Life
Smash Hero
Incom got into the /hope3 bracket?
Wedge: careful what you wish for ^.^
Wedge: careful what you wish for ^.^
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WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Game 1 vs. Ally I took him to last stock but by the time I took his second stock I was already at like 160 and he dtilted me out of spring.
Game 2 I cp'd him to FD and had the lead for awhile on him until on our second stock his bair traded with my fsmash and we both died. I wasn't able to get the lead back and got utilted at 162.
I then had to play keitaro in losers- whom I already had played the previous day in pools. I'll save you the reading and just link everyone to the youtube video when it's up.
**** chibo and cheese making brackets.
Game 2 I cp'd him to FD and had the lead for awhile on him until on our second stock his bair traded with my fsmash and we both died. I wasn't able to get the lead back and got utilted at 162.
I then had to play keitaro in losers- whom I already had played the previous day in pools. I'll save you the reading and just link everyone to the youtube video when it's up.
**** chibo and cheese making brackets.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Nah son. I banned ps2 in all of my sets besides FD in a friendly doubles mm.
Gull and I did double sonic for a dollar vs kai and izumi lmao.
Gull and I did double sonic for a dollar vs kai and izumi lmao.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
I've never practiced on the stage because it's almost never legal in NJ/NY so I didn't want to get ***** by a stage I don't know how to abuse.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
I won the game against keitaro that I cp'd FD for today tho :x I like that stage vs falco.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
I had to fight through two rounds of 6-8-man-top-three-get-out pools son. I got off on kids. I saw some of those cot free *** 5 man top 3 get out pools...
Your argument is invalid
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Maybe he'd like to hear that my pool was Shugo, Keitaro, Kirin, only one random, and I. And he should probably consider he'd get ***** by kirin's link just like he did legan's.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
no offense, and I know you're a good player and all, but you really do need to learn to get over yourself. I didn't see Wedge showboating his making it out of pools or whatever and you're just goin' in. He was just telling us what went down for him.
I'm not exactly defending anybody here, but seeing your attitude still ticks me off sometimes. Especially when I know you're not trolling and you're serious about what you say.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
I see nothing wrong with any one of those three.
Except Wii U maybe. But that's just because the lack of GC ports has me sadface for Brawl or Smash 4.
Except Wii U maybe. But that's just because the lack of GC ports has me sadface for Brawl or Smash 4.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Never!! I-I love the positioning of the buttons on the GC. ;; .... though Classic will suffice if I have absolutely no choice. I'll manage either way.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Playing people at a national with wiichuck is so much ****ing fun. People never expect you to be good. I love it.
Oh, no one quote this, but seagull and I had so many hilarious moments today joking about why no one likes kidgoggles. This is why joebby is so godlike.
Oh, no one quote this, but seagull and I had so many hilarious moments today joking about why no one likes kidgoggles. This is why joebby is so godlike.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Belated 20th Birthday Comic
[COLLAPSE="Happy Birthday Sonic!"]
[/COLLAPSE]
If this isn't inspiration to continue playing the blue blur and racing to win, I don't know what is.
[COLLAPSE="Happy Birthday Sonic!"]
If this isn't inspiration to continue playing the blue blur and racing to win, I don't know what is.
Kinzer
Mammy
This is.
Eh but nah seriously, Espy, you happen to be reading this bro? When you get a chance, hit me up on AIM, or at least be online so I can talk to you.
'Lest anyone else can give me some tips on how to approach. I'm not saying the opponent has to play campy, but defensively. Espy just so happens to be the first person that comes to my mind when I think "best aggressive Sonic."
Eh but nah seriously, Espy, you happen to be reading this bro? When you get a chance, hit me up on AIM, or at least be online so I can talk to you.
'Lest anyone else can give me some tips on how to approach. I'm not saying the opponent has to play campy, but defensively. Espy just so happens to be the first person that comes to my mind when I think "best aggressive Sonic."
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Well, I may not be the "best" aggressive Sonic, but I do play a similar style in that I go aggro if you have any questions on approaching. I think I'm pretty valid when it comes to tips on that stuff!
Rushing in blindly obviously doesn't work, but I find that pressure and knowing your opponent's priorities on moves and projectiles will take you a long ways. It is a bit peculiar though. Once you get IN on someone? Don't rush them down. Stay in their face but don't be the one to throw out the attacks non-stop least you get punished for them all.
