Sheik Video & Video Critique Thread

[Dcold]

Hi Red, are you the same Red that I saw in videos of Phoenix Saga 2? Well, anyway

I like your Sheik, one thing I must say is you hit his shield a good deal when sometimes it was unnecessary and you got grabbed/punished in general for it. For example you'd jab->jab->jab which I'd imagine was trying to push him away so he couldn't punish you (by the 3rd jab), you could have instead canceled after the first or second, and grab, or run away and reset the situation. Just because he is infront of you does not mean you have to attack him, you could grab aswell.

I don't play against Pikachus ever, but I do think we have a grab release on him (confirm/deny) was surprised I didn't see it at all.

That was the only thing really present to me that I saw.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Gr-dacus on pikachu hits with the second hit

 

[#HBC | Scary]

I swear I've sweet spotted it before

EDIT: I have a few new things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MLJsvX4-2g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNrSJxrH4EY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://youtu.be/1Om_lR_4JiI

http://youtu.be/H6z_FUDifn4

http://youtu.be/QlAIVZVK3ds

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Sheik players have this saying in melee, that I've begun to adapt in brawl "Zelda is never the answer"

Also you could have easily ended game 3 with Sheik. =[

But besides that I feel like you were jumping into zero suit too much, like the only place i never want to be when I'm fighting zero suit is above her. Also imo Dash attack really destroys her spacing, like its the same range as her d-smash, and hits from the bubble within her side-b. Like when Sheik is running at zss full speed, what can she do? Side-b has enough start up to be punished on reaction, like i said earlier her down-smash is the same range as our dash attack, and I think our start up is shorter than hers, even if its not, I know its not any slower so that worst that'll happen, most likely, is that you trade a dash attack with a down smash she can't capitalize on if she at midish percents. Like her best options are to either shield or spotdodge.

Like, you really had that tho, even as Zelda if u hadn't hesitated on that upsmash u would have had the set, but i also feel like Zelda has no way to hit ZSS, like ZSS will never be in punishable range of Zelda's attacks, because she just out ranges Zelda really badly, and Zelda is slow, and sucks.

You just really outplayed the other 2 tho.


I think I've tippered pikachu as well, but until is see like it done in a video, I'm going to stick with only the 2nd part of the upsmash lands.

 

[Dcold]

I like that saying lolol.

Also I get excited over odd things, like the needle slide -> cancels, gets me excited. Lolol

What I've learned about Zero Suit is that jumping at her really doesn't help, Sheik's ground game really does out-do hers, she can only really jab or downsmash in close combat, so if you just run in her face, she can spot dodge, or shield, both of which you can punish, and then destroy her in her face. Jumping at her just hits shield and then she can punish our landing right infront of her face.

 

[Zankoku]

Zelda is never the answer, especially when it's in fact supposed to be a chain tether recovery.

 

[Dcold]

Game 3's ending made me cry for you Ed. That broke my heart.

 

[clowsui]

why is the music so **** on that SV

tell me the name of those tracks O_O

well i know one of them is from SA2B

are they all from SA2B?

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Game 3's ending made me cry for you Ed. That broke my heart.

Trust me, that moment it happened I just threw my controller down and shook D-torr's hand. Laughed it off a little later. My philosophy was "don't question a decision if you're feeling it" and I was at that moment. Sometimes you win, and sometimes that happens lol.

 

[RED6]

@Dcold

Ty sir. I do need to practice going into other options after I use my first jabs, I just get a little nervous sometimes when playin a pika and just want it away from me. lol. but i def see that it was a mistake to go into the jab animation a lot of the time, and I should have prolly tried grabbing, d smashing, etc.

I also haven't really practiced GR dacus too much. I really just tried avoiding trying to dacus most of the time in that match out of fear of failing and being punished. I plan to practice a bit more on it soon though.

