Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

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Day 1 - Votecount 5 (6/11)

J (2): Sworddancer., giraffelasergun
smargaret (1): July
Ranmaru (0):
-Joey- (0):
Gordito (5): Cello_Marl, Ryker, KevinM, -Joey-, J
July (0):
Sworddancer. (1): Ranmaru
Cello_Marl (0):
Ryker (0):
KevinM (1): smargaret
giraffelasergun (1): Gordito

Not Voting (0):

Deadline: 02.20.11 11:59PM EST​

 

[Dooms]

The personal attacks/jokes were supposed to be entertaining since I knew that it would be a very long post. Plus I needed some type of humor to get myself to read through your posts and post that. Sorry if the comments were offensive in any way, shape, or form.

Kevin, stupidity level isn't part of my case.

My stance has not changed.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@KevinM

I still think GLG's a top suspicion. He's done nothing to make me think otherwise. At the same time, I think you are really suspicious. After I said my piece for you, you've done nothing but try to belittle others and play on the sidelines of every scenario you've involved yourself in. You're acting scummy and if you're not scum, then you're just really detrimental town. Obviously I'm more inclined to believe the former.

Gotta go to bed. Responding to others later.

 

[KevinM]

You're clearly skimming, just because I don't make my case on someone everytime they post something scummy, me quoting it and mentioning it's scummy should be enough for you to make a note of it.

I don't have to make overextended cases that water down what I'm trying to say with useless fluff. A lot of the newbies want everything hand fed to them apparantly but you gotta look at stuff and draw conclusions because otherwise you can't make your own reads.

If I spoonfeed you not only the read, but why I think that, where I see it from, what you should think, and who you should think about... I no longer have a solid read!

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Am I who you want dead toDay? If not, would you mind making a solid case on somebody?

 

[ranmaru]

@KevinM: There is nothing to draw conclusions from wrt to your posts. We may be newbies but we as town need info, and you seem reluctant to even give a reason for a read. You are confusing town, and therefore useless.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Ranmaru, Gordito and whoever else this may apply to: KevinM is going to play the way he is going to play, just as each and every one of the rest of you will. Do you really need to know why he is doing what he is doing beyond what he has shown? Is it not enough that he does it? You seem to have already formed opinions on that; isn't that what you wanted from him? To have enough information to form an opinion of his slot? If you want more, explain why and put your vote on him until you get what you want. If you don't think it's worth going that far, then don't, and move on to something else.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Joey case part 2...

Therefor it's a weakstance because you can't repeat if you think he's scummy or not.

No.

-Wrt the OMGUS thing as a whole-

OMGUS is an acronym for Oh My God You Suck- basically, calling someone scummy for them calling you scummy. With that in mind, it should all make sense.

Lol at "It's like the truth mang" because everyone totally thinks the same way that you do.

If you just "hop on that", then how does that effect you, anyways? In a bad way I'm assuming.

'Course in a bad way.

And for the rest of the bottom, can you do me a favour and put the responces with their respective quotes? It's just kinda weird for me to read it and respond to it.

I don't think you're scum, much, anymore. I still GMEOY, but you've cleaned up pretty well. At least you proved that you'll put in the effort and dedicate to this game. KevinM is more than an ehh to me now, cuz it just feels like he's watching the game unfold while putting in side commentary, and saying some obligitory notion every now and then to make it seem like he's part of the game. KevinM, when you basically say that you'll NOT contribute to the game if, and when, asked, then you're not helping town. Do you not get that? You can give a little without giving the whole thing. And now I'mma listen to Cello and not go on much more with it cuz you're not my top concern.

 

[ranmaru]

True. We as town need help, but Kevin's anti-town nature will be noted.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@Ranmaru, Gordito and whoever else this may apply to: KevinM is going to play the way he is going to play, just as each and every one of the rest of you will. Do you really need to know why he is doing what he is doing beyond what he has shown? Is it not enough that he does it? You seem to have already formed opinions on that; isn't that what you wanted from him? To have enough information to form an opinion of his slot? If you want more, explain why and put your vote on him until you get what you want. If you don't think it's worth going that far, then don't, and move on to something else.

