Fletch
Smash Master
That's not the picture we were looking for...Anyway, back to the camping thing.
Annoying, but true.
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Scar on the Melee vs Brawl debate: What does competitive really mean?
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LOL_Master
Smash Lord
hahaha yeah...still good nonetheless
arrowhead
Smash Ace
-Big_-Blue 9
Smash Journeyman
/\ I agree... least its faster in melee but still it blows
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
LOL_Master
Smash Lord
loooooolssss
Oh the moderators are going to kill you all, but I'm going to die from laughter.
Anyway, so I played Brawl today and played as Pit. I sat on the side and shot arrows and then went in for the kill when they went over 100%. I did this every time. It didn't take long for the casuals to disperse and then we played Melee.
Can I use this example of the competitive-ness of Brawl? It's no fun to lose in it; at least people stuck around when I beat them in Melee.
Anyway, so I played Brawl today and played as Pit. I sat on the side and shot arrows and then went in for the kill when they went over 100%. I did this every time. It didn't take long for the casuals to disperse and then we played Melee.
Can I use this example of the competitive-ness of Brawl? It's no fun to lose in it; at least people stuck around when I beat them in Melee.
-Wolfy-
Smash Champion
I don't think there actually are any moderators left at SWF. Check out this thread. It's at 8 pages when it shouldn't have made it past 2 or 3 posts lol.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181412
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181412
Cloak and Dagger
Smash Journeyman
OP sums it up very well. Ill make 2 points:
1. I go to a brawl/melee tournament now and there are 50 fanboys playing brawl and then there isnt even enough entrants to run the melee tournament.
2. There is no edgegaurding in brawl. One of if not the defining factor of a smash game.
1. I go to a brawl/melee tournament now and there are 50 fanboys playing brawl and then there isnt even enough entrants to run the melee tournament.
2. There is no edgegaurding in brawl. One of if not the defining factor of a smash game.
LOL_Master
Smash Lord
brawl's fd is smaller
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Pacific West Forums...
mikeHAZE and choknater were high and spamming last night and the day before and no one cared.
The Halloween Captain
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In fact, you can meteor cancel anything in Brawl, therefore they are all meteors. Just as Yuna said.
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
^ Is that sarcasm? I can't tell. I hope it's sarcasm >_>
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Even a casual should know how to get past the gayness of camping.
Frankly they were scrubs.
No.
You're applying casual gameplay to competitive gameplay which you know should not be done
Frankly if I was playing you I would have punished you harshly for it.
Otherwise if you apply casual behavior to competitive play, you'll basically be doing the equivalent, of saying Bowser is as competitively viable as Marth was in melee.
gantrain05
Smash Master
Bowser Isn't Viable??!! What?!
...Smash Bros has changed...
The last known excerpts of Captain Falcon's last moments before forever sealing himself into The Tomb of Bottom Tier...
"Smash Bros.. has changed...
It's no longer about combos, wavedashing, or hitstun.
It's an endless series of camping battles
Fought by Ike's and ROB's..
Smash Bros, and its consumption of speed
has become a slowed-down machine
Smash Bros has changed.
ID-tagged tourneygoers use ID-tagged wavebirds
Use ID-tagged characters
Mountain Dew inside their bodies, enhances and regulates their abilities
Aerial control, Attack control, Directional Influence Control, Battlefield control
Everything is monitored and kept under control
Smash Bros has changed.
The age of offensive play has become the age of camping
All in the name of someone beating Snake at his game
And he who controls the Battlefield, controls the match
Smash Bros has changed.
When the match is under total control
Battles becomes routine.
Smash Bros has changed.
Stolen from this guy:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=44167597
The last known excerpts of Captain Falcon's last moments before forever sealing himself into The Tomb of Bottom Tier...
"Smash Bros.. has changed...
It's no longer about combos, wavedashing, or hitstun.
It's an endless series of camping battles
Fought by Ike's and ROB's..
Smash Bros, and its consumption of speed
has become a slowed-down machine
Smash Bros has changed.
ID-tagged tourneygoers use ID-tagged wavebirds
Use ID-tagged characters
Mountain Dew inside their bodies, enhances and regulates their abilities
Aerial control, Attack control, Directional Influence Control, Battlefield control
Everything is monitored and kept under control
Smash Bros has changed.
The age of offensive play has become the age of camping
All in the name of someone beating Snake at his game
And he who controls the Battlefield, controls the match
Smash Bros has changed.
When the match is under total control
Battles becomes routine.
Smash Bros has changed.
Stolen from this guy:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=44167597
Fletch
Smash Master
When I think of camping, Ike doesn't exactly come to mind.
