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Day 1 - Votecount 4 (6/11)

J (2): Sworddancer., giraffelasergun
smargaret (0):
Ranmaru (0):
-Joey- (0):
Gordito (4): Cello_Marl, Ryker, KevinM,
-Joey-
July (0):
Sworddancer. (1): Ranmaru
Cello_Marl (0):
Ryker (0):
KevinM (1):
smargaret
giraffelasergun (2): July, Gordito

Not Voting (1): J
Deadline: 02.20.11 11:59PM EST
 

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First off:

J should not die.

Gord should die. J was correct in asking for Gord to develop his answer to me.

So Gord, please answer WHAT was scummy in that post I asked about.

Swords is only saying J is scum because other's agree.

I do not want J dead BECAUSE of Cello.

Quotes will follow.

Vote: Swords
 

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Wow, that's a lot of pot calling the kettle black for someone with seven posts and little content. Why does Ran get a pass for lurking because the game started yesterday yet these nebulous other players don't? You're doing the same thing you're calling people suspicious for; you're trying to look town and it isn't working.

Unvote
Vote: Kevin
Really? Because this is a lot of the pot calling the kettle black for only having 7 posts as well. Why call people out on post count when you are in the same boat? And calling people out for lack of content when two of your posts are these:

I'm still frozen solid from being outside at the moment; I'll post content when I've thawed enough to figure out wtf happened to J.
J, you do realize that "Cello is Cello" is not a stance, correct? Is there a reason you aren't taking stances?
The first post is worthless and just another shot at J at a time when that was the "cool" thing to do. The second is you skimming and missing that this was a sarcastic reaction to Sworddancer. So that only leaves 4 posts with content. You've been really aggressive but it hasn't been to the benefit of town.

Unvote
Vote: Smargaret


GLG is at least working on a case against J. You, on the other hand, have been quick to jump on people but adding nothing new to the conversation, or throwing out irrelevant or hypocritical information.

Reading over this, I think the suspicions of Gordito are valid, but I'm not willing to lynch him yet. But I think his points about Joey are relevant, and I'm not completely convinced he is scum. Smarg gives me a really bad feeling, GLG seemed hella scummy now he's pretty much disappeared to work on his case against J, so my vote is off of him until then. And Joey...is acting really strange, his case against Gord isn't all that strong in my opinion, its a lot to take in and what I took away from it after reading it twice is still just "LOL that was stupid/useless, you're scum". I agree though that J seems town, and the focus earlier on J's wording of questions was really unnecessary.

J, why should I support Gord's lynch instead of Smarg or GLG?
 

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@Smarg: I was never lurking. The only time that could be considered lurking is NOW, because I'm reading and catching up with quotes. (I have two tabs)


@July: I don't believe GLG is scum for that thing he pointed out. It's just that his reasoning was really weak, and nonsense. Although with reasoning like that, he wouldn't be useful to town.

So GLG is null. Although later on I saw some nice points from him. I'll note these in the quotes.


@GLG: J isn't scum for what you pointed out. OH HEY LOOK AT ME I'M POSTING IN J'S COLOUR, AM I IN YOUR SCUM PICKS NOW?
...

Now, careful with what answer you choose. Why else would J would be scum in your p.o.v.? Is my playstyle different now due to my text colour? Why or why not?


 

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July: I wasn't calling Kevin out for his post count, I was calling him out for being a hypocrite and inconsistent. The second post you quoted was my reaction to the dramatic shift in J's playstyle that everyone else who has played with him in the past - including J himself - has noted. Even then, the last time I checked, 7-2 != 4. So either you're misrepping me or you're skimming yourself. Which is it?
 

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What do I hope to learn from smarg? She's smart, and I tend to agree with her when she's town. She'll keep me sane.
This is why July.

Gordito, you say this as if you know for a 100% fact that Smargaret is town. You say it that you agree with her "when she is town." now "if" but you make the statement that she is in fact town and you even say "She will keep me sane." instead of "she might keep me sane." You have complete conviction and seem to know more than you should about smargaret.

I changed my mind, you don't belong at L-2.

