Scum Wars Mafia - Game!

[DtJ Jungle]

Holy ****, I've already explained this. Xiivi has been on my case since his FIRST VOTE on Day 1, and it just irked me the wrong way. His little snobby "olol nobody gotten this yet, you all? ohohoh" comment really grinded my gears. It may have been impulsive, yes, but he gets on my LAST nerve. I guess it just snapped me.

So you're just writing it off as a bad reaction? It was quite scummy to come out reveal it

I don't understand how I tunneled on Kevin. In my opinion, a person should be able to defend themselves when someone says they want to lynch them. He gave his opinions, I gave mine. Hardly tunneling. By your definition, anybody who responds to a lynch threat is considered to be tunneling. Obviously, I don't want to by lynched, I am NOT scum. I don't know if this is because I'm a newbie, but I'm really stressed over it/worrying about it. I desperately want to show all of you that I'm NOT SCUM!!! How do you want me to do this?! I don't know what to do anymore, and it's scaring me D: Please help me help you understand the truth.

A whole lot of appeal to emotion, nothing substantial on why we shouldn't vote him. lookin mad desperate, and it was alot of backlash from kevin's posts that he really didn't even need to respond to >_>. Things like "Just feeling that he's scum" or "lurking mad hard" drew some intense responses from MK, such as this AtE paragraph above

And @ Boba Fett. Sorry, I've just seen the Star Wars movies wayyyy too many times. Xonar asked what characters could be that role, and he's the first that popped into my mind, so I answered. I didn't mean for this to be like "omg Boba = Kevin", just possible flavor for roles. >_<

So role fishing on two players? hmmmm...

I'm not scum, but I'm fairly certain that Kevin is indy. See, I'm also fairly certain that Kevin has a night kill ability, which is why I'm slightly uneasy letting him live through another night. Looking @ Bungle real hard as well. Macman....I don't know what to think of you right now, but I'm getting a mixed reaction, but not NO reaction, if that makes sense? I sense town and scum from you at both times, which confuses me.

so did you look at me? tell me what you found. Also, fence sitting on macman, could be scum waiting to look opprotunistic if the times right (goes for me too i know.)

Also, CAN WE PLEASE GET XIIVI TALKING?? Good lord, he could be scum just skating by watching town flail! I want to get him talking/participating, whether or not he feels like it Requesting Xiivi Prod

while xiivi shoudl talk more, this looks like an attempt to see if he can't take the heat off him by pushing it onto another player.


Basically don't like the way MK has been responding to the pressure

vote: Meta-Kirby


I can claim if you want me to.

So for being away for 3 days or so, been really stupid sick.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Your first statement must mean that when you look at my posts all at once, that you notice some over arching trend/pattern/etc in my posts... that would point to me being scum. What exactly is that?

I want you to claim and answer this^^

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

My opinion on Macman vs Chaco?

Leaning towards Macman favor tbh, will elaborate later, going to bed soonish.

 

[Chaco]

My opinion on Macman vs Chaco?

Leaning towards Macman favor tbh, will elaborate later, going to bed soonish.

Vague as all get out.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

In you spat vs Chaco, it looks like your hiding under your own meta. Meaning, you say 'i play like this as town ' and while yes, your normal playstyle does see some fluff posted and what not, to call out your own meta obviously suggests that you know your own meta and, therefore, can play according to it. Compound it with your skim of why Nick investigated chaco, and overall flip-floppyness, It adds up a few scum points. But would rather take care of MetaKirbs today.

I'll claim if more people call for it.

 

[Chaco]

Nah, don't claim until we head in a sure direction.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Vague as all get out.

Sorry for giving you my opinion promising to elaborate later as to show that I'm not ignoring requests.

Geez, get off my back.

 

[Xiivi]

steel warned me the game was in fact still going on and I was like gonna get prodded

I hope Xiivi will find his way back into this game soon.

I will! Sometime. :/

too many people alive for d3 with like the most useless flips ever

unvote: vote: meta-kirby until then

 

[M.K]

So you're just writing it off as a bad reaction? It was quite scummy to come out reveal it

Unfortunately, I reacted badly, and I can understand why people have taken it as scummy. I didn't mean to "reveal" anything. Besides, many players had indicated that they too had figured it out, I was just the stupid person to post it. Like I said, YES it was a bad reaction, and I understand why it's coming against me now, but if you look back at Xiivi's posts, I can guarantee that 4/5 of them are trying to start something on me, and it was just rubbing me the wrong way. I'm trying to actively participate, no matter if I'm looking for scum or defending myself from people who think I'm scum, and he's just sitting back, or gone somewhere.

