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Smash Bros. Canon Tournament! (Mario Vs. ????) - 06/14/10

WhatIsRaizen?

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THE TIER LIST WILL BE MADE AFTER ALL MATCH-UPS ARE DONE. THE MATCH-UP RESULTS WILL DETERMINE THE PLACINGS.

We all know that characters aren't all balanced the way they are presented in their original games, this is a fighting game and that is to be expected. But what if all the smash characters were accurately represented as they are in their own games, how would the tier list come out? Who do you think would be in the top slots, who would be at the bottom, and most importantly, why?

There will be a series of different things that I will and will not allow. Read below to find out more.

Rules: The battles will be taken on a VERY big neutral battlefield on the planet earth. Characters CAN go up to space, but not any further than that. Any form of retreating will result in a loss. It will also result in a loss if a character can NOT do anything and is still alive, for that character. A character may do ANYTHING possible to win their respective matches, other than the "disallowed" stuff listed below.
When do you guys think I should come to a conclusion of this thread? Cause for us to do every match-up, we'll need to discuss 1560 different match-ups. So far we've discussed 268, there's 1292 to go if we do each and every match-up. It's been about an year since the start of this thread. So what do you guys think? End in after a while, or just keep going?

It'd take an estimated 4 more years to complete all other MUS.
Allowed

All weapons (swords, lances, axes, guns, knifes, bombs, rods).

All equipment (radars, sensers, armor & shield, any sort of clothing).

All items/food (berries, pokeballs, triforce, potions, collection items, power-ups).

All Vehicles (space ships, cars, machines, sea ships).

Wishing (whether with the use of a item or not, wishing is allowed).

TMs (Pokemons are able to obtain TMs by themselves, thus allowed them).


Disallowed/Banned

Back-up (other characters in the same series group [whether good or bad, a part of the gameplay or not] are disallowed to aid said smash character, but there are some exceptions to this rule; the exceptions are Navi, Pokemon Trainer's pokemons, Gods & Goddesses, and live like power-ups).

Game hacks (hacks are banned for obvious reasons).

Game freeze (as like hacks, game freeze is banned).

National Pokedex (Currently deciding whether to ban this or not).

Game mechanics (If something is described about a certain character in his or her game that isn't ridiculous [like Pokedex entries], then it is a true fact about said character. A example of this are health meters, character A might have more health than character B game wise, but this doesn't mean that character A will outlast character B).


Restrictions

Wishing to win (while wishing is allowed, wishing to win is simply banned).

Super Sonic (Fully prepared, Sonic can maintain his super form for 3.067 hours).

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One final note, I'll be excluding the character "Doctor Mario" from this thread. Why? Well, unlike other clones, Doctor Mario is technically the same character as it's original clone (Mario), the only difference is, he's given a Doctor's suit.

The tier list won't be official right away once it's made. Debates are open to everyone, and yes CHARACTERS WILL CHANGE, you can help make the character that YOU think is deserving change.


Win = +1. Loss = -1. Draw = no change.

Current Match-Up:
MARIO

Mario

:mario:

Loser's Round 6, Match 9-?

Overall Results

Wins +6:

:ganondorf:, :samus2:

Wins +5:

:ike:

Wins +4:


Wins +3:

:ness2:, :fox:, :bowser2:, :luigi2:

Wins +2:

:sonic:, :peach:, :metaknight:, :pt:, :lucas:

Wins +1:

:mewtwo:, :mario2:, :toonlink:, :younglinkmelee:, :wolf:, :lucario:, :dk2:

Neutral:

:pichu:, :diddy:, :snake:, :falco:

Loss -1:

:wario:, :kirby2:, :pit:, :falcon:, :marth:

Loss -2:

:jigglypuff:, :link2:, :pikachu:

Loss -3:

:dedede:, :zerosuitsamus:, :yoshi2:

Loss -4:

:gw:, :zelda:, :roymelee:

Loss -5:

Loss -6:

:rob:, :popo:, :olimar:

Round 1 Results:

1.) Bowser Vs. Sonic: -1 Bowser. +1 Sonic.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 268 - 279

Summarized Reason: Bowser cannot use his Star Rod in time to become invincible. If Sonic is able to run at hypersonic speeds, the highest being Mach 9.9, then Sonic can travel 11,151.36 feet per second, which is two miles per second. Sonic can simply grab the Star Rod away from Bowser and fight from there.

2.) Ness Vs. Mewtwo: -1 Mewtwo. +1 Ness.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 280, 281

Summarized Reason: The match is basically one-sided. Ness is only higher than Mewtwo in HP and PP, while Mewtwo is higher than Ness in other stats. One of the things that helps Ness here is his rolling health, which must reach to 0 before Ness is defeated. Even if Ness takes mortal damage, he still has time to attack, as well as restore his HP.

3.) Samus Vs. Link: -1 Link. +1 Samus.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 281 - 285

Summarized Reason: A lot of the weapons and items Link possesses are useless against Samus, as she can hit and run, not approach, or even use the Imperialist to do a OHKO on Link. Arrows are too slow for Link to land, and Bombs and Bombchus are only useful against fixed opponents like Beamos. Link cannot use his Master Sword here, since Samus never has to approach him, and if Link decides to ever use Nayru's Love, the start-up is too slow when compared against Samus' speed, and it eventually wears off. Not to mention, even if Link does use Nayru's Love, he can still be knocked back.

4.) Snake Vs. Zero Suit Samus: -1 Zero Suit. +1 Snake.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 285 - 291

Summarized Reason: While Samus has been trained in the art of war by a race who once were proud of their high combat power, she does not have the necessary equipment to defeat Snake outside of her powered armorsuit. The only firepower she possesses is the Paralyzer, which is only capable of stunning her enemies. Snake's arsenal is more efficient for him to win this round.

5.) Mario Vs. Marth: - 1 Marth. +1 Mario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 291 - 302

Summarized Reason: With the Repel Gel, Mega Mushroom, and Stop Watch, Marth is no match for Mario. Repel Gel turns Mario intangible, while the Mega Mushroom makes him bigger and allows him to cover a lot of ground, and the Stop Watch stops all enemies temporarily. If Marth was fast enough or could become invincible, he would probably stand a chance.

6.) Peach Vs. Zelda: Draw.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 303 - 313

Summarized Reason: Peach and Zelda both "cancel" eachother out. Zelda can predict everything that Peach does, and avoid them, but she has no way to get in and harm Peach. Peach's defensive options are just to strong and dangerous for Zelda to get in.

7.) Fox Vs. Pokemon Trainer: -1 Fox. +1 Pokemon Trainer.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 313 - 323

Summarized Reason: Pokemon Trainer is allowed any two Pokemon (except for a limited few) on the field. In this case, Articuno and Kyogre. Articuno will use Mind Reader, and Kyogre will use Sheer Cold, killing Fox and his Arwing.

