PK-ow!
Smash Lord
What do you mean advanced voca-I think that the less metaphors, advanced vocabulary, and complex wording, the more people will understand and be interested in what you have to say. I'm sorry, but (even if I do OR DON'T understand) spending too much time reading one's point of view over the whole debate just to see another, well, point of view, is time not well spent IMO.
*looks over what he wrote*
Aww, crap.
I'm afraid I don't know how to avoid that. If I don't put the words down in that form, I just don't know how to say what I mean.
That. . . is not at all what I said.I do agree with you, though... Banning a character before experimenting other different 'more viable' options would be too much a drastic measure in itself to take.
Unless you meant the part I had for Shaya. Then it is something to do with what I said. Remotely.
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If there were an emoticon for depression to the point of bawling one's soul out, I'd use it right here. That's how depressed it makes me I'm really so unclear.
By contrast. . .Pk- OW is right the other side has no arguments. They are simply a wall trying to refute everything. Some pieces of the wall are more fortified and reinforced than others. That is a problem within itself. Its not like pure awesomes example of the carrot eliminating all tangents and solving the main problem because the criteria for each person for meta knight to be banned varies. yuna criteria follows closely to strlins. Very different from some of the other anti banners. his criteria for banning something will be very hard to disprove. problem is not everyones resolve is as structured as his. When their reasons are deturred then their fallback is simply he shouldnt be banned! learn your characters!
the pro ban side has ignorance but it least they are attempting to justifly said ignorance the anti ban just has random morons screaming from the peanut gallery.
Looking in to this the pro ban side may not be all the way right but they put in the effort. We've had time to analyze mks dominance/work on other characters and its proven that a more diverse scene would appear in his banning. Can you take the risk?
Masmasher, this is a disgustingly lazy corruption of what I said. While my normal response would be "please read more carefully," I simply cannot avoid the conclusion that you negligently twisted my words, in your mind, to arrive at your own personal view of the scenario. Hence, "lazy".
Please question what you read, but also your own motives as you read them.
New material: (EDIT: This is post 3206, by the way)
There isn't such a thing as "a hypocritical argument", like that's a fallacy.No, this is what I'm trying to get at.
It seems that nobody cares if you use a secondary against a bad match-up that you have. If Lee went Marth in a match-up Lucario was bad at and Marth was good at, nobody would have cared. Everyone would have been fine with it.
But he went MK.
And suddenly, everyone's going crazy over his decision which was really just personal preference, because another character would have worked just as well as MK. It's the same match-up. But now suddenly, this is reason to ban MK, when it really should not be.
I forget exactly who posted this like 20 pages back, but it's a true statement: you either use the CP system or you don't. Don't put up the argument that, "MK destroys the CP system!" when you're against people actually using said CP system, like in this case. If you aren't actually using secondaries to cover bad match-ups, saying that MK destroys the CP system is a hypocritical argument.
I can argue a perfectly valid, even sound argument, but not live/practice the conclusion in my personal life.
It doesn't make the argument invalid, unsound, or unusable. I could be making an argument that is sound by accident, I could have failed to realize the contradiction between my actions and the conclusion, or I could just be bonkers while a logical progression of statements happened to flow from my mouth. Anything's possible.
What is a fallacy, would be rejecting an argument because the arguer is allegedly "hypocritical." And the name should be well-known: Ad hominem.