of other power ups in the games that are allowing Wario full flight with various modes of attack, plus canon wise Wario has been shown to use several of Mario’s power ups as well, but whatever.
Oh and again, the cap is awesome:
-Speed boost
-Jump boost
-Upgraded tackle that can be used in more than just the ground
-Reusable an unlimited amount of times
-Is about 3.5x longer than the next ranged tackle attack.
-A mode of flight that lets you start it on and off w/o any charge time at all, which besides breaking the game for any open area also lets you slow your fall all at the same time.
That is clearly an example of a good power up, but hey just look at the other flight items that allow such a thing in the Mario worlds:
Leaf/Tanooki Suit
-Needs a charge before being able to use, has limited flight, but after charging you can store it for a bit
-Slows your fall
-Has a weak tail attack
-(TS only) lets you attack foes with a large statue, or avoid them in general.
I’m pretty sure Jet cap beats that thing, I’m also pretty sure Mario wouldn’t want to turn into stone with Wario around anyway though. Granted the P-Wing sort of beats that thing, except the P-Wing is a ****ing rare thing that was made with the idea in mind to skip a level anyway, the Jet cap really does let you skip levels though for a good % of them, but it wasn’t made with that in mind.
As far as other power ups go that allow flight in Mario, **** the bee suit (very limited) and Boo suit (light destroys him, no thanks), **** the Wing cap (just a weaker version of it), **** FLUDD in any sort of way, **** the propeller hat (yes of course), and it even just barely beats Mario’s cape from SMW IMO. Really the only thing that beats it is Flying Mario from SMG, but that is super limited and really is only a way to get around that hub easier.
I like how you can have all of Wario's powers available for him at once, but don't like the idea of Kirby switching between his own.
Ok, 1st of all not only has Wario canon wise been shown to be using a lot of the same power ups Mario has, he has also been shown storing them. Do I really need to explain how a guy who has a castle filled with treasure and can pretty much carry it all on him and the like can’t store things for his use besides the fact that he has been shown to also store power up items?
Also, I think you need a reminder of what I’m actually against when it comes to Kirby. I’m only against the idea of Milky Way Wishes’ system of doing that. So if you want to really consider that system in that mini game as canon, then you might as well explain to me then on why Kirby doesn’t copy the abilities of foes when he absorbs them/their attacks, because that is what happens in that mini game.
However, canon wise though I’m aware that Kirby has been shown to store his powers and various items, such as in Squeak Squad for example. So, I find it kind of funny that you would think I was against Kirby being able to store his powers, have you not been paying attention to how I usually say someone would beat him/lose to him? I do it by bringing up how his powers will either be countered in some way or will pretty much trash the other character in another way.
Of coarse, Diddy dodging all these canonballs K.Rool shoots at him afterwards still prooves his agility, but that's beside the point.
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