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ROM 5 - Mew2King vs Unknown522
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Gea
Smash Master
Somehow the fact that the video is a recording of a TV seems such a Lovage thing to do.
Miharu
Smash Hero
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everyone remember 2 weeks ago when i said that this community isn't based on friendship and respect? i'm glad the last 100 posts or so validated that statement.
quick hit the reply button while this idea still upsets you.
/still a children's party game in the end
quick hit the reply button while this idea still upsets you.
/still a children's party game in the end
Alphicans
Smash Hero
In any other social situation, this wouldn't be a big deal at all. What happened would be what was completely expected...
HyugaRicdeau
Baller/Shot-caller
Doesn't mean it should happen.
the_CAM_factor
Smash Journeyman
lol. if this happened at any place where we didnt have this respect. unknown would have been arrested
Fantastic.
Vist
Smash Champion
Aw man... 
I can understand why Unknown would be banned from Apex, but I'm not sure if I agree with it. He knows he crossed the line, he's fully aware of his actions, and he's accepting of the repercussions. I don't think what happened should be taken lightly, but it is unusual behavior from Unknown and there's pretty much no way anyone, including Unknown, would let something similar happen in the future now that it has escalated to this point.
The T.O. or whoever was around witnessing Inui's heckling and Unknown's reaction to it should have stepped in and had a serious ****ing talk with / warning to both players. Once Unknown made verbal threats, it should be been addressed right then and there. Unknown should have told that any further threats or any form of violence would not be tolerated and he should've been given a chance to clear his head. Meanwhile, Inui should have been told the same thing since he was obviously getting to Unknown and there shouldn't have been any opportunity to let things escalate further.
And it sounds like Inui has been repeatedly asked to stop whatever he was doing, but chose not to. I'm all for ****-talk, even when it's all of tri-state rooting against you because you're from another region lol, but there has to be a zero-tolerance policy when there's a potential for violence.
On a related note, I'm not going to name names, but aren't there a couple players who were supposed to be banned from events (including past Apex events) for owning money, but have still been allowed to attend? If banning Unknown is really going to happen, I hope these other supposed bans are taken just as seriously (assuming they still apply).
I can understand why Unknown would be banned from Apex, but I'm not sure if I agree with it. He knows he crossed the line, he's fully aware of his actions, and he's accepting of the repercussions. I don't think what happened should be taken lightly, but it is unusual behavior from Unknown and there's pretty much no way anyone, including Unknown, would let something similar happen in the future now that it has escalated to this point.
The T.O. or whoever was around witnessing Inui's heckling and Unknown's reaction to it should have stepped in and had a serious ****ing talk with / warning to both players. Once Unknown made verbal threats, it should be been addressed right then and there. Unknown should have told that any further threats or any form of violence would not be tolerated and he should've been given a chance to clear his head. Meanwhile, Inui should have been told the same thing since he was obviously getting to Unknown and there shouldn't have been any opportunity to let things escalate further.
And it sounds like Inui has been repeatedly asked to stop whatever he was doing, but chose not to. I'm all for ****-talk, even when it's all of tri-state rooting against you because you're from another region lol, but there has to be a zero-tolerance policy when there's a potential for violence.
On a related note, I'm not going to name names, but aren't there a couple players who were supposed to be banned from events (including past Apex events) for owning money, but have still been allowed to attend? If banning Unknown is really going to happen, I hope these other supposed bans are taken just as seriously (assuming they still apply).
KageMurphy
Smash Master
I stole Shippos Yugioh cards at Pound 5 and blamed it on Bio. #TeamInui
TeeVee
Smash Lord
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yea, if this happened in a mall or school im sure nothing would have happened and this would have been tolerated
zzz
chillindude829
Smash Master
this whole **** is hilarious i cant believe i missed it cuz i was getting cheesesteak
LMAO @ ee
LMAO @ ee
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.I stole Shippos Yugioh cards at Pound 5 and blamed it on Bio. #TeamInui
/caps
Alphicans
Smash Hero
It's just funny this has turned into such a big deal. It's not surprising at all. Personally I think banning either of them is silly. This is an issue completely independent from tournament play/sportsman ship. It's an issue between two individuals and that's it
LOL TV you're pretty naive if you think something would happen. I've seen stuff like this happen countless times.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
unknown for best fox 2012
if ryan could choke battle cow then my life would be complete
if ryan could choke battle cow then my life would be complete
was it worth it? how good was that cheesesteak?
