Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[#HBC | J]

Taking post from Kuzi.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kevin, why are you not voting Gordito or J if you have scum reads on them.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Day 1 - Votecount 2 (6/11)

J (3): Gordito, Sworddancer., giraffelasergun
smargaret (0):
Ranmaru (0):
-Joey- (0):
Gordito (3): J, Cello_Marl, smargaret
July (0):
Sworddancer. (1): Ranmaru
Cello_Marl (0):
Ryker (0):
KevinM (0):
giraffelasergun (0):

Not Voting (4): -Joey-, July, Ryker, KevinM

Deadline: 02.20.11 11:59PM EST​

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Hmm more biting, less barking.

How are you in the argument? Did me and Cello invite you into our conversation? Where did you comment again?

Point out your substance posts please.

Also ridiculing? You've lost your touch.

I soooo would've beaten you to that bark/bite line if I had my internet.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I think Cello is acting townish. Cello has a personality unlike anyone here, so for him to be acting like his usual self is an indicator of towniness.

J just a moment I'll get right back to you.

So, as acumen you wouldn't strive to play like your usual self.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Autocorrect slaughtered the word scum.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

So why do you think Cello's delving into all of my questions that were not related to him? My initial RVS post was my questions but my next point which rebuttaled Cello was RVS. I voted Gordito for RVS but as I keep on hearing what he has to say, I am more content with my vote on him. It was not OMGUS. You misunderstood because I did call that initial action scummy. It is not based on meta.

Town is supposed to scumhunt but they also seem to hold a bit more compassion whereas you voted me to shut me up as you have said instead of trying to "control" someone you thought was being over-aggressive.



How are his posts town and mine not? Could you do a compare/contrast on how Cello = town and J = scum from that?

KevinM/Smarg/July/Ran = Talk about GLG's post. What do you think of it?

Okay. Do you understand my point about you overreacting? As in, do you understand where I'm coming from? (serious question, not trying to sound offensive here).

I did not vote you to "shut you up," I voted you because I thought you were acting scummy. Why wouldn't I place my vote on who I think is scummy?

Cello I'm use to him acting like this as town, plus everyone always talks about how he acts like this as town. This is why even though both of your interactions are fundermantly the same I have gotten different reads out of them.
I have no idea how you act as scum or really barely even town tbh so your opening posts took me by surprise. Since I have no clear definite meta to counter balance any of my reads on you, I took it as typical scummy over-reaction.

@Ryker:

No, I would not lynch inactives.

Also, the thing about Cello that I've kind of picked up from being in/seeing games from him is that he does not appear interested unless he is town.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

That, indeed. At any rate, if we're lucky, we can always rely on Ryker as a hard-carry.

Still, train wrecks are so fun to watch.

As of this moment, where do you think would the vote is best placed: Gordito or J?

Damn straight you can.

 

[#HBC | J]

Okay. Do you understand my point about you overreacting? As in, do you understand where I'm coming from? (serious question, not trying to sound offensive here).

I understand where you are coming from.

I did not vote you to "shut you up," I voted you because I thought you were acting scummy. Why wouldn't I place my vote on who I think is scummy?

Cello I'm use to him acting like this as town, plus everyone always talks about how he acts like this as town. This is why even though both of your interactions are fundermantly the same I have gotten different reads out of them.
I have no idea how you act as scum or really barely even town tbh so your opening posts took me by surprise. Since I have no clear definite meta to counter balance any of my reads on you, I took it as typical scummy over-reaction.

So the reason you ARE clearing Cello as town in your mind is because of meta. Two people act exactly the same way to each other. However you know one person better so you assume they are town and the other as scum. So my play was typical scum play? But for Cello it's a town read.....

You're being hypocritical and biased to meta. You understand where I'm coming from?

Is this correct? If you say otherwise you are lieing because you just said this in the above quoted post.

Point out which posts are scum and explain why you believe me to be mafia.