For example, I'm playing against Meta Knight. I'll stay right up close and personal. What are they gonna do? Tornado, DTilt, or DAir camp me. For DAir camping? Passive-aggressive aggro. Get your UAirs in inbetween attacks. I'm still an avid believer in SH-UAir OoS as a punishing tool, especially when you can space with it. What I like most out of it is that in an aggressive situation? It's forcing them into the air, and you're the one in control on the ground to read them into a grab, a Smash, or whatever it is you gotta do.
Long story short, I find for an aggro Sonic approach that works? Get in on your opponent. But once you do? Select your attacks wisely and don't go throwing stuff out there. ASC approach against certain characters is obviously good. Myself? I find a good edgeguarding tool or at least a nice pressure factor is spinshot to spring off stage. Get that extra damage in and gimp other characters if needed be. And against Snake at least? The best set-up I have for getting good stocks or damage at least, is once I get them off the stage? FTilt beats out most of anything Snake can throw at you when recovering lower (typically at low percents), and it forces a vulnerable cypher recovery. Easy BAir/NAir pickings. Or footstool their C4 recovery and if they're low enough, let them suffer. If they're footstool'd higher? BAir or whatever.
When your opponent is playing defensively? That's the best time in which you wanna pick your fights, like FAir/UAir inbetween the cooldown of your opponent's attacks, or even just grabbing them if their defensive involves shielding to punish. In the end, not much has changed for us asides how diverse we become with our mix-ups to force dodges, stay in the shield, or attack us as we punish inbetween moves.
If you had anything specific though, for a character or whatever, lemme know! My AIM is hikari to yamii, though I typically am around this place obviously. PM, wall post, whatever you wanna do. Anyway, I don't know how helpful or indepth that is, but it's hard to when being a "good aggressive Sonic" fluctuates with your opponent's playing style. Ultimately, I find that passive aggressive style is the best one for Sonic, imo.
[EDIT]
... I think I repeated myself once during that. Sorry. Hahah. tired johns all night.
[EDIT #2]
....oooorrrr a few times... LOL
Rushing in blindly obviously doesn't work, but I find that pressure and knowing your opponent's priorities on moves and projectiles will take you a long ways. It is a bit peculiar though. Once you get IN on someone? Don't rush them down. Stay in their face but don't be the one to throw out the attacks non-stop least you get punished for them all.
For example, I'm playing against Meta Knight. I'll stay right up close and personal. What are they gonna do? Tornado, DTilt, or DAir camp me. For DAir camping? Passive-aggressive aggro. Get your UAirs in inbetween attacks. I'm still an avid believer in SH-UAir OoS as a punishing tool, especially when you can space with it. What I like most out of it is that in an aggressive situation? It's forcing them into the air, and you're the one in control on the ground to read them into a grab, a Smash, or whatever it is you gotta do.
Long story short, I find for an aggro Sonic approach that works? Get in on your opponent. But once you do? Select your attacks wisely and don't go throwing stuff out there. ASC approach against certain characters is obviously good. Myself? I find a good edgeguarding tool or at least a nice pressure factor is spinshot to spring off stage. Get that extra damage in and gimp other characters if needed be. And against Snake at least? The best set-up I have for getting good stocks or damage at least, is once I get them off the stage? FTilt beats out most of anything Snake can throw at you when recovering lower (typically at low percents), and it forces a vulnerable cypher recovery. Easy BAir/NAir pickings. Or footstool their C4 recovery and if they're low enough, let them suffer. If they're footstool'd higher? BAir or whatever.
When your opponent is playing defensively? That's the best time in which you wanna pick your fights, like FAir/UAir inbetween the cooldown of your opponent's attacks, or even just grabbing them if their defensive involves shielding to punish. In the end, not much has changed for us asides how diverse we become with our mix-ups to force dodges, stay in the shield, or attack us as we punish inbetween moves.
If you had anything specific though, for a character or whatever, lemme know! My AIM is hikari to yamii, though I typically am around this place obviously. PM, wall post, whatever you wanna do. Anyway, I don't know how helpful or indepth that is, but it's hard to when being a "good aggressive Sonic" fluctuates with your opponent's playing style. Ultimately, I find that passive aggressive style is the best one for Sonic, imo.
[EDIT]
... I think I repeated myself once during that. Sorry. Hahah. tired johns all night.
[EDIT #2]
....oooorrrr a few times... LOL
Kinzer
Mammy
Nah it's 'kay.