A whole lot of appeal to emotion, nothing substantial on why we shouldn't vote him. lookin mad desperate, and it was alot of backlash from kevin's posts that he really didn't even need to respond to >_>. Things like "Just feeling that he's scum" or "lurking mad hard" drew some intense responses from MK, such as this AtE paragraph above

It's not just Frozen's posts. If you've watched the last few pages (which, I'm assuming you haven't, because you probably just came back to do a quick post to disappear again) there has been something mounting against me. And, please, that was less of an AtE and more of "what do I do to prove that I'm town?" thing. How can I "just not respond to something"? That's so much more suspicious than confronting things head on, and I'm not about to take YOUR scummy ways and adopt them for myself. >_>

So role fishing on two players? hmmmm...

Uhm, what the ****? I don't even understand this. I'm not role fishing on two players. God ****, things should not be THIS hard to convey to people. I said that Boba Fett is A character in THE star wars movies that FITS the role of INDY. That's it. You're not reading very carefully, now are you? I assume that you saw "Xonar" AND "KevinM" and thought "rolefish 2", which is completely the wrong interpretation.

so did you look at me? tell me what you found. Also, fence sitting on macman, could be scum waiting to look opprotunistic if the times right (goes for me too i know.)

Not yet. I've just returned from school/diving practice.
I'm not fence sitting on Macman, I just haven't processed enough of the arguments against him yet (irl johns, junior year is kicking my *** )

while xiivi shoudl talk more, this looks like an attempt to see if he can't take the heat off him by pushing it onto another player.

"You're right, but that's not the right thing to do"
Bull****.
This is why I want him to talk:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9346771#post9346771
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9188638#post9188638
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9326865#post9326865
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9285375#post9285375
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9354362#post9354362

His posts are a labyrinth to understand, enigmatic, unhelpful, and devoid of any real substance. He's been after me since Day 1, and I want to CONFRONT him head on so that I can understand his thoughts about me/the game! That's where I want to go from here.

Basically don't like the way MK has been responding to the pressure

It's pressure, I don't really know the correct way to respond. I'm not pulling the newbie card, I refuse to do that, because I knew the rules coming in, but it's like those "traffic rules" that are unstated but true (like, move with the speed of traffic, even if that's a bit over the speed limit, etc.). I definitely wasn't expecting this kind of pressure, and I'm just trying to prove that I'm town one step at a time!

 

[Chaco]

Sorry for giving you my opinion promising to elaborate later as to show that I'm not ignoring requests.

Geez, get off my back.

Yeah, there's no point in doing that. Just as bad as going "Vote: Blahblah. Reasoning later."

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

There is a point in doing that, it's called communicating.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

In you spat vs Chaco, it looks like your hiding under your own meta. Meaning, you say 'i play like this as town ' and while yes, your normal playstyle does see some fluff posted and what not, to call out your own meta obviously suggests that you know your own meta and, therefore, can play according to it. Compound it with your skim of why Nick investigated chaco, and overall flip-floppyness, It adds up a few scum points. But would rather take care of MetaKirbs today.

I'll claim if more people call for it.

Can you show examples of when/how I've been flipfloppy?
Don't you understand that it wasn't a skim, I just disagreed with it at first. And even if I did skim over that is that scummy?

xonar, what does leaning towards macman favor mean?

will read MK's post later

 

[Nicholas1024]

Personally, I don't understand why everyone's targeting Jungle and Frozen over Xivii. I mean, Xivii claimed miller early D1, giving us a ton of WIFOM to deal with, breadcrumbed a character that doesn't fit miller whatsoever, and then disappeared.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@Frozen

Care to share your opinion on Macman with Macman vs Chaco in particular? Maybe I'm tunneled but I'm still not opposed to a Macman lynch and I'd like to hear other people's opinion on him - so far I only know Marshy's, Chaco's and my own. Would be cool to hear other people's opinion. Nick / Xonar should also weigh in on this as they're basically cleared.

