Sing is a Taunt, Nothing More: Shocking Results

illinialex24 · Jan 28, 2009

Okay, many have thought that there are as least 1 or so uses to an on-stage singt. I mean, past 120%, you can generally get a decent frame advantage and in a tech situation near the ledge, it should put them to sleep long enough to punish them.

However, in training, controlling both characters, I set sing to Up-C and was controlling a Mario on the other end. What I noticed was that at 0%, if you mash buttons (as opposed to none at all where you get up at the same time she stops singing), you get up before the second wave. This is a huge time difference. So pressing buttons as fast as someone can be expected to do, I tried to find a percentage on Mario where you could get a reasonable frame advantage to SH a move, rest, or F-smash.

This was the result, I didn't go further:
Jigglypuff first gets a frame advantage against a mashed button sing at 200%. Thats right. 200%. On Mario. This should differ for different characters but the result is fairly clear: even if you hit sing on the stage, which is fairly difficult and not very worthwhile to do, the result is worthless. Before 200%, the opponent has a frame advantage on Jigglypuff and can punish her as a Mario. Moral of the story, don't use sing.

Oh yeah and Rhed, sorry to hurt your feelings.

Noobicidal · Jan 28, 2009

"And thus, the pre-mature life of a well-known move has ended. The final cast-iron nail was struck into the mahogany casket that now holds the move that was near and dear to our hearts. Our thirst for knowledge on this legendary move has finally been sated. Let this innocent move return to the dust."

So ends the story of Sing.

MrEh · Jan 28, 2009

This is the reason why everyone should use Sing the same way I do.

I don't.

Spoonbob · Jan 28, 2009

It's okay Rhed..the pain will go away...

Thinkaman · Jan 28, 2009

One day, I will prove the worthiness of Sing. Until that day it is completely worthless... but when that day comes, all shall remember this post. It shall be glorious.

TheStig · Jan 28, 2009

i still use sing. it looks awesome in that slowed time before the results screen shows

illinialex24 · Jan 28, 2009

TheStig said:
i still use sing. it looks awesome in that slowed time before the results screen shows

I love the humor in this thread.

Kitamerby · Jan 28, 2009

It should have unlimited range when on Pokemon Stadium 2 like in that one event match. D:

EWING · Jan 28, 2009

so does sing have a cooldown for how long you can be up to hit for it?

what i mean to say is, if you get up before the second or third wave and it hits you, will you fall back asleep?

illinialex24 · Jan 28, 2009

EWING said:
so does sing have a cooldown for how long you can be up to hit for it?

what i mean to say is, if you get up before the second or third wave and it hits you, will you fall back asleep?

It does have a cooldown and I did not test if you can fall asleep again, but they can attack in time before they fall asleep. They should be able to get off a quick smash, any grab, most tilts and jabs.

Noobicidal · Jan 28, 2009

Kitamerby said:
It should have unlimited range when on Pokemon Stadium 2 like in that one event match. D:

Totally. Working on all three opponents at once was EPIC.

Kitamerby · Jan 28, 2009

Noobicidal said:
Totally. Working on all three opponents at once was EPIC.

Heck, Sing should ALWAYS have infinite range. ALWAYS. The mere fact that you can mash out of it should be enough to make that idea "fair!" :D

MorpheusVGX · Jan 28, 2009

This move was indeed a huge mistake on game design. It is really a worthless move in any type of competition ( 1 vs 1, 4 player FFA, etc) . It is a shame. This is the worst move in the whole game.

illinialex24 · Jan 28, 2009

MorpheusVGX said:
This move was indeed a huge mistake on game design. It is really a worthless move in any type of competition ( 1 vs 1, 4 player FFA, etc) . It is a shame. This is the worst move in the whole game.

I dunno, two of Jigglypuff's other moves are in the running. F-tilt and D-tilt.

petre · Jan 28, 2009

you forget the power of ledgehopped sing...

i don't care how situational it is

illinialex24 · Jan 28, 2009

petre said:
you forget the power of ledgehopped sing...

That does have some use but also a very bad issue. If its anticipated, the opponent can jump and therefore not fall asleep and steal the ledge from you, causing an embarrassing suicide.

Mith_ · Jan 28, 2009

Yay you all finally realized Sing's best use.

illinialex24 · Jan 28, 2009

Mithx said:
Yay you all finally realized Sing's best use.

None at all. Amen.