Vote: Gordito

You belong at L-1.
 

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I did not know I was getting heated?
Do my posts come out hostile to you?
And does my posting have to seem very RVS as in it should be template version like yours and Rans and Gorditos?
What do you mean by template version?

He...did. He said that it was "deflecting".
HE DID NOT. There was NO deflecting in that post. J quoted me and told Gord to answer more elaborately. Plus J's vote on you was RVS so there wouldn't be a need to deflect.

GORD I WANT YOU TO SPECIFY WHAT WAS SCUMMY IN J's #20.



So you believe I am scum from my posts? Why don't you go ahead and point out specifics for me? Why would you not try and help me? Isn't that what town is supposed to do?

When are you going to be useful? Speak up soon please.
I don't like this about Swords AT ALL. Swords, DIE. You are just pressuring him when he is vulnerable.

You should already be aware that I don't believe that anything said in defense of the self is reliable, and I've already said I'm good with you dying. Because you said this, I have absolutely no qualm with you voting for yourself and dying.
NO. This is stupid. He should NOT vote himself. You DO NOT KNOW if J is 100% scum to let him vote himself! Town needs info, which vote trails give over time. You want OTHERS to vote to see scum intent. So if you think he is scum, why not let OTHERS vote him to see their possible intent? Why are would you want our options cut off? I don't find that very townie of YOURSELF for letting him vote himself. Again, it'll make it easier for scum to not have to leave a vote trail.

Plus, J isn't scummy from RVS.

I do not agree with ANYONE voting themselves. That is not useful.

J, don't vote yourself!

I'll do it later, more time to discuss first.
All of you, ****ing stop saying this!
CELLO IS CELLO IS CELLO IS CELLO ON A MELLO WELLO COULD KEEP SOME JELLO EWW YELLO OH HELLO! YES HE IS A NICE FELLOW ;D

I think Cello is acting townish. Cello has a personality unlike anyone here, so for him to be acting like his usual self is an indicator of towniness.

J just a moment I'll get right back to you.
He is NOT confirmed town. We don't know this as town. So don't try to give him an indicator of towniness from meta or what people say. Even if his play is consistent over many games, we as town would be dumb not to evaluate his CURRENT play to see what his intentions would be.

Basically, how are we so sure he doesn't like being scum, and therefore lurks? So when he isn't lurking, he obviously is liking his role.

Hey, I used to loathe snickers. Over time, I liked snickers.

Could this happen to Cellowello?

So Swords you are using meta to clear yourself on Cello and not based on his actions?

And I can wait till 2/20 where that is the longest time till my lynch cannot be postponed too.

Cello, I agree to your response.
We are NOT lynching you. I'd much rather lynch Cello over you for brushing off MY question in regards to Gord's reasoning to your apparent scumminess.

Unvote



IGMEOY



Vote Gordito

You really can be seen a mile away, can't you?
Why did you suddenly unvote?

Shouldn't town answer all questions asked of them because they have nothing to hide. Why should town not care?
I agree. Town should be honest.

Vote: J.

If you honestly think gordito is scum why do you decide to change things about your playstyle he particularly wants you too?
He never changed his playstyle.



That's probably how it will go.

Care to state why?


Gordito is scummier and I think he will flip anti-town, and with our gimme unless I see blatant scum I don't want polly emotion pants in a Mylo/Lylo situation
So you want J to die because he was willing to vote himself? Plus he wasn't emotional at all.

I read absolutely nothing other than this, but the answer is yes.

Cello hungers and must forage.
Cello is dumb and must change stances.

Also, the thing about Cello that I've kind of picked up from being in/seeing games from him is that he does not appear interested unless he is town.
Cello isn't automatically town from your observation of his preferences. That doesn't change his intent. J isn't scummy for 'over-reacting'. He was being pressured and you felt it was ok to "help" cello to pressure him with just a "over-reaction". For this, you must DIE.

Can I vote Swordito?

I'll vote Gordito.

GLG can follow him into hell, btw.
I think GLG is null for the playstyle stance he did with J. Will see further on his responses to me.

