[SA] Brawl Power Rankings v6.0 - UPDATE (7/12)

[Silfa]

ITT: people who have never played the match up and are absolutely sure of how things work because they read about it.

 

[dean.]

I've played it a few times in friendlies mostly + once in tournament... but I have no idea how to do the infinite so I can't really judge how hard it is.
-shrug-

 

[toki]

I've seen a dk player, who lives in canberra, **** a d3 player who was trying to use the infinte lololol.

it just so happens though that this dk player is actually the sun god of time and can read the infinte possibiltys through the veins of time

I herd dis gai punches the sun and doesnt afraid of anything

 

[Silfa]

dean is legit. destroyer of my DK.

toki for #1.

 

[dean.]

Then my Dedede promptly got wrecked by a Kirby secondary.

Aerodrome for #1.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

ITT: people who have never played the match up and are absolutely sure of how things work because they read about it.

Theory-crafting about it isn't hard.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Aerodrome for #1.

yay

 

[CaLibUr_1337]

Imo I think DK vs D3 is 30 - 70.

As long I don't f-tilt D3's shield then he can't grab me out of it. I don't use the move while D3 is grounded. If I F-smash it then he gets pushed to far back to shield grab Generally as long I space well, D3 isn't getting any easy shield grabs.

Ground pound helps a lot here, the move has more range then it looks. DK loves to keep D3 in the air. Easy edge guards/pressure.

Still D3 will eventually get the grab at least once. He'll spam Side B to try and make me approach, it's ****ing annoying and boring to put up with so eventually I'll mess up. Also D3 has better stage choices so DK has to make it count on neutrals.

P.S watch out for Giant punch


As far as MK goes I'd say 65-35 to MK. Once I'm at kill% (which is very high lol) it's too hard for DK to keep his stock due to average get up options besides < 100% get up attack which is amazing.

^ This is all from the top of my head. I'm certainly not the best DK around so don't take my skill level into account for anything lol. Go watch Will, Cable or anyone besides me XD **** everyone and then you'll see why DK can give most of top tier a run for its money.

 

[luke_atyeo]

I've seen a dk player, who lives in canberra, **** a d3 player who was trying to use the infinte lololol.

it just so happens though that this dk player is actually the sun god of time and can read the infinte possibiltys through the veins of time

^ So? The D3 player was bad at infiniting.

It doesn't change anythiiiiiing.

oh right sorry I forgot you were there and know all the circumstances of the match completely, my bad.

you dont change anything, some life you got.


I think your all stupid.

theory crafting is the worst, like its literally the worst thing ever, I dunno why everyone embraces it so.

knowledge is important sure, but experiance is even more important, and then theres something deeper then that, that all the best players have that you guys dont.
dunno what the word is for it, but those kinds of players are always looking for ways to win and push the boundaries.
those kinds of players are the ones who win unwinnable matchups against good players, and push the metagame further, and actually become good at the game because they are always pushing themselves.
Being smart and unpredictable is great, and gets you very far aswell, everyone play mk cause he's the best, but everyone all knows how to fight mk.
nobody knows how to fight link, even though he's a bad character, so when you get someone like scabe he ***** all your faces off.


you guys are all bad at the game, nova ran reloaded simply to prove this fact to you, and you should be going hang on, all this theory **** I learnt isnt doing **** for me.
instead all I see is, 'oh I only lost because I was playing bad'
well thats true, you were playing bad because you are bad.

somebody once said the path to winning is through losing, and a million other people have also quoted that line in some form or another, and its very true, but it doesnt mean from losing you automatically learn to win, it means you temper and re-evaluate your skills and **** through losing.
it means you analyise yourself and work out your flaws, it doesnt you mean you start thinking you lost because you were having a off day, or because you were in a bad matchup.

this kind of thinking will hold you back forever.
besides, you think you were playing badly?
I'm sure whoever you were playing wasnt putting in their all, because you werent a good enough player to pressure them and bring it out in them.

tldr, stop being idiots and going on about matchups and ****, if you want something to do start trying to critique each other, sure it would be better if you were critiqued by good players, but you'll also learn how to analyse better if you do try to crit other people.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Hahahaha, Luke.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

k, read the tl;dr version.

But basically any matchup is winnable provided someone is far better at playing the game than the other.

Which is what I said.

Which is what I think you're trying to say.

But I'm like, not sure and stuff.

