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@Vocal: When you press B to start charging needles, you then press L/R to cancel the charge animation. You'll have the needles that you charged, but you won't be charging them anymore.
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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
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gm jack
Smash Lord
They can double jump/shine out I believe.
Van.
Smash Ace
How would you beat it as peach?yes... please stay on that ledge... go ahead...
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An edge-camping Peach must have some balls. I dislike staying on the ledge as her for too long. So much so that I'd much rather recover high in most situations. Just show that Peach why she doesn't want to be on the ledge. Exploit her lack of options.
I think he meant how would peach beat an edge camping sheik.
lol
lol
Van.
Smash Ace
^ this is correct
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Oh.
*facepalm*
I would just chuck turnips, but I don't know how effective that is. What else could Peach do? Down smash, maybe? Go down there?
*facepalm*
I would just chuck turnips, but I don't know how effective that is. What else could Peach do? Down smash, maybe? Go down there?
soap
Smash Hero
.Anand
Smash Journeyman
I think the idea is that once Sheik is stalling on the ledge, she is fully invincible and can only be stopped by taking the ledge from her. If she has a lead and is prepared to time you out, you are forced to approach (and take the ledge).
Van.
Smash Ace
^ Right. But at high percents, idt how peach could effectively steal the ledge. But if she does, then its still a djc character on the ledge.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I'm starting on a video guide on how to beat Ganon with Sheik.
Should be done soon.
Should be done soon.
TheZhuKeeper
Smash Champion
I heard... you nearly got the best of m2k.
I got into the livestream right as unknown started against m2k.
Was wondering why you let him have a chance considering you were so close. And is there any particular reason unknown does well against you (I heard he usually beats you)? Does he just know you really well? Is he just super good against Sheik?
hes not going to lose to any sheik any time soon with fox, too good at that matchup. Also ryan and david have played for so long together and ryan just always does well agasint david.
if they DI away from upthrow then you cant combo plus your animation takes a long time, (you can combo dtilt on spacies at around 65 [David correct me if im wrong], if u upthrow and they di away) otherwise dthrow is a lot better and tech chasing is relatively easy.
also under platforms upthrow is kinda good sometimes to catch them off guard, if u can get the upair follow after they land on the platform you can usually get them off stage. As you said at low % though, you wont be able to follow effectively against them (mainly falco) because he can just CC ur upair, also CC shine is like the worst thing against sheik as falco.
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Yeah, I was thinking about this some more today, and I don't think that Peach has the tools to effectively challenge a ledge camping Sheik. I mean, despite the fact that Peach is bad on the ledge, what is she really going to do? Sheik can just ledge jump aerials if she sees Peach getting close. I remember watching Amsah versus Armada at Beast, as well as in Pound 4, and whenever Amsah would take to the ledge for a while, Armada just chucked turnips. If there is a safe way for Peach to take the ledge from Sheik, I'd like to see it, but I don't think it's possible.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You heard wrong. M2K triple 4-stocked me.
Unknown also triple 4-stocks me in most of our sets 'cuz I'm really predictable so there's no real point to playing out a set with him
I got to WFs mostly by being really lucky. 'cuz I'm pretty bad at this game
Van.
Smash Ace
Well at low percents she can cc the aerial and then **** sheik,but high percents i think the strategy is perfect.
My next question is why does m2k spam that little high short hop fair thingy vs. fox at 0%?
Does it barely hit a standing fox?
Is it designed to hit fox out of his SH?
Is it auto canceled?
Can't it be crouch canceled?
Does it even knock him down?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
http://fr-ca.twitch.tv/styc/b/293111166
In this video I have a WSF set with Vwins from the last Canada tournament I went to (last weekend).
I play pretty impatiently and I've rewatched it a few times but if you wanna giggle at my incompetence and point out glaring flaws then by all means!
Match starts at 0:37:20 roughly.
So far I've determined that I need to stop full jumping to pursue and be safer when pressuring in general. I also need to judge distances better so I know when it's safe to go for slaps through floats and when not to. I'm also going to try and incorporate the 3-step down throw > f-tilt > fair (or other stuff) into my game because everyone seems to do it and it seems a lot better than what I'm currently toying with.
I also think I try to camp him when he's camping me back and I do a sloppy job with Bairs. I also dash attack into his shield a lot. Need to grab or be more patient. Probably a mix, though. Gotta find it.
In this video I have a WSF set with Vwins from the last Canada tournament I went to (last weekend).
I play pretty impatiently and I've rewatched it a few times but if you wanna giggle at my incompetence and point out glaring flaws then by all means!
Match starts at 0:37:20 roughly.
So far I've determined that I need to stop full jumping to pursue and be safer when pressuring in general. I also need to judge distances better so I know when it's safe to go for slaps through floats and when not to. I'm also going to try and incorporate the 3-step down throw > f-tilt > fair (or other stuff) into my game because everyone seems to do it and it seems a lot better than what I'm currently toying with.
I also think I try to camp him when he's camping me back and I do a sloppy job with Bairs. I also dash attack into his shield a lot. Need to grab or be more patient. Probably a mix, though. Gotta find it.
unknown522
Some guy
http://fr-ca.twitch.tv/styc/b/293111166
just showing off myself vs Vwins. the match starts roughly 1:43:40.
