I think he's scum, but Swords has been more active and seems more likely to convince me otherwise tomorrow.
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Bingo, go die.So then, would you not agree that what I pointed out is sketchy of him?
Phone has lousy autocorrect. Smarg.Smargaret = Girl
Swords = Dude
Who are you talking about? You said smart in your list.
Nothing bad.J said:Cello, what do you think of Ryker?
Neither does J.Gordito said:But I don't have a scum read on all of the people who have a scum read on me.
I'm not saying J has a scum read on everyone who has a scum read on him...Cello said:Neither does J.
You were never suspicious of me, smargaret or ryker. So how could we have "OMGUSed" you? After all...Gordito said:I used you, J, smargz, and ryker iirc? as examples of people that I could've been "suspicious" of for OMGUS
I voted J, he voted me, you were suspicious of him. That was what set you off. That didn't happen with that list of people; what are you even saying?Dude. J. Good job OMGUSing. Please tell me why you voted Cello, cuz in that whole #16 I didn't see crap for reasoning.
I don't even know what's going on anymore @_@.Cello said:You were never suspicious of me, smargaret or ryker. So how could we have "OMGUSed" you? After all...
This quote is Kevin basically saying that I pulled suspicion of him out of thin air, and implying that it was merely OMGUS because he said I was scum.KevinM said:Gordito finding me scummy off a really baseless assumption after I said he was scum... werd.
Seems pretty funny after calling out J on all that OMGUS for the first few days I would think.
When I say this, I'm saying that all of these people have suspicion and scum reads of myself as well, but I'm currently calling every single one of THEM town, by process of elimination. So it's hard to call my suspicion of KevinM OMGUS.Gordito said:Am I calling J, Cello, Ryker, and Smargz scummy? No. So you can't really call it OMGUS.
Here, you're asking me why mention any of the following people at all, and I explain it here:Cello said:@Gordito: Why did you even bother mentioning all of those people? It's clear you understand that Kevin meant himself.
Here, I'm telling you that I was basically trying to show KevinM that there's no way my suspicion of him can be of OMGUS, because had I been scum, I could've easily fake scum hunted somebody else, like possibly J, and parrot. But I took an honest suspicion of mine and brought it out in the open. Why would scum verbally go after a player who, first of all, is known for being a good player around here, and second of all, has zero suspicion on him?Gordito said:Dude's claiming OMGUS. If it were OMGUS, I could've gone for an easier target, like J, who some people are already finding scummy. But I don't have a scum read on all of the people who have a scum read on me.
"A" "B", "C", "D", and "E" are red.Gordito said:When I say this, I'm saying that all of these people have suspicion and scum reads of myself as well, but I'm currently calling every single one of THEM town, by process of elimination. So it's hard to call my suspicion of KevinM OMGUS.
But that's NOT why I find em suspicious.Cello said:Kevin, Cello, J, Ryker, and smargaret find me suspicious.
I found Kevin suspicious for finding me suspicious.
But I didn't find Cello, J, Ryker, and smargaret suspicious for finding me suspicious.
So I didn't find Kevin suspicious for find me suspicious.
THAT's why I find em suspicious. As I've said, it's a relatively soft read, but still something that I'd refer back to if my suspicions raise.Gordito said:The end of this just comes off as trollin to me. Like, saying something that was relitavely town's opinion (J's and Cello's at the time), and then being kinda harsh. Like, from a town's perspective, it'd be a "Be townie enough to not get lynched but scummy enough to not get NK'd". As far as I know, I'm the only one that's ever used that logic, so I got ma eye on emKevinM said:Gordito is scummier and I think he will flip anti-town, and with our gimme unless I see blatant scum I don't want polly emotion pants in a Mylo/Lylo situation
I'm not voting em cuz it's not something that I'm gonna call scum on, and because GLG is way more obvious imho.Cello said:It might have been different if you had said that you didn't actually vote for him, but you accepted the rules put before you by accepting that the action you took was OMGUS. Fear the RIPR (Ring in Pocket Riddle).
So you do think that as scum I'd be ballsy enough to go after a town KevinM, especially since he was the town MVP in a game I hosted. K. I think that you're wrong, and if more people see my side, I think you'll understand where I'm coming from.Cello said:You're saying that you would have gone after easier targets as scum, but that's simply useless WIFOM when coming from you. If someone else believes that to be the case and says so, then that's at least a stance, from them.
No.Cello said:That, and you DID go after J at first. So that kinda kills your point, doesn't it?
