Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Edition! Day 672: Five Most Likely First and Third Parties for Smash 6, and Final Goodbyes

[3DSNinja]

To make the Arms character stand out, they'd need a gimmick that's unlike what we've seen before, and SM, RG and Jara don't exactly scream "unprecedented mechanics" now do they?

No, they don't need gimmicks to feel different. Belmonts feel different, and they don't have gimmicks.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I agree with the replies, but ARMS talk is off-topic now. There were like 2 days to rate that. Likewise, it's too late to rate yesterday's concept. Today's topic is Alucard.

Spoiler: Nominations post-Concept: New Zelda character pre-Alucard

[Rerate] Concept: Dragalia Lost rep x120
Concept: Civilization series stage with music (Standalone) x120
[Rerate] Concept: Gen 8 Pokémon x115
Junko & Monokuma x110
Axel Stone x110
Earthworm Jim x105
Concept: DLC music packs x95
Concept: Level-5 rep x95

100 - 51

Concept: Pokéball Pokémon becomes playable x88
Decidueye x80
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Meowth x78
Proto Man x75
Papyrus x75
Sackboy x75
Concept: Nippon Ichi rep x75
Brian (Quest 64) x71
Ahri (League of Legends) x67
Guardian (Destiny) x65
Baldi (Baldi's Basics) x58

50 - 25

Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x50
Echo: Zeraora (41e) x45
Kasumi (Dead or Alive) x40
Terra Branford x40
[Rerate] Steve x40
Boss: Ender Dragon x39
[Rerate] Kratos x35
Echo: Dark Bowser (14e) x32
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x30
Echo: Lord Fredrik (67e) x29
Concept: Assist Trophies added in updates x27
Urbosa x27
Giygas x25
[Rerate] Saki Amamiya x25
Concept: No third parties in this Pass x25

Under 25

Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) x22
Concept: Returning stages x21
Gordon Freeman x20
Dr. Eggman x20
Concept: Second F-Zero rep x18
Rival Pokémon Trainer x17
Zeraora x15
Black Shadow x15
Frank West x15
Concept: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as Assist Trophies x15
Stage: Bowser's Castle x13
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x10
[Rerate] Agumon x10
Concept: Dark Souls rep x10
[Rerate] Monokuma x10
Gooigi x10
Gran/Djeeta x10
Lora and Jin x10
Otto Matic x10
The Avatar (Ultima) x10
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is mostly first-party x10
Chell x8
[Rerate] Professor Layton x8
Fulgore x7
Taranza x6
Sparky (Clash Royale) x5
Concept: Overwatch character x5
Asha (Wonder Boy) x5
Mii Costume: Hat Kid x5
Concept: Portal 2 rep x5
Concept: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content x5
Breath of the Wild 2 Ganondorf x5
Tick (Brawl Stars) x5
King Graham x5
Concept: Fortnite character x5
Magolor x5
[Rerate] Andy x5
Cooking Mama x5
[Rerate] Toxtricity x5
Mii Costume: Jill Stingray x5
Jill (Drill Dozer) x5
Three Mage Sisters x2
Concept: A Pokémon Trainer who fights x2
Concept: A fighter who uses all kicks x2
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x2

Earthworm Jim blasts past 100 noms.

Concept: No third parties in this Pass reaches 25 noms.

 

[warpenguin55]

Abstain on Alucard. I don't really want to talk about him today, I plan on running through the majority of assist trophies during the all assist trophy anyway.

Predict: Sirfetch'd 15%

Noms: Baldi x5

 

[GoodGrief741]

Half a miserable little pile of secrets

Chance: 16%
I obviously don't think being an Assist Trophy or a second unique character in a third party franchise matters at all, you know me. Alucard is a huge icon, and one of the faces of Castlevania, so if there's a rule he's got the capital to break it.

Now, we know that Sakurai considered having Alucard over Simon because of his popularity. That already is high esteem, he considered going against what is obviously the best way to represent Castlevania for this guy. Chun-Li and Terra may be big deals, but they were never considered over Ryu and Cloud (typing it like that it sounds like Sakurai's a huge sexist, that's not what I'm going for). So I think his odds aren't bad.

