Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[#HBC | J]

Then we are never getting a response from you. Alright you can die.

Unvote
Vote: GLG

 

[July]

@July: Okay, but why now? If you've seen someone do something a hundred times, why would they change it the 101est time? This is pretty much the point I'm trying to make.

@J: Your 61, I just realized that you never actually gave a stance on Cello. What is your stance on Cello right now?

I am just making the point that people are unpredictable and play styles are changeable. To clarify, I don't really like using meta in games, so thats where I'm coming from saying this.

No, I'm not just going off of town sentiments. J is scum and needs to die now.

Also, I provided quotes that had reasoning behind them how do I have no foundation?



I feel like you're being overly defensive right now but in the future I'll make sure to do that Ryker.

Using quotes doesn't mean that the reasoning is sound. Your first argument against J was that he was changing his play style for Gordito even though he though Gordito. However, you took the quotes and misconstrued them and completely ignored that J's post was sarcasm. This would be unfounded reasoning built upon faulty quotes.

 

[#HBC | J]

July, you like where my vote is, yes?

 

[giraffelasergun]

Then we are never getting a response from you. Alright you can die.

Unvote
Vote: GLG

I like how you're playing exactly like you did in bear and fish mafia.

And by like I mean just like you did then scum.

 

[giraffelasergun]

J why do you care?

If you really think I'm scum, why do you need others approval?

 

[#HBC | J]

GLG, am I buddying July?

So this is my B&F play? No. Is that your opinion? Yes.

Please bring substance and something work looking at.

 

[July]

July, you like where my vote is, yes?

Yes, I likes.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Yes, it is. You decide people are scum for stupid reasons and when people attack you you just call them dumb and hope it works and twist their arguments.

And answer the question. Why did you need to ask july if your vote was okay?

 

[#HBC | J]

Why did I not need to ask July if my vote was okay?

Did I say you were scum?
Point out where I twist arguments.
Point out where I "hope".
I know I have called some people dumb, however if you wanna play mafia in today's world, that is how you have to play.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I'll get to that later tonight, I'm busy right now.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Okay. I ended up playing the game yesterday thinking go against J, because I was annoyed by his play. I can see that that's not going to change any time soon, so, I might as well get used to it. So here it goes:

There's two people that stand out quite peculiarly (lol that's a word?): GLG, and maaaaybe KevinM, in that order... and Joey a bit, but not much cuz I'm taking it as dumb, but still.

Joey, his post just seem kinda carefree, and I'm not gonna take em into that much consideration YET. If he was many other people on this site, I'd look into it more carefully. Kevin just seems to be salty and possibly try'na be here without actually being here, but that's more of intuition rather than concrete evidence (well, the polly emotion thingy, but that's not something I'll call scum on).

GLG's not quite known as one of the better players to play this game here, but I think that he has a solid idea of what he's doing in a general sense of mafia. So it's gonna be hard to take the dumb > scum label here.

GLG came into the game with this quote:

Vote: J.

If you honestly think gordito is scum why do you decide to change things about your playstyle he particularly wants you too?

Dude, for all of the things that happened within the back-and-forth, you chose to take him changing of colour as a scum slip... and I don't even think you thought it was a scum slip to be quite honest. It was just a really bad way to put a vote on him, and yes... it's mad scummy.

Yes, I'm not going to bother reading a circle argument but those two posts really stick out too me and I will be focusing on them much more.

Here's where it's BAD. He's admitting to two things: NOT reading the thread in full, which btw GLG if you do read you'll see it's more than just some circle argument, and sheer laziness in that he saw me, Cello and Sword against J, and chose that wagon to hop on. He just noticed green -> pink and said oh hey let's use that.

Yes, I did not read a lot of the posts in the exchange between you and gordito, as all the ones I did read were scummy as hell.

I want you to point out every post you find to be "scummy as hell" in that "circle argument" for me.

Is there any reason you feel it necessary to twist peoples posts so that you asks questions that are excactly what they just said to make it look like you read when you add some part to it that you blatantly assumed?

How do you feel gaining information is possible, if questions aren't asked?

5) No, Gord is scum too. This is also another assumption you are making.

Wow... Umm, no. Now what you've done is either a) skim the thread a bit more and see that the wagon has shifted to me, or b) get slapped by your scum mate for doing this and are trying to gain townie points. If you can honestly say that you think our exchange was S v S, where we're both gonna put ourselves out there like that, you're sadly mistaken mang. On to the next guess.

I can't wait to see how badly I'll get ninja'd.

 

[smargaret]

J, you do realize that "Cello is Cello" is not a stance, correct? Is there a reason you aren't taking stances?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Not as many as I'd have thought.