8.) Ike Vs. Captain Falcon: -1 Falcon. +1 Ike.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 323 - 327

Summarized Reason: Ike can only be hurt by weapons blessed by Ashera.

9.) Roy Vs. Kirby: -1 Roy. +1 Kirby.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 327 - 334

Summarized Reason: Kirby, since he can carry abilities while on a Warp Star, carries Metal as an ability while flying out of range from Roy on the Warp Star. Metal renders Kirby invincible, thus making it so Roy cannot hurt him. While out of range from Roy's sword, Kirby's Warp Star will fire 'stars' at him, which are mini-projectiles that deal damage. Kirby keeps doing this until Roy is dead.

10.) Ganondorf Vs. Luigi: -1 Luigi. +1 Ganon.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 335

Summarized Reason: Nothing Luigi has can harm Ganondorf.

11.) Lucario Vs. Pit: -1 Lucario. +1 Pit.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 336 - 339

Summarized Reason: Pit can excessively out-camp Lucario at (near) sky level with unlimited amount of silver, light, or/and fire arrows, Lucario has no answer to this.

12.) Metaknight Vs. Diddy Kong: -1 Diddy Kong. +1 Metaknight.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 339 - 343

Summarized Reason: Metaknight can summon sword knights and blade knights to pilot his halbert. Diddy really has no reliable way to get passed the Halbert, which could also attack with canons.

13.) Lucas Vs. Falco: -1 Falco. +1 Lucas.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 343, 344

Summarized Reason: Everytime Falco attacks Lucas' with lasors, he will receive damage, causing him harm. Lucas can outlast Falco's lasers for quite some time due to some special items.

14.) Ice Climbers Vs. Yoshi: -1 Ice Climbers +1 Yoshi.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 344 - 346

Summarized Reason: Yoshi could repetitively eat and spit out the Ice climbers, he could do this till their death.

15.) Wario Vs. Pikachu: -1 Wario. +1 Pikachu.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 346 -350

Summarized Reason: Pikachu can confuse Wario with sweet kiss, and then maul him with thunder (which would kill him).

16.) Wolf Vs. Donkey Kong: -1 Donkey Kong. +1 Wolf.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 350 - 352

Summarized Reason: Wolfen is twice as good as Arwing. Donkey Kong has no way to attack/reach the Wolfen, and is practically a huge standing target to it.

17.) Pichu Vs. Olimar: -1 Olimar. +1 Pichu.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 352 - 353

Summarized Reason: Pichu can electrocute all the Pikmins (except the yellow ones, but they cause no harm anyways), and then volt tackle Olimar. If Olimar tries to escape to his ship, Pichu can just thunder that down.

18.) Jigglypuff Vs. Toon Link: -1 Jigglypuff. +1 ToonLink.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 353 - 354

Summarized Reason: Going by WW Link, he can just drink Granma's soup that makes his attack power double and then do Hurricane spin on jiggs. Jiggs has horrible defence and speed, it should be enough to KO jiggs like 5x times. =) Among other things, like just shoot jiggs with light/fire/ice arrows, throw boomerangs, smack jiggs with hammer...

19.) R.O.B Vs. Young Link: -1 R.O.B. +1 Young Link.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 354 - 355

Summarized Reason: R.O.B hasn't shown to do anything in any game he was in. The most he's done was race in Mario Kart, but that wasn't canon. Young Link could just use bombs to blow the robot up anyways.

20.) King Dedede Vs. Mr. Game & Watch: -1 Mr. Game & Watch. +1 King Dedede.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 355

Summarized Reason: Game and Watch can't do anything. He's...2-D. Unless he can interact in the 3-D plane, he can't turn to face you with his "sharp" side. D3 can just smash him with his hammer as Game and Watch moves from side to side.

Round 1 Overlook:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8760702&postcount=5314

Loser Round 1 Results:

1.) Bowser Vs. Mewtwo: Draw.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 355 - 365

Summarized Reason: Both characters have the tools to cancel eachother out.

2.) Zero Suit Samus Vs. Luigi: -1 Zero Suit. +1 Luigi.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 365 - 367

Summarized Reason: Zamus is basically optionless in this, and many of her other match-ups. This is basically due to the fact that she doesn't have much items to attack with. Luigi on the other hand, is packed with items, he has everything Mario can obtain (stop watch, starman, mushrooms).

3.) Link Vs. Donkey Kong: -1 Donkey Kong. +1 Link.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 365 - 372

Summarized Reason: OoT Link could use Din's Fire to attack DK as magic would likely pass the shockwaves DK creates, but DK's got plenty of stamina and has been hit by fire before. DK could heal up to 33% of his damage by eating bananas, as he did in King of Swing. Link could repetitively use Din's fire to victory.

4.) Marth Vs. Fox: -1 Marth. +1 Fox.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 372, 373

Summarized Reason: Never bring knifes in a gun fight, let alone a spaceship fight. Marth has no way of reaching Fox's Arwing.

5.) Captain Falcon Vs. R.O.B: -1 R.O.B. +1 Captain Falcon.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 373 - 374

Summarized Reason: R.O.B can't do anything.

6.) Roy Vs. Mr. Game & Watch: -1 Game&Watch. +1 Roy.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 374 - 375

Summarized Reason: Game and Watch has physics issues and can't be very large. Roy will do something that will dismantle him/whatever would happen to G&W.

7.) Diddy Kong Vs. Wario: -1 Wario. +1 Diddy.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 375 - 382

Summarized Reason: Diddy Kong could literally trick Wario into eating an Orange bomb.

8.) Falco Vs. Ice Climbers: -1 IC. +1 Falco,

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 382 - 384

Summarized Reason: All Falco needs is his Arwing, then vola, he wins.

9.) Lucario Vs. Olimar: -1 Olimar. +1 Lucario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 384, 385

Summarized Reason: Lucario's aurasphere can quickly get rid of all Pikmins. Lucario can fight (and beat) Olimar from there. A pretty one-sided match-up.

Loser's Round 1 Overlook:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8784901&postcount=5618

Round 2 Results:

1.) Lucas Vs. Samus: -1 Lucas. +1 Samus.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 385 - 392

Summarized Reason: One of Lucas' most potent abilities, Counter, has almost no use in this matchup due to the nature of Samus' beam weapons. Samus can use Speed Booster and Hypermode to go invincible, both which will result in Lucas taking massive damage. Lucas can heal many times, but Samus has a very high fire rate with her stacked Power Beam, and with her Hyper Beam. Because of this, Lucas will have almost no time to do anything offensive since he will be under constant fire. Samus still has to keep on her toes since Lucas could toss a New Year's Eve Bomb at her. However, Samus can sacrifice 10 Missiles, Super Missiles, and Powerbombs to fully heal with Crystal Flash. In short, Samus' firepower is simply too much for Lucas to deal with, as he will be under mortal damage almost constantly, and will find himself focused solely on staying alive.