Funny you say that because I was actually already looking into the relationship. Will certainly get back to you on that.

Jungle looks worse and worse every time I re-read him. He looks so scum but so does Meta which makes no ****ing sense.

Xiivi's breadcrumb still makes NO SENSE either and I agree his disappearance after having basically pseudo claimed rubs me the wrong way. Other than that though hes not so scum.

Officially V/LA until Monday since I'm at a debate tournament all weekend.

Sorry for this BS copout post. Next content post is a W.I.P.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

The overal feel I got from the argument makes me lean towards Macman's favor. Chaco was presenting a case without ever CONCRETELY stating it, just referring to actions made by Macman without giving his own opinion on it besides 'it's scummy lololol', and Macman kept asking for Chaco to give him answers on his questions to which Chaco responded 'I already answered them' while he never concretely did so.

Let's look at the case, shall we? It's pretty darn long so I won't comment on everything.
First real reply by Chaco on a post by Macman that honestly looked scummy:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9376736&postcount=624
I was surprised by people's reaction on already willing to lynch him, which seems kinda extreme for me, but let's move on.
His reply: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9376805&postcount=629
While he does sorta have a point, this is what's going to happen all the time. Chaco didn't concretely give his opinion making replying hard for Macman.
Chaco: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9376922&postcount=635
'He reacted extremely poorly' Again this is nothing concrete, this irritated me all the time. His second part also has no explanation, just 'its scum ololol'
Now Ronike points out Chaco's original comment on Mac:

Macman: Can't wrap around completely why yet, but I'm feeling he's scum in this game.

Nothing concrete.
Also, Nicks comment

Also, I don't like how you'll just "hammer anyone". That implies that you don't care who gets lynched, which in turn implies an anti-town mindset.

I think people misinterpet Macman. I know I haven't been on here as long as you guys, but as far as I know him when he says something like this he probably means 'hammer anyone suspicious', which, admittedly, isn't always good, but it doesn't require as much spotlight as it gotten back then. He also elaborated on this later, so I guess that's ok.

All this time Ronike and Nick had been setting Chacos case forth by repeating things and pointing out the obvious. Now he finally posts:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9378065&postcount=648
Now he explains why there's nothing concrete, while this does irritate me later on when Macman finally posts some real stuff, I do agree that he's been doing nothing the rest of the day, so I don't hold people suspicious for being suspicious of Macman
Macman defends by saying how Chaco picks him out of all fluffposters, which I think is because of the 'vibe' Chaco gets from him. Iunno, still, Macman defends himself and asks him questions. Guess what Chaco does? He says it's an OMGUS and proceeds to answer none of the questions. WTF chaco, how are you building a case like this?
Anyway, Chaco decides to answer the questions. the first answer is a referral and the second he refuses to answer. *facepalm*
(btw at this point in time I'm skipping the noncommital argument because it's rubbish)
Macman keeps asking questions and Chaco keeps ignoring them which makes me think Chaco is
1. a moron
2. a moron
Then some stupid arguments about nothing come along. While I do agree Macman wanting to shoot his wagoners is kinda scummy, because with Mac's post behavior I'm not surprised people vote him.
I also dislike how chaco is on my back while he should just be replying to Mac, Seriously man, how is MY homework that important to you.
Seriously, Mac keeps trying to defend himself, and Chaco just says 'I ALREADY SAID THAT' or 'LOL THATS SCUMMY!111' This is the main reason I lean towards Mac's favor in the discussion.
I also dislike how Gheb comes between both as soon as Chaco has nothing else to say to point out how he wants to lynch someone else. FoS for that.
(http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9379617&postcount=699 and my posts after that) I do later post that I think it was a saving of Macman, but after all this it looked like a chaco safe more then Macman safe.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9379714&postcount=705 x100
Chaco responds by saying 'OMG I ALREAYD TOLD DAT ITS SUCM!!!' ah well, what could I expect?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9379990&postcount=720 = saying it's an omgus by posting an omgus.

It pretty much ended around here, with Chaco pushing a lynch with 'Just die already and save me the trouble olololol'
Anyways, Macman doesn't look any more scummy thanks to this case, I'm actually happy he posts normally now
That's my view on the situation.

 

[Steel]

"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."