And damn... J changed his post colour... I is sad.

No, I'm not just going off of town sentiments. J is scum and needs to die now.

Also, I provided quotes that had reasoning behind them how do I have no foundation?

Your reasoning for voting was his change in colour... that's not reasoning mang, and is a complete attempt of going off of town sentiments .

I'm feeling good about Ryker and Sword. July is fine and dandy too.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

J, you do realize that "Cello is Cello" is not a stance, correct? Is there a reason you aren't taking stances?

Could've sworn that Sword said that. But still, all that really tends to mean is Cello is playing like his normal town self. Usually when people say Cello's not playing like Cello, they tend to think he's scummy.

 

[#HBC | J]

You do realize that it's a joke in which he did the exact same thing so he asked for a stance so I gave him a stance in which he finds plausible.

To clarify, Cello is leaning town a bit.

Smarg, can you talk about GLG? Talk about July as well.

Gordito we expect to see something on Kevin as well?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gordito we expect to see something on Kevin as well?

It's a relitavely soft read, but I'll give you what I'm thinking, using quotes and shiz. Hold up.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gordito is scummier and I think he will flip anti-town, and with our gimme unless I see blatant scum I don't want polly emotion pants in a Mylo/Lylo situation

The end of this just comes off as trollin to me. Like, saying something that was relitavely town's opinion (J's and Cello's at the time), and then being kinda harsh. Like, from a town's perspective, it'd be a "Be townie enough to not get lynched but scummy enough to not get NK'd". As far as I know, I'm the only one that's ever used that logic, so I got ma eye on em.

 

[#HBC | J]

Like, saying something that was relitavely town's opinion (J's and Cello's at the time), and then being kinda harsh.

This is an interesting part.

Gord, so you think J and Cello are town? Since you said town's opinions are J and Cello's.
Why is your vote on me if you think I'm town if so.

 

[smargaret]

July has what, three posts in the thread so far? I can't get a solid read off of that. The one big post had some good points about GLG in it and some useless meta arguments that read as scum trying to appear useful, so he balances out to null at this point.

GLG and J are probably not the same alignment. GLG looks scummier than J at the moment; he looks like he's flailing around a bit. The point about tunneling J is bad. Very bad.

J, I mentioned it in my last post, but you haven't been taking stances. You've been asking a lot of questions and posting a lot, almost to the point of spamming the thread, but you aren't giving opinions of people to go along with them - even when you're asked. Is there a point to this?

 

[#HBC | J]

No one has bothered to ask me of my stances besides swords on Cello. I have also expressed the opinion to vote GLG and Gordito in which saying they should die. Are these not stances? I also answered your question as to Cello.

So if GLG were to pop town, would J = scum? If we cannot be of the same alignment.

July is a girl. Ran + July would be extremely awkward if she was not. I like your opinion on her though.

Would you be willing to pressure GLG instead of Gordito for the time being?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Unvote Vote GLG

Whatever whoever said.

 

[smargaret]

At this point, yes, I believe GLG town implies J scum. The interaction between the two strongly feels like SvT/TvS to me.

J, why should we have to ask you for your stances? Plenty of other people are providing stances without being asked, why are you the exception?

Gboy/GLG, what do you think about the other one?

vote change pending vote count, I don't trust myself to do one and I don't want to accidentally lynch someone.

 

[#HBC | J]

Smarg, so you are saying I should just expound all of my thoughts and write a town list and say if someone is scum or not? Why should I expell every single thought process from my head and especially on D1.

That is a very not smart inference of "one of GLG or J is mafia!" You are shutting yourself to other possibilities and it is close-minded. However as you have said, it's your opinion.

 

[July]

July has what, three posts in the thread so far? I can't get a solid read off of that. The one big post had some good points about GLG in it and some useless meta arguments that read as scum trying to appear useful, so he balances out to null at this point.

GLG and J are probably not the same alignment. GLG looks scummier than J at the moment; he looks like he's flailing around a bit. The point about tunneling J is bad. Very bad.

J, I mentioned it in my last post, but you haven't been taking stances. You've been asking a lot of questions and posting a lot, almost to the point of spamming the thread, but you aren't giving opinions of people to go along with them - even when you're asked. Is there a point to this?

I post when I have something to say, and/or when I have time.

Right now, GLG just keeps digging himself into a bigger hole, until he posts something comprehensive that J can't tear down in 2 minutes my opinion on him is still that he is quite scummy.

Gordito's dug deeper into the game toDay and give some reads and scum picks, and his point on KevinM was interesting, considering I honestly lost track of KevinM's posts in between Gord, GLG, and J.

