Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

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Is it possible to run off a ledge, reverse needle, cancel the needle, and grab the ledge without jumping?

 

[Teczer0]

Is it possible to run off a ledge, reverse needle, cancel the needle, and grab the ledge without jumping?

Ye s

 

[KirbyKaze]

Tips for beating DK?

SH fair > grab > d-throw

After d-throw just treat it like a non-CG Sheik ditto.

Use needles to keep him facing you because his non-bair aerials are worthless (well, uair is okay, but he needs you above him for that to work). By keeping him facing you, you can d-tilt or f-tilt him through his aerial approaches.

Aerial needle > grab is pretty good even if he's blocking because his shield is crap. It's also good against him in general.

Edgeguard with bairs, ledgehop nairs, or needles.

His d-tilt is kind of annoying so jump over it and fair > grab > d-throw, or needle > grab, or dash dance > dash attack / grab him.

 

[Terry]

What should I do when I get grabbed by dk?

 

[KirbyKaze]

If he has Giant Punch and you're at KO percent, you're technically dead because he can throw > DJ > Giant Punch and you can't do anything about it. Maybe DI randomly so he might miss. But if they're on point, you're supposed to die.

Otherwise I feel like you can DI the throw up and then DI the uairs away.

 

[Terry]

Alright, thanks. Off to beat strong bad. Heheheh

 

[KirbyKaze]

I should have known...

Anyway, M2K vs Mexican is a pretty funny set that you could watch for ideas. It pays to be able to CG at like 40% or whenever it starts to work (I dunno) and makes the combo game on DK DIing away hilarious, but you can dash attack at that point for more fun combos if you want.

My DK experience is mostly PKMvodka eons ago and some local players. It seems like a really easy MU but Strong Bad is decent so... I dunno lol. Just don't panic and do stupid crap when he has a Giant Punch. It's a surprisingly good move on its own.

 

[Strong Badam]

starts at ~39% depending on staleness and maybe port, haven't checked

if you get 3-0'd again i'll give you advice lol

 

[joejoe22802]

Hey guys back again with some questions after a great tournament today. I'm pretty confident with my on stage game against space animals but I have some holes I'd like to figure out.

1. Gimping? Whats options do they have and how do I cover them most efficiently?
2. When to CC and what to do after it? seems like a lot of the times it almost helps them get the shine.
3. How to practice getting a faster nair oos.
4. How to powersheild better.

 

[KirbyKaze]

1. b-throw immediate bair or f-tilt vs falco usually. if you jump off and he dj dairs you might die. vs fox either run off ff fj nair, immediate f-tilt or bair, or wait for an illusion/air-dodge and f-tilt/d-smash/nair/b-throw again accordingly.

2. just hold down if you're not doing anything. down smash or grab (L/R + A).

3. play a lot. focus on doing it after the shine most of the time. if they do early aerials to counter nair oos, hold your shield and shield grab them for trying it if they don't pull away (or wd back oos if they do pull away).

4. there are some tricks. you can push the trigger down just before it "clicks" as you plug in your controller. doing so prevents you from being able to lightshield, which in turn means you can't accidentally lightshield. there's also the crouch trick, where you stand w/ block immediately as you L/R and SHFFLs or lasers that are directly above you get PS'd. beyond that, just practice.

 

[gm jack]

In addition to what KK said on 1, this is a really nice area to try and pick up on patterns, because they have so few possible options, and potentially a lot of panicking going on (as nobody likes being off stage against Sheik). If you try safe options and see waht they do the first couple of times, if you see any tendencies, punish it.

Also, if they like to just dj to the edge, and aren't doing it quite perfectly, dsmashing the edge is a trick that can get an early stock. Of course, it won't work if they most other things or can do it well, but you'll surprised how sloppy people get if it goes unpunished once or twice.

 

[KirbyKaze]

if falco dis your b-throw away for some ******** reason you can jump off after him

 

[KirbyKaze]

guys we have to learn how to fair through everything like m2k. i was trying to do mainly that to beat approaches and vs fj nairs (from fox) it took some practice but i started getting it and holy moly does it make a huge difference. it's such an all-purpose anti-approach. like, wow. it's crazy.

 

[Teczer0]

Thats sorta interesting.

Never thought of that.

 

[KirbyKaze]

sh fair counters all!

 

[Teczer0]

SH rising fair I'm guessing?