However, his problem is the same problem with Disney+: content, or the lack thereof. It's not that there isn't enough absent Castlevania content, it's that Alucard is heavily associated with one of, if not the most iconic game in the franchise, Symphony of the Night. So it would make sense for an Alucard pack to be themed around that game. Thing is, most of the content that would come with such a pack is already in the game. SotN takes place entirely within the castle, which is already a stage. Maria, Shaft, Dracula, and obviously Richter are already present. So that means that an Alucard pack would have to be a mishmash of absent Castlevania content. I don't think it's that big an issue, but it's weirder than it would be for other franchises given how varied Castlevania's representation is and Alucard's association with one game.

Moveset isn't a problem, that doesn't even need to be explained and is one of the biggest reasons to include him.

At the end of the day, Konami also has Bomberman as an AT, and he's much more likely to be promoted because it's easier to make a Pass out of him and I'm pretty sure he's more demanded than any of the Castlevania cast. There's also other franchises like Frogger, Contra or Silent Hill, but that's not very strong competition.

Want: 100%
Alucard's an incredibly compelling character, and a joy to play as. His AT gives just a glimpse into his potential and it's already one of the coolest in the game. Let's give this devil his due.

Noms: Earthworm Jim x5
Sirfetch'd prediction: uhh 1.5%

 

[BowserKing]

Alucard

Chance: 15%. He was going to be playable in this game, but instead, the Belmonts were chosen, so that fact the he was considered would give him a bit of a chance. While he is an assist Trophy, he has shown moveset potential in this game. Of course there is competition and the fact that Castlevania is very well represented in Smash, but then again, it's not impossible.

Want: 60%. He would be a fun character to play as, with deadly abilities that will make him different from the Belmonts. Either way, I can see Dracula be the final boss and see Ridley be one of his opponents in his classic mode. Overall, while he is not my most wanted assist promotion, he has potential to be in this game.

Prediction: Sir Fetch'd (15%)

Noms: 3 for Gooigi and 2 for Rival Pokemon Trainer

 

[NintenRob]

Alucard
Chance 1%
Want 0%
I just don't see it, we've never had a third party franchise get more than one unique character and I don't see why Alucard would be the first, especially since Castlevania also already has an echo fighter. And as an Assist trophy upgrade, I also think he'd be low on the totem pole on who they choose. Castlevania got a lot in the game, an item, loads of songs and spirits, the absolute most iconic location. I don't really think a fighter pack would be that interesting, at least not for me

Nominate no third parties in this pass x5

Prediction sir fetched 2%

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Adrian Farenheights Tepes (yes that's his real name, and then Warren complains about Grant Danasty's name)

Chance:1%

I never give any character a 0%. As long as it is a VG character, it can happen. But this one.........yeah no reason to think so for now. Back in the Smash 4 days i always thought that if it was a Castlevania character that was going to get into the roster, it was Simon. He is the most prominent, the original and most important of all he is usually the one that is used as the Castlevania mascot in Konami's crossover games. Simon Fought Optimus Prime, Simon went around Skateboarding, Simon became a pervert and started playing Mahjong (im not making any of this up), etc. Alucard sometimes appears in these types of games........3 games to be exact (japanese exlusive versions of Scribblenauts 1 and 2 and Oreca battle, and in the latter Simon also appears anyway).

It's like a Mega Man (and other incarnations of Mega Man) vs Zero situation, sure the series isn't named Simon or Belmonts, but Simon and his Belmont family are inseparable from the Castlevania franchise. Alucard may steal the spotlight once or twice, but he's not gonna ever be the mainline star in my eyes. Yes Symphony of the Night is the most critically acclaimed entry of the franchise (and i do believe it deserves a lot of its praise) but it is telling that despite the game's popularity, Alcuard has never starred on a sequel, all of his appereances after Sotn are as a side character (just like his debut in Castlevania 3). So im not surpised Sakurai considered Alucard just because of the praise of Symphony of the Night, only to realize his role in that game was an outliar of his common role as a side character, and went with the Belmonts instead.

So back in Smash 4 and Ultimate, i always saw Simon as the only choice. After all he is the hero whose gameplay style and role in the franchise would become a basis for the entire Belmont clan as whole, even non Belmonts (The Morris clan and Nathan Graves have similar playstyle) while Alucard debuted as a side character, became the main star of a very acclaimed game.............aaaaaaand went back to become a side character. Hell Soma got to star on a sequel of his own game while Alucard was just an extra unlockable in said sequel. I mean damn at least Zero got a tetralogy.