Good post.

ISOed July. Didn't see much. A lot of things that I don't care about and two off color posts, but not nearly as bad as some others.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Um, so I had a big post but it got deleted.

Luckily I had a lot of it saved in notepad (lol) so it should be up shortly.

First though, two questions:

@Ran: You said you thought KevinM was "useless town" but now you think he's anti-town? Am I reading that right? What changed your mind?

@Gord: What do you think about Ryker? Would you say that he has been playing a very sideline game himself?

 

[ranmaru]

Isn't that the same thing? Anti-town as in not being helpful to town. Basically he is just sitting there. That is why I'm fine with getting rid of him eventually.

Also ... I think you should just start over. Note pad messes with the format. It's scary. ;-;

Also I'll hope you respond to me about J.

 

[Tandora]

GLG has been prodded.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sorry I'm just now responding. I was bumraped by homework yesturday and got mad lazy about mafia so yeah.

Only responding to the parts addressed to me (obviously).

I don't like this about Swords AT ALL. Swords, DIE. You are just pressuring him when he is vulnerable.

I was not "just" pressuring him, I've actually made a case against him and thus laid my vote on him because I thought he was scummy at the time (see bottom of post). Why do you think I was "just" pressuring him? What do you mean he was vulnerable? Are you referring to the fact that he already had two votes on him? If so, then so what? People have been being voted by multiple people in a short period of time frequantly. What makes my vote stand out?

CELLO IS CELLO IS CELLO IS CELLO ON A MELLO WELLO COULD KEEP SOME JELLO EWW YELLO OH HELLO! YES HE IS A NICE FELLOW ;D



He is NOT confirmed town. We don't know this as town. So don't try to give him an indicator of towniness from meta or what people say. Even if his play is consistent over many games, we as town would be dumb not to evaluate his CURRENT play to see what his intentions would be.

Again, I did NOT clear Cello, I merely held a town read on him based off of meta. Don't assume that I won't be evaluating his play or anyone elses only on meta.

Basically, how are we so sure he doesn't like being scum, and therefore lurks? So when he isn't lurking, he obviously is liking his role.

Hey, I used to loathe snickers. Over time, I liked snickers.

Could this happen to Cellowello?

Okay, I explained this to July already. Why now? When you've seen it happen a lot, then it gets to the point that anything different surprises you.

Also, again, I've only used meta to start off. I'm not just using that.

Cello isn't automatically town from your observation of his preferences. That doesn't change his intent. J isn't scummy for 'over-reacting'. He was being pressured and you felt it was ok to "help" cello to pressure him with just a "over-reaction". For this, you must DIE.

First the first part, see above.

For the second part, I will say that he had two votes on him and after the first vote made one very large post (taking in the context of the situation) rebutting it. It definitely seemed like an "over-reaction" to me.

Swords/Gordito can go in that order. J should not go. Cello is null like GLG. One easy stance, one wrong stance.

What are you referring to when you say "one easy stance, on wrong stance?" How do you know that the stance (whatever you are referring to) is wrong?

Ran, a lot of your case against me lacks evidence. You've just threw out a bunch of accustions and didn't back them up with reasoning. Do that and then we're talk.

---

About Gord. I think him to be moderatly scummy. Main points against him is that is:

-Vote is on GLG, an inactive, and thus is not useful.
-The "knowing" too much information part.
-Backing off from J only after a day is also a bit sketchy. His explanation seems beliveable enough, but put togather that he jumped right on the other most popluar wagon right after still raises my eyebrow.

@GBoy: Justify your vote on GLG. If he's inactive, why vote for him? How is that usful?

Also, respond to the "knowing too much part" if you'll please.

So yeah, I wouldn't mind him gone toDay, but I want to focus on a couple of others.

First Smag. Gord's mention of you as town makes me feel a bit better about you by defualt. However, besides from that, you have been acting pretty scummy. I do not like the very "under the radar" game you have been playing. You seem very reluctant to get dirt on your hands and that, ironically, makes you pretty scummy. You're not being helpful and you're not doing anything to progress your reads. Disguarding Gords comments, you're looking pretty bad.

