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ROB Q&A!! Read this before asking questions...ALL OF IT!
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Sudai
Stuff here
You can't Up Smash in mid air, silly NinjaLink.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I upsmash them while they are doin it. Never said i was in the air.
Sudai
Stuff here
I've never been edge guarded while on stage.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
Oh oops. He said edgeguarded with dair. Read it wrong. I just stall in place timing a nair.
Teh Future
Smash Master
Sudai calm down, three posts about Lucas in ROBs Q&A thread isn't the end of the world, the whole point of them is to contain spam anyways.
=)@MePlz
Smash Apprentice
who's a good secondary for rob?
jjvirus
Smash Champion
Mk, Snake, (Diddy?), GnW
TP
Smash Master
I'm fighting a Yoshi in a tourney tomorrow, and Yoshi has a 0-death chaingrab on Ganon. What should I know about the ROB-Yoshi matchup?
GwJ
Smash Hero
Eggs usually outcamp ROB. Usually. Try and keep it close combat. You'll usually win. Usually.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I destroy yoshis with Rob. Laser stops every egg. ROB out camps yoshi. Basically do what he does. If he approaches u approach. If he camps u camp. I fought a campy yoshi recently in tourney so i used rob. 2 stock twice. Quick tip. place a active gyro near the ledge. Yoshi cant jump over and it takes his jump instantly. He cant Super Armor it. Dont bother chasing him off stage. If u can, laser him if he stays offstage throwing eggs. Gyro ***** yoshi lmao
TP
Smash Master
Thanks for the tips, guys. 
toasty
Smash Hero
thanks for the Yoshi tip about lasers winning vs. his eggs, I feel dumb for not thinking of that and gyro really eats second jump? I mean they can always ledgehop with an airdodge [and then he takes your gyro ;__;] also he can upB and the egg will move the gyro away from the edge
but that's still good to know.
and gyro really eats second jump? I mean they can always ledgehop with an airdodge [and then he takes your gyro ;__;] also he can upB and the egg will move the gyro away from the edgebut that's still good to know.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
he has to airdodge ******** close to it. i mean LITERALLY hanging on the ledge. Hes gonna have fun tryin to hit the gyro with an egg offstage because he cant hang on the ledge without it touching him. Yoshi is NOT small.
Sudai
Stuff here
It's not hard to hit a gyro with an egg from the ledge. Ledge dropped egg toss hits the gyro and regrabs the ledge..sooo yeah.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I guess u dont get me. I mean the gyro is literally hanging off the ledge to the point where 1 pixel more and it falls. yoshi CANT throw and egg from there. He cant hang there either.
GwJ
Smash Hero
Yeah, I've done that before, screws like 2/3 the cast over. So sexy.
Darth Waffles
Smash Lord
What happened to the giant list of circuitry-blowing frame data that the smash researchers were working on from a few months ago? I haven't heard anything about it in a long time
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I have the frame data for rob. I thought it was known already. I'll post it later.
Mr.E
Smash Lord
I have basic frame data about how fast hitboxes come out but nothing about ending lag or anything else that may be important. :[ No, NL, I don't believe anybody's posted it here before.
Darth Waffles
Smash Lord
I forget the name of the person doing it for this forum but there was a thread asking for specific things we wanted to know the frames of like canceling a gyro in the air without airdodging or other specific things like that
JCaesar
Smash Hero
I dunno but I want that cyan name.
And yeah we could really use that frame data.
And yeah we could really use that frame data.
Wolydarg
Smash Journeyman
I have a quick question that I don't think has been asked before.
How are you guys not bored of ROB yet?
Don't get me wrong, I love our robotic overlord as much as the next ROB main does, but I feel that in the past month or two my ROB hasn't really improved. There was a period of time when I practiced glidetoss lengths/approaches, spacing with ftilts, controlling myself with upB, but it feels like I've hit a brick wall with ROB now as far as improving skill as a player. I've had to pick up IC's/ZSS recently just so I wouldn't get bored of this game >_>
Is it just by playing against better quality players? Because I still keep losing to the same people I've been losing to and winning against the same people I used to win to.
Blah!
:edit: I mean, just look at the ROB boards. The most active topics are ROB Rankings, Collection of Top ROBs (pretty much like the rankings as far as significance goes), and ROB in Brawl+. What happened to our board??
How are you guys not bored of ROB yet?
Don't get me wrong, I love our robotic overlord as much as the next ROB main does, but I feel that in the past month or two my ROB hasn't really improved. There was a period of time when I practiced glidetoss lengths/approaches, spacing with ftilts, controlling myself with upB, but it feels like I've hit a brick wall with ROB now as far as improving skill as a player. I've had to pick up IC's/ZSS recently just so I wouldn't get bored of this game >_>
Is it just by playing against better quality players? Because I still keep losing to the same people I've been losing to and winning against the same people I used to win to.
Blah!
:edit: I mean, just look at the ROB boards. The most active topics are ROB Rankings, Collection of Top ROBs (pretty much like the rankings as far as significance goes), and ROB in Brawl+. What happened to our board??
stingers
Smash Obsessed
yes im very bored of rob
very
very
bored
very
very
bored
JCaesar
Smash Hero
You know how I cured my boredom? I started playing Brawl+...