2.) Ganondorf Vs. Metaknight: -1 Meta + 1 Ganon.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 392 - 393

Summarized Reason: Once again, nothing Metaknight has can harm Ganondorf. Metaknight can't even use his Halbert to escape, sadly.

3.) Mario Vs. Pokemon Trainer: -1 Trainer. +1 Mario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 392 - 413

Summarized Reason: Ultrajump can jump over Red's Pokemons, all the way to him. Repel Gel/Boo's sheet makes Mario invisible. Mario proceeds to use any attack to kill PT which is a likely OHKO.

4.) ToonLink Vs. Pikachu: -1 Pikachu. +1 ToonLink.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 411 - 413

Summarized Reason: Toon Link pretty much wins. Pikachu just can't last long enough to get a change to attack Toon Link when he's without Magic. Toon Link can't use Magic while he's using the Magic Armor though can't he? Double Team would help Pikachu evade attacks untill Toon Link's Magic runs out. Pikachu can also learn Endure, give him Leftovers as held item and he could probably stall out pretty long as well. Problem is, he can't have Light Ball then, which is kinda neccesary for Pikachu to win.

5.) Young Link Vs. Pichu: -1 Pichu. +1 Young Link.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 414

Summarized Reason: YLink wins. He can just use _____ mask or the Boomerang. Pichu sucks in general.

6.) Sonic Vs. Kirby: -1 Kirby. +1 Sonic.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 415 - 417

Summarized Reason: Kirby will use stone ability to stall out Sonic's super form. After that, Kirby can not stall any longer due to the deliberate act of stalling rule. (Editing.)

7.) Ike Vs. King Dedede -1 King D3. +1 Ike.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 418

Summarized Reason: Keep in mind that Ike can not be harmed by anything that aren't one of the five weapons blessed by Ashera (one of them being Ragnell, his very own). King Dedede possess nothing of such, he can't neither snatch Ike's sword from him.

8.) Peach Vs. Snake -1 Snake. +1 Peach.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 419

Summarized Reason: Peach > Snake. She has all sorts of stuff that gives Snake headaches. She can make him fall asleep and then hit him on the head with a frying pan.

9.) Zelda Vs. Yoshi -1 Yoshi. +1 Zelda.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 419

Summarized Reason: Zelda definitely has the range advantage with her light arrows, the very least. Yoshi's only projectile is his egg throw and it's not exceptionally fast nor exceptionally strong attack. I can also imagine she can use the sword she was cluthing on TP, I really doubt it was there just for the show. Then her telepathic abilities need to also be accounted to, dunno bout that prediction thing however. To me Zelda has exhibited telepathic powers when she relays messages (like Lttp) and not for other things like battling.

10.) Ness Vs. Wolf -1 Wolf. +1 Ness.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 419 - 423

Summarized Reason: PK Flash would give Wolf a status. That'd be either crying, numbness, feeling strange or instant defeat. Neither of these are favorable conditions while flying. Crying would be the least difficult for Wolf, but then again he'd probably miss his shots at Ness. Numbness and feeling strange will make Wolf lose control of his Wolfen and probably crash, and instant defeat speaks for itself.

11.) Pit Vs. Jigglypuff -1 Jigglypuff. +1 Pit.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 424

Summarized Reason: Pit has already won from Lucario, a all round much better fighter than Jigglypuff. If Lucario couldn't beat Pit, Jigglpuff probably can't either. Simple as that really... <_<

Round 2 Overlook:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8826221&postcount=6351

Loser Round 2 Results:

1.) Mewtwo Vs. Link: -1 Link. +1 Mewtwo.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 424 - 434

Summarized Reason: Mewtwo, the Psychic Pokemon, learns a crapload of moves, most of them TMs. As TMs are allowed in this match-up for potential reasons, Mewtwo can use Embargo, which renders all of Link's items utterly useless. The exceptions are his sword and shield, which aren't affected due to the way Embargo acts. Mewtwo can now proceed to either boost his power or stall, since it's generally agreed he's a fast little big thing. Once enough boosts have been accumulated, Mewtwo can hit Link with Psychic at his leisure.

2.) Bowser Vs. Lucas: -1 Lucas. +1 Bowser.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 434 - 440

Summarized Reason: Once Bowser becomes invincible, Lucas can not to anything to hurt him.

3.) Falco Vs. Metaknight: -1 Falco. +1 Metaknight.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 440 - 445

Summarized Reason: If the halberd has to be infiltrated to be completely destroyed, then Falco would need to land on it. I highly doubt he's doing that in an aerial battle.

4.) Luigi Vs. Roy: -1 Roy. +1 Luigi.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 445 - 448

Summarized Reason: Luigi can stop time multiple times, and take advantage of idled Roy.

5.) Falcon Vs. Wolf: -1 Falcon. +1 Wolf.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 448 - 450

Summarized Reason: Wolf can outmaneuver Falcon and just keep firing at him, Falcon can't do anything about it. His Falcon Flyer doesn't have the right mobility to keep up with Wolf's Wolfen. Wolfen is very fast and more maneuverable and can stay out of range and decimate him anyway. Bombs, lasers, twin lasers.. and the kicks.

6.) Lucario Vs. Diddy: -1 Diddy. +1 Lucario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 451 , 452

Summarized Reason: Diddy's never shown to last long in any of the games he was in. Lucario has. Lucario also has a much better overall moveset. Closest thing Diddy has to a 'powerful' attack is his guitar. Lucario has tons of moves like that, maybe even with more range and power.

7.) Pikachu Vs. Yoshi: -1 Yoshi. +1 Pikachu.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 452

Summarized Reason: Yoshi just doesn't have the speed to catch Pikachu. Pikachu can create thousands of volts around his body and charge right onto Yoshi at VERY high speed, which would KO him.

8.) Zero Suit Samus Vs. King Dedede: -1 Dedede. +1 Zero Suit.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 453

Summarized Reason: Zamus should be able to paralyse the bug and kick his arse with some axe kick. With her super athlete strenght, should deal some nice damage. She's very nimble, so she should be able to dodge what ddd does, paralyze, move in and deal damage and repeat. DDD has hammer but... samus has lots of durability and a hammer swing from such a small thing might be able to break her toe but that's it.

9.) Donkey Kong Vs. Wario -1 Wario. +1 Donkey Kong.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 453, 454

Summarized Reason: Not only is DK much stronger than Wario, Wario also can't approach Donkey Kong. Sound-Wave attack would knock Wario out of DK's range if DK wishes to and stun him. DK has going bananas for invincibility and can close up to Wario and maul him with lighting fast punches then.