Wow... I feel really bad I was about to chew Ran out for basically not being in the game, then I realize it started yesterday. Guess I can give a little Lee way but can't you do it today instead of just wasting our time.
@Gord thanks for earning my vote with your last couple really weak responses.
Vote Gordito
Wow, that's a lot of pot calling the kettle black for someone with seven posts and little content. Why does Ran get a pass for lurking because the game started yesterday yet these nebulous other players don't? You're doing the same thing you're calling people suspicious for; you're trying to look town and it isn't working.KevinM said:I feel like I'm seeing a lot of the same players posting and a few players weighing in and then running away from the conversation.
Where you at lurkers you tryin to lose the game for town?
Okay, thats not what I said at all. Theres a difference inbetween asking questions and J doing what I said he was doing, which is taking somesone post and using something they posted and turning it into the form of the question(see two points below) or adding something to what they said that just makes it sound like they're scummy.How do you feel gaining information is possible, if questions aren't asked?
I'm actually curious as to how/why you decided this?GLG and J are probably not the same alignment. GLG looks scummier than J at the moment; he looks like he's flailing around a bit. The point about tunneling J is bad. Very bad.
J what was the purpose of this question?
So if GLG were to pop town, would J = scum? If we cannot be of the same alignment.
You have a total of seven posts in this game and most your posts are a few lines do you really think you have the right to say this?I feel like I'm seeing a lot of the same players posting and a few players weighing in and then running away from the conversation.
Where you at lurkers you tryin to lose the game for town?
Easy target, meaning that there are a couple of people, like you and GLG (and possibly others that I can't remember), that already have suspicion of em and that I can just hop on that.Sword... I think... correct me if I'm wrong... said:@Gord: What makes you think that J is an "easy target?" What's your definition of that?
Also you saying that you wouldn't go after someone as scum is pretty WIFOMish.
J: Why did you do twist GLG's question on him? You should have answered it honestly. Please do. Even if you have already.
And answer the question. Why did you need to ask july if your vote was okay?
These are the two posts you are referring to correct? Twisting of his words is an ugly way to put what it was. It was a rebuttal to show how his question actually was interperated. His question holds no value besides the obvious, "I asked July a question, it wasn't a needed thing, and I wanted to see her opinion." However GLG asks this question in order to try and make it seem as if I am only asking it to buddy July and get on her good side which in all honesty is simply false. Let us take what I did which he refused to answer himself. Why not ask July if my vote was okay? In reality if she did not have a problem with it, why? This question is moot because she built a case on GLG. But, if she were to not like the vote, then one she would be hypocritical and two she would have to explain why she found it a bad place to post a vote.Why did I not need to ask July if my vote was okay?
Again, you are saying questions have to be asked in an exact cookie cutter way or else they are scum. You are tunneling me for not a single good reason and have yet pointed out why I am scum. If we are to point out the true twister in this game, it is you twisting my words to keep trying to make me sound worse when in fact it's just your tunneling in which you have no other train of thought besides, "J is scum, J is scum, J is scum. There is no one else, J is scum."To clarify: Good questions would be like "Dudeseph, who are your top three scumpicks?"
I'll get to the rest of this post with the J post.
It was to get a re-affirmation of Smargaret's thoughts to see if she were to actually say "One of GLG or J is scum." Which is what she said. Why did she make such a proclamation as to one of us MUST be scum? What if we were to both pop town? Also if one of us were to flip scum, that would clear the other in her mind correct? Or if the other one were to flip town then the other would be confirmed mafia correct? In her head mind you. So the overall purpose of that question was to see if she was willing to commit to such a bold statement that pretty much claims "One of the other HAS TO BE scum."GLG said:J what was the purpose of this question?
This is why you were ML'd in NBC maf.Joey said:You said you weren't going to go after me because of something. It's the only post on page 5 40ppp that you addressed me in. It's in the middle.
Kevin, it's SATURDAY on a forum for a COMPETETIVE VIDEOGAME. :X. Start going after inactives monday.
Vote: Gord.
Based on what is going on and your responces, I feel that you're the main person I feel safe contributing to lynching.
If my suspicions of you raise, I WILL use this against you because this is the most point-blank example of scum slipping up with words. If you're scum, your intent was to make it look like you're contributing by seeing that me, Cello, and possibly Sword were against J at the time, and hopping on that wagon. But for some reason you added the last part.Joey said:If I had to choose one of you two to be scum, it'd be J. idk right now though. Him being at L-3 this early is kinda rediculous lol.