 

[KirbyKaze]

just fair in general

timing depends on how close they are

 

[Strong Badam]

destroys all

I was using Sheik last night and got really frustrated cuz I suck at gimping & techchasing spacies. Gimping I am much better at than tech chasing. The annoying part is that the player I was playing against would tech in place -> spotdodge instead of tech in place -> shine... I manged to just wait out the spotdodge on some occasions but I want to be able to grab him when he's vulnerable before the spotdodge :/. Any way to learn/practice tech-chasing?

 

[gm jack]

Go for it every time, and see what's going wrong. Over time, you'll notice the animations for each of their actions better each time.

In serious games, if you realise you are going to miss the regrab (you'll notice your fails with practice, just follow the tech anyway, and wait to see what they do. You'll be surprised how well you can cover all their options, especially if they teched towards the edge.

 

[-Vocal-]

destroys all

I was using Sheik last night and got really frustrated cuz I suck at gimping & techchasing spacies. Gimping I am much better at than tech chasing. The annoying part is that the player I was playing against would tech in place -> spotdodge instead of tech in place -> shine... I manged to just wait out the spotdodge on some occasions but I want to be able to grab him when he's vulnerable before the spotdodge :/. Any way to learn/practice tech-chasing?

I've never been more attracted to a woman in my life

 

[KirbyKaze]

***** you gay

 

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***** you gay

So? That's the sexiest ***** slap I've ever seen in my life

 

[ShroudedOne]

I've never been more attracted to a cross dresser in my life

Fixed.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

 

[-Vocal-]

Fixed.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

Lies

Spoiler

I kid

 

[Kaffei]

How do I fight spacies
They're so fast lol

 

[gm jack]

Tech chase, combos (easy mode at high percents), and gimps.

 

[Kaffei]

i know that much based off watching hundreds of m2k videos
but like idk what to do when they get so aggro

Low%s i cant really do much except grab cus they crouch cancel dash attack and fair and stuff.. i think. idk lol help t.t

 

[stelzig]

^

destroys all

:D

Umm. Pivot grab or wavedash back and grab perhaps?

 

[Kaffei]

ooo ... ok ok. il try more slaps to break their approaches & wave dashing back.

BTW does slap beat fox's nair?

 

[KirbyKaze]

It crushes his nair if you space it well.

And then links to grab.

And then death combo.

Then happy dance.

Then poofstall for 2 seconds.

Then do it all again.

 

[Kaffei]

oo sounds cool =D
i really wish i could get a video up for critique
i decided to play much more of this game than bawrl cus everyone is crying about meta knight

 

[-Vocal-]

How do I fight spacies
They're so fast lol

i know that much based off watching hundreds of m2k videos
but like idk what to do when they get so aggro

Low%s i cant really do much except grab cus they crouch cancel dash attack and fair and stuff.. i think. idk lol help t.t

Sounds like you have some of the same problems I do. One thing I've already identified that helps is that you need to get good at Nair out of shield (it's what I've been working on lately, actually). Try using it and figure out where the gaps in the pressure are. M2K is really good at this too.

Speaking of M2K and Nair, I've seen him use SH Nair as an approach option, as in he'd SH Nair and then hit them with the tip of the toe on the way down. Is this a good idea or is it just a mixup when he uses it?

^

:D

Umm. Pivot grab or wavedash back and grab perhaps?

Pivot grabs exist in this game? Are they difficult?

 

[Kaffei]

i can do nair oos but not shnair oos haha my tech skill is booty

 

[ChivalRuse]

SH nair oos is so much better than plain nair oos though!

 

[-Vocal-]

i can do nair oos but not shnair oos haha my tech skill is booty

It's ok. You were a Meta Knight main, you didn't need tech skill

 

[Kaffei]

SH nair oos is so much better than plain nair oos though!

exactly! asafsdf

It's ok. You were a Meta Knight main, you didn't need tech skill

I do now

 

[stelzig]

Pivot grab is not as simple as in brawl and you can't do it at any time during a dash, but it's not all that difficult. Try grabbing just as you turn around in a dashdance and if you do a standing grab, you did it right.

 

[-Vocal-]

Pivot grab is not as simple as in brawl and you can't do it at any time during a dash, but it's not all that difficult. Try grabbing just as you turn around in a dashdance and if you do a standing grab, you did it right.

Got it. Thanks

 

[garrR]

i'm having problems against campy/defensive fox players, especially on larger stages like dreamland. what are good approach options and a general gameplan when they camp under one of the side platforms and SHDL?

 

[Nedved]

Fox shouldn't camp you -->Needles

Don't run recklessly, plays with needles, short hop and platforms.