I played this match based on theory and very little practical experience. Hope y'all enjoy.
Also, though I win I am very open to some advice.
just showing off myself vs Vwins. the match starts roughly 1:43:40.
I played this match based on theory and very little practical experience. Hope y'all enjoy.
Also, though I win I am very open to some advice.
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Sometimes, when M2K gets hit far off the stage as Sheik, he'll transform into Zelda for a little bit, and then switch back to Sheik before using his up B. Is there any particular reason he does this? As far as I know, the stall that the down B gives doesn't seem like much, and Zelda's air mobility isn't better than Sheik's (at least I don't think it is). So I'm thinking there's another reason.
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Really? Wow. I always thought Zelda had crap air mobility. So Sheik's is that bad...
MuraRengan
Banned via Warnings
Zelda's recovery is stupid far. Not sure if it's worth switching out for though. If you do anything other than grab the ledge, Zelda's probably gonna get hit again back off because the lag on that move is dumb. Then you have to sacrifice your spawn invincibility just to turn back into sheik. I wouldn't do it.
Mr Wizzrobe
Smash Journeyman
The only time you should ever change into Zelda is to gain distance with air speed, and then change back to Sheik to recover. I find that recovering as Zelda is always a gamble. All a Fox would have to do is hog the edge and wait until you're onstage, and then either up smash or up throw > uair, since Zelda's mobility after coming out of her up-B is stupid.
You can't upthrow uair zelda, but upsmash yea.
Mr Wizzrobe
Smash Journeyman
Really? Didn't know that. Goes to show how much I play Zelda.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Great screenname
Mr Wizzrobe
Smash Journeyman
gm jack
Smash Lord
Zeldas mobility isn't that great, but she is so much floatier you can cover more distance so long as youhave sufficient vertical height.
Though her DJ is rubbish, so use your jump as sheik.
Though her DJ is rubbish, so use your jump as sheik.
Slhoka
Smash Lord
Would anyone have some advices when teaming with a Samus ?
I'm gonna team with Cyr at a tournament this weekend, and while he usually plays Falcon when we team, we'd want to try his singles main, Samus.
The problem is that usually, we use a strategy in which he's the offensive player, and I'm the backup. However, I'm not sure it'd be that great with Samus, even though he has an offensive style even with her.
So what would be you advice ? If any of you has experience in teams with a Samus, I'd be happy to hear about it !
Thanks
I'm gonna team with Cyr at a tournament this weekend, and while he usually plays Falcon when we team, we'd want to try his singles main, Samus.
The problem is that usually, we use a strategy in which he's the offensive player, and I'm the backup. However, I'm not sure it'd be that great with Samus, even though he has an offensive style even with her.
So what would be you advice ? If any of you has experience in teams with a Samus, I'd be happy to hear about it !
Thanks
That... is an interesting team combination...
I wish I can help, but the few times I teamed with a samus I went Peach/Fox =/.
My strategy I guess would be to play "Follow the leader" in a sense. If your partner is aggressive just stay close to her and punish the characters that hit her out of her aggression.
That way it would make killing an already hard to kill character even more difficult.
I wish I can help, but the few times I teamed with a samus I went Peach/Fox =/.
My strategy I guess would be to play "Follow the leader" in a sense. If your partner is aggressive just stay close to her and punish the characters that hit her out of her aggression.
That way it would make killing an already hard to kill character even more difficult.
If Samus wants to be offensive, pick bigger levels so you can run around on platforms while she gets into the fray.
Throw A LOT of needles as they don't really mess with her mobility.
As if samus wants to be aggressive, focus more on using nair, utilt and jabs. That way samus can also hit them when your opponents do catch up to you. Fair and Bair are of course good for killing. I'd avoid using uair and usmash as people above samus aren't good for her.
Just play keep away mostly and throw aerial needles.
Throw A LOT of needles as they don't really mess with her mobility.
As if samus wants to be aggressive, focus more on using nair, utilt and jabs. That way samus can also hit them when your opponents do catch up to you. Fair and Bair are of course good for killing. I'd avoid using uair and usmash as people above samus aren't good for her.
Just play keep away mostly and throw aerial needles.
curious why you didn't use any forward-bs, i don't know much bout marth but it sounds like u could combo out if it. there were times where she was floating to recover.
For edgeguards, have Samus on the stage for projectiles/utilt/fsmash and Sheik on the ledge for bair/uair/reverse fair like in almost any other singles match. Focus on your strengths and practice a few friendlies to work on your weaknesses like recovery and getting back momentum. Good luck with that team.
unknown522
Some guy
darkatma
Smash Hero
Are you trying to walljump along FD's walls? Because Sheik might not have the aerial mobility for lower down on the wall. Her walljump should work exactly the same as YL's: just hold towards the wall, and as long as you're touching it you should be able to walljump off.
Also guys, I just dug up a thread I made back in 2007 LOL. Don't bump, but i've noted the only person who really uses this is M2k.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=95823
Needles on ground = shieldgrabs!
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How is the Sheik vs Peach matchup in PAL?