Scum Wars Mafia - Game!

[~ Gheb ~]

I simply agree with Chaco that you were scummy before the whole argument started. I felt that his points have a lot more merit than yours. It's not that it makes you seems scummy - it just compounds to your play all game which has been scummy in my eyes. Ronike would make perfect sense with you as scumbuddy. Those things aren't inherently scummy but they do add a lot considering that I'm already suspcious of you.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I simply agree with Chaco that you were scummy before the whole argument started. I felt that his points have a lot more merit than yours. It's not that it makes you seems scummy - it just compounds to your play all game which has been scummy in my eyes. Ronike would make perfect sense with you as scumbuddy. Those things aren't inherently scummy but they do add a lot considering that I'm already suspcious of you.

explain the bold.

also, im just gonna stop asking about what exactly chaco's points/case is, since noone wants to give me a straight answer. [except nick who brought up stuff that Chaco didn't even say] And i'm getting tired of asking it.

Why did you get off my wagon yesterday if you agreed with Chaco?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I have to reread a bit more but from what I've seen so far I agree with Gheb in that Mac's actions as they stand alone aren't scummy but when you look at them all at once it makes him seem like scum.

Also, I feel like Mac is skimming, teh whole reason on why Nick investigated Chaco is pretty obvious and i feel like he should've picked up on that fairly quickly >_>

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i read Nick's reason[which is obvious cuz I quoted it and directly questioned it], i just thought it was stupid reasoning, but that's just cuz i didn't think it through too well. But no, i'm clearly skimming, im so scummy omg.

thanks for your contribution JF. Why don't you place a vote on me to solidify you suspicion of me.

Your first statement must mean that when you look at my posts all at once, that you notice some over arching trend/pattern/etc in my posts... that would point to me being scum. What exactly is that?

My problem with alot of the **** people are saying here, is that it's really easy to say someone or something is scummy, but can you come up with reasons why I'm scummy?

**** it, call it OMGUS

jungle's scum vote: junglefever

 

[KevinM]

I to am leaning towards jungle being scum currently.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ok this just got interesting for no reason.

Xonar, I don't see why are you pushing such an unlikely scenario. How is this supposed to help us?

- Nick is unCCed Leia
- Nick is unCCed Cop
- Nick's guilty flipped mafia
- "Paranoid" and "Insane" don't match with Leia's character

I don't see what you try to achieve by undemining the legitimacy of Nick's claim.

You're saying I'm pushing the scenario, but I'm simply saying that his reasoning for voting Chaco is bullsht, I do know he's cop but he's a copmoron.

I'm not undermining his claim, lol. I do believe him, yet I don't think his investigate was smart. If he got a Chaco scum flip, there are a few scenarios:
1. Chaco is scum
2. Nick is paranoid/insane dunnowhichone.
3. Chaco is scum BUT nick is paranoid/insane

In the first case, he could think he was not sane because he got 2 scum investigates, which would not be true.
In the second case, he could think that Chaco was really scum, but he is actually not sane.
In the third case, Nicks read would later prove to be not true because he got guilty on everyone from there on making all his investigates useless, yet chaco is truly scum.

See the problem here? Just investigating me would've been better, but it went well and we can confirm his sanity so that's not a point now ;D

That's my reasoning.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Investigating chaco* sorry.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

xonar can you stop talking about nothing?

anyway unvote vote scumfevah

frozen also scummy as hell. only thing he has going for him is that he suspects scummeta kirby but even then hes not voting him so he can keep his options open and not have to bus his partner. my list is the same and there should be more votes on these bgs

ill answer other stuff and elaborate on frozen later

 

[Steel]

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

22nd Vote Count

Bunglefever (2) - Macman, Marshy

Macman (1) - Gheb_01

KevinM (1) - Xiivi

Frozenflame751 (1) - Nicholas1024

Not Voting (6) - KevinM, frozenflame751, Chaco, Bunglefever, Xonar, Meta-Kirby

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

xonar can you stop talking about nothing?