10.) Marth Vs. Mr. Game and Watch: -1 Mr. G&W. +1 Marth.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 454

Summarized Reason: Once again, Mr. Game and Watch can't do anything.

11.) Snake Vs. Pichu: -1 Pichu. +1 Snake.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 454, 455

Summarized Reason: Pichu just doesn't have an answer to a rapid fire rocket launcher with infinite ammo.

12.) Fox Vs. R.O.B: -1 R.O.B. +1 Fox.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 455

Summarized Reason: R.O.B is a toy robot, he really can't do anything.

13.) Pokemon Trainer Vs. Olimar -1 Olimar. +1 Pokemon Trainer.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 455

Summarized Reason: Pokemon Trainer uses any pokemon that knows earthquake, commands eq, done. Every single Pikmin is killed, along with olimar.

Loser's Round 2 Overlook:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8861498&postcount=6813

Round 3 Results:

1.) Sonic Vs. Ike: -1 Sonic. +1 Ike.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 455 - 461

Summarized Reason: Ike can not be hurt by anything that isn't weapons blessed by Ashera. Since Sonic doesn't really have such weapons, he can't hurt Ike. He can try to steal Ike's sword, but Ike has a bunch of other weapons in his inventory, some on par with Ragnell.

2.) Kirby Vs. Mario: Draw.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 461 - 472

Summarized Reason: Kirby has abilities that leave Mario with few things to do, but Kirby then can't do a whole lot either.

3.) Ness Vs. Pit: -1 Pit. +1 Ness.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 472

Summarized Reason: I think Ness will win this. He'll likely have more stamina, and can prevent himself from getting killed, unlike Pit. Pit may or may not have an offensive advantage with the Light Arrows and how fast he shoots, but he'll fall for Ness' PSI shortly.

4.) Young Link Vs. Wolf: -1 Young Link. +1 Wolf.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 472 - 474

Summarized Reason: Can Young Link really catch a Wolfen zipping around? The answer is no. Arwings move at the speed of sound, and Wolfen moves even faster than that. The Wolfen can probably take a 7 laps around the field without having to worry what Yink can do. Wolf can end the fight by attacking with lasers. Though, Wolf will have to stall a bit in the air, cause apparently, Young Link can use Nayru's Love for a long period of time, possibly even the full 3 days in which Majora's Mask takes place.

5.) Toon Link Vs. Fox -1 Toon Link. +1 Fox.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 474, 475

Summarized Reason: Toon Link has nothing that can stop Fox except for the Magic Armor. But that'll run out eventually, leaving Link open for lasers and bombs from Fox's Arwing.

6.) Bowser Vs. Zelda -1 Zelda. +1 Bowser.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 475, 476

Summarized Reason: Zelda may be able to dodge a few blows from Bowser, but she can't be running for long. She has no tools to harm Bowser (with or without invincibility).

7.) Ganondorf Vs. Peach -1 Peach. +1 Ganon.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 476

Summarized Reason: Peach does not posses anything that can harm Ganon. As far as what Ganon can do, let's just say he has a whole bunch of options.

8.) Mewtwo Vs. Metaknight -1 Metaknight. +1 Mewtwo.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 476, 477

Summarized Reason: Mewtwo can infiltrate the Halberd by teleporting in it. He could then disable it with Psychic. This would leave him and Metaknight in a 1vs1 combat, in which, Mewtwo has the upper hand.

9.) Pikachu Vs. Luigi -1 Pikachu. +1 Luigi

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 477, 478

Summarized Reason: Luigi can use stop watch before anything Pikachu can do.

10.) Samus Vs. Pokemon Trainer - PT. +1 Samus.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 478 - 485

Summarized Reason: All samus needs is going into Hypermode. No pokemon can touch that, so even mind reader + sheer cold would be ineffective against her. Then charge up beam and fire bursts of phazon/hyper missile at PT for instakill, PT's a totally normal kid so... and the pokes aren't gonna be too happy either. Or just use imperialist and headshot PT. Or speed boost + screw attack spacejump combo... or Plasma beam through all the pokes...or boost ball past pokes and drop a power bomb at his feet.

11.) Snake Vs. Lucario -1 Lucario. +1 Snake.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 479 - 485

Summarized Reason: Both characters are pretty even in hand to hand combat, but Snake has the edge in a range battle. With devastating weapons, such as SOCOM and Ak-47, Snake will easily get rid of Lucario.

Round 3 overlook:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8919739&postcount=7274

Loser's Round 3 Results:

1.) Link Vs. Zero Suit Samus: -1 Zamus. +1 Link.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 485, 486

Summarized Reason: ZSS only really has super athlete powers and paralyzer, but Link has mirror shield, magical arrows, nayru and din magics... TP link has magical armor, bomb arrows, ball & chain.

2.) Ice Climbers Vs. Wario: -1 Climbers. +1 Wario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 486, 487

Summarized Reason: Wario wins this cause of pure strength. There's just nothing much the Ice Climbers could do, except for the obvious hammer attacks. Wario would be able to pick one of them up with his abilities, and smash them into each other over and over again. He also has his motorcycle of course which would give him more mobility.

3.) Diddy Kong Vs. Captain Falcon: -1 Falcon. +1 Diddy.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 487 - 489

Summarized Reason: Diddy can stall in the air to avoid Falcon's "high-speed" vehicle. Even so, If Diddy would be on the ground again, he'd activate Going Bananas again, Falcon would try to relocate Diddy, and unless he can break the sound barrier in several seconds. He'll get hit by Diddy's guitar.

4.) Metaknight Vs. Sonic: -1 Meta. +1 Sonic.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 489 - 492

Summarized Reason: Sonic stops time while MK is in the Halberd, warps in, and finishes him? MK doesnt know about sonic's abilities, does he? He can teleport, but unless it's infinite, he will be caught by a time stop, or caught by SS.

5.) Peach Vs. Donkey Kong: Draw.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 492 - 494

Summarized Reason: It looks like a draw to me. Both characters seem to have invincibility at times, and both seem to have good, strong attacks. With DK seemingly having a better attack while Peach seemingly has a better defense, it really looks like a draw.

6.) Marth Vs. Pichu: -1 Pichu. +1 Marth.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 494

Summarized Reason: Pichu can't do much but a couple of weak electric moves. Marth is also probably faster than Pichu. Marth could just outspeed Pichu, and then attack him with his sword.

7.) Roy Vs. Yoshi: -1 Yoshi. +1 Roy.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 495

Summarized Reason: Roy is powerful in his Master Lord class and he defeated people that are much stronger than Yoshi. Not to mention Roy's Sword of Seals can restore heath if he were to take any damage from Yoshi.

8.) Falco Vs. King Dedede -1 King D3. +1 Falco.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 495, 496

Summarized Reason: The King is just too slow. And small, most his attacks only work well on grounded foes. He can't do anything about Falco's arwing.