Ryker is also someone I'm not liking too much. The same way Gord said KevinM was playing on the sidelines, I also believe Ryker is doing. For lack of a better term, he's playing the "middle man." I can not recall this guy asking questions, just pointing stuff out. That's only half of the work.

KevinM is KevinM

KevinM is indeed pretty much acting like Ryker. I know KevinM is known for doing this but I've seen better from him.

Joey is worrisome. I want to see Gord's flip before I accuse him of anything but he has been tunneling Gord a lot. Like, that's practically the only person he has talked about. Plus the vote on him before reading was scummy.

GLG is still sketchy, plus I've looked at his profile and he was on yesturday, but he didn't post anything. Huh.

Also J . . .

unvote

I still don't like his early play, but there's nothing about his play now that's scummy so I don't think he deserves my vote anymore.

@J: Why the July hate?

vote Smag

Whay haven't you been useful, at all? Why do you fail at actually trying to contribute an effort?

fos Ryker
fos J (for earlier)

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Isn't that the same thing? Anti-town as in not being helpful to town. Basically he is just sitting there. That is why I'm fine with getting rid of him eventually.

Also ... I think you should just start over. Note pad messes with the format. It's scary. ;-;

Also I'll hope you respond to me about J.

I suppose you could define it like that. Usually when I think anti-town I think of someone working against the town.

Are you talking about the part in the case, or are you referring to something else?

Btw there is no way I would retype all of that.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Hi Sword. If you need me, I'll be over here on the sideline waiting for Day 2.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Come on, try shaking things up Ryker. Why so deliberately dodgey?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Because I've yet to see a case worthy of my vote.

C'mon let's lynch Gordito and we can hit GLG or Smarg tomorrow. Trust me.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gord still isn't lynched?

Swords/Ryker, look at July's case on GLG and look at the time it appeared.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Just noticed you said to look at the time. What's special?

 

[#HBC | J]

Do you see how, oh how to put it, oppurtunistic and harsh it was especially on the newest person to catch flak?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm trying to find which page it's on.

 

[#HBC | J]

Can do, as in I will keep an eye on everyone. Ran included.



Your reactions are quite aggressive and confrontational; honestly I'm alright with that, but I don't like that the majority of this post is just explaining your own actions or pushing the blame onto Cello for them being misconstrued by saying he should know.



Yep yep





I don't see the value of asking most of these questions. I can't actually tell if you were heated, but it seemed like it reading over the interactions because your response were not just hostile, but defensive.



There is an attitude shift here towards Cello and towards the game in general; right around the time you lay off of Cello the sense of hostility in your posts also diminishes. It makes me think that you have a confident read on Cello, and you hint at that in post #61, so why do you avoid explicitly sharing your thoughts on Cello?



Really, that was the whole nine yards? Because I saw an extensive attack on how J's play style is worse now, some criticism for voting Cello with crap reasoning, and this: "You didn't answer my legitimate question, and you're trying to use arrogance as a tool for getting popularity. You're not Cello bro." in post #30, which really bothers me btw.

Why do you feel like you have to point out to us that your question is legitimate? J did answer the question, just not to your satisfaction, and you once again just bust on J's play style for being arrogant. Really it seemed like you were just feeding off Cello's work in grilling J.



What substance is there in this post? Seriously, you get upset for someone (I'm guessing J) saying you are not commenting on anything in post #66 but then you just continue to add nothing to the conversation except for how great of a player smarg is, which idk how thats going to help, unless you are trying to preemptively assure her you are on her side and not scum before she can post.



Difference between your posts and Cello's posts were that Cello spent most of the time attacking you and you spent more time defending yourself than attacking him (or anyone else really). I understand the need to clarify things but self-defense became your focus instead of scum-hunting.

As for GLG's post:



Sketchy. There is not even the intent to understand the argument that just went on and instead he plans to just blindly push based on those two posts. That's not scum-hunting, that's not informed decision making...even if its not scummy its not going to be useful for the town.