Bolded section: Why did you find the need to say "well everyone does it so don't blame me for going along with it!"

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Can I vote Swordito?

I'll vote Gordito.

GLG can follow him into hell, btw.

 

[#HBC | J]

I am really liking Ryker.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm caught up. You have about three minutes to ask any questions before I'm offline until tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I am really liking Ryker.

I like your playstyle in any case.

 

[#HBC | J]

Alright, careful with votes now.

We have one person (Gordito) at L-2.

Another person (J) at L-3.

Need to start getting careful. We have tons of time still.

 

[#HBC | J]

I like your playstyle in any case.

So you agree that Swords/GLG/Gordito are the scummiest people at the moment?

Whatcha think of KevinM?[

Alot of people prefer this playstyle.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Better than the scumspects already listed, so I'm not going there.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Alright, careful with votes now.

We have one person (Gordito) at L-2.

Another person (J) at L-3.

Need to start getting careful. We have tons of time still.

Since I nay be off until I wake up Saturday (doubtful but possible) my vote stays, so look elsewhere if a retract is needed to avoid a possible self hammer quick lynch.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Ryker according to that, if we lynch an inactive that would be you to my knowledge since you were replaced in all the games I was supposed to be in with you.

@KevinM: Don't wanna lynch J anymore.

@Ryker: I think Sword's read of me is null.

 

[#HBC | J]

One of Gordito/Swords/GLG have scum.

Cello do you agree to this logic?

 

[#HBC | J]

Ryker's vote isn't gonna count due to the fact it doesn't have the vote part bolded.

Two people at L-3 then.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I wouldn't say logic, but yeah, I agree with that sentiment.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I understand where you are coming from.





So the reason you ARE clearing Cello as town in your mind is because of meta. Two people act exactly the same way to each other. However you know one person better so you assume they are town and the other as scum. So my play was typical scum play? But for Cello it's a town read.....

You're being hypocritical and biased to meta. You understand where I'm coming from?

Is this correct? If you say otherwise you are lieing because you just said this in the above quoted post.

Point out which posts are scum and explain why you believe me to be mafia.

Bolded section: Why did you find the need to say "well everyone does it so don't blame me for going along with it!"

1. I'm not clearing Cello, I just have a town read on him.
2. Yes, I'm biased towards meta, especially Cello's. Don't see how that makes me a hypocrite, though. You see, I'm not using meta towards you, since I don't really have any. I was just using a general tell.
3. Your 16, your 27, and your general little argument with Cello that lasted about ten posts. I think I've already stated this. I thought it was scummy because it was an overeaction. I've alreay explained this.

Bolded section: Well, I've always HAVE seen people talk about it, also you cannot honestly just assume my intent there. J, if everyone talks about person X and saids that person X also does thing y as town, then wouldn't you at least lean towards thinking person X was town if you saw them do thing y?

 

[giraffelasergun]

So you openly admit to not reading and you don't plan on reading? Also you admit to tunnel those two posts till you get as much as you can from squeezing them dry? Alright.

Yes, I did not read a lot of the posts in the exchange between you and gordito, as all the ones I did read were scummy as hell.
I will tunnel you until find it necessary to stop.
Is there any reason you feel it necessary to twist peoples posts so that you asks questions that are excactly what they just said to make it look like you read when you add some part to it that you blatantly assumed?

I am really liking Ryker.

I like your playstyle in any case.

Oh okay.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes, I did not read a lot of the posts in the exchange between you and gordito, as all the ones I did read were scummy as hell.
I will tunnel you until find it necessary to stop.
Is there any reason you feel it necessary to twist peoples posts so that you asks questions that are excactly what they just said to make it look like you read when you add some part to it that you blatantly assumed?

What are you even talking about in this post?