 

[Ghostbone]

theory crafting is the worst, like its literally the worst thing ever, I dunno why everyone embraces it so.

Theory crafting is fine when it's done properly, and not **** like "Sonic loses to MK because of d-tilt"

When it comes to the DK vs D3 matchup, the DK will mess up and get grabbed and will get infinited. His only saving grace is that he can plank, but that's not viable with a LGL.

DK has basically no good approaches against D3, the risk/reward ratio is just heavily in D3's favour, and that's why he ***** DK. Of course DK can win, he just won't if the D3 knows what he's doing.

instead all I see is, 'oh I only lost because I was playing bad'

That's all you see, because that's all that's really said on the boards, at meets and tourneys we always discuss stuff, and try to figure out new strats and shiz. We do critique each other, just in person, where it's much easier to convey what you're trying to say. You can also demonstrate stuff.
And I know I always watch vids of myself trying to figure out what mistakes I made and how I can improve.

 

[Silfa]

to win you must believe in your DK. rational thought is optional.

 

[zApollo]

We aim to release the next PR revision after this weekend.

EDIT:

I assume the two ranked sets Aces vs. Grim (winner being Grim) and Domo vs. Ghost (winner being Ghost) played today are results to be considered for the PR. Is this correct?

 

[SethT]

Grim won therefore no :3 Matches to be replayed at SG.

 

[Eagle]

Am I #1 yet? Sheesh.

Spoiler

No seriously, don't push me on this list unless I'm secret number 11 or something.

 

[Ghostbone]

You might get an honourable mention.

Spoiler

IF YOU GO TO TOURNAMENTS

 

[Grim Tuesday]

SA Brawl Power Rankings v4.0 (8/11)

S Tier:
1. Apollo (, )

A Tier:
2. Ghostbone ()
3. DoMo ()
4. Grim Tuesday ()

B Tier:
5. Ant ()
6. Aces (, )

C Tier:
7. Oli (, )
8. Jamage (, )
9. Allens ()
10. Gears ()

Honorable Mentions:
Monkeybear (Diddy Kong, Ike), Batmans (Toon Link), Lewis (Fox) and Techa (Snake).

Panelists:
Apollo, Jamage and Grim Tuesday.​

Position Criteria:​

​

Spoiler

• Tournament performance: - It's not only about how high a person placed, but rather who they defeated, who they lost to and the character selections they rely on. Rankings take into consideration a person's collective Singles performances over history and of recent times.
  
• Consistency of Results: - If a person has done well or poorly in a singular tournament, it is not enough to warrant a major shift in their respective rank. On the other hand, a person who has continually produced similar results over many tournaments will be assessed accordingly.
  
• Calibre of competition: - Tournaments which have highly ranked or respected participants (from either local or out of state regions) will be given greater weight.
  
• Residency: Players must be a current resident of South Australia.

Due to the constantly changing skill base of the scene, members can contest their placing in between tournaments using the system of ranked sets.

Spoiler

-Ranked sets are designed to clear ambiguity in skill levels where tournament placings do not suffice. Thus matches in ranked sets hold weight for your placing on the PR.
-Sets with best of 5 is recommended, but is not mandatory. The higher the number, the more impact your set will have on the PR. The length and number of sets must be explicit between the parties before the first match for it to be valid.
-The implied ruleset is the current one used at Valhalla. This can be altered if both parties agree.
-Players may decline challenges of ranked sets for any reason. However, if panelists request a ranked set and there is continued avoidance of said ranked set then it may adversely affect the placing of the avoiding player.
-Beating someone in a ranked set does not necessarily mean you will switch places with them.
-If a recording setup or ability to save replays are available it is recommend that they are used.
-There is no limit to the amount of ranked sets you may request. As with the number of games, a higher number of sets played will increase the amount of impact your wins have.

Previous Lists:

Spoiler

SA Brawl Power Rankings v1.01 (10/10)
1. Apollo
2. Gaganova
3. Jamage
4. Desert Eagle
5. Aces
6. Grim Tuesday
7. Hybrid
8. Blue Bomber
9. Shadowman
10. Rasberry

SA Brawl Power Rankings v2.0 (2/11)
1. Apollo
2. Nova
3. Wh1te5had0w
4. Ant
5. Aces
6. Ghostbone
7. Jamage
8. Eagle
9. Grim Tuesday
10. Hybrid

SA Brawl Power Rankings v3.0 (4/11)
1. Apollo
2. Wh1te5had0w
3. Ghostbone
4. DoMo
5. Grim Tuesday
6. Aces
7. Eagle
8. Ant
9. Jamage
10. Lespar

NOTE: Nova, who was formerly ranked #2 on the list, was removed by his request. Eagle and wh1te5had0w have been removed from the most recent revision due to inactivity.