23rd Vote Count

Bunglefever (4) - Macman, Marshy, Xonar, KevinM

Meta-Kirby (3) - Frozenflame751, Bunglefever, Xiivi

Macman (1) - Gheb_01

Not Voting (6) - Chaco, Nicholas1024, Meta-Kirby

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[M.K]

I will! Sometime. :/

too many people alive for d3 with like the most useless flips ever

If this is all you have to say, you're not much of a help to us.

Vote: Xiivi

 

[Chaco]

Xonar, first off, clean your **** post up. That's disgusting to look at and let alone try to read.

Now onto why you irritate the piss out of me:

Did you go back and read when I said I had already answered? I can answer that for you: Hell no. There's no bending it or twisting it. You completely missed when I had targeted inactives! Now second part, WHY in the HELL would I fuel a meta defense? It is worthless crap! Macman defended himself by saying it was all NULL. That he's a ****posts in every game. Do you think Mac ****posts in ever game Xonar? No, he doesn't!

Now, there is no reason for me to answer his meta bull****. Absolutely none.

Now let's go with this: I never formally presented a case on Macman. This is why this whole situation makes me laugh, the case's that were presented were derived from my GUT read on Macman. The defense I was asking for, was the CASES derived from my GUT read.

I said it was impossible to label Macman because it was like looking for a diamond in a sewer. Since then he's shaped up more, but he still shouldn't live. Yet you'd rather lynch someone who Marshy just says "The play is blahblah."

Marshy: Present why Macman should live to endgame since you said he should.

Xonar: Honestly, I don't know what to think of your post as it is an utter backtrack of your original "down to lynch Macman 360 rofl Macman r town". Your post is utterly near impossible to follow.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i personally agree with chaco that there are some people whose games are so airtight that tho you can't dictate specific reasons to think their scum you just have to go with that gut feeling.

tho i personally don't think that's the case for me.

defense might be meta, but its proper meta. You know i fluff post, everyone knows i do, so i just cant see how yu think it's scummy.

xonar, who are you looking to lynch today?

 

[Chaco]

Your game isn't exactly airtight, it's just I do not have a good scumdar on you AT ALL. You very rarely play scum, and I have to judge on one or two instances.

Fluff Posting is scummy as town or scum.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

fluff posting in and of itself isnt scummy, it's scummy when its done in order to bypass posting actual content. Which I haven't been doing

 

[Chaco]

Not anymore.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Xonar, first off, clean your **** post up. That's disgusting to look at and let alone try to read.
I will keep it in mind next time.

Now onto why you irritate the piss out of me:

Did you go back and read when I said I had already answered? I can answer that for you: Hell no. There's no bending it or twisting it. You completely missed when I had targeted inactives! Now second part, WHY in the HELL would I fuel a meta defense? It is worthless crap! Macman defended himself by saying it was all NULL. That he's a ****posts in every game. Do you think Mac ****posts in ever game Xonar? No, he doesn't!
Well, I don't think his defense was made of ****posts, which proves something, yet you continued to pressure him.

Now, there is no reason for me to answer his meta bull****. Absolutely none.

Now let's go with this: I never formally presented a case on Macman. This is why this whole situation makes me laugh, the case's that were presented were derived from my GUT read on Macman. The defense I was asking for, was the CASES derived from my GUT read.
Which is what irritates me. You pushed WAY TO HARD on a gut case.

I said it was impossible to label Macman because it was like looking for a diamond in a sewer. Since then he's shaped up more, but he still shouldn't live. Yet you'd rather lynch someone who Marshy just says "The play is blahblah."
Not even going to comment on this.

Marshy: Present why Macman should live to endgame since you said he should.

Xonar: Honestly, I don't know what to think of your post as it is an utter backtrack of your original "down to lynch Macman 360 rofl Macman r town". Your post is utterly near impossible to follow.

Ok mayn.