Fluctuates between opponents' playstyles and opponents? Got it. I'll come back if I'm not seeing progress, can't figure out what to do from there (still?), or to let you know I'm doing okay thanks to that.
I don't wanna pay attention though, I jus wanna **** people hard, with no-
... Nevermind. Not only would that be in bad taste, but I'm playing Sonic. No room for auto-pilot.
Fluctuates between opponents' playstyles and opponents? Got it. I'll come back if I'm not seeing progress, can't figure out what to do from there (still?), or to let you know I'm doing okay thanks to that.
I don't wanna pay attention though, I jus wanna **** people hard, with no-
... Nevermind. Not only would that be in bad taste, but I'm playing Sonic. No room for auto-pilot.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
No pun intended, but it's also about putting your own "spin" on things. I'll list off a few characters now and bullet-point what you can do as an aggro Sonic against the defensive/campy/aggro variations. Won't get everything, but still. From there? It's all up to you to read, punish, and know what your opponent's properties are with their character.
• Meta Knight - DAir Camping (UAir inbetween, NAir/FAir work as well), Tornado (FSmash through tornado or shield and punish into FSmash/Grab/FTilt), DTilt (surprisingly? ASC into them. MK's like to auto-pilot into DTilt spam when up close it seems like, and for good reason, but ASC's worked a lot for me), Sharking (FSmash. it's your harpoon that goes through the floor against a sharking MK somewhat. otherwise just stay away until they're forced to come up. on an aggro approach though if they're at kill percent? yeah fish for the FSmash and harpoon the shark lol; X did it)
• Snake - Grenades (pick them up and throw them back at him. it forces the shield to go up or a spot-dodge and if the Snake hasn't prepared enough? they're eating a dash attack to pop them into the air. automatically? A BAD position for Snake to be in. Or a grab. or whatever you wanna do), FTilt (FTilt or UAir OoS), UTilt (grab if you powershielded)
• Falco - Laser (Spin Dash. you're going right beneath them most of the time, but speaking of Spin Dash/charge?), BAir (DO NOT RISE UP OUT OF IMPULSE AFTER A FAILED SPIN DASH OR SPIN CHARGE. You're going to eat a BAir from most characters that jump high enough anyway), Jab (spring and reset the situation. you're not gonna win when Falco jabs you once and most likely to a grab)
• Marth - Anything Marth does (FAir is your BEST tool in this match-up. To me, it's the reason why Sonic vs. Marth is 55-45 in Marth's favor only. you can utilize this one inbetween most if not all of Marth's attacks), Dancing Blade (grab or dash attack), Marth's edgeguard game of FAir/BAir (SPRING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SPRING AND RECOVER HIGH), Grab (typically an FThrow from Marth, but in most cases? I've been able to FAir them right back before they can whip out a FAir of their own. typically at low percents)
• Diddy - Bananas (Spin Dash/Spin Charge/ASC, the third option being the best one imo. the fact that dash attack makes it so easy to utilize them for yourself without screwing up is a bonus. add bananas to your aggro game. with the way Sonic's attacks work, you can use them to your advantage. if you're not confident in your single nanner lock, that is. lol)
The list just keeps going down, but knowledge of your opponent's character and the player's playstyle? Has to properly sync with your mix-ups as a Sonic player in order to keep a level playing field.
PAY ATTENTION. auto-pilot got me intentionally ***** by Seibrik at WHOBO 3 to see what a defensive MK would do to a blind aggro Sonic.