9.) Lucas Vs. R.O.B -1 R.O.B. +1 Lucas.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 496

Summarized Reason: Just as how I've described in all his previous match-ups, R.O.B can't do anything.

10.) Pikachu Vs. Mr. Game & Watch -1 Game & Watch. +1 Pikachu.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 496

Summarized Reason: Pikachu may just attack with any thunder move, which will most likely one hit-KO Game & Watch.

Loser's Round 3 Overlook:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8954340&postcount=7439

Round 4 Results:

1.) Samus Vs. Luigi: -1 Luigi. +1 Samus.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 497 - 503

Summarized Reason: Luigi's resorted to a strategy fully bent on survival, while Samus is still free to do any options she desires. She can speed boost indefinitely around Tanooki Luigi, and then away from Mega Luigi, all while shooting a barrage of plasma beams/wave beams. Whenever Luigi goes vulnerable, he loses. If she's hit by a jump from Mega Luigi, her reserve tanks will help her stay alive, if she even needs them that's it but seeing as Bowser gets OHKO'd by Mega Mario & Luigi you can't be sure.

2.) Mewtwo Vs. Toon Link: -1 Tink. +1 Mewtwo.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 503 - 507

Summarized Reason: Anyways, Mewtwo already beat Link. Toon Link isn't anything different. Embargo blocks item usage except the sword and shield. Calm Mind is for stat boosting, Psychic for killing and Recover for healing. With every effective option of Toon Link blocked, his best bet is the Hurricane Spin, but Mewtwo can heal damage of- Toon Link can't, besides Mewtwo would likely do more damage than Toon Link anyways.

3.) Bowser Vs. Young Link: -1 Yink. +1 Bowser.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 507 - 510

Summarized Reason: Young Link may be able to get in a ice arrow before Bowser turns himself invincible, but that won't help him much. After Bowser finished thawing himself off, he can turn invincible and then beat Yink from there.

4.) Ganondorf Vs. Wolf: -1 Wolf. +1 Ganon.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 510 - 512

Summarized Reason: Wolf can't harm Ganon. Ganon can just wait for Wolfen to run out of fuel, or just possess Wolf and take control of him.

5.) Mario Vs. Snake: -1 Snake. +1 Mario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 512, 513

Summarized Reason: First Mario uses starman, then stopwatch, then goes into rampage with mega mushroom. Snake has no answer to this.

6.) Fox Vs. Kirby: -1 Kirby. +1 Fox.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 513 - 517

Summarized Reason: Crash Kirby doesn't OHKO stronger enemies that are around his relative size (kinda bigger, maybe 1-2 feet tall). An Arwing, I'm assuming, is pretty big. So would Kirby down it in one shot? No, I don't think so. Maybe in several shots perhaps, but not one. Since Crash doesn't blow Fox up to oblivion, Fox can shoot down Kirby during the lag of Crash. However, the damage dealt depends on which Kirby health system is being used. The Amazing Mirror one has 9 bars of HP, and he can lose two HP bars at times, while Kirby: Squeak Squad has a single, long bar of HP, which can drain depending on the strength of the attack. No idea about KSStar.

7.) Lucas Vs. Metaknight: -1 Lucas. +1 Meta.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 517 - 520

Summarized Reason: Lucas really has no way of reaching Metaknight's halberd, thus is totally hopeless in this match-up. Best he can do is absorb some lasers/canon shots from halberd for a while till he runs out.

8.) Ike Vs. Pit: -1 Pit. +1 Ike.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 520 - 525

Summarized Reason: Closest weapon Pit has that can hurt Ike is his light arrows. Those still aren't enough to take Ike down. Pit will be forced to stall, which then will result in a loss.

9.) Marth Vs. Link: -1 Marth. +1 Link.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 525 - 531

Summarized Reason: Link has the advantage in range & power. Marth will be approaching Link more so than vice-versa, at that same time, Link is more powerful even if he does approach. If Marth has a wind sword, he can just run and swing wind lasers at Link but Link will just counter that by shooting arrows or hook/claw back at him. Link has a huge bag of items and magic like nayru that makes him invincible to damage and din which burns opponent when touched. Then long range weapons and ice arrow, which should freeze Marth in place.

10.) Ness Vs. Peach: Draw.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 531 - 540

Summarized Reason: It's a draw because both characters' defense cancel each other out. They could attack but why bother? The other will attack back, they're safer defending and when they do, their defenses will never really be broken. They'll just defend forever.

11.) Zelda Vs. Sonic: -1 Zelda. +1 Sonic.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 540, 541

Summarized Reason: Zelda doesn't have anything that she's talented enough to harm Sonic with, even if she did, she won't ever be hitting Sonic due to his incredible speed and flight.

12.) Pikachu Vs. Falco -1 Pikachu. +1 Falco.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 541

Summarized Reason: Pikachu may be able to thunder the Arwing once or twice, but that won't be enough. Even if it does collapse, Star Fox characters are shown to survive crashes. Falco could then just use any one of his weapons to attack Pikachu.

Round 4 Overlook: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9019848&postcount=8104

Loser's Round 4 Results:

1.) Lucas Vs. Kirby -1 Kirby. +1 Lucas.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 541 - 551

Summarized Reason: Kirby's sword options aren't really that great Counter would deal a stupid amount of damage to Kirby. If he's going by his bar system, then there's the chance damage could add up really quickly. If Dark Mind's laser is powerful and takes away two bars of HP, I think Love could take away two bars of HP that Kirby has as well. Counter to reflect damage or shield to protect him. Items help too.

2.) Peach Vs. Roy -1 Roy. +1 Peach.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 551 - 557

Summarized Reason: Roy has sword, but peach has defence and all kinds of nifty items and special attacks like statuses. But as roy has sword of seals that was used to seal a person into it, why couldn't he use the sword of seals to seal peach into it? That is, ofc, if he manages to get it done without getting pwned by peach in various ways.

3.) Zelda Vs. Marth -1 Zelda. +1 Marth.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 557 - 559

Summarized Reason: Zelda has a sword, but she isn't that skilled with it, if at all. Marth on the other hand is a deadly swordsman, with a lot of items he can use to aid him. Just a single slash from Marth would be enough to take down Zelda.

4.) Zero Suit vs. Pokemon Trainer -1 Zamus. +1 Pokemon Trainer.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 559 - 562

Summarized Reason: Embargo prevents ZSS from using her gun, which was technically the only threatening weapon she possessed. Pt can also inflict some status effect on her.

5.) Diddy Vs. R.O.B +1 Diddy. -1 R.O.B

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 562 - 565

Summarized Reason: Simply put, R.O.B is a toy robot.

6.) Donkey Kong Vs. Mr. Game & Watch +1 Donkey Kong. -1 Game.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 562 - 565

Summarized Reason: Simply put, "Mr. Game & Watch" is a game system.