Swords/Gordito can go in that order. J should not go. Cello is null like GLG. One easy stance, one wrong stance.

Yes, I did not read a lot of the posts in the exchange between you and gordito, as all the ones I did read were scummy as hell.
I will tunnel you until find it necessary to stop.
Is there any reason you feel it necessary to twist peoples posts so that you asks questions that are excactly what they just said to make it look like you read when you add some part to it that you blatantly assumed?




Oh okay.

So you respond oh ok to posts relating to "playstyles". Drop this. You are WRONG.

Unvote Vote GLG

Whatever whoever said.
Get off GLG. Or state WHY he is scum, besides him noting J's 'playstyle change' which did not happen in reality.

Smarg, so you are saying I should just expound all of my thoughts and write a town list and say if someone is scum or not? Why should I expell every single thought process from my head and especially on D1.

That is a very not smart inference of "one of GLG or J is mafia!" You are shutting yourself to other possibilities and it is close-minded. However as you have said, it's your opinion.
Well in this case, I think you should make lists and such unless you contribute in some way which helps town. Of course, you should also post your stances in some way, to at least 2-3 of your scum picks.

It's a two way street here.

Wow... I feel really bad I was about to chew Ran out for basically not being in the game, then I realize it started yesterday. Guess I can give a little Lee way but can't you do it today instead of just wasting our time.

@Gord thanks for earning my vote with your last couple really weak responses.

Vote Gordito
You haven't post much yourself.

No, I couldn't. I was busy. You seem pretty selfish. And impatient.

Wow, that's a lot of pot calling the kettle black for someone with seven posts and little content. Why does Ran get a pass for lurking because the game started yesterday yet these nebulous other players don't? You're doing the same thing you're calling people suspicious for; you're trying to look town and it isn't working.

Unvote
Vote: Kevin
I was not lurking. Only time that I could have been considered lurking was today, because I was reading and catching up.

Lurking and inactive is a different thing.

Lurking is when you see me on the thread viewing list for a long time without posting.

Inactive is just when I'm not there and not on Smash boards.
 

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EBWOP:

@Kevin: You haven't *posted much yourself.
 

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Ran, maybe this wasn't clear - I wasn't calling you out for lurking. I got the impression from Kevin's posts that he was going to call you out for lurking before looking at how long the game had been open. My post to Kevin had nothing whatsoever to do with you or activity levels in general - it was about hypocrisy and inconsistency, two things I consider to be scumtells.
 

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Ah, I see. Here is why: I didn't get the impression KevinM was calling me out for lurking. He never stated I was LURKING. I did think "Does he mean me?" But wouldn't address that unless he stated it was me who was lurking, which he never did. It seemed pretty broad.

If he says it WAS me who was lurking, than he is WRONG. (And I would say so)

The only thing I can agree with you is that he himself hasn't posted much when he was so worried about other's activity levels.
 

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EBWOP:

He never stated that I was lurking. (So my meaning is clearer)
 

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@July: I don't believe GLG is scum for that thing he pointed out. It's just that his reasoning was really weak, and nonsense. Although with reasoning like that, he wouldn't be useful to town.

So GLG is null. Although later on I saw some nice points from him. I'll note these in the quotes.


@GLG: J isn't scum for what you pointed out. OH HEY LOOK AT ME I'M POSTING IN J'S COLOUR, AM I IN YOUR SCUM PICKS NOW?
...

Now, careful with what answer you choose. Why else would J would be scum in your p.o.v.? Is my playstyle different now due to my text colour? Why or why not?


Understandable, and that is why I took my vote off GLG for now until we get more information from him, although he is not off my the radar.

@Ran, any read on Joey or Ryker?


July: I wasn't calling Kevin out for his post count, I was calling him out for being a hypocrite and inconsistent. The second post you quoted was my reaction to the dramatic shift in J's playstyle that everyone else who has played with him in the past - including J himself - has noted. Even then, the last time I checked, 7-2 != 4. So either you're misrepping me or you're skimming yourself. Which is it?
I was counting that first post about Kevin as lacking content considering the content you had was flawed and hypocritical. That and the other two posts constituted those 3 that I found worthless. So as to whether I'm skimming or misrepping you, neither.