• Meta Knight - DAir Camping (UAir inbetween, NAir/FAir work as well), Tornado (FSmash through tornado or shield and punish into FSmash/Grab/FTilt), DTilt (surprisingly? ASC into them. MK's like to auto-pilot into DTilt spam when up close it seems like, and for good reason, but ASC's worked a lot for me), Sharking (FSmash. it's your harpoon that goes through the floor against a sharking MK somewhat. otherwise just stay away until they're forced to come up. on an aggro approach though if they're at kill percent? yeah fish for the FSmash and harpoon the shark lol; X did it)
• Snake - Grenades (pick them up and throw them back at him. it forces the shield to go up or a spot-dodge and if the Snake hasn't prepared enough? they're eating a dash attack to pop them into the air. automatically? A BAD position for Snake to be in. Or a grab. or whatever you wanna do), FTilt (FTilt or UAir OoS), UTilt (grab if you powershielded)
• Falco - Laser (Spin Dash. you're going right beneath them most of the time, but speaking of Spin Dash/charge?), BAir (DO NOT RISE UP OUT OF IMPULSE AFTER A FAILED SPIN DASH OR SPIN CHARGE. You're going to eat a BAir from most characters that jump high enough anyway), Jab (spring and reset the situation. you're not gonna win when Falco jabs you once and most likely to a grab)
• Marth - Anything Marth does (FAir is your BEST tool in this match-up. To me, it's the reason why Sonic vs. Marth is 55-45 in Marth's favor only. you can utilize this one inbetween most if not all of Marth's attacks), Dancing Blade (grab or dash attack), Marth's edgeguard game of FAir/BAir (SPRING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SPRING AND RECOVER HIGH), Grab (typically an FThrow from Marth, but in most cases? I've been able to FAir them right back before they can whip out a FAir of their own. typically at low percents)
• Diddy - Bananas (Spin Dash/Spin Charge/ASC, the third option being the best one imo. the fact that dash attack makes it so easy to utilize them for yourself without screwing up is a bonus. add bananas to your aggro game. with the way Sonic's attacks work, you can use them to your advantage. if you're not confident in your single nanner lock, that is. lol)
The list just keeps going down, but knowledge of your opponent's character and the player's playstyle? Has to properly sync with your mix-ups as a Sonic player in order to keep a level playing field.
PAY ATTENTION. auto-pilot got me intentionally ***** by Seibrik at WHOBO 3 to see what a defensive MK would do to a blind aggro Sonic.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Don't assume you'll go beneath it unless he shdls. Against keitaro he'd shdl and then shoot 2 lasers on the ground to stop my spindash approach and it worked sooooo well. It was impossible to approach with spindash.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
Do what DeLux told me, "When you play friendlies or what have you, don't play to win, play to lose." He has a catchphrase or whatever you would call it and it's called "Advancing the metagame one loss at a time." That doesn't mean sandbag; if there is something you're looking to learn about yourself or a particular match-up, do things that you wouldn't normally do and learn the nuances of said ideas. I when I would practice on wifi, I would do nothing but approach because I needed to work on approaching. I needed to learn how to approach and how to mix-up my approaches, which is something that Orion called me on. All I did was dash > shield or dash > grab and that becomes hella easy to beat once the opponent catches on. So I played matches without shielding and without grabbing to get myself out of the habit of doing it so much. Weird? Yes. But it helped me out some.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Blame Ally, not me. I did nothing wrong.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Every time I blame Ally I get told it's somehow my fault.
And it isn't really your fault for the brackets, but pools were stupid as well. And I don't just mean the Ally sandbagging situation.
And it isn't really your fault for the brackets, but pools were stupid as well. And I don't just mean the Ally sandbagging situation.
Life
Smash Hero
Chibo with the namesearch hard reads
And Allly's wolf is cool
And Allly's wolf is cool
Who was in your pools?
I only remember the three I didn't beat, Espy Fogo and RH.
Yes, His only challenge was Redhalberd and Fogo.
SonicBOOM XS
Smash Apprentice
Soo, how'd the overall event go for all of you Sonic players, then?
AND WHO WON?
AND WHO WON?
B_AWAL
Smash Master
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SMH@ ppl who dont know Sonic's greatness
SMH@ ppl who dont know Sonic's greatness
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
This must be some sorta sick joke.-________________-
SMH@ ppl who dont know Sonic's greatness
If you got 3rd seed in your pool, you barely made it out right? So aren't you supposed to play a top seed anyway? It seems logical to me that you would be facing one of the top 10 players early because you were bottom half of the people that made it out of pools right?
OMG SO LUCKY, I HAD TO PLAY NIKE!!
Whobo pools were ridiculous though. Each pools had 8-11 players and only top 3 got out I think.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Infinity, Player-4, Flamewave (somethingsomething, a Lucario player), Seibrik, Broly, Konfucious, Mike-2, and then a couple of random players. Unless my memory is terrible and I missed someone.
I lost to Infinity (0-2), Seibrik (1-2), and Flamewave (1-2). There were 10 or 11 people in my pool though that much is certain. MK/Top Tier infested for the most part save for Konfucious who used Mario on me.
I'm not saying my pool was any harder then anyone else's or anything, but that's what I got. And yeah, Tesh. Only the top 3 made it out. Broly and I had tied in wins of sets, but head to head I had 2-0'd him (KillLock practice had me 100% prepared for Marth) so I took the 3rd Seed.