7.) Toon Link Vs. Metaknight -1 Metaknight. +1 ToonLink.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 565 - 567

Summarized Reason: Toon Link can call on strong winds such and hurricanes/twisters/whatever, which no ship can fly in. Magic Armor would protect Link if he where to hit hit by the Halberd's stuff, and the storms would crash it. Toon Link would be able to beat MetaKnight 1 vs 1, considering Magic Armor, elemental arrows and potions. It's not just one ice arrow that will bring the Halberd down...it's multiple. Ice makes planes extremely heavy and crashes them. Not to mention if the metal gets cold enough, the metal will split and crack, and enough splits and cracks will make the Halberd unusable. If Tink is constantly changing the wind directions to his advantage and Metaknight's disadvantage, then Metaknight has to worry about controlling his ship before he can attack while Tink can attack freely. After a barrage of ice arrows, the Halberd crashes because of heavy ice and multiple cracks. If the ice arrows aren't enough to crack it, fire arrow and then ice arrow.

8.) Lucario Vs. King Dedede -1 King Dedede. +1 Lucario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 567 - 569

Summarized Reason: Lucario can out camp King Dedede with ranged moves (which are also very powerful), the king really has no answer to this.

9.) Ice Climbers Vs. Falcon -1 Climbers. +1 Falcon.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 569

Summarized Reason: Falcon can run over the duo with a vehicle that can go almost as fast as the speed of sound.

10.) Wario Vs. Olimar -1 Olimar. +1 Wario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 570, 571

Summarized Reason: Wario has quite a few stuff on Olimar. He doesn't have to worry about Oli's Pikmins cause they don't pose much of a threat to Wario, I wouldn't be surprised if Wario ate each and every one of them. Basically, Wario can use a weapon he has in his game to beat Olimar.

11.) Young Link Vs. Jigglypuff -1 Jigglypuff. +1 Yink.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 571, 572

Summarized Reason: Nayru's Love would prevent damage done to Young Link. He can still be knocked around, but with his many masks, items, equipment and sword he should have no problem defeating the rather weak Jigglypuff.

12.) Pikachu Vs. Pit -1 Pikachu. +1 Pit.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 572 - 576

Summarized Reason: Pit should have the upper hand here. Mirror Shield should deflect lightning if it can deflect a god's beams/lasers/blasts/w.e. The Protective Crystal also absorbs enemy firepower, so he should be able to turn any special attacks Pika can throw at him. Light, flaming and even regular arrows will take their toll on the rat, even if it heals itself with Wish(which takes a turn to activate, Pit could in theory KO him before that happens). If Light Screen lowers the effect of projectiles, Pit still has hammers to fight with.

13.) Pichu Vs. Yoshi -1 Yoshi. +1 Pichu.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 576

Summarized Reason: Pichu is rather weak, but Yoshi is handicapped by a bad health system(unless we can use Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door's) and limited projectiles. Thunder Wave, Shock Wave, Sweet Kiss, Filler would be moveset for Pichu.

Loser's Round 4 Overlook: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9083160&postcount=8627

Round 5 Results:

1.) Bowser Vs. Ike Draw.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 576 - 585

Summarized Reason: This match-up ended in a draw because both characters can do nothing to harm the other. Both characters shine in strength and power, but can not use them at all against each other.

2.) Mario Vs. Samus -1 Mario. +1 Samus.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 586 - 603

Summarized Reason: Summary will be input in a bit.

3.) Sonic Vs. Ganondorf -1 Sonic. +1 Ganondorf.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 603 - 612

Summarized Reason: Thanks to the complete Triforce, Ganon has the power to literally disable Sonic without moving an muscle, with just his thoughts alone.

4.) Mewtwo Vs. Fox -1 Mewtwo. +1 Fox.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 612 - 619

Summarized Reason: Fox will use his LandMaster to tank a huge amount of Mewtwo's moves, he will then use his barriers and guns to finish off Mewtwo after his LM is destroyed.

5.) Ness Vs. Falco -1 Falco. +1 Ness.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 619 - 627

Summarized Reason: Just as how Ness did to Wolf, he could do the same to Falco. PK Flash would give Falco a status. That'd be either crying, numbness, feeling strange or instant defeat. Neither of these are favorable conditions while flying/driving. Crying would be the least difficult for Falco, but then again he'd probably miss his shots at Ness. Numbness and feeling strange will make Wolf lose control of his Wolfen and probably crash, and instant defeat speaks for itself.

6.) Peach Vs. Pokemon Trainer -1 Pokemon Trainer. +1 Peach.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 627 - 639

Summarized Reason: Rock candy is too fast for Reds orders, it'll come out in less than a second, way before Red can command anything.

7.) Link Vs Luigi -1 Link. +1 Luigi.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 639 - 641

Summarized Reason: Luigi has too many items and variations in strategy. Plus, stopping time is fun, especially when Link isn't fast at all.

8.) Wolf Vs. Pit +1 Wolf. -1 Pit.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 641 - 643

Summarized Reason: Pit can't really can't take flight in this match-up, which is where he shined. Wolf will take command of the air with his Wolfen. Pit has a mirror shield which may help him somewhat, but it won't last long against the powerful power of the Wolfen's lasers.

9.) ToonLink Vs. Snake -1 Snake. +1 ToonLink.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 643 - 645

Summarized Reason: Mirror Shield shuts down Snake's guns, since the bullets will just reflect back to him. Snake's NIKITA would require Snake to be immobile for some time, while a slow moving rocket travels through the air. If Snake were to use his Nikita, TL could Ice Arrow and dominate. Snake has explosives. They'll probably work against TL. Snake can camouflage. That can lead to anything. These are the only two things that could possibly save Snake. Toon Link has the Wind Waker. He can travel through the winds on his boat, change day/night, and the direction of the wind. Nothing really useful, unless you want the wind to interfere with Snake's guns. Toon Link has Fire, Ice, and Light Arrows. If Ice Arrows could freeze a volcano for 5 minutes, I think they could freeze Snake for longer. He can also launch an arrow in like 2 seconds, so pulling out the arrow quickly shouldn't be a problem. Light arrows banish evil. Fire Arrows are hot. He has a regular boomerang that stuns. He has a grappling hook, and hook shot. He has his bombs. Oh, THE SKULL HAMMER. It'll splatter snake.

10.) Lucas Vs. Marth -1 Marth. +1 Lucas.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 645 - 647

Summarized Reason: PK-Love would be too powerful and quick for Marth to do anything. Marth will have to get up close to hope to stand a chance, while Lucas can attack from afar with psychic.

