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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
- Start date
A New England Winter
Smash Lord
Can someone point me over to some frame data? I wish to look up some stuff on Jab and a few other things.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
So i did solid this weekend im happy with it.
Got 4th in singles and i felt i could have gotten 2nd overall but i got slightly outplayed and **** happens no johns. Col bol of course won the whole thing.
Me and seibrik doubles sheik/ sheik puff got 3rd in teams.
My training must continue!
Got 4th in singles and i felt i could have gotten 2nd overall but i got slightly outplayed and **** happens no johns. Col bol of course won the whole thing.
Me and seibrik doubles sheik/ sheik puff got 3rd in teams.
My training must continue!
Check the first post. There are a few threads on frame data there.
nicaboy - =D
Nice
Twin_A
Smash Champion
Woooo! Go Sheiks! Number one!!!!
/over zealous little league fan cries
/over zealous little league fan cries
soap
Smash Hero
^ Down tilt
stupid bushy tail
stupid bushy tail
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
space your aerials *****
hey kirbykaze, this is the sheik player you met at ROM 3 who gave me advice about the sheik vs marth matchup, specifically, about using sh nair against dtilt and retreating fairs. You were playing niko (marth player from tristate) in friendlies and then we played some friendlies too. BTW good **** at ROM 3.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
oh sick haha i remember you
yeah fox sheik is like
low percent - space aerials, grab, u-tilt is okay if they're above you, f-tilt is okay if they're above you and in front ('cuz it "combos" to grab)
mid percent (30+) - pretty much everything above except you can dash attack and f-tilt openings / lag if you feel like it
high percent (???) - same stuff, but basically you can jab to force techs at some point (maybe like 120?) and you can d-throw d-smash if they di the throw anywhere BUT away
gimps are like
b-throw bair
b-throw dash sh nair and then fast fall
b-throw dash off dj nair
and then stuff with f-tilt, needles, and d-smash can be good depending on what they're into
fox is hardddddddddddddd
sometimes
yeah fox sheik is like
low percent - space aerials, grab, u-tilt is okay if they're above you, f-tilt is okay if they're above you and in front ('cuz it "combos" to grab)
mid percent (30+) - pretty much everything above except you can dash attack and f-tilt openings / lag if you feel like it
high percent (???) - same stuff, but basically you can jab to force techs at some point (maybe like 120?) and you can d-throw d-smash if they di the throw anywhere BUT away
gimps are like
b-throw bair
b-throw dash sh nair and then fast fall
b-throw dash off dj nair
and then stuff with f-tilt, needles, and d-smash can be good depending on what they're into
fox is hardddddddddddddd
sometimes
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I think the fox can also CC->dash->JC grab the ftilt at 30%
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
that's why i specified lag / openings
'cuz then he can't true cc
and asdis down
and falls over
and if he ground techs they're at neutral iirc so he can't follow
don't f-tilt a crouching fox lolololol
'cuz then he can't true cc
and asdis down
and falls over
and if he ground techs they're at neutral iirc so he can't follow
don't f-tilt a crouching fox lolololol
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
What's the worst that could happen?
Winston
Smash Master
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Yes, he can do that until 85% actually. He can also just up-smash from the CC, assuming the Sheik doesn't have nigh phantom-hit spacing. In that case he can running up-smash. Lol.
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For some reason i thought we were talking about marth. gogo 2am posts!
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Now I'm just confused.
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nevermind.
Another question for you guys...
So I was playing a marth a while ago and sometimes if the marth was in air and I knew he was a certain distance away from me I just crouched instead of putting up my shield in order to avoid the move and the inevitable shield stun I would have to deal with had I done so.
Is this generally a good idea or do the marths you play try to land with a spaced aerial that forces you into your shield?
Also, has anyone noticed that you are right next to marth and he jabs that you can crouch to avoid the move all together!
Does this also work for any of marth's other moves in his moveset?
So I was playing a marth a while ago and sometimes if the marth was in air and I knew he was a certain distance away from me I just crouched instead of putting up my shield in order to avoid the move and the inevitable shield stun I would have to deal with had I done so.
Is this generally a good idea or do the marths you play try to land with a spaced aerial that forces you into your shield?
Also, has anyone noticed that you are right next to marth and he jabs that you can crouch to avoid the move all together!
