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[KevinM]

Reason enough for me to focus on someone scummy today

 

[M.K]

D2 wagon to name a few reasons he can stay.

Reason enough for me to focus on someone scummy today

Oh for ****'s sake, Kevin.
It does not help town in the least bit by being facetious or smart-allecky with your reasoning. I don't understand why we continue to deal with nonsensical reasoning like this.
Kevin, I would like you to please explain your position. Yes, there was a wagon D2, but how did that impact your thinking based on the case against Macman? And why did you answer when question was directed towards Marshy? Likewise, do you feel that wagons which don't terminate in a lynch are methods of clearing people? On what basis does this argument even build itself upon?

I think we should just stop speculating on my role >_>, you're all just creating a bunch of WIFOM scenarios with me in the midst of it.

Like, this doesn't make sense to me. We need to speculate, why are you trying to inhibit this? In my eyes, the above quote is an example of you telling people to look elsewhere even though there is a solid path. There have been plenty others who have received the same levels of speculation, but you're the only one going "omg guys, stoppppppp".

I'd like to hear more from Xiivi as well. His D1 Miller claim has allowed him to lay low, but now it's time to step it up and speak. The weirdest thing against Xiivi I have now is that little tirade he went on D2 about how he has lost interest in the game, and then not two posts later, says he is rejuvenated. >_>

@Xonar, Boba Fett. Pretty much the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

Going back and re-reading. I'll post things of interest as I see them.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I think I want either a Macman or a KevinM lynch today, with Macman taking priority.

@Macman
The case on you is the same as it was D2. Refute it, and show us a better target if you want to live.

@KevinM
Really man? Really?

People who I want to hear more from:
Frozen, Xivii, and Jungle.

Questions for said people:

What do you think of Macman?
What do you think of KevinM?
Is there anyone else you find suspicious?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

nick,
are yu seriously implying that I didn't already refute your case on d2?

i mean, this is pretty pointless to talk about but I can't believe people can be this dense. like honestly?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Um... yeah. And I'm not the only one who thinks this. Gheb and Chaco do agree with me.

 

[KevinM]

I'm not telling you to stop delving into my play at all MK, I'm saying stop using pointless speculation about my role from a now CONFIRMED mafia member whom basically baited you guys.

But hey keep being worthless.

Lynch Pool
Xiivi
MK


Nich you haven't done much besides tunnel, you've granted us one clear, and the abilty to know there isn't a roleblock but you also need to actually do something besides try SO SOO hard to be right.

Change your opinions when evidence presents itself.

Meta your entire case is garbage and you have lurked so hard.

 

[Xiivi]

no, I'm pretty sure my role PM hasn't changed

still town

let's lynch Kevin for distracting us from Ronike lynch vote: Kevin

marshy/macman/meta/gheb all need to be watched

frozen/chaco/nick/xonar/jungle = townie

this game is so non-interesting, let's just lynch kevin and get rid of all the noise he keeps putting in here #607 <--awful not townKevin & marshy needs to die if Kev flips scum too for saying both roniketown & kevintown :/

ramblerambleramble Kev/Marsh/Mac need to not be followed & frozen/jungle vote more please

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ehh
no idea where you guys' head is at

chaco i'm not scum. Really wanna get past this crap

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Meta your entire case is garbage and you have lurked so hard.

If it's garbage why don't you just answer it anyways? Stop being useless

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i changed my mind on ronike later. yeah lets lynch kevin and deprive scum of all accountability even tho im p sure theres a vig. more later just wanted to hit that terrible point real quick

 

[KevinM]

I'd recommend not but I'll claim if it becomes neccesary.

 

[Steel]

"This space station is the ultimate power in the universe!"

21st Vote Count

Meta-Kirby (1) - Marshy

KevinM (1) - Xiivi

Not Voting (10) - KevinM, frozenflame751, Scumfever, Gheb_01, Chaco, Macman, Nicholas1024, Xiivi, Xonar, Meta-Kirby

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Xiivi, are you sure that Kevin is the best play toDay? We don't know for sure if Ronike was telling the truth about him. Even if he was telling the truth we get an indy at best. Him flipping indy would give us almost no info.