That's where I got to, more content coming but right now Gord is scummy, and GLG is, if not scummy, at least not helping town. J is actually pretty null for me, I don't like the defensive nature but I would expect J to be more confident and persistent in his reads as scum.

Agreed with GLG/Gordito, but I fail to see what Swords has done that is explicitly scummy.



The problem is people adapt, and especially if it is well known that a player behaves a certain way as town, that player knows that all they have to do is play that way as scum to throw off people's reads.



What? First of all, you already said you were going to tunnel based on those two posts, and unless one of those literally said "I'm scum!" I highly doubt you are making your own judgment by calling J scum, you are just feeding off town sentiments.

Then more uninformed accusations by calling Gord scum WITH J...the past #150 posts beg to differ.

And now ryker and J are buddies as well, based on one interaction, but completely disregarding ryker's other input and interactions thus far.

Vote: GLG

You are making accusations with no foundation, as long as they push along your theory that J and Gord are scum.

Page 4 but here are the quotes.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wanted context, so the quotes are unnecessary.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Eh, still needs to go.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: Eh, Cello.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: Eh, Gordito.

Jesus. Was talking to someone else about Cello.

 

[smargaret]

gone for Valentine's Day (I actually have a boyfriend), back now, catching up.

 

[KevinM]

Isn't that the same thing? Anti-town as in not being helpful to town. Basically he is just sitting there. That is why I'm fine with getting rid of him eventually.

Also ... I think you should just start over. Note pad messes with the format. It's scary. ;-;

Also I'll hope you respond to me about J.

Should point out that entire first paragraph is such an empty stance.

 

[smargaret]

Okay, so I'm catching up from the beginning to try and get into the game. This is stream of consciousness, don't expect much in the way of coherence. I'll have another post up a little later where I explain what conclusions I can draw from this.

Vote Gord

For giving KevinM the mvp over me. Even I still remember that.

Why would you random vote instead of addressing the legitimate play stuff that happened prior to this post?

Didn't think you did anything actually scummy.

Till your #20.

Now, ya get the vote.

Vote: J

I didn't see anything particularly scummy in J's 20; why are you going after him?

Sword, why are you fluffposting?

Ran, wow, you're even worse than Sword for random voting.

J, what is the point of massive walls arguing OMGUS theory? How is that not just distracting people from legitimate scumhunting?

Cello's 29 is goodposting.

Gord is making a mountain out of a molehill WRT J's change in playstyle. It looks like J is making an honest attempt to change his playstyle - which is a good thing - and Gord is voting solely based off meta.

J has another wallpost that's unrelated to the game. It's really starting to feel like J's just spamming the thread - there's a balance between not posting at all and posting every five seconds.

Sword is sheeping Cello.

To my knowledge, Gord never answered what about J's 20 was so scummy - and it was asked twice. +scumpoints Gboy.

Cello: How do you see your engagement with J (hehe) benefitting the town? What information do you hope to get from it?

J's eagerness to claim is a scumtell, at least in closed setups. I'm not sure how well that works in open setups, though.

Gboy still has nothing but J's change in playstyle to comment on. That's uselsess. Gboy, you're usually better at scumhunting than this (or at least, at convincing people that you're right about who's scum) - I'm starting to suspect this is scum distancing, because neither Gboy nor J seems to be trying very hard to convince anyone else to hop on a wagon.

I know I've said this before, but J has made a lot of accusations and asked a lot of questions and hasn't really taken a stance. He's keeping his options open.

I think Cello is acting townish. Cello has a personality unlike anyone here, so for him to be acting like his usual self is an indicator of towniness.

J just a moment I'll get right back to you.

WTF? Cello is always town, Cello is acting like himself, so Cello is town? Nuh-uh.

Joey - analyzing wagons at this point in the game, when we don't even have a flip, is silly. I've seen scum caught early day 1, I've seen an entirely-town mislynch during RVS, it's just silly. We can't draw conclusions about J's alignment based on the size of the wagon on him.

Gboy - you know I tend to read and consider before posting. How long did I sit on suspicions that weren't posted in thread during Halo? The difference is, I don't have anyone to discuss my opinions/positions with outside of a hydra. And why are you buddying me? Don't buddy me. I get antsy when people buddy me.