Sure, how far on the lynch is jungle now?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oops Steel made a post while I had the post window open.

Vote: Junglefever

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Ok this just got interesting for no reason.


You're saying I'm pushing the scenario, but I'm simply saying that his reasoning for voting Chaco is bullsht, I do know he's cop but he's a copmoron.

I'm not undermining his claim, lol. I do believe him, yet I don't think his investigate was smart. If he got a Chaco scum flip, there are a few scenarios:
1. Chaco is scum
2. Nick is paranoid/insane dunnowhichone.
3. Chaco is scum BUT nick is paranoid/insane

In the first case, he could think he was not sane because he got 2 scum investigates, which would not be true.
In the second case, he could think that Chaco was really scum, but he is actually not sane.
In the third case, Nicks read would later prove to be not true because he got guilty on everyone from there on making all his investigates useless, yet chaco is truly scum.

See the problem here? Just investigating me would've been better, but it went well and we can confirm his sanity so that's not a point now ;D

That's my reasoning.

nah nicks reasoning was that he wanted to find someone who he'd get a town result on, while NOT wasting an investigation by investigating you.

always thought ff was scummy, noone agreed with me tho, and i don't really have that strong of reasons, so i look forward to your post marshigio

 

[~ Gheb ~]

always thought ff was scummy, noone agreed with me tho, and i don't really have that strong of reasons, so i look forward to your post marshigio

Will post more later and elaborate on yesterday's posts since they're not as well worded as I wanted to. Just wanted to throw in that the underlined part is far from true.

 

[KevinM]

Forgot to place my vote on him.

Vote Junglefever

He's at L-2

 

[#HBC | marshy]

actually i dont wanna reveal why i think frozen is suspect and would instead rather see if he keeps doing something. feel free to hold me to this. however if his next post doesnt have good content im down to just wagon him cuz im tired of the stalling and he shouldve replaced out pages ago

 

[KevinM]

Marshy, I don't know if we're looking at the same thing but its the reason I haven't pushed mad hard because I'm waiting for something minus his big post.

I think I'd rather go Bungle regardless and just have vig take care of our frozen problem

 

[Nicholas1024]

I'm not liking the big lynch push on Jungle and Frozen. Sure, inactives don't help town, but they're also an easy mislynch for scum to push and don't draw any connections. I'd rather give them a chance to step up their game before immediately killing them off. However, if frozen doesn't deliver on that big post he promised, I agree that he can go.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

nick...YOU are voting frozen

 

[#HBC | marshy]

and what do you mean give them a chance its ****ing day 3

 

[Nicholas1024]

Its a pressure vote, not a push for a lynch. When he delivers, I'll take it off. I know its D3. However, I've seen plenty of lurkers as either side. (Not to mention, I've had this sort of inactivity due to RL issues myself before, so...)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

frozen hasn't contributed anything this entire game [atleast suspicion wise]

jungle is being normal scummy jungle and bwing the crap case against me without committing to a vote, and didn't respond to me quicker when he was still online and able to.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Heh. Reason I'm reluctant is because I've seen this type of play from Frozen before. (RTS mafia) Tom basically did the same thing in Wonderland mafia as well. Anyway, let's just wait and see what Frozen has to say.

@Frozen
I'll give you until Sunday night to make your post.

 

[KevinM]

Why such a ridiculous ingame deadline?

You should be actively trying to find scum why are you so content to just ****ing coast.

 

[Chaco]

Looking closer a this game again this weekend.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Marshy, do you agree he (macman) should die before end game?

no. scumfevah scummeta kirby and frozen can all die terrible deaths before him

also anyone else down to demand a claim out of kevin?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think vig should decide on what to do about kevin

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'd rather hear a lot more from Xiivi / Frozen

 

[#HBC | marshy]

demanding a claim doesnt mean we waste our time wagoning him when weve got this sweet scumfevah wagon going. we just say "kevin claim or youre not living til endgame". letting vig decide means hes acting without a claim

 

[KevinM]

Marshy:

 

[#HBC | marshy]

scumfevah/scummeta kirby/frozen dead yet?