FoS Marshy for ignoring two requests to explain why Macman is "def def town". Would be also nice if you'd elaborate on why you pick MKirby.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Steel

Has Frozenflame responded to the prod? He has not posted since the 21st.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

rereading again... how the hell do people have frozen/brofevah/meta kirby as town? and suspecting macman over them...its like dudes are going out of their way to overthink things **** blows my mind. def down to wagon any of these useless lurkers

286/407 = scummeta kirby specially the latter

gheb from memory i dont think ronike would bus macman. ill reconsider this when i continue rereading and see when ronike voted him

more later

 

[Nicholas1024]

I think Ronike knew his death was going to happen by the end of today at the latest. (As he knew I'd be either Paranoid or Sane, and sane is much more likely considering my character.) So, I think under these circumstances, a bus is possible. If ronike died, it would give Macman GG points, whilst if Macman died, it might prolong Ronike's life somewhat due to considerations of a Framer.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yu didnt answer any of this^

vote: cacti

i think i kno why yur so bitter chaco.

if i were the vig, id shoot ronike over junglefever.
i think its more important to deal with cop **** then just inactivity/lurkiness. And im sure SF can be bullied into posting.

but w/e shooting one of them would be good.

could still be bussing,

but would I really suggest shooting ronike over someone else if I was his scummate? by this point, the day had ended I would think that the cons outweighs the pros for this

still this point, there isn't a case against me that make any sense except for 'I reacted badly to chaco's push' which is still terrible reasoning. I was right about people on my wagon being suspect [Ronike]. So you could say I was deflecting [which is also bull**** because I've refuted everyone of those crap arguments aswell] or w/e but I was still right about Ronike so I should atleast get some gg points for that.

i agree with not understanding how frozen and jungle are on peoples town list. I'm not gonna bother trying to prove to nick that I'm town cuz i'm just getting dumb from him so i don't really care. But i'd rather chaco not be so convinced of my scumdom cuz he's not an idiot.

also, Nick your reasoning for investigating Chaco is absolute crap. If you wanted to confirm your sanity, you could have investigated Xonar. If you wanted to be a real ****ing cop, you'd investigate someone you were suspicious of. i.e. me.

eh, i haven't seen anything scummy from meta-kirby, i'll look into those 2 posts.

I think vig should deal with KevinM the way that he wants to.

 

[M.K]

Meta your entire case is garbage and you have lurked so hard.

Oh, nice comeback.
Good one, I mean, this is all coming from the guy who even refuses to acknowledge anyone as useful. In fact, what defines useful?
I hardly consider myself lurking at all, I just find it increasingly hard to chime in on things. During the D2 squabble between Macman/Xonar/Chaco, what could you possibly say in this situation? Oh wait, you didn't say anything either. So no, Kevin, I haven't been lurking, and it's **** tiring hearing you chirp this. Also, you haven't proven why my case is garbage, so I'm not going to respond to that with something like "IS NOT", because then I'll have something specific to counter instead of a back-and-forth tirade. However, I respect you for answering my question promptly. (answering questions seems to make people butthurt as soon as you pose one to them, so I thank you sincerely).

@Macman. I know you've constantly said that you've refuted Nick's argument, but I'm sorry, I must've missed it somewhere. Either you haven't, or I'm blind. Can you point me to specific post #s with your supposed "rebuttle"? Thank you.

@Marshy.