Now that Simon is in Smash and throwing crosses at people and making them cry everytime he appears in an online match, this is no longer an issue. 3rd party Franchises can get multiple reps (hell Castlevania was the first one to ever do this) but only echoes so far have done this. Even then, i don't sea 3rd party DLC coming from an already represented series. All of Figher Pass 1's guests have been completely new to Smash, and i reckon Sakurai likes introducing new 3rd party universes instead of treading on old ground. That could easily change in the next Smash but as of now, i see this as beign the status quo.

and if we get an AT promotion, i only see Waluigi or Spring Man. maybe after one of these 2 make it in i can see more, but i think Sakurai would go for First Party Assists instead. Honestly the only 3rd party promotion i see happening is Geno, anyone else is likely gonna be first party (because all the important non-playable nintendo characters are spirits or Assists).

Yes there's the Netflix series too but..........seeing how Trevor's spirit in Ultimate (and his appereance in Grimoire of Souls) are based on Curse of Darkness, the cartoon likely had no effect in Smash at all and likely never will (thank god)

Want:10%
If this was before Simon's reveal, i would have given him a big fat 0. I hated how people overrate Alucard as this all mighty main face of the series when it coulnd't be farther from the truth. But thankfully Simon won out so i don't have to be a petty fanboy.

Im gonna be honest. I always hate it when the main character is overshadowed by:
-The overused edgy rival who is inevitably gonna fail at beating the hero and instead become its frienemy.
-The moody antihero side character who sometimes overlap with the above. Bonus points if its a bishonen.
-The waifu. Either it's a thot who only exists for sex appeal, or it's a kawaii female that tries too hard to show how "cool" she is.
-The annoying as generic mascot who's meant to be cutesy to sell merchandise, or it's an annoying comic relief (*Chough* Rabbids *Cough*)

So you can guess that i was quite miffed when all the evidence supporting Simon was always tossed aside just because "BUT MUH SYMPHONY WAS SO GOOD". Again, that is all in the past now thanks to Simon beign in.

Despite how harsh i have been towards Alucard in this post, i don't want you to think i hate Alucard. I like him, i can see his appeal. Sure he may have aspects of the above i mentioned (Bishonen Moody Antihero) but he is a likeable character (at least his game counterpart) and really fun to play as. I can see why people saw him as a breath of fresh air after all those macho Belmonts in the earlier games (you know when the Belmonts looked like masculine men, nothing against the likes of Leon Belmont or Juste Belmont but it kinda makes Alucard less unique, you know?) and im happy that despite Alucard's massive popularity after Symphony, they didn't try to milk him for all its worth like Capcom did with Zero (X should have been included in MVC3 too, no excuses) and instead used him to help heroes across the large timeline of the Castlevania series going from the middle ages from CV3 all the way into modern day in the Sorrow games. and Symphony is an amazing game. I consider CV2 the real first metroidvania, but Symphony is truly where the formula actually worked. It's one of my favorites alongside SCV4, Aria of Sorrow and Rondo of Blood.

Still despite that though, while i like him, i have no major interest for him in Smash. He definetly would be fun to play as, but when it comes to third parties, i prefer brand new universes getting a chracter for the first time. Like i rather have Bomberman for instace, that dude should have been in Smash as a playable character. and as for characters from already reperesented series, i prefer Nintendo ones like Dixie Kong or Bandanna Dee.

But i have to say i don't like him in the Neflix series, at all. I don't like how it feels like "The Alucard Show", he should be sleeping on his coffin after defeating his dad (at least until Symphony happens). But honestly i dropped the series after the first season entirely when i saw Grant wasn't involved so i really don't care about this show anymore.

Noms:

EDIT:No THIRD Parties in Fighter Pass 2 X5

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Alucard

Chance: 10% - Castlevania already has a ton of content in the game, and I don't see Nintendo double dipping in this regard, even if Alucard has popularity backing him up. With all of the content there, it could be challenging to design a challenger pack around him, even if there's a decent amount to pull from Symphony of the Night. Furthermore, he's an extremely versatile assist trophy, and while upgrades are possible, I don't see them wanting to throw away all of the work it took to make him. And this is even further out of the question if Spring Man doesn't end up being our ARMS rep. I can see Sakurai revisiting him at some point, but like with Street Fighter, there's already a significant amount of Castlevania content in the game, so I can't see Nintendo finding it desirable over representing a new franchise.

Want: Abstain - I have little experience with Castlevania so overall I'm neutral. But like with Chun-Li, if we get another Konami rep I'd rather see it from an unrepresented Konami series.