And yeah, I'm the RED who was at Phoenix Saga 2. I wasn't playin too well that day, but I was there lol

 

[Dcold]

Ah, well I get you there, I used to (and still think I do lol) Dacus too much for no reason at times. But as I've learned to do now is just like only use it when it's guaranteed, or that you can't be punished by it. Sometimes I just use it to like get away and create space between myself and the opponent.

GR Dacus is great, but yeah, not absolutely needed.

For the jabs though, Sheik is fast enough to jab and then run away in the other direction, like it takes some quick reaction time to catch her, and some reaction time to be able to dash away before a punish comes so it's good to practice. Or you could grab because you can see they're going to shield that or else they'll take some decent damage, then after the grab just allow yourself to reset etc.

@ Ed
Yeah I know what you mean, but that even stings me that it just like crumbled right there, was so sad lol. I am TERRIBLE at using Zelda, so if I ever transform into her, I hope that I get the kill asap or else I'm done a stock lolol.

By the way, got 4 tournaments this month, 3rd 10th 17th and the 31st, there's another on the 24th but I'm not made of money lolol. I'll definitely try to have replays up for critique.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

I know what you mean man. It's so sad when that happens. Normally my Zelda is always on point so when that happened......yup.

Also good like at your next tourneys.

@RED: I'll get a look at these vids soon. More Sheiks are ways welcome!

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Also on game two, you repeatedly tried to get back on the stage by wall clinging then jumping back up, but after the first few times you got punished for it, every time, in fact a lot of the damage you took on your second stock as from that. I'm not convinced that wall cling is a good way yo get on the stage, since limits our options down to jump back on the stage, or wait and jump back on the ledge, and if you just stayed on the ledge you would have had 7 options 4 of which have invulnerability frames.

Sheik sucks at getting off the ledge, but I'm going to try and implement the ledgedrop chain jump on stage trick into my game since it's so fast people won't expect/react too slowly.

 

[WIDL]

I swear I've sweet spotted it before

EDIT: I have a few new things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MLJsvX4-2g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Kinda irrelevant, but I just had to comment on the amazing song. I've been listening to it a lot lately, then I find this. Too good to be true.

I like your Sheik though. I'm not really a competent Brawl-player (I play melee and 64 mainly), so I can't judge, but your style is kinda similar to mine. You seem way more consistent with the DACUS though lol (you have a certain control setup for that? or whatever it's called). But like the others said, watch your ledge game, and when you get up onto the stage.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

@red As Sheik you should tether more, esp om stages like delfino/ps1 where you cant sweetspot the edge with vanish or it's easy to screw up and die on. Also you can tether through thunder and not take any damage.

as Zelda you should d-tilt more and don't be afraid to nayru's pika's thunder, also work on finding time to transform, I personally like to do it offstage in a spot where pika can't reach with thunder

 

[RED6]

Ok. I thought I might have been able to tether and not get hit by it, but a couple of times I got nervous and just went with the vanish then got punished.
And ya, I def wasn't finding time to transform lol. I'd get stuck as Zelda and wouldn't even think to transform offstage or anything. I'll def try to incorporate that as well as using d-tilt more and nayru's on pika's thunder (which I somehow completely forgot about in that match)
Ty sir.
On a side note, how is it that you perform that ledgedrop chain jump thing? Do you just have to save your second jump?

 

[Dcold]

You mean the same type of ledgedrop whip move that ZSS has?

For Sheik atleast, yes you do.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Also I would recommend posting your videos in the zelda boards as well, since they know more about zelda than most of us Sheik's do,

 

[Dcold]

I need to learn how to play against Diddy, no Diddys play on wifi...