You had a much harder pool than I did though, seriously. I actually would have gotten out if I had played my best (and thats saying something). But then again I'm sure by that time my entire pool must have been tired, so no one was playing great anyway.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Well, I guess the real test is about to begin. Genesis 2 will have me beasting my way through 3 rounds of pools, all of which COULD be death pools.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
Brace yourself, incoming real talk from KID
People arent going to get better unless they get called out for being bad. I act a certain way around here because I know im better than most of the people out here. but you should check me at marvel tourneys. im still in the process of getting better at that game, so im much more humble (not completely tho, lol) and I get called out constantly. And I get embarrassed alot. But im not going to get better if people coddle me and act like 'oh wow you got 3rd place in a 5 man pool? thats great! it doesnt matter if you went 2 and 0 in bracket, youre still awesome!' that doesnt inspire people or make them want to get better. It fosters a complacent mindset. you gotta keep it real with people. or else things wont improve.
thats what all the other blue characters in this game are for, you can go auto pilot with lucario, falco, mk, or DDD anytime you want.... Nevermind. Not only would that be in bad taste, but I'm playing Sonic. No room for auto-pilot.
grrrrrrr... makes me rage. I should have beaten seibrik...PAY ATTENTION. auto-pilot got me intentionally ***** by Seibrik at WHOBO 3 to see what a defensive MK would do to a blind aggro Sonic.
chibo actually did you a FAVOR by putting you up against an autolose like that, so youd have an excuse, other wise, you would have had to deal with losing to a jigglypuff player first round instead of the best player on the continent.
see that? thats actually a worthwhile accomplishment. double digit pools is some ole bullshiz. props to you for handling it like a boss.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
I only got 33rd at WHOBO 3, and I still got praise for how I did and surprised people. The support from home and Infinity's words when facing him in pools? That "coddling" as you call it, gave me the strength I needed to improve and not miss a beat in close matches with Illmatic and Logic. Those were the games that either one of us could have won but I just wasn't entirely ready yet.
Maybe it's different for some people, but you can be real with someone without the discouraging talk of them being absolute booty or something. If that player is sticking around? It's always good to leave them with the truth, but to look on the bright side of things to leave them with SOME speck of light to look forward to. If I did absolutely godawful, I'd want people to be honest, but for every bad aspect of you as a player? There's ALWAYS something good to note. I want what I'm doing right to be known, so I can make what I'm doing wrong be on that level.
All I'm saying is that rather then just leaving it at a simple "you made it out? wow you musta had it easy" or something, or constantly saying how good you are, stick to letting your actions speak for you and try the encouraging route as well.
Example,
X player has a few good moments but ultimately falls short of his goals. Y player observes this or hears about it. A simple "Hey, you made it out of pools with some serious competition. That counts for something, doesn't it? You're regional/national material in the making, you're just not ready to WIN yet." And from there, with that kind of encouragement? They know they did "bad" persay, but it's a silver lining that keeps players going if they're treated that way rather then shut down by nothing but trash talk of "you're *** at this".
Different strokes for different blokes in how to help people improve, but that's me, really.
Appreciate the props regardless.
Maybe it's different for some people, but you can be real with someone without the discouraging talk of them being absolute booty or something. If that player is sticking around? It's always good to leave them with the truth, but to look on the bright side of things to leave them with SOME speck of light to look forward to. If I did absolutely godawful, I'd want people to be honest, but for every bad aspect of you as a player? There's ALWAYS something good to note. I want what I'm doing right to be known, so I can make what I'm doing wrong be on that level.
All I'm saying is that rather then just leaving it at a simple "you made it out? wow you musta had it easy" or something, or constantly saying how good you are, stick to letting your actions speak for you and try the encouraging route as well.
Example,
X player has a few good moments but ultimately falls short of his goals. Y player observes this or hears about it. A simple "Hey, you made it out of pools with some serious competition. That counts for something, doesn't it? You're regional/national material in the making, you're just not ready to WIN yet." And from there, with that kind of encouragement? They know they did "bad" persay, but it's a silver lining that keeps players going if they're treated that way rather then shut down by nothing but trash talk of "you're *** at this".
Different strokes for different blokes in how to help people improve, but that's me, really.
Appreciate the props regardless.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
You fool!!!