GLG is making no sense at all.

Ryker proposed a policy lynch? And nobody jumped him for it? Wow. IGMEOY Ryker.

Ryker and GLG are continuing to be useless. Actually, GLG looks more town this time through.

Swords - Meta isn't sufficient to clear/convict anyone.

Ryker is still being useless.

And speaking of keeping your options open, KevinM! What reason is there not to vote on day 1? It's not lylo/mylo, so you're not going to set us up for a quicklynch, and votes can be used for reaction tests, pressure, all kinds of things other than pursuing a lynch. +scumpoints KevinM

July's 151=goodposting

GlG is not someone I want to be in LyLo with.

J - why do we need to ask you to take a stance? Like I said earlier, keeping options open.

I love how my name autocorrects to Smart. Ryker, how do you expect someone to die tonight absent a vig? Do you expect the scum to kill me because you asked them nicely?

Reiterating my previous point about KevinM and hypocrisy.

J - I still don't think you and GLG are the same alignment. Notice the key word there, "think".

Joey's 231 = goodposting

J's 236 = wordtwisting/misrep

Ryker - you said you were going to post a case on me "tomorrow" four days ago. What's up with that?

Kevin - if you don't believe in your reads enough to build a convincing case, how do you expect any of us to trust your reads enough to wagon someone with you? +scumpoints

Cello - if you don't see what Kevin's doing as lazy scum, fine. But at the very least, it's anti-town.

Swords - I really don't like the Vote: X FOS: Y and Z thing. I see that all the time from scum. What do you think of my position on KevinM? Why are you going after me for inactivity right after Valentine's Day?

Ryker - if you've yet to see a case worthy of your vote, why not try making one?

 

[smargaret]

Conclusions: I would happily lynch Kevin, J, Gboy in that order. There are several people who are artificially inflating their post count, IGMEOthem for future days. I still don't think J and GLG are the same alignment, but I'm leaning more strongly SvT than TvS.

 

[#HBC | J]

Smarg, if you think I don't have any stances.

Please go read again and actually look to what I have been saying.

However for you since you seem to be deluded to the fact that I have made points:

Scum(not liking):

Gord
GLG
July
Sword

Town(liking)

Ryker
Cello
Joey

Null

Kevin
Ranmaru
Smarg

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker proposed a policy lynch? And nobody jumped him for it? Wow. IGMEOY Ryker.

Where did I say I supported a policy lynch, my good madam?

Ryker, how do you expect someone to die tonight absent a vig? Do you expect the scum to kill me because you asked them nicely?

Didn't look back at the set-up? More commenting on the fact that you can go than any real hope you would die.

Ryker - you said you were going to post a case on me "tomorrow" four days ago. What's up with that?

Decided it didn't have any business being pursued today.

Ryker - if you've yet to see a case worthy of your vote, why not try making one?

Vote Gord for me.






Anyone see Smarg desperate to derail the Gord wagon?

 

[#HBC | J]

Mhmm, we will deal with that dependant on his flip.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Which, remember, we don't get until day 2 is over.

Should we ask for the impatient executioner to immediately drop it, give us a confirm and a flip, but cost us the executioner in the next night? I say yes.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hmm....that's an interesting concept but I think we shouldn't wait for the impatient executioner to drop it cuz that is our one time deal.

I saw wait for NK flip then debate on it. No use in wasting a PR that quickly.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

A lot of info to go on and it prevents the executioner from dying in the night. I'd like to see it.

 

[#HBC | J]

I disagree with that notion and prefer for the executioner to save his PR.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

And I don't. More opinions.

 

[smargaret]

I'm not new at this game and I'm pretty good at it. Been playing on this site for a few months but left and I'be been playing elsewhere for about 2 years. Don't treat me to a newbie card. I'm restricted to a borrowed phone until Friday, so I'm going to be forced into low activity until then.j

How about instead of wasting our time circle jerking, we policy lynch a historic inactive or a notorious distraction. I want EVERYONE to weigh in.

See the bolded bit? That sounds a lot like a call for a policy lynch to me.