Reading the thread now :3
I'm not gonna address this as a scum tell for you cuz you pulled crap like this in NBC maf, and I don't wanna risk the ML quite yet. It's D1.Joey said:Also, because I assumed since it was PAGE 2 that it was RVS and I could make a joke post. Kinda why I put the cat face lol.
LOL. Great start.Dude. J. Good job OMGUSing. Please tell me why you voted Cello, cuz in that whole #16 I didn't see crap for reasoning.
Town, what does the scouter say about his stupidity level? It's OVER 9000!!!!!Didn't think you did anything actually scummy.
Till your #20.
Now, ya get the vote.
Vote: J
And in no way was that vote RVS...
@ First Paragraph:You, and many others, have told me that you've dropped your little b**** persona. That's an actual slip from any normal player, which I suppose you're now trying to be.
My reasoning for voting? You didn't answer my legitimate question, and you're trying to use arrogance as a tool for getting popularity. You're not Cello bro.
@ Second Paragraph:Joey said:Town, what does the scouter say about his stupidity level? It's OVER 9000!!!!!
LOL. Hahahahaha. Oh my god this is awful. You're attacking him because he's trying to IMPROVE HIS PLAYSTYLE? Hahahahahaha. Go die. Three times would be amazing!I'd wake up.
J if you're town, please, go back to your b**** persona. Cuz at least when you were a little b****, you were pretty good at the game.
And now, you're being useless by posting this. >_>. Why would you say this if you didn't want an onslaught of questions. LOL STUPIDITY IS FUNOh lord I can't wait for the onslaught of questions by J due to my #47.
And now, this post.
Why did you say the middle line? It wasn't needed at all. Honestly it looks like you're trying to look like he's the one to blame for everything just because you agree with him. Still go die please?What do I think of Cello? I agree with em, so I doubt my answer's gonna make a difference, but I'm getting a good feel for him right now.
Ooh, mr jailhouse lawyer over here. I say if because I've been wrong on reads before. Big deal? Nah.
J, the sentence is the truth. Sure, your play was unorthodox, but you were good. You did well with your style.
You weren't in the argument at all. It was a pure Cello/J argument. Stop being wrong please? That would be amazing~I'm in the damn argument, how am I NOT commenting on anything?
And what compliments, aside from how I said your old play was good, are you talking about? I'm actually ridiculing you by saying that.
It doesn't. At all. This is from a reader's standpoint as well.Shut up. The fact that I'm posting and you're being aggressive toward me indicates me being in the argument.
I see a lotta nugs lookin, but not a lotta postin. And if I get ninja'd then -______-.
This game's gonna be really stupid isn't it?
Bean**** LOL. Sorry stars got to meWhat questions did I avoid? Those 3 were dumb questions. I've commented on you being scummy already and the whole 9 yards.
No you didn't invite me, but I saw your footprints on the magical yellow brick road and decided to follow it to your conversation. Happy with me answering your dumb question?
I commented plenty.
I pointed out the people cuz smargz and bean**** weren't responding and I saw em and I was like hmm...
LOL COLOR = AGRESSIVE. Worst part about this game: This post wasn't a joke. Oh my god this is hilarious. Asking a lot of questions =/= agressive.J, from the last I've seen you, the fact that you're not posting in pink is aggressive. And yes, you're trying to be very aggressive.
What do I hope to learn from smarg? She's smart, and I tend to agree with her when she's town. She'll keep me sane.
The fact that you don't care is a 100000000000000000% scum tell. My vote will be on you until D1 is over unless nolynch is about to occur.It wasn't evasive at all. I didn't avoid the question cuz I said this:
I didn't waste my time answering the invitation question cuz I didn't care to.
-insert stupidity level here-Cute, with the whole pink thing...
That's not the way I see it dude. The crap you're pulling now isn't the generally passive J I remember.
Cuz she mad cute. And cuz I've had experience with her and like the way she plays the game. You've seen me compliment her as town in the past genius. Remember DnD? Of course you do, you referenced it.
Cuz the result is me being a troll:
HE'S CHANGED MOVE ON PLEASE. People stop asking questions about J's playstyle please? It's really not important that he doesn't play like a ***** anymore since this isn't the first game it's occured in.I believe last game was... UPick maf? Yea, and when you relinquished your restriction, you became normal, iirc. In fact you apologized for being mean and shiz.
