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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Luma
Smash Lord
read his approaches and punish them with wavedash back to anything (grab downsmash tilt whatever)
Binx
Smash Master
Drephen would prolly say spot dodge and grab, and I'm gonna go ahead and agree.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
do stuff win
Binx
Smash Master
With aggressive fox's it can be challenging, but if they are too aggressive its just a matter of predicting one move and beating it and then pressuring from there, if you beat a nair with a well spaced forward tilt then just read the tech chase from there and really punish from it, just make sure whatever you do it's on purpose and you know how to react afterwards.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I LIKE HAGS
sheik is a hog
discuss
sheik is a hog
discuss
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
sheik is never lulz sheik is fierce.
****** fierceness.
****** fierceness.
FIEEEERCE
..they call me haduken cause I"m down right fierce?
or was it shoryuken?
unno
next time I get a game of my sheik recorded (nu shiek not that old crap I have on the internets) i'll ask advice, instead of just asking questions.
..they call me haduken cause I"m down right fierce?
or was it shoryuken?
unno
next time I get a game of my sheik recorded (nu shiek not that old crap I have on the internets) i'll ask advice, instead of just asking questions.
CC grab or ftilt.
All day
Or lose. Personally losing is easier.
All day
Or lose. Personally losing is easier.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jutYbAObirE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIYwoGYjaSg&feature=channel_page
more vids coming from tournament
watch me get beaten by raynex
i can't gimp fox he's too hard
fortunately sh back bair seems pretty good against him so it's all good
i'm also bad at edgeguarding D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIYwoGYjaSg&feature=channel_page
more vids coming from tournament
watch me get beaten by raynex
i can't gimp fox he's too hard
fortunately sh back bair seems pretty good against him so it's all good
i'm also bad at edgeguarding D:
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
The only thing I recommend in terms of edgegaurding is playing around with the sh needle cancel to bair strategy. Your edgegaurds looked pretty creative to me you just missed a couple of them. Raynex seeemed to get you a lot by either firefoxing or phantasming above and a bit off the stage.
It just seems to cover a lot of options for me, he double jumps you double jump bair regardless of what he does, he firefoxes double jump bair, he phantasms just bair and he flies into it. The longer he waits and tries to DI away before jumping/doing something gives you more time to set up.
I know you know about it, I'm just throwing it out there. I find the person who has some creative edgegaurds with Sheik is Spawn so you might want to watch some of those for different ideas. Maybe his opponents just suck but he edgeguards well LOL.
**** David I see what you mean when you said you got greedy on gimps.
Stick to your game.
Stick to your game.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
but i'm an idiot
another match finished processing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEwzyuxMcDs&feature=channel_page
i think i mostly need to edgeguard less stupidly
i keep chucking grounded needles, it would probably be smarter like 90% of the time to just grab the edge and have sheik do the rest there's nothing that sheik's needles can't cover or her ground moves can't cover that her back air can't and her back air is safer than both of them but i'm stupid and forget that crap every time and then i miss gimps because raynex is smarter than me
stupid bad habits asdf
another match finished processing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEwzyuxMcDs&feature=channel_page
i think i mostly need to edgeguard less stupidly
i keep chucking grounded needles, it would probably be smarter like 90% of the time to just grab the edge and have sheik do the rest there's nothing that sheik's needles can't cover or her ground moves can't cover that her back air can't and her back air is safer than both of them but i'm stupid and forget that crap every time and then i miss gimps because raynex is smarter than me
stupid bad habits asdf
Only because you try to play gimp the space instead of to your strengths :/
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
i think i need to learn how to gimp >__>
it's pretty useful with sheik >__>
it's pretty useful with sheik >__>
<3
Eggm doesn't suck, neither does Bam.
Lol, but yeah I am teh best edgeguardzing Sheik ever. I just need a good on stage game. PC Chris was just like, man you've got edgeguarding down perfectly... but on stage... >.> Haha, so much to learn. :DBtw, Eggm has the best recovery in the world with spacies. I had to like predict what he was going to do otherwise I wouldn't edgeguard him... if he wasn't ridiculously far away.
LOL<3
Eggm doesn't suck, neither does Bam.
Btw, Eggm has the best recovery in the world with spacies. I had to like predict what he was going to do otherwise I wouldn't edgeguard him... if he wasn't ridiculously far away.
Really? Maybe I played Eggm too long, his recovery is kinda obvious to me.
Cia
das kwl
^ pssh, stop trying to sound superior.
i also think eggm has the best recovery.
but recently i've been guarding him pretty well.
i also think eggm has the best recovery.
but recently i've been guarding him pretty well.
BEST?
I think I have been unable to always completely edgeguard Jesus if anyone. He knows like every m2k angle for real >_>.
For falco though PC is usually my choice for best *Insert something here besides inhuman tech skill*
Hazygoose
Smash Lord
as chris's teammate it's going to be your job to walk around the venue and explain to people that he's not a 35-year-old homeless man.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
when i played him at rom i think i won almost all of my friendlies with him.
sheik ***** luigi.
just d-throw him and if he di behind you, shffl uair going backwards asap and shield and then when he comes down with nair just shield-grab him. or turn around and u-tilt at lower percents (0-10). if he di away just do fj fair --> follow or f-tilt dash forward and shield and then do the "wait for nair" shield-grab thingy. if they di the f-tilt away you probably can't follow it though so be careful.
and then just standard vs floaty / ice climbers fare applies. do fair, make sure your fair is winning, do back air, make sure your back air is winning, shield + wd oos grab / d-smash, needles from platform, needle --> grab, etc.
sheik ***** luigi.
just d-throw him and if he di behind you, shffl uair going backwards asap and shield and then when he comes down with nair just shield-grab him. or turn around and u-tilt at lower percents (0-10). if he di away just do fj fair --> follow or f-tilt dash forward and shield and then do the "wait for nair" shield-grab thingy. if they di the f-tilt away you probably can't follow it though so be careful.
and then just standard vs floaty / ice climbers fare applies. do fair, make sure your fair is winning, do back air, make sure your back air is winning, shield + wd oos grab / d-smash, needles from platform, needle --> grab, etc.