Post #407 is just a write-up of my own internal speculation as to whether Ronike was town or scum. I tend to write down possibilities for a better interpretation, as to what I did. I took a while to consider whether Nick was a sane cop and the read we got on Ronike was true or not. I was hesitant, so I like to write things down and get interpretations from others, reconsider my options, and make an ultimate decision. I believed Nick's claim after going back through his posts one day late D2, analyzing how he phrased his sentences, and determining that he was a straightforward speaker who didn't rely on little tricks or anything to scramble his intentions. Therefore, his investigation, which was also very "to the point", could be more believable. Next, I went through Ronike's posts to see his posting style. Consistently, he would post after PbPa-esque posts and comment on how scum he thought others to be. To me, this seemed to be trying to cast blame on others. In many cases, it snowballed, (Post 639 towards Macman, Post 276 towards a variety of people, etc.).
By the time I'd finished my look through, the Cacti lynch happened. If Ronike had survived the night, I'd have surely made a case against him with all of my thoughts/information. Now, well, I'm still looking at this Kevin/Marshy buddying thing. I don't like it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

286 looks bad, but mostly because of Ronikes fos which was wishy washy as hell. 407 looks bad cuz it's blatant defense of ROnike.

vote: meta-kirby

also I'm still holding Gheb to the whole "I can't explain my reasoning or I'll die" crap. That shouldn't be forgotten

 

[#HBC | Mac]

for meta: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9380226&postcount=731
my response/rebuttal to Nicks case. [Which was completely different from whatever the hell chaco was saying. Even though I asked Nick to paraphrase Chaco's case and he gave me completely new ****]

does that not count as a rebuttal/defense nick/chaco?

 

[Nicholas1024]

also, Nick your reasoning for investigating Chaco is absolute crap. If you wanted to confirm your sanity, you could have investigated Xonar. If you wanted to be a real ****ing cop, you'd investigate someone you were suspicious of. i.e. me.

Um, no it isn't. You see, I was pretty sure Chaco was town, so getting the innocent confirmed my reading. Had I gotten a guilty, I would have been a fairly good indicator I was paranoid (pending further investigations), but as I got innocent, this gives me a strong townie I can hopefully take to endgame. (That was sort of the idea with Ronike too, but he came up guilty. )

 

[Nicholas1024]

Agreed that I have no idea how people are considering Frozenflame/Junglefever townie. Meta-Kirby looks fairly townie to me. I need to re-read and check out people's interactions with Ronike though.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Um, no it isn't. You see, I was pretty sure Chaco was town, so getting the innocent confirmed my reading. Had I gotten a guilty, I would have been a fairly good indicator I was paranoid (pending further investigations), but as I got innocent, this gives me a strong townie I can hopefully take to endgame. (That was sort of the idea with Ronike too, but he came up guilty. )

What the **** are you saying you don't make any sense.

Your read on chaco doesnt make him confirmed town, so scanning him doesn't prove anything.

 

[Nicholas1024]

What the **** are you saying you don't make any sense.

Your read on chaco doesnt make him confirmed town, so scanning him doesn't prove anything.

Um... let's see. It proves he's town, and it proves that I'm a sane cop. Need I say more?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If you really wanted to check your sanity you could've scanned me.

had I gotten a guilty, I would have been a fairly good indicator I was paranoid

Or Chaco was scum, which is the problem.

Anyways, would like to see lurkers post moar.

 

[Nicholas1024]

vote: Frozenflame

Come on man, where'd you go?

@Xonar
I hadn't seen Ronike's flip yet. 2 guilty results in a row would be a fairly good sign of being paranoid/insane.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Or you're being awesome and getting 2 good reads but then SWF mafia decides to play follow the cop and we make a mislynch?

In either way, there's no point arguing atm, it didn't turn up to be guilty so w/evs :3

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I'll be completely honest, I suck at managing real life and the whole thing we call time and as such I am horrendously far behind. 6 pages @ posts a page behind to be exact.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9356468&postcount=589

Is basically where I'm starting.

I've skimmed over the new stuff but not even close to well enough to have anything of substance to say.

Two things did jump out at me:

1.) http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9359014&postcount=591

WHAT THE **** AT BLATANT ROLEPHISH LOL

Scummetakirby much?

2.) Are people seriously considering lynching TowngovXonar? Seriously?