Does this also work for any of marth's other moves in his moveset?
soap
Smash Hero
fox dtilt has more range. and it knocks over quicker. its basically a better move I think. More foxes need to use it
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
ya at super duper close range a lot of marth's stuff blindspots
ducking to evade marth's nonsense at certain ranges can be good
in general you don't wanna really block vs marth so much as you want to just move around and be evasive and make him do something
you kind of pull a fox and wait for stuff and then punish
only you're better at it kind of because sheik has more range than fox
i'm not sure fox d-tilt is better than sheik d-tilt but yeah in a cc war fox can be like a good 15% higher than sheik and still win 'cuz his d-tilt power is like ridiculous comparatively and tacks on percent so don't challenge him to a cc d-tilt war lololol
most characters will **** sheik in a cc war her moves are so weak
ducking to evade marth's nonsense at certain ranges can be good
in general you don't wanna really block vs marth so much as you want to just move around and be evasive and make him do something
you kind of pull a fox and wait for stuff and then punish
only you're better at it kind of because sheik has more range than fox
i'm not sure fox d-tilt is better than sheik d-tilt but yeah in a cc war fox can be like a good 15% higher than sheik and still win 'cuz his d-tilt power is like ridiculous comparatively and tacks on percent so don't challenge him to a cc d-tilt war lololol
most characters will **** sheik in a cc war her moves are so weak
ZodiakLucien
Smash Ace
against marth use dtilt, it is amazing in that match up
soap
Smash Hero
cosigned .
dtilt on sheik is too fun with fox ^_^
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
you're a *****
john!
Smash Hero
^ get owned by teczero
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
let's talk about puff or ics
these matchups are gay and should be addressed
note: i said gay, nothing about who wins
a matchup can be gay even if it's in your favour
even when fox ***** puff it was still gay
so talk about strats or w/e
i'm having issues vs puff on fod mainly
plats **** with my sh aerials
i could camp it out i guess
but i'd rather get input from your niqqas
these matchups are gay and should be addressed
note: i said gay, nothing about who wins
a matchup can be gay even if it's in your favour
even when fox ***** puff it was still gay
so talk about strats or w/e
i'm having issues vs puff on fod mainly
plats **** with my sh aerials
i could camp it out i guess
but i'd rather get input from your niqqas
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Can Sheik even do anything about Puff ducking? Lol.
soap
Smash Hero
fairs, needles, dsmash, dtilt.
Try running up to them. stop like you're about to dsmash, wait split second for a shield, then grab
Try running up to them. stop like you're about to dsmash, wait split second for a shield, then grab
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
to make this feint more convincing, try wding down in front of them just outside their shield grab range
i feel directly attacking the duck is a good way to like lose
but then not attacking the duck lets her gain a lot of ground control easily which is also dumb so i think feinting and convincing them they need to do nonsense like block may be worth looking into
currently i space fair when i feel the need to attack her duck but i wind up trading with f-smashes on their part sometimes which is sort of lame but i'm going to chalk that up to being predictable / badly spaced for now
i don't really like d-tilt because of cc grab. they grab my leg and i feel upset about it. i've been d-smashing more and i think i like it more than i used to. i don't like needles because they feel more committal than the others (not sure if they are, but they feel like a bigger investment) and you need to be SUPER close for them to combo to grab, which is super lame.
usually i don't attack her duck but lately i feel this compelling desire to challenge it in friendlies
i feel directly attacking the duck is a good way to like lose
but then not attacking the duck lets her gain a lot of ground control easily which is also dumb so i think feinting and convincing them they need to do nonsense like block may be worth looking into
currently i space fair when i feel the need to attack her duck but i wind up trading with f-smashes on their part sometimes which is sort of lame but i'm going to chalk that up to being predictable / badly spaced for now
i don't really like d-tilt because of cc grab. they grab my leg and i feel upset about it. i've been d-smashing more and i think i like it more than i used to. i don't like needles because they feel more committal than the others (not sure if they are, but they feel like a bigger investment) and you need to be SUPER close for them to combo to grab, which is super lame.
usually i don't attack her duck but lately i feel this compelling desire to challenge it in friendlies
soap
Smash Hero
you don't follow the needle....u just space another aerial or fake an approach.
for fsmash, just sh, drift back and don't do the move, then grab the whiff
I remember Idea fsmashing my fairs like 3 years ago lol
he did really good in michigan a couple weeks ago
for fsmash, just sh, drift back and don't do the move, then grab the whiff
I remember Idea fsmashing my fairs like 3 years ago lol
he did really good in michigan a couple weeks ago
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
i suppose i don't empty hop enough
i just have this feeling that if i'm needling and aren't going to be able to follow it anyway i'd rather then save my needles and then fair or something and get the extra damage
i just have this feeling that if i'm needling and aren't going to be able to follow it anyway i'd rather then save my needles and then fair or something and get the extra damage
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
i've modified my game to incorporate more spacing outside her duck range but i want to experiment more with what i can actively do about the duck
standing away from them is standard, same with ducking
but i want to know what else we can do
standing away from them is standard, same with ducking
but i want to know what else we can do
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
That's like carrying around a huge sign that says "rest me out of shield."
Is that bad?That's like carrying around a huge sign that says "rest me out of shield."
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
no dying to her rest in a flurry of spinny kicks makes you manly *****