-Big_-Blue 9
Smash Journeyman
Aesir
Smash Master
Aether? more like ****
seriously he says **** not aether.
seriously he says **** not aether.
Fletch
Smash Master
O Sh*t Son Forgot Aether Is Too Good Ike Ftw
EDIT: WTF, got rid of all my sick capitals for some reason, can't properly express my message without them...
The Halloween Captain
Smash Master
I don't care what tier Ike is in. He's just a fun character...
HULK SMASH!
HULK SMASH!
Clai
Smash Lord
I'm going to call sarcasm on this as well. I do remember the resemblance of a thread that said that you can jump and use your Up+B in half the amount of frames as any other movement after a "meteor smash," but I have not seen anything near a useful application to this. Even in Yuna's dumb thread about calling it all meteor smashes, one person, one person in seven pages attempted to actually prove the fact that meteor smashes are cancellable true. Everyone else was either picking apart the language or peen-riding Yuna and accepting it as fact without any discernable proof what-so-ever.
Melee's meteor canceling was an actual cancel. You can see the spike recipient jump immediately after the spike, and you can even see the jump ripples proving that it was a true meteor cancel. This can be done over and over again with unflawed accuracy. I have not seen or heard anything close to this in Brawl. When you get spiked, you get *****, or at the very least, make some futile attempt to recover before you go down (ROB defies all logic regarding recoveries).
This statement is almost as bad as "Snakes everywhere are perfecting the Wall of Manliness." *sigh*
You aren't canceling anything. You are breaking out of "hitstun" at the normal time you could before. You are just jumping instead of falling for the next couple of inches to a halt. What you guys are saying is that jumping after getting hit by Marth's Dair in Melee was a meteor cancel! It wasn't. and don't take me to the thread with all the frame data and such. I was already flamed out of there by a hundred 08'ers crying about how I was bashing Brawl.
I'd like to know if the spikes in Smash 64 were called spikes or meteors. If they were called spikes, then yeah, everything's a spike now. If they were called meteors, then all they did was remove meteor canceling and the correct terminology is still meteor.
Of course, I should probably not trust official terminology. Who uses terms like "ukemi" and "perfect shield" anyway?
Of course, I should probably not trust official terminology. Who uses terms like "ukemi" and "perfect shield" anyway?
LOL_Master
Smash Lord
rofloafilaejfewoll cancelling pffffttabawahahahahahahahaha scrub bye
The original quote was:
"Fought by mercenaries and machines..."
Ike = mercenary, ROB = machine, obviously.
Winston
Smash Master
Well, we sure call/called them spikes =P
(we being the dudes in the ssb64 forums)
meteor is way too unwieldy.
Mr.Victory07
Smash Lord
The spikes in 64 were godly. Super fast, and strong. And almost everybody had one >.>
But then they were nerfed, and nintendo game them the official name meteor. We then sperated spikes in to meteors and spikes. Now, i think theyre both
But then they were nerfed, and nintendo game them the official name meteor. We then sperated spikes in to meteors and spikes. Now, i think theyre both
-Wolfy-
Smash Champion
I thought there were just Meteors, True Spikes, and Pseudo Spikes.
And I'm not sure because I've never been hit immediately after a meteor cancel, but I vaguely remember meteor canceling with Jiggs, and she had the same sort of "glow" your character gets that indicate invincibility frames. Are there invincibility frames or does it jsut signify a meteorcancel, because I truly do not remember, nor do I care enough to go check.
And I'm not sure because I've never been hit immediately after a meteor cancel, but I vaguely remember meteor canceling with Jiggs, and she had the same sort of "glow" your character gets that indicate invincibility frames. Are there invincibility frames or does it jsut signify a meteorcancel, because I truly do not remember, nor do I care enough to go check.
Duckys
Smash Apprentice
Brawl will evolve gradually and likely become more competitive than it is so far.
Reaver197
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Or it could remain the party game that it was intended to be. There hasn't really been any promising developments of its metagame; an "evolution" if you will.
-Wolfy-
Smash Champion
Well worded, Duckys.
I'm glad to gave it a non superlative analysis and did not compare it with Melee.
I'm glad to gave it a non superlative analysis and did not compare it with Melee.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
Brawl isn't going to change. What you see now in the competitive scene will pretty much go unchanged (with the possible exception of it getting gayer) and will eventually die and everyone will go back to Melee and live happily ever after. The End.
I think I'm falling in love with this guy.
The Halloween Captain
Smash Master
thumbswayup
Smash Master
Love you too, Heath lol
I wish I knew how to quit you.
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