1.) I had an exchange with CELLO_MARL. Not with Gordito. Shows your paying attention. Alright.
2.) Why will you tunnel me? Tunneling is bad.
3.) Point out where I'm twisting words.
4.) Point out where I'm assuming.
5.) So only my posts were scummy where you see Gordito's posts as brownie townie?

Oh okay.

Why comment on those two posts?

 

[KevinM]

I was calling you polly emotion pants since you were talking about claiming and voting yourself on D1.

I also am not voting because there isn't a reason to on the first day with so many votes being thrown around.

 

[#HBC | J]

That makes me laugh Kevin.

You haven't played or seen me play before have you?

That "emotional" stunt as you call has no emotion in it by any means. (and with a comparison to some of my moves then that is even a smaller "emotional" thing.)

I used to be the AtE king of DGames. I stopped because I got tired of things.

Kevin, why did you not talk about GLG? Talk about Swords as well.

 

[giraffelasergun]

What are you even talking about in this post?

1.) I had an exchange with CELLO_MARL. Not with Gordito. Shows your paying attention. Alright.
2.) Why will you tunnel me? Tunneling is bad.
3.) Point out where I'm twisting words.
4.) Point out where I'm assuming.
5.) So only my posts were scummy where you see Gordito's posts as brownie townie?



Why comment on those two posts?

1) Your exchanged started with cello, but later you turned into an exchange with Gordito.
2) I'm tunneling you because you're scum.
3)

So you openly admit to not reading and you don't plan on reading? Also you admit to tunnel those two posts till you get as much as you can from squeezing them dry? Alright.

What is the last game you played with me? I began playing this way after a game I'm not talking about. So agressive J = Scum J? You're lieing.

Gord said it was a change in the J he knew, not that you were scum.
4)

So Swords you are using meta to clear yourself on Cello and not based on his actions?

5) No, Gord is scum too. This is also another assumption you are making.
6) too show the buddy buddy love between you and ryker.

 

[#HBC | J]

1) Your exchanged started with cello, but later you turned into an exchange with Gordito.

.....I'm gonna let you re-think this point.

2) I'm tunneling you because you're scum.

You've yet to show why and just keep saying I'm scum.

3)

You said you did not have to read anything more then those two posts to know that I was scum. That's not reading. You have yet to say you were going to read.

Gord said it was a change in the J he knew, not that you were scum.

He said my pay was different from my passive normal playstyle and he said the apparant aggressiveness of my posts referred to scumJ. Now who is the one twisting words, defending Gord?

4)

Yes, that's a question. Where is assuming? Why did you not just quote the post where I called Swords out for his Cello clear on meta instead of that weak post. You could have made your point better but you are trying to twist what you can to make it look like I'm assuming. Doing a poor job albeit by the way.

5) No, Gord is scum too. This is also another assumption you are making.

Wait....so the scum-team in your head is J/Gord....? You need help. So your assumption is that this entire thing is a scum-gambit between the two of us?

6) too show the buddy buddy love between you and ryker.

Yet you choose not to point out Gordito's attempt to buddy me and buddy Smarg. Why leave that out? Also so you assume Ryker is scum as well?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

GLg, if you want to say something about my alignment, please say it and stop trying to link me to J.

vote gordito

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@KevinM: Don't wanna lynch J anymore.

@Ryker: I think Sword's read of me is null.

And this matters to me because,...

 

[July]

My oh my who would have done such a thing. Such a terrible terrible thing.

I'd bet it was...

July, I want you to keep an eye on Ranmaru and vice versa. What would you be looking for in each other? Don't say. Just look. Then say later.

Can do, as in I will keep an eye on everyone. Ran included.

A lot of my point boils down to the fact that you are using loaded language to attack players that you don't have any reason to find scummy. That, more than anything, is representative of your attitude toward this game, instead of gathering information. An attitude that individual actions matter simply for themselves instead of in context.