Binx
Smash Master
I was gonna tell you to reverse needle charge bair him more when hes off the ledge cause it covers most of the options he was choosing, then I saw you use it and **** his stock afterwards. So yeah... do that more, I'm still trying to learn all the gimping options vs most characters, it's sort of difficult for me cause I never really practiced with Sheik until recently.
From what I've seen though, reverse needle bair covers almost everything that they can do from slightly above to pretty fair below at certain distances from the ledge. Also just fairing the ledge can give you a shot at stopping a sweet spot double jump if your throw doesn't send them far, run off fair stops shine stall double jump shenanigans. But its risky, cause if you miss you die. Once you have those 2 covered, all your left with stopping is forward b sweetspots, which you can do by waiting a sec and doing a run off fair, or just time an edgehog, although typically you won't have time to turn around so I usually go with the former.
Lemme know if I missed any i really need to improve my off the ledge game, I'm an IC main remember so I'm not used to edgeguarding extremely well.
From what I've seen though, reverse needle bair covers almost everything that they can do from slightly above to pretty fair below at certain distances from the ledge. Also just fairing the ledge can give you a shot at stopping a sweet spot double jump if your throw doesn't send them far, run off fair stops shine stall double jump shenanigans. But its risky, cause if you miss you die. Once you have those 2 covered, all your left with stopping is forward b sweetspots, which you can do by waiting a sec and doing a run off fair, or just time an edgehog, although typically you won't have time to turn around so I usually go with the former.
Lemme know if I missed any i really need to improve my off the ledge game, I'm an IC main remember so I'm not used to edgeguarding extremely well.
Yessir, Mr. Goose! Haha.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I need more back air in edgeguarding, and to be more aggressive at Firefoxes I think.
Back air beats everything so it would probably be smart to learn how to do it.
I also have to remember how to camp Peach on platforms, she seems to not be good at reaching Sheik when she's ******* around on them with sewing equipment.
Back air beats everything so it would probably be smart to learn how to do it.
I also have to remember how to camp Peach on platforms, she seems to not be good at reaching Sheik when she's ******* around on them with sewing equipment.
I get *****. Vanz, Reno, and Tec0 all pretty much obliterate me with sheik. Needle and platform camping is very hard to get through.how do the tristate sheiks do against pakman? i feel like luigi does really well against sheik....
Yeah, I'm not creative at all with edgeguarding lol. I only bair, however, I rarely mess it up. Grab edge, bair, regrab, grab edge bair, regrab, repeat forever. Being invincible and edgeguarding with bair repeatedly is way too broken.
Cia
das kwl
i just needle spam luigi. it kills his approaches.
Cia
das kwl
well.. yeah. once any character manages to Bthrow/ hit sheik off the ledge, they usually take the stock. but here's what a typical match against luigi looks like.
needle, needle, needle, Ftilt, Fair, Charge Needles, Needles, needle, Ftilt, Ftilt, Fair, Charge Needles, etc.
poor luigi. i barely even need to move from the same spot. his only projectile is that lame fireball. so he has to approach. which is completely nullified by a single needle. i mean.. what's he going to do, approach from the air?? LOL
if the luigi is good and crafty, and they manage to get to close. Grab > Dthrow > Fair. and start the process all over again.
edgeguarding him is a bit tricky with all those misfires. but with good reflexes, u'll learn to just Fair him out it.
the only thing i think luigi has against sheik is his edge guarding and 0- death combos. but they almost never happen.
needle, needle, needle, Ftilt, Fair, Charge Needles, Needles, needle, Ftilt, Ftilt, Fair, Charge Needles, etc.
poor luigi. i barely even need to move from the same spot. his only projectile is that lame fireball. so he has to approach. which is completely nullified by a single needle. i mean.. what's he going to do, approach from the air?? LOL
if the luigi is good and crafty, and they manage to get to close. Grab > Dthrow > Fair. and start the process all over again.
edgeguarding him is a bit tricky with all those misfires. but with good reflexes, u'll learn to just Fair him out it.
the only thing i think luigi has against sheik is his edge guarding and 0- death combos. but they almost never happen.
Man, sheik is really gay
Hazygoose
Smash Lord
i just needle spam period.
glad these boards can be full of agreement in the right threads. you know...the sheik ones.
soap
Smash Hero
drephens luigi used to scare the **** outta me, but i figured out how to beat it. jump back....fair.
still, sidestep>shoryuken = 2good. Im scared to go for grabs alot.
and i think Reno is the best sheik in tristate. I don't wanna hurt anybody's feelings though, plus i haven't played them yet. Drephen said he was really good and that they went back and forth in friendlies.
still, sidestep>shoryuken = 2good. Im scared to go for grabs alot.
and i think Reno is the best sheik in tristate. I don't wanna hurt anybody's feelings though, plus i haven't played them yet. Drephen said he was really good and that they went back and forth in friendlies.