Steel probably hates me and you all also probably do but that's totally legit. I'll try to fix my ****. Hopefully my next post will be like, ****, anally, dry, no spit or something equivalently epic.

 

[Chaco]

If you really wanted to check your sanity you could've scanned me.



Or Chaco was scum, which is the problem.

Anyways, would like to see lurkers post moar.

He got a guilty on Ronike...Ronike was scum. He got inno on me...picture painted clearer?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Problem is what would happen if he got a guilty on you. Picture painted clearer?

It wouldn't have confirmed anything.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Steel probably hates me and you all also probably do but that's totally legit. I'll try to fix my ****. Hopefully my next post will be like, ****, anally, dry, no spit or something equivalently epic.

you could always make me a doublevoter

finished rereading. its likelier that there was some more bussing done yesterday than i initially thought as ronikes jump on macman was so blatantly scummy and just like 2 days before deadline. but i still dont think macman is a play today

more scummeta kirby/frozen/scumbagfevah votes

 

[Chaco]

Problem is what would happen if he got a guilty on you. Picture painted clearer?

It wouldn't have confirmed anything.

But he didn't...?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Xonar, I don't see why are you pushing such an unlikely scenario. How is this supposed to help us?

- Nick is unCCed Leia
- Nick is unCCed Cop
- Nick's guilty flipped mafia
- "Paranoid" and "Insane" don't match with Leia's character

I don't see what you try to achieve by undemining the legitimacy of Nick's claim.

but i still dont think macman is a play today

Obviously I'm asking you to be more specific. You went from "Mac is def def town" to "he's suspicious but i still dont think hes a play toDay" based on what? You're not referring to anything in particular when you make a point.

Why is Macman not a play toDay? You were suspicious of him all game and now that his scum is showing you're saying that he's not a play toDay? What's up with that?

Read posts 26, 105, 124/128, 147, 239, (324), 355/356, 371, 404/405, 443, 579, 623 and put Ronike's flip / the whole Chaco vs Macman debate into account - can you really say that Macman is not a good play toDay if you look at the big picture?

Vote Macman

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Read posts 26, 105, 124/128, 147, 239, (324), 355/356, 371, 404/405, 443, 579, 623 and put Ronike's flip / the whole Chaco vs Macman debate into account - can you really say that Macman is not a good play toDay if you look at the big picture?

Gheb, what about the Chaco vs Macman debate make me seem to be scum? How does Ronike's flip make me seem to be scum?

i don't think xonar was trying to undermine Nick's claim, he was just saying his reasoning for investigating Chaco is flawed. Which I agree with since getting a town read on Chaco doesn't prove that you are sane at all. It would make more sense to do it on someone who is basically clear like xonar. Nick's reasoning that he wanted somebody strong to take to end game without worrying about whether he is scum or not is legit tho. [However, we can't forget about GF's other investigation changing roles.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

also i looked at the first few posts you specified, and I don't see anything wrong/scummy with em.

 

[Chaco]

Mac, he cannot have two confliciting results like that? I do not see what you're saying at all?

His guilty flipped scum but he can turn insane on even nights? Not likely at all.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

gheb the change was made when i reread and considered the timing of the macman wagon. earlier i saw ronike try to push macman wagon with terrible reasoning and just thought "oh power role hunting" but in retrospect mac was probably not gonna get lynched over cacti making a bus more plausible than i initially thought

where are you getting that ive suspected him all game? i opposed his wagon yesterday and havent been suspicious of him since like mid d1

dont think macman is a good play today looking at those posts

 

[Chaco]

Marshy, do you agree he should die before end game?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Alright, that's a better explanation than before and I will take it into consideration. What do you think about the specific posts I mentioned? Think they're scummy or not?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Gheb, what about the Chaco vs Macman debate make me seem to be scum? How does Ronike's flip make me seem to be scum?

im getting tired of ppl not responding to my qs.

ahh, i understand now Chaco. He can't be insane cuz of the correct ronike flip. My bad nick, i get it now. You were trying to investigate someone that would get you a town result. icic