Smargz is p. smart, and I esp. got that impression when we hydra'd in halo. She pointed out the man being scummy RIGHT off the bat, even before we got the hydra QT up. And then I went on to convince her that Swiss was scum after the Zen ML (even though I was wrong about X1), and bla bla bla I think of Smargz like my checks and balances basically.
You're not a distraction... you're just bad. Joking aside this post is pretty legit.If this is serious, I wouldn't wanna lynch an inactive o'er here when we can get justifiable info for a lynch. A notorious distraction? ... Nah, cuz that'd probz end up being me. No but for srs, I don't think either way is a good outlook on a lynch. If it comes to that or NL, then take out the distraction, but that shouldn't be the case.
I will respond to bottom part laater because I'm looking at this without being able to see the quotes in the middle sooooo :XOkay. I ended up playing the game yesterday thinking go against J, because I was annoyed by his play. I can see that that's not going to change any time soon, so, I might as well get used to it. So here it goes:
There's two people that stand out quite peculiarly (lol that's a word?): GLG, and maaaaybe KevinM, in that order... and Joey a bit, but not much cuz I'm taking it as dumb, but still.
Joey, his post just seem kinda carefree, and I'm not gonna take em into that much consideration YET. If he was many other people on this site, I'd look into it more carefully. Kevin just seems to be salty and possibly try'na be here without actually being here, but that's more of intuition rather than concrete evidence (well, the polly emotion thingy, but that's not something I'll call scum on).
GLG's not quite known as one of the better players to play this game here, but I think that he has a solid idea of what he's doing in a general sense of mafia. So it's gonna be hard to take the dumb > scum label here.
GLG came into the game with this quote:
Dude, for all of the things that happened within the back-and-forth, you chose to take him changing of colour as a scum slip... and I don't even think you thought it was a scum slip to be quite honest. It was just a really bad way to put a vote on him, and yes... it's mad scummy.
Here's where it's BAD. He's admitting to two things: NOT reading the thread in full, which btw GLG if you do read you'll see it's more than just some circle argument, and sheer laziness in that he saw me, Cello and Sword against J, and chose that wagon to hop on. He just noticed green -> pink and said oh hey let's use that.
I want you to point out every post you find to be "scummy as hell" in that "circle argument" for me.
How do you feel gaining information is possible, if questions aren't asked?
Wow... Umm, no. Now what you've done is either a) skim the thread a bit more and see that the wagon has shifted to me, or b) get slapped by your scum mate for doing this and are trying to gain townie points. If you can honestly say that you think our exchange was S v S, where we're both gonna put ourselves out there like that, you're sadly mistaken mang. On to the next guess.
I can't wait to see how badly I'll get ninja'd.
Seriously if we don't lynch him in the next two days I'm done. YOU'RE FOCUSING ON IT STILL. Even if it's just a small comment you STILL ARE. UGH!!!Not as many as I'd have thought.
And damn... J changed his post colour... I is sad.
Your reasoning for voting was his change in colour... that's not reasoning mang, and is a complete attempt of going off of town sentiments.
I'm feeling good about Ryker and Sword. July is fine and dandy too.
More than 1 person said that. >_>.Could've sworn that Sword said that. But still, all that really tends to mean is Cello is playing like his normal town self. Usually when people say Cello's not playing like Cello, they tend to think he's scummy.
Is this at GLG? >_> If soo look belowThe end of this just comes off as trollin to me. Like, saying something that was relitavely town's opinion (J's and Cello's at the time), and then being kinda harsh. Like, from a town's perspective, it'd be a "Be townie enough to not get lynched but scummy enough to not get NK'd". As far as I know, I'm the only one that's ever used that logic, so I got ma eye on em.
-facepalm-My vote's not on GLG?
My bad.
Vote: GLG
Therefor it's a weakstance because you can't repeat if you think he's scummy or not.I think my opinions clear in my #171.
You obviously don't like him doing it because you commented on it. Still it's worthless.I like the way you're putting things in the third person when regarding to yourself. It's funny. Just hope it doesn't get annoying :/.
Yes, I think you and Cello are town at this point.
-insert stupidity level-.Am I calling J, Cello, Ryker, and Smargz scummy? No. So you can't really call it OMGUS. I'm saying that the way you're seeming to play is a way I tend to play as well. I've been told that my town play is oddly scummy, and I can see where people are coming from. Is it an assumption? Uhh, yeea. But, the base is personal intuition. I'm not calling you scum... yet. But I can definitely see it as a possibility.