chillindude829
Smash Master
yea it was incredible
buffalo cheesesteak
buffalo cheesesteak
Miharu
Smash Hero
?
the incident had a direct effect on tournament play itself, and should be treated as such
also, assault...why wouldn't this be a big deal? people could have gotten hurt
TeeVee
Smash Lord
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you're pretty naive if you don't think the cops would have been involved in either of the situations i named, he's actually lucky he acted out in a social environment where he's "respected" as a top player
HyugaRicdeau
Baller/Shot-caller
Yeah but it happened at a smash tournament, and they are going to see each other again at future events, and banning is how we state strongly that we can't have this kind of thing happen at tournaments. We have to anticipate things that can happen between individuals at tournaments. Before Genesis 2 there was an incident between 2 people online where threats were made to one another about when they were at G2, and we decided to deal with that as something that affects our event, and not just as something between 2 people.
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Dude... You think cops get involved for a split second punch to the face? Cops wouldn't get involved if that's all there was to the fight. So much faith in the law :/.
S l o X
Smash Champion
i mean
what would mango do?
what would mango do?
Doser
Smash Ace
He would have 3-0'd him, and Inui would have been drowned out by the rest of the crowd.
unknown522
Some guy
People sorry I should rephrase that. Cuz what I meant to say was that he could've been charges before choking him. Like of I didn't choke him it could've stood like that. Obv I wouldn't but it's true
Also lol @ the brawl scene
Also lol @ the brawl scene
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Guys
Guys
Guys
It's Inui who gives a ****???
Guys
Guys
It's Inui who gives a ****???
The Business
Smash Journeyman
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Apparently all the brawl people care.
I can't believe no one took that username before November 2012.
wait I fail at reading. cheesesteak not cheesecake
CanISmash
Smash Lord
Full support unknown this time.
Smash is not ****ing marvel. and even in marvel there have been plenty of physical problems do to people yapping way too much.
If Inui wants to be an annoying prick and run his mouth after being asked not too then it sucks that unknown only grabbed his neck and didn't give hims omething to maybe remind him next time he thought about it.
of course theres the right and mature way to do things. and then there's people you can truly respect for having some got damn pride for themselves.
im convinced if someone spit on you guys mothers you'd sit quiet and call the cops.... jokes pure jokes.
People are way too ****ing sheltered. You open your mouth you deal with the consequences. I want you to go to rucker park in nyc and **** talk a player all day while you're not in the game and see what happens.
Smash is not ****ing marvel. and even in marvel there have been plenty of physical problems do to people yapping way too much.
If Inui wants to be an annoying prick and run his mouth after being asked not too then it sucks that unknown only grabbed his neck and didn't give hims omething to maybe remind him next time he thought about it.
of course theres the right and mature way to do things. and then there's people you can truly respect for having some got damn pride for themselves.
im convinced if someone spit on you guys mothers you'd sit quiet and call the cops.... jokes pure jokes.
People are way too ****ing sheltered. You open your mouth you deal with the consequences. I want you to go to rucker park in nyc and **** talk a player all day while you're not in the game and see what happens.
Hamek
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It's astounding how illogical the inui hate has gotten when people are trying to say what unknown did wasn't that bad or that they were both in the wrong. Yelling too loud while someone's playing a video game (even if it's for cash) is not grounds to physically assault someone.
To do it again because they were saying that they shouldn't have gotten choked (I'm basing this off of what Unknown has posted,I don't know the details too well, so I'm assuming Inui said something to that extent as to "playing the victim") and making a "snarky comment" he couldn't hear is ridiculous folks, regardless of how much you hate inui, and regardless of the amount of "trashtalking" that unknown couldn't understand, choking people is not only much worse, it's against the law.