 

[zApollo]

The above post by grim is 100% endorsed by Apollo. 'twas the result of 4 months of sweat and tears.

 

[Ghostbone]

Rename A tier to MK tier

 

[Jamage]

The above post by grim is 100% endorsed by Apollo. 'twas the result of 4 months of sweat and tears.

And me. Hopefully most people are happy, sorry if any of you think we got it wrong as we did our best and its easy to prove yourself and prove us wrong if attending regularly and kicking some *** :D

Rename A tier to MK tier

Agree. Also what happened to your Diddy?

 

[Ghostbone]

Agree. Also what happened to your Diddy?

Gave him up because Diddy's a crap character, so much worse than MK >.>

 

[Gears]

ikr. Everyone should give up on their character and use MK, he da bess! lol

Also, i'm thinking of picking up a pocket MK as a secondary. Not going to get serious with him.

 

[Eagle]

Didn't want an honorable mention anyways!

 

[SethT]

^ deserves honorable mention.
same with W150 + Nova for that matter.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

They are mentioned at the bottom of the post.

 

[SethT]

you should give them a little more then a size 8 text note at the bottom of a page :o

 

[Jamage]

Didn't want an honorable mention anyways!

Did you not notice the new DK? and the new Fox?
Come back and show em who's boss eh.

 

[Remastered]

Gave him up because Diddy's a crap character, so much worse than MK >.>

lol

10 lols

 

[Dekar289]

nova obvs s tier also... although you might as well simply start with a tier, so it's comparable other state PRs
also whiteshadow removed due to inactivity? could have sworn i saw him at reloaded...

 

[DoMo.]

could have sworn we know our own scene better than you...

 

[Remastered]

I played W150 at reloaded in friendlies, but he got there too late to play in singles pools so he couldn't enter .

He would be in the current A tier imo, just from the matches I played against him.

 

[Jamage]

also whiteshadow removed due to inactivity? could have sworn i saw him at reloaded...

He was there but didnt enter the singles and has attended 1 tourney in about the last 5 months, played 1 or 2 games and had to go. Hopefully he will start attending more

Gave him up because Diddy's a crap character, so much worse than MK >.>

This vid proves your point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2CELQqWJRc

 

[Grim Tuesday]

What Jamage said, W150 hasn't attended any enough tournies to warrant a placing on the PR.

Nova is obviously S Tier below Ant. W150 would be A Tier either above or below me, probably.

S Tier is accurate because Apollo is a whole 'nother league above the rest of SA (the difference between S and A implies this much more than A and B) but we might change it next revision.

 

[Remastered]

That video doesn't prove that Diddy is a bad character. Just proves Ghost doesn't play the character well. So many spot dodges. Apollo attacks at the banana's because Ghost always tries to go for them, even when it's not a safe option. Apollo throw the banana's in the air, not to control them, but to remove them from the play for a time while he still owns them.

Ghost, try glide tossing at and away, make Apollo come to you. Pressure with peanuts, and don't go for the nana all the time. You pulled them in some of the worst situations.

I play Diddy now too, just so I can learn strategies to beat them. I hope this helps. Tibs almost always glide tosses at and away. Jaice constantly attacks at the banana against Diddy's who aren't patient, and they are punished for it.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I doubt Ghost is going to go back to Diddy just because of some tips xD

He has seen the light...

 

[Splice]

Gave him up because Diddy's a crap character, so much worse than MK >.>

Ghostbone should give up Brawl because he's a crap player, A whole tier worse than Apollo

Although I have to admit, Ad3pt you should probably main MK yourself. Definitely your best character from all the matches I watched at Reloaded... lol

 

[DoMo.]

I found Ad3pt's DDD much better than his MK, but then again dittos are ******** haha

 

[Splice]

how many DDD's you played DoMo ?
how many MK's you played

I'm just going off the way I saw him play with the characters against other people. I guess I could be wrong but it seemed to me like his D3 was sillier than his MK. I didn't actually play his D3 but I'm still pretty sure

Also DoMo why not in same tier as Apollo

 

[SethT]

DoMo goes #1 in friendlies.
Needs to go #1 in tournies :x