Look at above responce. Maybe I'm understanding OMGUS wrong.Dude's claiming OMGUS. If it were OMGUS, I could've gone for an easier target, like J, who some people are already finding scummy. But I don't have a scum read on all of the people who have a scum read on me.
Oh my god I totally don't understand omgus LOLI'm not saying J has a scum read on everyone who has a scum read on him...
Kevin was implying that my suspicion of him was because he cast suspicion on me. I used you, J, smargz, and ryker iirc? as examples of people that I could've been "suspicious" of for OMGUS reasoning. But I actually DO feel weary about Kevin for reasons previously stated, rather than just to pull OMGUS.
I don't even know what's going on anymore @_@.
This quote is Kevin basically saying that I pulled suspicion of him out of thin air, and implying that it was merely OMGUS because he said I was scum.
When I say this, I'm saying that all of these people have suspicion and scum reads of myself as well, but I'm currently calling every single one of THEM town, by process of elimination. So it's hard to call my suspicion of KevinM OMGUS.
Here, you're asking me why mention any of the following people at all, and I explain it here:
Here, I'm telling you that I was basically trying to show KevinM that there's no way my suspicion of him can be of OMGUS, because had I been scum, I could've easily fake scum hunted somebody else, like possibly J, and parrot. But I took an honest suspicion of mine and brought it out in the open. Why would scum verbally go after a player who, first of all, is known for being a good player around here, and second of all, has zero suspicion on him?
From there, it starts getting confusing for me, cuz it seems like you think I'm calling J scum, or something, in your 207. And then from there, in your 209, you misunderstood what I meant by "I used you, J, smargz, and ryker iirc? as examples of people that I could've been "suspicious" of for OMGUS". I meant that I could've OMGUS suspected you guys, not that I think you were OMGUS suspecting me.
I hope this clears things up.
Lotsa quotes, I'll respond to these later with the one above.But that's NOT why I find em suspicious.
THAT's why I find em suspicious. As I've said, it's a relatively soft read, but still something that I'd refer back to if my suspicions raise.
I'm not voting em cuz it's not something that I'm gonna call scum on, and because GLG is way more obvious imho.
So you do think that as scum I'd be ballsy enough to go after a town KevinM, especially since he was the town MVP in a game I hosted. K. I think that you're wrong, and if more people see my side, I think you'll understand where I'm coming from.
No.
I was the third living player to post in the game, and the third to say something non-RVS related. The only other two players were already biting at eachother, and I found it that you were town and he was scum. Yesterday came around, and I took off all suspicion from the "easy target", admitting that it was mostly fueled by being annoyed, and went in another direction. I could've easily stayed on the "easy target".
Lol at "It's like the truth mang" because everyone totally thinks the same way that you do.Easy target, meaning that there are a couple of people, like you and GLG (and possibly others that I can't remember), that already have suspicion of em and that I can just hop on that.
And yea it's WIFOMish but you know it's like the truth mang.
I wasn't mislynched in NBC over that.This is why you were ML'd in NBC maf.
First of all, I'm not going to go after you because in order of suspicions, you're third, and in an open setup of two scum, it'd be silly of me to go after three people. Let's get that part out of the way. Second of all, your performance in other games leads me to believe that there's a damn good chance of dumb > scum. I'm not gonna address your laziness to read the thread cuz you're a 16 year old kid, we tend to get mad lazy... and I hope that you'll read the thread soonish.
If my suspicions of you raise, I WILL use this against you because this is the most point-blank example of scum slipping up with words. If you're scum, your intent was to make it look like you're contributing by seeing that me, Cello, and possibly Sword were against J at the time, and hopping on that wagon. But for some reason you added the last part.
I'm not gonna address this as a scum tell for you cuz you pulled crap like this in NBC maf, and I don't wanna risk the ML quite yet. It's D1.
To conclude, I'm not going after you cuz there's only two scum in the game, and cuz I don't wanna risk MLing you, cuz it might happening considering your meta.
What was that?KevinM said:Reminds me of the "Don't even have to say it" episode with KK >_>.
This line struck me wrong.Based on what is going on and your responces, I feel that you're the main person I feel safe contributing to lynching.
How do these two things work? If you have me as 100% town then how can you have someone way more townie then 100%?Lemme tell you something. This is the first game that I believe to have J town 100%.
2)I think Cello is townie way more often than I do J.