This is why July.

Gordito, you say this as if you know for a 100% fact that Smargaret is town. You say it that you agree with her "when she is town." now "if" but you make the statement that she is in fact town and you even say "She will keep me sane." instead of "she might keep me sane." You have complete conviction and seem to know more than you should about smargaret.

I changed my mind, you don't belong at L-2.

Vote: Gordito

You belong at L-1.
J, I understand your reasons for wanting Gord to go toDay. But I feel like this wagon took off so suddenly, that scum hunting has come to focus pretty much only on Gord and Gord has become an easy target. Smarg so far has bothered me more than Gord, and Joey's post didn't make me feel confident in Joey or in his argument against Gord either. I know you said that you don't like my play this game, but I'm not going to force myself to think that Gord is scummier than Smarg or GLG when I really don't.
 

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Gord, GLG, July, and J can go currently.

Null reads on Ran

Useless Towny Read on Smarg, might change that later.

Cello you thinkin that as well or am I alone on that?
 

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I didn't read the giant wall Joey made. It was late to the party anyway. Nor did I do more than skim July's. Did I miss anything?
 

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I like how Ran makes his posts with the visual thinker in mind.

Ran I'll get back to you after class.

Joey typically you're suppose to make cases like that before you vote people. :rolleyes:
 

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@Kevin: Less confident in getting rid of July and maybe J than you are, but other than that that looks good.

I want Ryker to weigh in more.
 

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That's fine with your read Ran but I would hope you would do something besides continue to try passive aggresive jabs trying to draw suspicion to a place it shouldn't be.

Gord, top suspicions at this point?

July, if you were a vig who would you be shooting toNight.

Joey you realize that your "Stupidity over 9000" is a weak way to argue anything correct?
 

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Please point those out.

I do not think you have the right to call others useless when you yourself are not posting much content at all.

You post some reads, but without reason. Why am I null to you?

I will do more things.

Also why July and J? And why not Swords? What are your thoughts on them?

Gord seems a little scummy, but almost as dumb as GLG too. GLG is just null. (I have stated why before)

@Ryker: You missed my catch up post as well.

@July: I'll get back to you on that. I haven't read Joey's Catch up yet.

I need more from Ryker. But I acknowledge him posting from his phone. Does this limit his activity?
 

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I want Ryker to weigh in more.
I don't want to weigh in more. I'm perfectly content with the day ending right now because I want Gord's flip. I've said why I want Gord dead. I've named the other people that should die after he's gone. I actually noted that I wasn't being very active, but it's because this day is stagnating. It's not getting anywhere and it's time to get to the next one.
 

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I don't want to weigh in more. I'm perfectly content with the day ending right now because I want Gord's flip. I've said why I want Gord dead. I've named the other people that should die after he's gone. I actually noted that I wasn't being very active, but it's because this day is stagnating. It's not getting anywhere and it's time to get to the next one.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

I forgot the central mechanic.

I'm not gonna get Gord's flip. Let me look and see if that changes anything for me. I doubt it will, but hey.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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F*** my motherf***ing life I accidentally f***ing clicked the little arrow on the f***ing quote bubble and I lost everything... I was basically up to here:

Joey said:
Bean**** LOL. Sorry stars got to me
I'm just gonna go f***ing back and address everything non-J's playstyle changing related. But...

To everything about J's playstyle changing: I was coming into the game not expecting J's style to be like that, and all of my posts that day were centered around flaming on J's playstyle change. I took a breather, got off of the computer, and the next day I apologized and continued on to play the game. Simple as that, saves me A LOT of time. If you want me to address any specific points in the J's playstyle thingy, just pull up the quote and I'll address it accordingly.
 

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If the day were to end cool,

investigate July.
No, Swords.

Either works, tbh.
Good cop directing guys! Keep up the scummy behavior.

Ryker, do an ISO on July when you can.