 

[KevinM]

Unfortunately not.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Alright so, finished analyzing Day 3. Macman wagon analysis is next in line follow by just general D2 re-read.

Here's what I've got:

Pretty **** convinced Meta is scum. The way he and Kevin are interacting is particularly interesting.

To begin with, Ronike's indictment of Kev introduces a whole lot of WIFOM that has been rightfully pointed out. I think we have the pieces to solve the puzzle though, and I think the reality is that Kevin IS an SK of some sort.

Recall Sleepover tournament. I don't think there's a better example of how independent killers can be major antagonists for scum. I've always been of the opinion that SKs are more a threat to scum than they are to a town. Ronike's push for Kevin upon allegedly finding out that he is a "hired gunman" (though it seems legit based on his flip) makes sense whether or not Ronike had concrete evidence that Kev was an SK or a vig. Obviously, either of the two are just as dangerous to him and his buddies.

Here's where I think Meta v. Kev as Scum v. Indy seems to fit.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9359014&postcount=591

Metas initial blatant role phish just REEKS of scum to me. There was absolutely no reason to out that kind of a hint toward what may or may not have been the TRUE aim of the breadcrumb. Looks like scum trying to make that knowledge public to justify a Xiivi flip of the predicted role and be able to say "wow, scum must've not known that was his role, and since I revealed it I can't me maf since he'd be dead already".

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9406245&postcount=802

Meta begins to tunnel hardcore on Kevin. He definitely seems Kevin as an open threat to him and has locked in. The fact that he's pushing so hard for Kevin, knowing Ronike's flip, just screams scum trying to finish the job and get the cred that Ronike was probably hoping was an SK flip. Meta's digging his heels in hardcore already and it looks like nothing other than new scum that's feeling cornered and pressured because of the loss of an experienced partner. Wouldn't be surprised if this is meta sans coaching.

His next post doesn't do much good for him either. He also names Bobba Fett as speculation of Kevin's role which is basically has "lol mafia rolecop info slip" written all over it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9405549&postcount=791

Minor point, but something that shouldn't be ignored. Why suggest lynching the confirmed governor? This doesn't make ANY sense without a strong case for why we should believe there's a scum governor in this game. I said it in Monster Island mafia and I'll continue to do so; there's no reason to believe what is less likely unless there is ample contextual evidence to show otherwise.

So yeah, everything I'm seeing D3 points to Scummeta v IndyKev. Meta is definitely the play at this point. Vig should take care of Kev unless of course Kev IS our vig.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9410884&postcount=810

Sums up pretty handily why Kev isn't the play over Meta.

Vote: Meta-kirby

As for Bungle:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9415962&postcount=843

I assume this is the style of post that is giving you all red flags about him? When I did a light re-read earlier I noticed that this seems to be the extent of his contribution level. Need to go over the content of his posts though before I talk about his wagon though.

 

[M.K]

Here's where I think Meta v. Kev as Scum v. Indy seems to fit.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9359014&postcount=591

Metas initial blatant role phish just REEKS of scum to me. There was absolutely no reason to out that kind of a hint toward what may or may not have been the TRUE aim of the breadcrumb. Looks like scum trying to make that knowledge public to justify a Xiivi flip of the predicted role and be able to say "wow, scum must've not known that was his role, and since I revealed it I can't me maf since he'd be dead already".

