Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[SUNG666]

Yea I rarely dj early like that but at least its good to know that it might have saved me a couple of times

 

[Gea]

It's probably most relevant on stages like Yoshi's. But yeah, great to know.

 

[Wenbobular]

It's pretty relevant when you're sent to the corner with a character that has good horizontal

I had no idea I was in the Sheik boards

 

[Kaffei]

in this scenario is it better to double jump before or after you transform? i usually double jump with sheik then transform (because her DJ is higher), but almost everyone else seems to transform first (maybe because zelda's midair movement is better). any data on which gives more distance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-NlbzemgT0#t=3m08s [3:08]
Exactly like this.

 

[unknown522]

Save your jump. It makes it harder to edgeguard.

Otherwise it's too easy to react

 

[bubbaking]

I think it's impossible to die in the upper blastzone without suffering hitstun and/or KB of some kind, so yeah, it would definitely save someone if he DI'd perfectly into the corner.

That video illustrates perfectly why Sheik needs those DJ options or she's as good as dead anyway.

 

[Gea]

I think it's impossible to die in the upper blastzone without suffering hitstun and/or KB of some kind, so yeah, it would definitely save someone if he DI'd perfectly into the corner.

That video illustrates perfectly why Sheik needs those DJ options or she's as good as dead anyway.

It's pretty relevant when you're sent to the corner with a character that has good horizontal

I had no idea I was in the Sheik boards

It's still less relevant than one would think because jumping is not going to save you from dying off the top and unless you are directly in the corner it either means you could have DI'd better or you aren't making it back after using your DJ that early.

And the distance it saves you is way lower than you would think. It's only something like 1-2 character lengths from the blastzone if that from what I could test. So the situations where it would actually save you from blastzone death and allow you to make it back to the stage are very, very situational. Most of the time it either is not going to save you from the blastzone or you won't need it.

 

[darkatma]

So much to work on.. so little time

 

[KirbyKaze]

Can any of you tech chase to 30 and then hit a combo starter? No?

Okay you guys still suck.

<3

 

[darkatma]

yup
still suck

 

[Draxraven]

I hope this thread is good for my vids .

Hello guys, happy new year. My name is Draxraven (don't ask what it means, because i create this name when i was an English noobish ), i'm from France, I main Sheik and Fox. But I would like to improve my Sheik to become a pur Sheik player.

So There are many videos of my Sheik. I hope you could give me some advice to analyse and improve my gameplay. Spend a good time !

This set was against Qlex, a great and sympathic Ganondorf from France (pal) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2z6FXJ95vY 00:00 to 03:37 (I play Sheik)

This set was against Darko, a french Sheik/Falcon player :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vGnp-0mwk (These are pal Sheik dittos)

This is another set against Darko, unfortunately it is in black & white, i hope you will enjoy see this : (Pal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdtbnUtkWHQ

Have a good day guys !

 

[joejoe22802]

Can any of you tech chase to 30 and then hit a combo starter? No?

Okay you guys still suck.

<3

SHEIK METAGAME READ IT AND WHEEP

 

[Sweet™]

I feel so dumb...

I never realized how useful needles were aside from building damage and edgeguarding.

 

[bubbaking]

I like my grab set-ups.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Anything > grab

(c) M2K

 

[darkatma]

http://www.twitch.tv/stlbarwarz/b/354095355

4:06:28 is where me vs deku grandfinals starts
First time i've ever beaten him overall in tourney
Now 3-5 in total sets

edit: nvm don't watch, i'm pulling them off twitch and uploading on my account for easier access

 

[KirbyKaze]

I remember when I was 27-4 or something ridiculous in 2010 with Unknown522

I wasn't the bigger number T_T

 

[darkatma]

lolll as in you were 23 sets ahead or behind?
Because I am definitely behind

 

[bubbaking]

He said he was behind...

 

[darkatma]

Not everyone knows how to read >.<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugHotDl9Uw&t=2m42s
Almost a janky combo

I promise other almost cool combos if you watch the whole set

 

[Xyzz]

I'm especially loving your edgeguards in those games. Could be more consistent I guess, but if it works out, they're amazing :D
(also, where is set 2?)

 

[SonuvaBeach]

Not everyone knows how to read >.<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugHotDl9Uw&t=2m42s
Almost a janky combo

I promise other almost cool combos if you watch the whole set

Watched the whole set. I'm not great enough to criticize your neutral game yet other than missed follow ups when you hesitated or chose the wrong move.

Spacies love to go to the edge though with that firefox. By game three you started covering it with needles and that was when the momentum swung and you two stocked him. Just look for it sooner - another way to cover it at a little lower percents is with run off fair. With needles they can sometimes up-b sweetspot the needles at lower percents, fair they can't.