EWING · Jan 28, 2009

illinialex24 said:
That does have some use but also a very bad issue. If its anticipated, the opponent can jump and therefore not fall asleep and steal the ledge from you, causing an embarrassing suicide.

yep. except when you force them to have lag right by the edge, ie quick ledgegrabbing as game and watch does his up-b then using sing while hes in lag

illinialex24 · Jan 28, 2009

EWING said:
yep. except when you force them to have lag right by the edge, ie quick ledgegrabbing as game and watch does his up-b then using sing while hes in lag

Nah, the best thing to do against a bad G&W is to grab their B-up. The die because they can't B-up again from what I heard.

petre · Jan 28, 2009

EWING said:
yep. except when you force them to have lag right by the edge, ie quick ledgegrabbing as game and watch does his up-b then using sing while hes in lag

not like you wouldn't be able to rest him then anyway.

EWING · Jan 28, 2009

petre said:
not like you wouldn't be able to rest him then anyway.

um, why not

illinialex24 said:
Nah, the best thing to do against a bad G&W is to grab their B-up. The die because they can't B-up again from what I heard.

you cant, because gw's up-b sweet spots the ledge unless you quick ledgegrab first. if you do it too early though you'll get hit and maybe stagespiked

Schwaumlaut · Jan 28, 2009

Not even a use in teams? FALCON PAWNCH!

MrEh · Jan 29, 2009

Schwaumlaut said:
Not even a use in teams? FALCON PAWNCH!

Grab accomplishes the same thing, minus the stupidity. ^^

Veril · Jan 29, 2009

that's really sad

TheStig · Jan 29, 2009

i guess you could use sing if your opponent is chasing you off the stage. you can sing facing opposite the stage and grab the ledge but overall just no.

Flamingo · Jan 29, 2009

ledge-cancelled sing. Ftw.

DJ Kat · Jan 29, 2009

That's kind of sad.

Just when i thought someone would find some kind of ground-breaking discovery with sing, with all of Rhed's exploration, but now we've got this attitude to ignore it completely.

Hell, you'd think they nerfed it for a reason since 64.. why do you suppose that is? Seriously.

Tarmogoyf · Jan 29, 2009

I no longer have a reason to live.

*Kills self with offstage song*

illinialex24 · Jan 29, 2009

DJ Kat said:
That's kind of sad.

Just when i thought someone would find some kind of ground-breaking discovery with sing, with all of Rhed's exploration, but now we've got this attitude to ignore it completely.

Hell, you'd think they nerfed it for a reason since 64.. why do you suppose that is? Seriously.

The thing is there is no reason the explore it. Your opponent should never be above 200% and if they are, its two risky a game at that point to be using sing or not worth it.

Mister E · Jan 29, 2009

Sing is still the most humilating Kills ever.... so it's not useless

Mr. Escalator · Jan 29, 2009

Well... maybe if you hit them with the last wave...
RIP Sing :<

Noobicidal · Jan 29, 2009

Tarmogoyf said:
I no longer have a reason to live.

*Kills self with offstage song*

Truly the most beautiful suicide for Miss 'Puff.

Metatitan · Jan 29, 2009

im still going to sing when i predict an illusion coming from falco/fox. i wanna get a replay of that really lucky shot lol

Teh Future · Jan 29, 2009

The other day I used sing and my opponent tripped into the last wave giving me a free rest for the win (both of us were at like 100+% too LOL) its basically the best replay ever.

PND · Jan 29, 2009

Sing ALSO lets you know when you perform a rising pound incorrectly.

M-WUZ-H3R3 · Jan 29, 2009

USES FOR SING:
-Taunt.
-Taunt on edge.
-Short hopped taunt.
-Useful rising pound buffer as you fail to recover on your last stock.
-Oh no I ran out of jumps! Flashy roar as you fall to your death, Sing.
-Ledge Canceled Sing for the lulz

illinialex24 · Jan 29, 2009

Futurewrestler said:
The other day I used sing and my opponent tripped into the last wave giving me a free rest for the win (both of us were at like 100+% too LOL) its basically the best replay ever.

Lol, the best use for sing.

PNDMike said:
Sing ALSO lets you know when you perform a rising pound incorrectly.

This.

rinoH · Jan 29, 2009

of course no one uses sing

Noobicidal · Jan 29, 2009

PNDMike said:
Sing ALSO lets you know when you perform a rising pound incorrectly.

Totally... It wasn't until late December when I learned to FINALLY stop singing whilst RP'ing. Sing is an almighty teacher, and I was her student.

Lulz at the abbreviation.

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