11.) Donkey Kong Vs. Young Link -1 Donkey Kong. +1 Young Link.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 647 - 649

Summarized Reason: Thanks to Young Link's wide variety of items, he can always keep the giant Kong at bay. At further range, Yink will kill throwing bombs and arrows, while at closer range, Yink can attack with his sword.

Round 5 Overlook:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9262983&postcount=9722

Losers Round 5 Results:

1.) Metaknight Vs. Roy +1 Metaknight. -1 Roy.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 649 - 652

Summarized Reason: Since Roy has absolutely no way to reach Metaknight's Halberd, he can't assault Metaknight. On the other hand, Metaknight's Halberd is a weapon in itself.

2.) Zero Suit Samus Vs. Zelda -1 Zelda. +1 Zero Suit.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 652 - 654

Summarized Reason: Zelda just doesn't have what it takes to keep up with Samus' super human abilities. Zelda may teleport around for a while, but she won't be able to keep it up for long.

3.) Lucario Vs. Marth -1 Marth. +1 Lucario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 654 - 656

Summarized Reason: Lucario is faster, stronger, and more forceful than Marth. He basically beats him in any way possible. At far range, Marth poses little to none threat, while Lucario can attack with VERY powerful moves such as aurasphere.

4.) Kirby Vs. Falcon -1 Falcon. +1 Kirby.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 656, 657

Summarized Reason: Kirby has a ton of different items he can abuse on Falcon. Falcon's vehicle can reach up to 1000mp in speed, but that alone won't be enough to stop the variety of abilities Kirby can obtain.

5.) Game & Watch Vs. R.O.B -1 R.O.B. +1 Game & Watch.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 657 - 661

Summarized Reason: Since G&W could at least move around, this match-up goes to him. G&W, while 2-D, has shown to be able to move around in games canon to him. R.O.B hasn't done anything.. but just be there.

6.) King Dedede Vs. Ice Climbers -1 Ice Climbers. +1 King Dedede.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 661, 662

Summarized Reason: King Dedede has a bunch more harmful tools and items to fight the climbers with. The climbers pose little threat.

7.) Pit Vs. Snake -1 Pit. +1 Snake.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 662 - 665

Summarized Reason: Pit can run. Pit can fly. But Snake will hunt him down. With as much ranged weapons as Snake has, Pit isn't safe anywhere.

8.) Link Vs. Metaknight -1 Link. +1 Metaknight.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 665, 666

Summarized Reason: Link really has no answer to Metaknight's Halberd. With Halberd being as large, as high up, and as powerful as it is,, Link is hopeless against it.

9.) Yoshi Vs. Roy -1 Yoshi. +1 Roy.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 666 - 668

Summarized Reason: Yoshi is pretty much hopeless in this match-up.

10.) Jigglypuff Vs. Dedede -1 Dedede. +1 Jigglypuff.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 668 - 675

Summarized Reason:

11.) Olimar Vs. Pikachu -1 Olimar. +1 Pikachu.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 675 - 677

Summarized Reason:

12.) Pichu Vs. Ice Climbers -1 Climbers. +1 Pichu.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 680

Summarized Reason:

13.) Falco Vs. Pokemon Trainer -1 Falco. +1 Trainer.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 680 - 681

Summarized Reason:

Loser's Round 5 Overlook:


Round 6 Results:

1.) Ganondorf Vs. Mario -1 Mario. +1 Ganondorf.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 681 - 691

Summarized Reason:

2.) Samus Vs. Ness -1 Ness. +1 Samus.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 691 - 698

Summarized Reason:

3.) Sonic Vs. Mewtwo Draw.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 698 - 709

Summarized Reason:

4.) Ike Vs. Fox -1 Fox. +1 Ike.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 709 - 711

Summarized Reason:

5.) Bowser Vs. Diddy -1 Diddy. +1 Bowser.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 711, 712

Summarized Reason:

6.) Metaknight Vs. Snake -1 Snake. +1 Metaknight.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 712, 713

Summarized Reason:

7.) Toon Link Vs. Pokemon Trainer -1 Tink. +1 Pokemon Trainer.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 713 - 715

Summarized Reason:

8.) Luigi Vs. Young Link -1 Yink. +1 Luigi.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 715 - 720

Summarized Reason:

9.) Wolf Vs. Lucas -1 Wolf. +1 Lucas.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 720 722

Summarized Reason:


Round 6 Overlook:


Loser's Round 6 Results:


1.) Falco Vs. Link -1 Link. +1 Falco

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 722, 723

Summarized Reason:

2.) Zero Suit Samus Vs. Lucario -1 ZSS. +1 Lucario.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 723 - 725

Summarized Reason:

3.) Zelda Vs. Falcon -1 Zelda. +1 Falcon.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 725, 726

Summarized Reason:

4.) Marth Vs. Roy - 1 Roy. +1 Marth.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 725 - 730

Summarized Reason:

5.) Pit Vs. Wario Draw.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 730, 736

Summarized Reason:

6.) Donkey Kong Vs. Pikachu -1 Pikachu. +1 Donkey Kong.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 736 - 738

Summarized Reason:

7.) Yoshi Vs. Olimar -1 Olimar. +1 Yoshi.

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 738 - 741

Summarized Reason:

8.) Jigglypuff Vs. Kirby -1 Jiggs. +1 Kirby

Page(s) This Was Discussed: 741

Summarized Reason:

THE TIER LIST WILL BE MADE AFTER ALL MATCH-UPS ARE DONE. THE MATCH-UP RESULTS WILL DETERMINE THE PLACINGS.
 

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If it would be Mario vs Link with realistic capabilities (I'm reading this as "no extraordinary powers"), Link would win. Sword, bow and arrow, bombs... Everything he has kills people right away. Mario... steps on heads.
 

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Yeah, Link would win. Mario can't really do much with his real capabillities.
 

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This thread was made once before, it got 10,000 posts and was then locked.
And was filled with bias, non-respect of any kind of regulated debate and people just sat on their main's throne thinking he was the best and refuting any argument with no proof whatsoever.

Kinda like here.

And every freaking thread in general ever.
 

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llolololololololol
too late ):

Jk.
Link. Sword training. Climbing mountains. Going miles over treacherous lands. Facing monsters armed with deadly weapons. Beating numerous large bosses. Can climb ropes/ vines/ mountains.
This guy is a total athletic beast!

Mario. Stomping. Smashing with hammers. Go-karts. Golfing. Tennis. Partying. Eating pasta.
Mario is your rich dude that apparently doesn't bother doing what he says he does best. Plumbing the sewer line.

In terms of realism. Link would overcome due to his athletic abilities.
 

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The problem with these tourneys is that in real life some people would be plain OP:

For example, Bowser would destroy EVERYONE until he got to the Space Animals, Samus and Mewtwo

Due to his real description of supposedly being around 10,000 lbs and 13 ft, he will simply creme any of the "fighters" (mario bros, shiek, Falcon)

And the sword users would have to face fire breath.