Welp out of the tourny now, lost to Raptor and Jpiscrazy , coulda won vs raptor but eh, did something stupid. Mid tiers tourny starting soon. Vid of raptor will be up later and more hopefully.

edit:
vs Raptor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7xnjVC73vU&feature=youtu.be

I honestly think I played completely **** here, up until the very last stock of Game 3. I really don't know some MUs, wifi only has so many GOOD players of each character, and sadly some are out of wifi's decent connection range :/

 

[Alacion]

That song is really that good? o.o

@clowsui The song's name is "I'm a spy". It's from the Security Hall stage from SA2B

 

[Dcold]

Finally finished recording & uploading them:

Vs John Numbers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJOv9sx-iTY&feature=channel

Vs BigDM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhTiXQQMAIM&feature=channel

Vs Luigi Sama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n67RV4eEKDA&feature=channel

Vs MintyFlesh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igvUQXXTqh4&feature=youtu.be

I need to record matches in a different quality, I see this now. Can't be bothered to re-record these, so the random slow-motion and desynced audio will have to be ignored for now. Critiques please?

 

[Zankoku]

While under normal circumstances I'd be okay with not getting efficient KOs and just hitting the other guy until he eventually dies, you're taking way too much damage in the meantime. I suggest not being so liberal with your approaches when your objective is to take back the advantage, not trade blows.

 

[Death Arcana]

Dcold I like you. You got a nice foundation an for the most part you play extremely smart.

You need to learn Jab>Jab>to strong hit nair for kills though. It's Sheiks most effective and safest way to KO opponents. would have helped you out against Lucario immensely. Make sure against Marth you take your time when your on the ledge instead of just trying to get on the stage as soon as possible....stall a little bit. I like your fair>grab mixups you were doing...i'm gonna steal that

Some of your videos were messed up so it was hard for me to watch them.

 

[Dcold]

Thank you! Only my 3rd tournament I've attended, still learning some things that work offline since majorily I'm a wifi player. Gotta study some combos/mixups and incorporate them into my game.

Oh and I realize the problem now, (careless with my things) I was kicking my dazzle from time to time because I get bored recording and it made it go in slow mo >.< plus, the quality was eh...

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Johh#'s wasn't punishing it, but when you land next to lucario after hitting his shield he can footstool dair you out of sheild.

Be careful of landing after hitting people's shields in general is pretty much punishable, if you find yourself playing people who do punish it a lot, you can mix up with empty hops behind them into jab pressure, or empty hop again, or empty hop grab.

 

[Dcold]

Yeah I need to stop hitting shields, sometimes I overcommit when I'm in the air, I just feel magnetically pulled to attack them in some way. Especially in tournament, gotta get the kinks out.

 

[Death Arcana]

Make sure you learn how to kill with nair though. I can't stress the importance of this enough. If you hit shield with it you can retreating full hop with it and still be safe against a lot of characters.

It's amazing for baiting airdodges as well and even if you mistime it, it's a sex kick so it lasts long enough to still hit in most cases anyways.

 

[Dcold]

Ah, I don't normally kill with nair, I don't know why, I usually just use its soft hit to combo into things like jab or grabs. I only really use Nair for out of shield punishment.

 

[Dcold]

Been a while, doesn't count as a double post.

Learned why my videos sometimes desync and such, still working out the kinks, using VirtualDub now to record (Thanks Aisight), but forgot to do like 2 of the settings so like the game vs Ish is a little desynced to say the least. MechWarrior game is terribly bad, but not much to see there anyway.

Critiques very much welcomed!

$1 Money Match vs False - Set 1

$1 Money Match vs False - Set 2

First time facing a good Snake offline, I don't think I did terrible.

Winner's Round 2 - Vinnie > What can I say? :/

Loser's Round 2 - Ish > I did some stupid, stupid things here, and got myself killed 2 times because of it. Without those, I'd like to think I won.

I also have some matches against Bloodcross's Falco, but they're on his SD card, not sure if he'll upload them.

 

[Orion*]

You're followups on snake are incomplete. There are so many times you have juggle opportunities and you run away and just try and hit his landing with needles. while this is a good option btw, that's all it does... you give snake damage and it resets to neutral which is kinda bad for you LOL. Sheik can juggle snake just fine, it might take some practice but learn to cover his landing options and stay safe. And... you still have full charge needles to cover his landing//hit him if you **** up LOL.

You never walk. NEVER.