Mr.E
Smash Lord
Well, the board has gotten pretty boring recently but I'm having more fun with Brawl than ever. You should consider that maybe you have improved significantly, you just can't tell against people you regularly play against because they've also improved and you're familiar with each other's playstyles. Me, I can tell I've greatly improved when I went from getting borderline 3-stocked against a good MK/G&W to actually putting up a fight, among other things.
rob has little to absolutely no "tech skill" as it is... once you get glide-tossing and master his up-b, there's nothing more to really do (except glidetoss->reverse up-b lol)
I recently picked up ZSS (and beat Ally's CF 2 stock) but that was mostly to do with dealing with fox, not with being bored...
rob is all about mind-games and being able to evaluate your opponent... for me, i just love it when my opponent literally hits themselves with my moves because I've been able to read their patterns so well... can't count the number of times recently iv'ed sh->fair infront of them, only to have them jump into it...
anyways... if you're bored, and crave tech-skill, pick up link if you want to keep playing rob, you're going to need to start to take pleasure in just beating your opponent
I recently picked up ZSS (and beat Ally's CF 2 stock
) but that was mostly to do with dealing with fox, not with being bored...rob is all about mind-games and being able to evaluate your opponent... for me, i just love it when my opponent literally hits themselves with my moves because I've been able to read their patterns so well... can't count the number of times recently iv'ed sh->fair infront of them, only to have them jump into it...
anyways... if you're bored, and crave tech-skill, pick up link
if you want to keep playing rob, you're going to need to start to take pleasure in just beating your opponent
Sudai
Stuff here
If you're looking for tech skill, the better option would be Melee.anyways... if you're bored, and crave tech-skill, pick up link
hah too true... though CvS2 (and now sf4) both require even _more_ so you can always just pick up other fighters if ya want some tech skill competition
lol but really, of all the characters, rob doesn't really have many moments where you say to yourself "man, i missed my input, if I'd had that, I would have won for sure!"... it's more "why did I roll directly into his utilt" and "haha what a sucker, got hit by my lazer and he had his 2nd jump gimped"
lol but really, of all the characters, rob doesn't really have many moments where you say to yourself "man, i missed my input, if I'd had that, I would have won for sure!"... it's more "why did I roll directly into his utilt" and "haha what a sucker, got hit by my lazer and he had his 2nd jump gimped"
stingers
Smash Obsessed
you guys should pick up pikachu
***** all of robs bad matchups besides like gaw and uh lolmk
***** all of robs bad matchups besides like gaw and uh lolmk
20 says that if I didn't post this, the next post would have been "or just mk covers every matchup" 
also, I did pick up pika... I found that as awesome as neutral b is, if the person knows how the aerials cancel, understand which of pikas moves have priority and which don't, and know where quack-ing will take him, he loses pretty hard to a lot of characters....
really, i right now i just need a fox counter... so many rando foxes coming up these days, and they're all really good... zss beats fox nicely
also, I did pick up pika... I found that as awesome as neutral b is, if the person knows how the aerials cancel, understand which of pikas moves have priority and which don't, and know where quack-ing will take him, he loses pretty hard to a lot of characters....
really, i right now i just need a fox counter... so many rando foxes coming up these days, and they're all really good... zss beats fox nicely
Darth Waffles
Smash Lord
Not going to lie, that's EXACTLY what I thought before I scrolled down to read this lol20 says that if I didn't post this, the next post would have been "or just mk covers every matchup"
I've been playing mario more and more because he's fun. I still definitely main ROB though, and it's not a terrible thing to take some time off if you don't feel that you're progressing. To be honest, it's been little over a year since Brawl came out in America. In the hours and hours that I've put into this game so far, I haven't even scratched the surface of exploring all of the characters and truly understanding where they all lie in terms of potential and my feel for them. Sure, I've been playing with secondaries and I've heard of a lot of ATs, but I think that really going in-depth into other characters' ATs and such is a good thing if ROB gets boring.
/random paragraph. Hope that sounds as coherent as it does when I think of it =P
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Just find a secondary that you like and explore with it. Especially if they have a completely different style from ROBs, it can be a nice refresher.
I duno, pick one of the weirdly unique characters and you might enjoy them (imo ZSS, Wario, Diddy, Snake)
I duno, pick one of the weirdly unique characters and you might enjoy them (imo ZSS, Wario, Diddy, Snake)
Wolydarg
Smash Journeyman
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183492
In the AT section, unfortunately ROB doesn't have many AT's. (As stated one page ago >_>)
As for my previous question, thanks for all the input. I guess I kinda implied I wanted more of a technical challenge, but I played melee before and my fingers were just too ******** for it. I'll give Brawl+ a go but I guess I'll just have to learn to like this game somehow.
oh thanks, I'll read some of the info showed on that thread
btw, is there any video that shows everything?
actually I missed the word "video" on my previous post :/
JCaesar
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZejjfEsS58 <- The original video of gyrocanceling, which was discovered by toasty
Apparently I tried to get it named "gyrodashing" :X
Apparently I tried to get it named "gyrodashing" :X