To do it again because they were saying that they shouldn't have gotten choked (I'm basing this off of what Unknown has posted,I don't know the details too well, so I'm assuming Inui said something to that extent as to "playing the victim") and making a "snarky comment" he couldn't hear is ridiculous folks, regardless of how much you hate inui, and regardless of the amount of "trashtalking" that unknown couldn't understand, choking people is not only much worse, it's against the law.
The Business
Smash Journeyman
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I was surprised too.
EthereaL
Smash Journeyman
*sigh*
Just learn from it.
No players / crowd within 5 feet of the players or screen if either player requests it. Easy, and we avoid the situation of "screaming in ear" if it arises again. A code of conduct for tournaments could cover a lot of ground regarding the issues in this thread (even if it is just a party game, it's one we've turned into a competitive game, Umbreon).
I wish Unknown weren't banned, but I don't think the host should go back on the decision. Inui shouldn't be banned; had Unknown not reacted as he did, Innui would not have been banned. I think that, again, a code of conduct would be a good thing, and it would certainly be a good thing to make clear to Inui that a repeat performance would result in venue-expulsion / future bans.
Edit: I think the people attacking Unknown's actions are almost as silly as those supporting them. Was he in the right to physically attack Inui? No, I don't think so, but it is a natural response to the situation. It's foolish to look down on him for that.
Just learn from it.
No players / crowd within 5 feet of the players or screen if either player requests it. Easy, and we avoid the situation of "screaming in ear" if it arises again. A code of conduct for tournaments could cover a lot of ground regarding the issues in this thread (even if it is just a party game, it's one we've turned into a competitive game, Umbreon
).I wish Unknown weren't banned, but I don't think the host should go back on the decision. Inui shouldn't be banned; had Unknown not reacted as he did, Innui would not have been banned. I think that, again, a code of conduct would be a good thing, and it would certainly be a good thing to make clear to Inui that a repeat performance would result in venue-expulsion / future bans.
Edit: I think the people attacking Unknown's actions are almost as silly as those supporting them. Was he in the right to physically attack Inui? No, I don't think so, but it is a natural response to the situation. It's foolish to look down on him for that.
Chroma
Smash Apprentice
Fun fact: Inui's punched a player in the past.
Another fun fact: Inui stated he was going to try and provoke Unknown some more on facebook (while grinning like a jerk on the player cam), then did so.
He knew what he was getting into, and while violence is not something that can be condoned, I'm surprised that he didn't get served with a three-piece combo with a side order of chokeslam.
But of course the ancient cardinal rule of "don't complain about tristate's trashtalking" was violated so it's only the player's fault.
Another fun fact: Inui stated he was going to try and provoke Unknown some more on facebook (while grinning like a jerk on the player cam), then did so.
He knew what he was getting into, and while violence is not something that can be condoned, I'm surprised that he didn't get served with a three-piece combo with a side order of chokeslam.
But of course the ancient cardinal rule of "don't complain about tristate's trashtalking" was violated so it's only the player's fault.
I think we're all ignoring the most important thing here...
Cheesesteaks are good. Who's with me?
Cheesesteaks are good. Who's with me?
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Was Inui physically hurt at all?
It seems like, in this case, what unknown did was a reaction of severe aggravation, which is understandable* given what Inui was doing, and unknown only did this to emphasize his frustration and annoyance towards Inui. Whether or not unknown intended to actually hurt Inui is very important.
Meanwhile, what Inui did simply had malicious intends all-around, but he was able to exercise this in a way that allowed him to avoid being punished. People don't realize how much of a problem this is until they go and moderate a forum, haha
Ultimately, my point is the severe differences of intend vs action. I think, generally, we need to consider ones intent much more heavily in our decisions. Unknown already made his intent pretty clear, this is more referring to Inui and how what he did way also not acceptable behavior.