Holy ****, I've already explained this. Xiivi has been on my case since his FIRST VOTE on Day 1, and it just irked me the wrong way. His little snobby "olol nobody gotten this yet, you all? ohohoh" comment really grinded my gears. It may have been impulsive, yes, but he gets on my LAST nerve. I guess it just snapped me.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9406245&postcount=802

Meta begins to tunnel hardcore on Kevin. He definitely seems Kevin as an open threat to him and has locked in. The fact that he's pushing so hard for Kevin, knowing Ronike's flip, just screams scum trying to finish the job and get the cred that Ronike was probably hoping was an SK flip. Meta's digging his heels in hardcore already and it looks like nothing other than new scum that's feeling cornered and pressured because of the loss of an experienced partner. Wouldn't be surprised if this is meta sans coaching.

His next post doesn't do much good for him either. He also names Bobba Fett as speculation of Kevin's role which is basically has "lol mafia rolecop info slip" written all over it.

I don't understand how I tunneled on Kevin. In my opinion, a person should be able to defend themselves when someone says they want to lynch them. He gave his opinions, I gave mine. Hardly tunneling. By your definition, anybody who responds to a lynch threat is considered to be tunneling. Obviously, I don't want to by lynched, I am NOT scum. I don't know if this is because I'm a newbie, but I'm really stressed over it/worrying about it. I desperately want to show all of you that I'm NOT SCUM!!! How do you want me to do this?! I don't know what to do anymore, and it's scaring me D: Please help me help you understand the truth.

And @ Boba Fett. Sorry, I've just seen the Star Wars movies wayyyy too many times. Xonar asked what characters could be that role, and he's the first that popped into my mind, so I answered. I didn't mean for this to be like "omg Boba = Kevin", just possible flavor for roles. >_<

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9405549&postcount=791

So yeah, everything I'm seeing D3 points to Scummeta v IndyKev. Meta is definitely the play at this point. Vig should take care of Kev unless of course Kev IS our vig.

I'm not scum, but I'm fairly certain that Kevin is indy. See, I'm also fairly certain that Kevin has a night kill ability, which is why I'm slightly uneasy letting him live through another night. Looking @ Bungle real hard as well. Macman....I don't know what to think of you right now, but I'm getting a mixed reaction, but not NO reaction, if that makes sense? I sense town and scum from you at both times, which confuses me.

Also, CAN WE PLEASE GET XIIVI TALKING?? Good lord, he could be scum just skating by watching town flail! I want to get him talking/participating, whether or not he feels like it Requesting Xiivi Prod

Sorry if this post ends up looking like crap, I'm a TERRIBLE quote-seperator. D;

 

[M.K]

Forget that link that's just sitting there, leftover from Frozen's quote that I forgot to take out.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rather lynch ff or jungle over meta.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Jungle would be a good kill today

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Frozen
That's more like it. Really interested to hear your opinion on Macman.

Unvote

On the topic of KevinM... If we have a vig and not an SK, we could let the vig shoot him. If he is the SK... perhaps we should let him live as long as he keeps using his shot for town? After all, the SK/vig did kill Ronike for us last night...

 

[#HBC | marshy]

iight scummeta kirby it is then unvote vote scummeta kirby LETS GOOOOOOOO

kevin buddy dont nk me bro

 

[KevinM]

I can't but ok :D

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Actually I think Scumbagfever is a better play toDay than MKirby. I admit that he said things that are suspicious but I feel like he's doing a lot to defend himself and he's been so much more helpful than scumfever. Of course it's easy to not look like scum if you're posting very little within these 3 days and I don't see a good reason to keep scumfever alive since he has been nudging/buddying most of the time and rarely contributed to discussion even when he had time to be active.

I'd vote scumfever but he's @ L-2 and deadline is in more than a week. Good to see frozen making a legit post though and I hope Xiivi will find his way back into this game soon.

@Frozen

Care to share your opinion on Macman with Macman vs Chaco in particular? Maybe I'm tunneled but I'm still not opposed to a Macman lynch and I'd like to hear other people's opinion on him - so far I only know Marshy's, Chaco's and my own. Would be cool to hear other people's opinion. Nick / Xonar should also weigh in on this as they're basically cleared.