Investigate July.
Nice directing here as well. Iso is a nice little scum tactic if you are scum and want someone else to do it for you me thinks..
 

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i'm not posting today and have stated otherwise to other games.

Please say why directing the cop is bas in this set-up?

Also you ever gonna give content or continue to play peanut gallery all game?
 

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Good cop directing guys! Keep up the scummy behavior.
Do you remember the huge argument we had in my first game on DGames about whether it was incriminating to post a scum list on the first day of Day 1? I will fight you on this one too. I disagree with cop directing being anti-town and will fight you on that point. The cop has a mind of his own, I just trust my decision making more than anyone else.

Gonna start that read now.
 

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@J and Ryker- I'm fine with being copped.

@KevinM- If I were vig, either Smarg or GLG, depending on if one of them/either come in and step up their stances.

Will post more later, but it's Valentine's Day so I won't be back able to post until tonight.
 

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Lemme start by saying that in-depth single player analysis aren't the smartest things to do. Why, you ask? Your judgement on the player's alignment is sharply skewed, especially if you started it the way you did, and assumed I was scum off the bat. Another thing they call it: Tunneling. You wouldn't dare believe that anything said can be said from a townie (oh hey it was). Read this. It was said in Community Mafia, my second town game.

Roxy said:
The problem with your read is that you're looking at the external, not the internal gordito. What are his intentions with all that he's doing? Causing confusion?
This was after I, myself, made an in-depth single player analysis without even knowing. I was so focused on X1- scum. I didn't give myself room to see what his intentions were. And I don't feel you quite did either. I feel like your thought what did this scumbag do, and why'd he do it? Now... onto the cluster**** of time being spent that is... my response to your case.

Joey said:
Seriously dude. Why didn't you state what it was in #20 that made you go like "OH **** THIS GUY IS SCUM!!!"?
Gordito said:
My reasoning for voting? You didn't answer my legitimate question, and you're trying to use arrogance as a tool for getting popularity. You're not Cello bro.
Joey said:
>_>; Lol for voting for not answering one question. LOL AT FOCUSING ON PLAYSTYLE IN THE SECOND PART. You're not even using meta, since you obviously have none on him since you haven't played with his new playstyle. Yeeah Look at @ first paragraph responce for the rest of my opinions on this.
Cello tends to gain a lot of town reads by grinding his teeth into players, and at the time, I thought that that was exactly what J was try'na do.

Joey said:
Why do you think that shouldn't be the case? Do you think we 100% have our lynch target? I don't think we did at that point.
Cuz in most, if not all, mafia games that I've played, a lynch was justifiable at the end of D1, and people weren't saying "OMG nobody's scummy let's just lynch xxx cuz he's bad". That may come across as flaming, but it's not. I promise.

Joey said:
None of your play from yesterday will be ignored just because of this post. Thank god you realized though.
Nor do I expect it to be. After all, I can't just go back and edit 'em. You'll only see that I'm legit upon my flip.

Joey said:
You said two people and you mentioned 3. LOL failure.jpg
Broski, this is one of the things that I'm talkin about when I say single player analysis can turn ugly. You're ridiculing me and nitpicking. I didn't consider you as a scum pick. If you wanna get into mafia terms, I had MEOY

Joey said:
Why will you not look into that against me if MANY OTHER PEOPLE on smashboards would make you feel that you need to? You have 3 people with 2 eh's. That's not a set scum list and you need to comment on all 3 to fix those eh's. >_>
It's more like a vote: GLG, FoS Kevin, and an IGMEOY Joey without actually saying em.

Joey said:
LOL YOU CALL HIM BAD AND THEN YOU TAKE IT BACK. That whole paragraph wasn't needed at all. Scummy mc scum scum go die please kthnxbye.
Can you tell me which paragraph? I'm kinda confused...

Joey said:
Seriously if we don't lynch him in the next two days I'm done. YOU'RE FOCUSING ON IT STILL. Even if it's just a small comment you STILL ARE. UGH!!!
This was nothing but a joke, and J got that it was a joke, which is why he didn't ride me for it.

I'll continue either later today or tomorrow...
 
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