"Gordito automatically call me out on OMGUS and that I am already scum"
"Also you should know by this point what I am doing with Cello_Marl."
"You should know alot better my stance on OMGUS being my scum buddy long ago"
"...are you going to tunnel me like our last encounter in DnD?"
"Threatening? No. Simple question. Questions are pointless? Sounds hypocritical coming from someone who just asked some questions to July/Ran."
"What is scummy about my #20? Should I be lynched straight off because of that?"
"So are you telling me I should read the book forwards because it is the way it makes sense to a specific person? I disagree."

Your reactions are quite aggressive and confrontational; honestly I'm alright with that, but I don't like that the majority of this post is just explaining your own actions or pushing the blame onto Cello for them being misconstrued by saying he should know.

Btw Ran is irl bf of July? I did not know this.

Yep yep

I did not know I was getting heated?
Do my posts come out hostile to you?
And does my posting have to seem very RVS as in it should be template version like yours and Rans and Gorditos?

Swords, did you vote me to cool me down?

Doesn't a vote normally raise anxiety in someone and make them more worried about being lynched?

I don't see the value of asking most of these questions. I can't actually tell if you were heated, but it seemed like it reading over the interactions because your response were not just hostile, but defensive.

So Swords you are using meta to clear yourself on Cello and not based on his actions?

And I can wait till 2/20 where that is the longest time till my lynch cannot be postponed too.

Cello, I agree to your response.

There is an attitude shift here towards Cello and towards the game in general; right around the time you lay off of Cello the sense of hostility in your posts also diminishes. It makes me think that you have a confident read on Cello, and you hint at that in post #61, so why do you avoid explicitly sharing your thoughts on Cello?

What questions did I avoid? Those 3 were dumb questions. I've commented on you being scummy already and the whole 9 yards.

Really, that was the whole nine yards? Because I saw an extensive attack on how J's play style is worse now, some criticism for voting Cello with crap reasoning, and this: "You didn't answer my legitimate question, and you're trying to use arrogance as a tool for getting popularity. You're not Cello bro." in post #30, which really bothers me btw.

Why do you feel like you have to point out to us that your question is legitimate? J did answer the question, just not to your satisfaction, and you once again just bust on J's play style for being arrogant. Really it seemed like you were just feeding off Cello's work in grilling J.

Cute, with the whole pink thing...



That's not the way I see it dude. The crap you're pulling now isn't the generally passive J I remember.



Cuz she mad cute. And cuz I've had experience with her and like the way she plays the game. You've seen me compliment her as town in the past genius. Remember DnD? Of course you do, you referenced it.



Cuz the result is me being a troll:

What substance is there in this post? Seriously, you get upset for someone (I'm guessing J) saying you are not commenting on anything in post #66 but then you just continue to add nothing to the conversation except for how great of a player smarg is, which idk how thats going to help, unless you are trying to preemptively assure her you are on her side and not scum before she can post.

How are his posts town and mine not? Could you do a compare/contrast on how Cello = town and J = scum from that?

KevinM/Smarg/July/Ran = Talk about GLG's post. What do you think of it?

Difference between your posts and Cello's posts were that Cello spent most of the time attacking you and you spent more time defending yourself than attacking him (or anyone else really). I understand the need to clarify things but self-defense became your focus instead of scum-hunting.

As for GLG's post:

Yes, I'm not going to bother reading a circle argument but those two posts really stick out too me and I will be focusing on them much more.

Sketchy. There is not even the intent to understand the argument that just went on and instead he plans to just blindly push based on those two posts. That's not scum-hunting, that's not informed decision making...even if its not scummy its not going to be useful for the town.

That's where I got to, more content coming but right now Gord is scummy, and GLG is, if not scummy, at least not helping town. J is actually pretty null for me, I don't like the defensive nature but I would expect J to be more confident and persistent in his reads as scum.

 

[Cello_Marl]

And this matters to me because,...

It doesn't, if the only reason you want to vote for Sworddancer is because he didn't have an opinion on Gordito. I thought it was both for that and for what he had to say about me.