You also Empty sh pointlessly. It's one thing to use it as a bait. it's another to just... do it lol. Sheiks landing options aren't god given, I wouldn't **** w/ that **** unless you have a plan.

You need to learn when grenades explode a bunch of times you got put in situations where just sat in a bad position with shield up when you can just like walk away lol.

You dont get enough grabs on snake.

edit: this is all you vs false

and you should teach me to use chain LOL

 

[Dcold]

I'm not used to grenade times, I realize this and I have to learn the timing for it, and I usually try to juggle him when I have him out of cypher, or with a bair or fair since he can pull a nade out of up air (I believe) so rather than trading damage, would punish his landings. I did a good amount of stupid stuff though, but I guess it comes with offline experience.

 

[Orion*]

you can space in a way that doesnt hit the nade

 

[SinisterB]

Nades last 5 seconds, give or take a couple milliseconds or whatever. But yeah, watch your juggles and remember he has a hard time landing safely.

 

[Death Arcana]

Also use back throw almost exclusively against Snake since it doesn't blow up his nades

-Mars

 

[Orion*]

Nades last 5 seconds, give or take a couple milliseconds or whatever. But yeah, watch your juggles and remember he has a hard time landing safely.

Like. If you have to count 5 seconds you're doing it wrong. Just learn to feel that ****

take snake go into practice mode and start learning how to cook the nades properly. try just pulling one and powershielding when it explodes by feeling. mess around. do stuff.

Also use back throw almost exclusively against Snake since it doesn't blow up his nades

-Mars

/didnt know this
#hyped as **** now

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Like. If you have to count 5 seconds you're doing it wrong. Just learn to feel that ****

Obi-Wan status.

 

[phi1ny3]

5 seconds is awfully long, are you sure that's the time?

Also yeah, if you play around as snake or v. snake long enough, you get a sense of the timing.

Another random tip: don't use fthrow if a grenade is near you. The hitbox almost always blows up the grenade. dthrow/bthrow are better if you want similar angles.

Edit: Mars beat me to the punch haha

If you're good with timing needle throws, you can put a tooooon of shield pressure on snake when he's trying to cook grenades to camp you, a full needle storm pushes him back enough for the remaining needles to hit his grenade and it often blows up (does a lot of damage too if he isn't blocking for some reason lol).

You have to be really careful around snake's aerials, they hurt a loooooot if you aren't good at spacing uair or utilt. Sometimes baiting it is really useful, you can shield grab it afterward, or do dsmash (since the hitbox is on top), utilt, or tipper usmash if you time it juuuuust right (really strict if they're FFing it)

 

[Dcold]

I know that BThrow doesn't blow up grenades, but other throws usually put Snake in a worse position, and in the momentum of things all I can say is I didn't see him pull a grenade as he pulls them really fast in order to cover any of his mistakes, something I didn't realize in the first set especially. I usually Bthrow exclusively, but wanted to juggle etc. but never got the perfect opportunity of it. I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't know the Sheik MU as well as I'd think to know that they can pull a grenade out of her throws as Orion didn't know Bthrow didn't blow up a grenade ( or it seems ).

I'm actually decent at the Snake MU otherwise, my nerves are slowly going away, but in all honesty, I was playing False at one of my first tournaments, I'm bound to make some mistakes he can capitalize on. I don't play many high level Snakes, and that was the first time I had played a really good one offline. Oh well.

 

[phi1ny3]

Oh yeah, if the snake knows how to stop tilt locks (he can pull a grenade after a couple of ftilts), the MU becomes a lot more about setting up juggles than anything else. I would comment more, but I basically got pub-stomped pretty hard by the last snake I played, I really could do with going over the MU again, since I used to take pride in sheik being the char I used against Snake most often.

 

[Dcold]

I feel I would have played much differently if it were tournament. I would have done what I usually do vs Snakes; camp. But I didn't, oh well, hindsight is 20-20. No johns, only a dollar. Were good games anyway and good MU experience. Props to False