If Inui was legitimately concerned of his safety, Unknown's ban would be completely understandable. However, Inui seems more amused by the situation and seems almost pleased with himself, implying his aggravation was very intentional. I believe both players deserve their chance to play at Apex 2013, but TOs should make it a point to keep these two separated by all means. I know Unknown is intelligent, he won't approach or mess with Inui on a whim. It's inui who will likely be the cause of further issues between these two.
Give them another chance with a thin ice policy, whoever initiates further discrepancies will receive punishment while the other will receive equal or greater punishment if they choose reciprocate the actions.
For what I mention above, consider this quote:
It seems like, in this case, what unknown did was a reaction of severe aggravation, which is understandable* given what Inui was doing, and unknown only did this to emphasize his frustration and annoyance towards Inui. Whether or not unknown intended to actually hurt Inui is very important.
Meanwhile, what Inui did simply had malicious intends all-around, but he was able to exercise this in a way that allowed him to avoid being punished. People don't realize how much of a problem this is until they go and moderate a forum, haha
Ultimately, my point is the severe differences of intend vs action. I think, generally, we need to consider ones intent much more heavily in our decisions. Unknown already made his intent pretty clear, this is more referring to Inui and how what he did way also not acceptable behavior.
If Inui was legitimately concerned of his safety, Unknown's ban would be completely understandable. However, Inui seems more amused by the situation and seems almost pleased with himself, implying his aggravation was very intentional. I believe both players deserve their chance to play at Apex 2013, but TOs should make it a point to keep these two separated by all means. I know Unknown is intelligent, he won't approach or mess with Inui on a whim. It's inui who will likely be the cause of further issues between these two.
Give them another chance with a thin ice policy, whoever initiates further discrepancies will receive punishment while the other will receive equal or greater punishment if they choose reciprocate the actions.
For what I mention above, consider this quote:
(*note that understandable =/= justified)
Europhoria
Smash Lord
Damn Ryan, 4 tournaments? I thought he was just being a ******/mouth breathing into your ear at RoM cause he needs M2K to win so he can try and latch himself onto his success and feel like less of a gigantic loser. I guess he's still salty you 3 stocked his Sheik with Pichu in tournament or whatever and it invalidates him as a person. I mean, I can't support what you did at all but I approve of who you did it too LOL
I think we're all forgetting the context here... like this is Inui. Can you imagine the community response if you did this to a person that someone - anyone - liked in any way? Not even someone people liked >_> just someone that everyone doesn't hate and view as a creepy *** angsty 40 year old virgin pedophile.
I'm all for like the new york crew trash talk, even if it was harder for like a lot of us to get used to and deal with, cause it creates hype and it's awesome. I can't imagine like Scar/DJ/Whoever like physically putting their mouth to your ear and yelling or whatever. Inui is just a loser. I hope he keeps trying to piss off random people much larger then him for no reason other than to make himself feel better. On a topic not related at all I hope he moves to the Bronx.
I think we're all forgetting the context here... like this is Inui. Can you imagine the community response if you did this to a person that someone - anyone - liked in any way? Not even someone people liked >_> just someone that everyone doesn't hate and view as a creepy *** angsty 40 year old virgin pedophile.
I'm all for like the new york crew trash talk, even if it was harder for like a lot of us to get used to and deal with, cause it creates hype and it's awesome. I can't imagine like Scar/DJ/Whoever like physically putting their mouth to your ear and yelling or whatever. Inui is just a loser. I hope he keeps trying to piss off random people much larger then him for no reason other than to make himself feel better. On a topic not related at all I hope he moves to the Bronx.
Habefiet
Smash Journeyman
Not defending or justifying Unknown's actions at all here but why is everyone apparently forgetting that verbal assault / harassment / etc. are also against the law? I know someone who won a harassment lawsuit for a lot less than someone yelling in his ear, continually smack-talking said person after repeated requests to stop, and planning to provoke said person into violence again.
I don't know either of these guys, not trying to take sides at all, but there've been a bunch of posts that basically amounted to, "Yeah Inui's a **** but Unknown BROKE THE LAW," and... well, technically Inui could also be argued to have done so.
Real talk though this is like a Judge Judy ep
unknown522
Some guy
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