Just sayin because game one and two if you would have hit him once with it you had the game and I was rooting for you lol.

Keep improvin man. Oh and there were some sick edgeguards. Like the last one. The tipped upsmash was pretty too

 

[bubbaking]

I think he should have had it after he needled them but missed the follow-ups. They had the potential to be awesome edgeguards, but I feel like he kinda pulled back when he could have just gone out and faired them while they were in Firefox startup.

 

[darkatma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77xXzMlOcnQ
set 2

Yeah my edgeguarding still needs a lot of work. I botch quite a few things that I know i'd be able to hit. I avoid run off fair because if they decide to go on stage it's actually a pretty big risk and you lose positional advantage.

All the sets are on my account darkatma on youtube though.

 

[bubbaking]

Yeah, I agree with avoiding the run off fair in case they decide to go high (and then shine spike you ), but I mean after you'd successfully needled the opponent and they were forced to Firefox again with you right in front of them. That was just my take on it...

 

[Jolteon]

Man, Sheik is so good.

 

[darkatma]

My opinion is that most sheik players suck because they think they can get by without working on tech skill

Yeah, I agree with avoiding the run off fair in case they decide to go high (and then shine spike you ), but I mean after you'd successfully needled the opponent and they were forced to Firefox again with you right in front of them. That was just my take on it...

If you could point out specific circumstances that would be helpful to me probably
There were many a botched edgeguard where I should've noted his position after the needle and done something quicker.

 

[Spife]

Darkatma, do you have a list of techskill you practice/think is important?



Postphone: also I'll critique one of the vids soon.

 

[KirbyKaze]

My opinion is that most sheik players suck because they think they can get by without working on tech skill

I expand that to include a bunch of other things but yes this is a big one

 

[darkatma]

I'll try to make a list of what I think is important tonight. Gotta think about it for a bit. And then KK can correct me and tell me everything I say is wrong

 

[Twin_A]

I'm just going to hover around KK during Apex and just memorize everything he does. Hopefully I won't throw his game off by being shirtless (that was part of the agreement for allowing me to hover over him like a school girl at a Drake concert).

I liked what I saw during game 1 on BF, Atma. Although I personally would have run off and bair'd a few times when your needles left him coming up, but to each his own. I really like your style and approaches :D

 

[Kaffei]

My opinion is that most sheik players suck because they think they can get by without working on tech skill

Completely disagree with this one. IMO Tech is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper important. im just bad cus im bad lol

 

[unknown522]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77xXzMlOcnQ
set 2

Yeah my edgeguarding still needs a lot of work. I botch quite a few things that I know i'd be able to hit. I avoid run off fair because if they decide to go on stage it's actually a pretty big risk and you lose positional advantage.

All the sets are on my account darkatma on youtube though.

I can tell you what moves you could've done to make your combos better. A lot of combos were (or sometimes would've been) dropped due to poor move selection, but we either went on because of really bad DI / missed techs, or he was completely out and he would just make really really poor approach decisions.

Man, despite the 2 SDs game 2, it wasn't close. Judging off that vid, either that guy had a bad day, or he's just not a challenge

But yeah, lemme know.

 

[darkatma]

I can tell you what moves you could've done to make your combos better. A lot of combos were (or sometimes would've been) dropped due to poor move selection, but we either went on because of really bad DI / missed techs, or he was completely out and he would just make really really poor approach decisions.

Man, despite the 2 SDs game 2, it wasn't close. Judging off that vid, either that guy had a bad day, or he's just not a challenge

But yeah, lemme know.

sounds good, hit me up on aim or something (darkatmawpon), my spacies game is one of my weaker games

Pretty sure deku was having a bad day, especially by set 2 his mindset was gone. That or we're just MW and suck

 

[unknown522]

Alright

 

[darkatma]

I'm on aim all day

Get KK too, i wanna hear both of your opinions/advice

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77xXzMlOcnQ
set 2

Yeah my edgeguarding still needs a lot of work. I botch quite a few things that I know i'd be able to hit. I avoid run off fair because if they decide to go on stage it's actually a pretty big risk and you lose positional advantage.

All the sets are on my account darkatma on youtube though.

I like your use of dair in reset and pressure situations. Seems like you've picked up a couple more tricks since we played

 

[unknown522]

I'm on aim all day

Get KK too, i wanna hear both of your opinions/advice

we just left his house. He's going out

 

[Spife]

dash -> cc -> ftilt to good
also you can store needles with z = whaaaaat

omg i should make a meme where there's a pic of slow poke and he talks about stuff people already knew about!


edit because the sequence was dash to cc to fair and that doesn't make a lot of sense, BUT TO FTILT IS SO GOOD

 

[KirbyKaze]

Pools announced

Puffs and Falcos as usual