 

[July]

So you agree that Swords/GLG/Gordito are the scummiest people at the moment?

Agreed with GLG/Gordito, but I fail to see what Swords has done that is explicitly scummy.

Bolded section: Well, I've always HAVE seen people talk about it, also you cannot honestly just assume my intent there. J, if everyone talks about person X and saids that person X also does thing y as town, then wouldn't you at least lean towards thinking person X was town if you saw them do thing y?

The problem is people adapt, and especially if it is well known that a player behaves a certain way as town, that player knows that all they have to do is play that way as scum to throw off people's reads.

1) Your exchanged started with cello, but later you turned into an exchange with Gordito.
2) I'm tunneling you because you're scum.
3)



Gord said it was a change in the J he knew, not that you were scum.
4)
5) No, Gord is scum too. This is also another assumption you are making.
6) too show the buddy buddy love between you and ryker.

What? First of all, you already said you were going to tunnel based on those two posts, and unless one of those literally said "I'm scum!" I highly doubt you are making your own judgment by calling J scum, you are just feeding off town sentiments.

Then more uninformed accusations by calling Gord scum WITH J...the past #150 posts beg to differ.

And now ryker and J are buddies as well, based on one interaction, but completely disregarding ryker's other input and interactions thus far.

Vote: GLG

You are making accusations with no foundation, as long as they push along your theory that J and Gord are scum.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@July: Okay, but why now? If you've seen someone do something a hundred times, why would they change it the 101est time? This is pretty much the point I'm trying to make.

@J: Your 61, I just realized that you never actually gave a stance on Cello. What is your stance on Cello right now?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lol this from the guy who's stance was Cello is Cello. I still would like to see a concrete stance from you.

@July: Okay, but why now? If you've seen someone do something a hundred times, why would they change it the 101est time? This is pretty much the point I'm trying to make.

@J: Your 61, I just realized that you never actually gave a stance on Cello. What is your stance on Cello right now?

 

[giraffelasergun]

What? First of all, you already said you were going to tunnel based on those two posts, and unless one of those literally said "I'm scum!" I highly doubt you are making your own judgment by calling J scum, you are just feeding off town sentiments.

You are making accusations with no foundation, as long as they push along your theory that J and Gord are scum.

No, I'm not just going off of town sentiments. J is scum and needs to die now.

Also, I provided quotes that had reasoning behind them how do I have no foundation?

GLg, if you want to say something about my alignment, please say it and stop trying to link me to J.

vote gordito

I feel like you're being overly defensive right now but in the future I'll make sure to do that Ryker.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lol this from the guy who's stance was Cello is Cello. I still would like to see a concrete stance from you.

@July: Okay, but why now? If you've seen someone do something a hundred times, why would they change it the 101est time? This is pretty much the point I'm trying to make.

@J: Your 61, I just realized that you never actually gave a stance on Cello. What is your stance on Cello right now?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Damn this phone.

Just wanted to point out that GLG is spreading FUD aimed at me.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: Your 61, I just realized that you never actually gave a stance on Cello. What is your stance on Cello right now?

You just realized? Cello is Cello. July is July. Gordito is Gordito.

This is good answer, no?

No, I'm not just going off of town sentiments. J is scum and needs to die now.

Why does J need to die?

Also, I provided quotes that had reasoning behind them how do I have no foundation?

You had foundation? No. You had good quotes? No.

I feel like you're being overly defensive right now but in the future I'll make sure to do that Ryker.

What? You're wrong.

GLG, why did you refuse to respond to my post in which refuted your points?

 

[giraffelasergun]

GLG, why did you refuse to respond to my post in which refuted your points?

I'll respond to your post once everyone of your refutes doesn't imply that i'm mentally ********.

@Ryker: I made a slight hint that you and J were buddying and your immediate response was "judge me because of me". How is that not defensive?