Mac I've got no particular target in mind at the moment, but Jungle hasn't been helpful at all so far which is why I'd settle for him atm, still would prefer someone else, just not sure who.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Marshy: Present why Macman should live to endgame since you said he should.

cuz hes **** obvious town and plenty of people need to die over him

unvote vote scummeta kirby big post doesnt scare me

 

[#HBC | marshy]

anyway i reread and decided that macman should never be lynched unless theres evidence of alignment changing role(s). i see whats up

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Marshy, I hope you realize that posting "I see what's up" isn't too convincing an argument?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Anyone else thinking Macman-Marshy scumteam?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

noone can be that stupid.
so ill just assume it was a joke

 

[#HBC | marshy]

^ same. this is ********. macman is cleared read his posts stop whining about him not explaining stuff and lynch scummeta kirby holy ****

L2READ TOWN

and yeah clearly our gameplan is for me to keep saying that macman is cleared and link ourselves for the entire game great scumhunting nick

talk about worst **** clear

dont let kevin live to endgame cuz hes clearly scum. when ronike claimed kevin just said "not who you think i am"...what? ronike flipped rolecop. just saying this in case i get nked i dont want an im from steel saying "lol yeah kevin was scum obv" then i rage while im dead and this ***** town wont lynch obvscum like some simpsons maf ****

but yeah kevin should just claim cuz no one trusts him. if we dont like it then vig deals with im

frozen also scum and should die. vig guns better be going off

 

[Nicholas1024]

So let's see. Shoot/lynch indy, newbie, and inactives. I think I should remind you Marshy, you are not a Jedi, and repeating a statement will not make it true. Besides, nobody's planning to let KevinM live to endgame, so relax. If you can't back up your statements with facts and reasons, don't make 'em. It only makes you look bad.

 

[M.K]

So let's see. Shoot/lynch indy, newbie, and inactives. I think I should remind you Marshy, you are not a Jedi, and repeating a statement will not make it true. Besides, nobody's planning to let KevinM live to endgame, so relax. If you can't back up your statements with facts and reasons, don't make 'em. It only makes you look bad.

I agree with this. You seem to have some sort of superiority complex going on, and it's gone from "threatening" to downright "annoying". You seem to have your mind fixated on one specific course of action, and any little deviation will cause a type of freakout lol.
I love how you can just wave your magic wand and say "Ohhh, lynch him, kthx" when you don't have that type control over the game (which, I believe, you desperately want).

unvote for now.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

still rather do jungle/frozen first. but MK is my third so i don't really mind...

 

[Steel]

Kirbyoshi replaces Xiivi. Thanks Kirbyoshi!

 

[#HBC | marshy]

So let's see. Shoot/lynch indy, newbie, and inactives. I think I should remind you Marshy, you are not a Jedi, and repeating a statement will not make it true. Besides, nobody's planning to let KevinM live to endgame, so relax. If you can't back up your statements with facts and reasons, don't make 'em. It only makes you look bad.

whats wrong with shooting/lynching indy?

and yeah nick newbies cant be scum

wanna know why it looks like im just targeting inactives? player list:

1. Marshy
2. Gheb_01
3. Macman
4. Crimson King Xonar
5. KevinM
6. Xiivi
7. frozenflame751
8. Blue Yoshi Chaco
9. Nicholas1024
10. Bunglefever
11. Meta-Kirby

im town. ghebs not a play today. neither is kirbyoshi/xiivi. macmans cleared. kevins dying sooner or later. chaco is cleared by you...that leaves scummeta kirby/frozen/bungle

 

[M.K]

ghebs not a play today. neither is kirbyoshi/xiivi.

How is this for you to decide? I want Xiivi/KirbYoshi gone ASAP.

macmans cleared.

SOMEHOW you think this, but it hasn't been shown ANYWHERE in the discussion. As Nick previously stated "I know what's up" is NOT a valid argument.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Marshy even though you're saying alot you aren't really saying anything that contributes to scum hunting

 

[Nicholas1024]

Agreed here. Marshy, you're clearing people that are by no means clear and aren't giving any reasoning whatsoever. Why wouldn't we consider Macman or Xiivi/Kirbyoshi a possible play today?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Marshy even though you're saying alot you aren't really saying anything that contributes to scum hunting

Nice to see you show up. Who's scum, and why, Jungle?

 

[Steel]

"Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him."

"That's what I'm afraid of."

24th Vote Count

Meta-Kirby (4) - Frozenflame751, Bunglefever, Xiivi, Marshy

Bunglefever (3) - Macman, Xonar, KevinM

Macman (1) - Gheb_01

Not Voting (3) - Chaco, Nicholas1024, Meta-Kirby

KevinM will be prodded if he does not post by 3 PM EST.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote Vote Frozen