I disagree that J isn't taking stances though, J's stance taking and scum-hunting seem to be coinciding. While I agree it is unlikely GLG and J are of the same alignment, J and Gord could be, shift in Gord's play toDay seems to indicate yesterday was a clash of play styles between the two, which could be TvT as well as TvS.

No one has bothered to ask me of my stances besides swords on Cello. I have also expressed the opinion to vote GLG and Gordito in which saying they should die. Are these not stances? I also answered your question as to Cello.

So if GLG were to pop town, would J = scum? If we cannot be of the same alignment.

July is a girl. Ran + July would be extremely awkward if she was not. I like your opinion on her though.

Would you be willing to pressure GLG instead of Gordito for the time being?

Alright, that can be fixed. J, thoughts on Smarg and KevinM?

Lol yeah I would say me being a girl is an important part of our relationship

 

[smargaret]

J, I'm not saying you need to write out every last stance - but providing some wouldn't be a bad thing. Similarly, I'm open to considering other people as scum, but right now you/GLG/Gboy are the most ... interesting? people to pressure/try to read. Also, you can't tunnel on more than one person in a game this size.

 

[KevinM]

Gordito finding me scummy off a really baseless assumption after I said he was scum... werd.

Seems pretty funny after calling out J on all that OMGUS for the first few days I would think.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@J and Ryker: I have expended upon what I meant. When I said "Cello is cello" I was saying that I had a town read on him. I admit that I shouldn't of assumed that you would get it, but what's done is done, and I have clarified it.

Now Cello stance please (either, town, null, or scum).

@Ryker: You could say that about half the players in this game at this point. So what is my stance count is low? Does that disquailfiy people from asking questions like that?

Also I do agree that I think GLG is really sketchy. His not providing reasoning for his stances is just plain determantial. Would go him or J as of now.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

My vote's not on GLG?

My bad.

Vote: GLG

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gord, so you think J and Cello are town? Since you said town's opinions are J and Cello's.
Why is your vote on me if you think I'm town if so.

I like the way you're putting things in the third person when regarding to yourself. It's funny. Just hope it doesn't get annoying :/.

Yes, I think you and Cello are town at this point.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gboy/GLG, what do you think about the other one?

I think my opinions clear in my #171.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J and Ryker: I have expended upon what I meant. When I said "Cello is cello" I was saying that I had a town read on him. I admit that I shouldn't of assumed that you would get it, but what's done is done, and I have clarified it.

Now Cello stance please (either, town, null, or scum).

To clarify, Cello is leaning town a bit.

Skim? I have clarified as well.

Alright, that can be fixed. J, thoughts on Smarg and KevinM?

Smarg is being weird. Null
Kevin has been not-helpful so far. Gonna say Null as well, need to see more.

J, I'm not saying you need to write out every last stance - but providing some wouldn't be a bad thing. Similarly, I'm open to considering other people as scum, but right now you/GLG/Gboy are the most ... interesting? people to pressure/try to read. Also, you can't tunnel on more than one person in a game this size.

I have provided stances so i have no clue what you are talking about.
I have not been tunneling just one person this entire game so far.

Smarg are you still comfortable with keeping your vote on Gordito and continue to pressure him?

GLG is at L-2.....

wow that was fast, careful with the votes.

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote

Precaution.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gordito finding me scummy off a really baseless assumption after I said he was scum... werd.

Seems pretty funny after calling out J on all that OMGUS for the first few days I would think.

Am I calling J, Cello, Ryker, and Smargz scummy? No. So you can't really call it OMGUS. I'm saying that the way you're seeming to play is a way I tend to play as well. I've been told that my town play is oddly scummy, and I can see where people are coming from. Is it an assumption? Uhh, yeea. But, the base is personal intuition. I'm not calling you scum... yet. But I can definitely see it as a possibility.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Gordito: Why did you even bother mentioning all of those people? It's clear you understand that Kevin meant himself.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Smart or Joey need to die tonight if at all possible.

 

[#HBC | J]

Add Ranmaru to that list Ryker.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Gordito: Why did you even bother mentioning all of those people? It's clear you understand that Kevin meant himself.

Dude's claiming OMGUS. If it were OMGUS, I could've gone for an easier target, like J, who some people are already finding scummy. But I don't have a scum read on all of the people who have a scum read on me.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Add Ranmaru to that list Ryker.

Forgot he was even in the game. Good call.

Gordito, metaing yourself means nothing, FYI.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

So then, would you not agree that what I pointed out is sketchy of him?

 

[#HBC | J]

Cello, what do you think of Ryker?

Joey/Ran, post.

Ryker, why did you choose to add Smarg to the list of people who need to die?