As well, a shell that size with spikes....pretty dang tough....
 

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Link has a shield, he can just hide behind the shield until Bowser's fire breath is over then stab. Bowser shouldn't be related yet! lol it Mario v Link.
yeah vote towards link, same thing as POKE40 said.
 

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realism? in that case, mario is a freak of nature-type midget, his tiny legs wouldnt be able to support his torso and gigantic head

he would just fall over and be a sitting duck
 

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yeah.....that's obviously true. link would win
buhu ................
 

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Ike and Sonic's Hair look similar...
Sonic my be fast, but Swordsman reactions are like honed to be to at its limit, so I reckon Ike
he wields a 2-hander with 1 hand, so if he uses both...it'll be rather fast.
 

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Ike would win against sonic for sure. If Ike was likehe is in his games, he would have great precision and he would be able to stop sonic. Sonic is too weak to do anything to Ike

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he'd need the chaos emeralds which are scattered round the world and has to somehow get through a load of traffic congestions in MANY cities to even find 1 =/
 

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???

Sonic goes Super Sonic and drags Ike into space. Ike can't breath in space, Super Sonic can.

gg
 

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Ike in the end of FE10 can only be hurt by weapons blessed by Ashera thanks to Yune's blessing. He's also one of the fastest characters in his games (unlike Brawl. Stupid programers), and one of the strongest. He also has kick butt defense, and about average resistance. But Sonic doesn't have magic, so that doesn't matter. Ragnell also has shockwaves that come out when he swings the sword.

Sonic can't win, period.
 

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Link has a shield, he can just hide behind the shield until Bowser's fire breath is over then stab. Bowser shouldn't be related yet! lol it Mario v Link.
yeah vote towards link, same thing as POKE40 said.
the flames would wrap around and hurt link, his shield only covers about 50% of his body

Ike in the end of FE10 can only be hurt by weapons blessed by Ashera thanks to Yune's blessing. He's also one of the fastest characters in his games (unlike Brawl. Stupid programers), and one of the strongest. He also has kick butt defense, and about average resistance. But Sonic doesn't have magic, so that doesn't matter. Ragnell also has shockwaves that come out when he swings the sword.

Sonic can't win, period.
In this we arent using magic, because it is too much of a variable. If we let Ike use magic we can let sonic use Chaos Emeralds, then it turns into a mess

lets look at it this way:

Sonic can move at around....lets say 100mph at a good run.

we'll also figure he weighs about 80-100lbs

using some physics, a mass of 100lbs moving at 100mph would have a force of 10,000 N.

Now, Ike would get bowled over and break some bones if hit with that, yet at the same time, could sonic survive even knicking the sword at the force?

If sonic even hits the edge of that hard sword, which has greater density, he'd just go smoosh and break his arms/legs/ribs

Its all a variable of where sonic hits in this, and if he has a chance to take Ike off gaurd.
 

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One character's hella fast, and the other, while quite fast in terms of movment himself, is very strong.

Though, Ike, in no way, can catch up with Sonic's intense speed. Even in his game, Ike's attacks take some time. I doubt he'll ever be able to catch, let alone hit, Sonic. As Flying Dutchman said, Sonic goes Super Sonic, becomes faster than the speed of sound..and wins.


My vote goes to Sonic.
 

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Ike doesn't need to move as fast, as Sonic can not possibly hurt him due to his blessing. It's not something Ike can even turn off. It's just...there. If you want a realistic fight, Ike has the blessing, or you have to exclude FE10. In which case we need to exclude some of Sonic's games/powers to even it out.

With the blessing, Ike can just stand there all day as Sonic tries to hurt him, and keeps bouncing off of Ike until he finally tires out.
 

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Isn't Ragnell blessed by Ashera as well? I'm quite sure it is. Sonic wouldn't have trouble snatching, nor lifting it, from Ike.

Sonic wins.
 

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I don't think this is a "realistic" battle. It's more of a, "Which Video Game Character Would Win?" thread. If you wanted realism, there wouldn't be magic, nor running hedgehogs. If you mean "realistic" as in, "The characters look real," then characters like Mario, Ness, Sonic, aren't in this, since they're far from looking real. Without a set definition, people are going to use what they want, and this thread won't get anywhere. In reality, Sonic would get killed with one or two hits from a blade or firearm.
 

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I don't think this is a "realistic" battle. It's more of a, "Which Video Game Character Would Win?" thread. If you wanted realism, there wouldn't be magic, nor running hedgehogs. If you mean "realistic" as in, "The characters look real," then characters like Mario, Ness, Sonic, aren't in this, since they're far from looking real. Without a set definition, people are going to use what they want, and this thread won't get anywhere. In reality, Sonic would get killed with one or two hits from a blade or firearm.
I know, i should change the title. By realistic I meant to say "true to their game".
 

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until he runs out of rings that is.
How long can you hold your breath?

Okay, so you say: Ike can't be harmed. Sounds good. Sonic can still carry him into space and leave him there... Even if he could breathe in space, he won't be able to fight, while Sonic safely flies back to Earth.
 

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I agree with Dryn on many levels. My thoughts: Normally when Mario vs Link if their were true to their game, Mario has been though more than Link has ever been though, this guy went pass galaxy's to save a princess, has Link ever did this? No. Now Ike vs Sonic, Ike is almost at the same position as Link, a swords that's been handed from the gods, but Ike has more skill with his blade than Link. Sonic however goes faster than the speed of sound, and can destroy machines with his body!? And when he goes Super Sonic, just about nothing can stop him. As much as I love Ike, Sonic will win vs Ike.

Edited: Title change, most of my post doesn't matter anymore, lol.
 

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Ike actually has a weapon. For Sonic to get close to him, he has to risk getting torn apart. And to anyone who says not hitting the right part, eruption.
I cant add much more to that, seens as I've never played FE. Sonic could go Super Sonic, but he'd need the Chaos Emeralds first, so if people assume like a duel with them pitted against each other in an arena, Ike would win.
Without it, Sonic could just run straight for the Chaos Emeralds, in which case he'd win. I think this really depends on the situation in which they fight.
 

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What can Ike do, he would be lucky to even hit Sonic how fast he goes. Sonic for my vote, and I'm ashame to people pick Link over Mario. >.>
 

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How long can you hold your breath?

Okay, so you say: Ike can't be harmed. Sounds good. Sonic can still carry him into space and leave him there... Even if he could breathe in space, he won't be able to fight, while Sonic safely flies back to Earth.
Does anyone see what I mean? It becomes role-playing.

"Ike is blessed. Ike is now invincible."

"Sonic picks up Ike and throws him into space. Sonic heads back to Earth."

So, we start putting our thoughts into these characters. Is that what Sonic would do, or is it something you think Sonic should do, because that's what you'd do?
 
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