Nominations:
Concept: Civilization series stage with music (standalone) x5

Predictions:
Sirfetch'd - 5.25%

 

[Jomosensual]

Might want to pick something else to nom since this is already deconfirmed

No First Parties in Fighter Pass 2 X5

 

[GoodGrief741]

don't see why Alucard would be the first

Because he's fricking Alucard! If not he, then who?

Even then, i don't sea 3rd party DLC coming from an already represented series. All of Figher Pass 1's guests have been completely new to Smash, and i reckon Sakurai likes introducing new 3rd party universes instead of treading on old ground. That could easily change in the next Smash but as of now, i see this as beign the status quo

ARMS tho? That's already DLC from a represented series, and very likely a character that was already in Smash.

No First Parties in Fighter Pass 2

Uh... The first fighter is already a first party.

while upgrades are possible, I don't see them wanting to throw away all of the work it took to make him.

It's not like the Assist Trophy would be deleted. Alucard's is already set up not to show up in stages with reflections. Having it not show up when he's a fighter isn't "throwing away their work".

 

[Perkilator]

It's not like the Assist Trophy would be deleted. Alucard's is already set up not to show up in stages with reflections. Having it not show up when he's a fighter isn't "throwing away their work".

Well, I’m not so sure that’s as simple as one would think. Having the Assist Trophy disabled when they’re playable wouldn’t be as easy as disabling them on specific stages, because that would mean going through the trouble of disabling it for EVERY SINGLE STAGE as opposed to just one.

 

[NintenRob]

Because he's fricking Alucard! If not he, then who?

Zero, Tails, Chun Li, any number of Final Fantasy characters.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Well, I’m not so sure that’s as simple as one would think. Having the Assist Trophy disabled when they’re playable wouldn’t be as easy as disabling them on specific stages, because that would mean going through the trouble of disabling it for EVERY SINGLE STAGE as opposed to just one.

It wouldn't be any harder, it's a simple toggle that already exists. Coding-wise they don't have to create anything new.

Zero, Tails, Chun Li, any number of Final Fantasy characters.

I'd say Alucard is on the same level as those characters.

 

[Cadillac]

It would be funny if he had an alt where he looks the same, but his name is Alucart.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Might want to pick something else to nom since this is already deconfirmed

Uh... The first fighter is already a first party.
.

Oops!, i mean THIRD Parties, sorry i had a brain fart in there..........

 

[Ninjaed]

Alucard

Chance: 1%
I don't see him happening for several reasons, but mostly because if asked, Konami would choose a rep from another series of theirs. People have already been talking about Castlevania.

Want: 80%
Which is a shame because I'd have much preferred him. He's more stylish (hey, that counts Dracula too), has access to more stuff, more versatile... completely OP in his game, so much so people play him without equipment for a challenge... On second thought, maybe it's a good thing Alucard didn't become Ultimate Meta Knight.

Predictions: Sirfetch'd - 1%

Nominations: Concept: fighter from repped 3rd party franchise x5 (e.g. Alucard from Castlevania, Eggman from Sonic, etc...)

 

[Cadillac]

Alucard

Chance: 1%
I don't see him happening for several reasons, but mostly because if asked, Capcom would choose a rep from another series of theirs. People have already been talking about Castlevania, a new rep wouldn't be as good as say Dante.

Want: 80%
Which is a shame because I'd have much preferred him. He's more stylish (hey, that counts Dracula too), has access to more stuff, more versatile... completely OP in his game, so much so people play him without equipment for a challenge... On second thought, maybe it's a good thing Alucard didn't become Ultimate Meta Knight.

Predictions: Sirfetch'd - 1%

Nominations: Concept: fighter from repped 3rd party franchise x5 (e.g. Alucard from Castlevania, Eggman from Sonic, etc...)

Isn't Castlevania Konami's property?

 

[Ninjaed]

Isn't Castlevania Konami's property?

Well, isn't the first time I've mixed them up. Won't be the last either. I don't know why, it only happens with these 2, now that Square Enix have merged (used to mix them up too).

 

[DaUsername]

Dracula backwards
Chance: 0.1%
Unless Konami sells off the Castlevania franchise to Nintendo, I don't see this happening. First of all, he's an Assist Trophy, which is the worst thing in Smash Bros. you can be. Second of all, Castlevania already has a good amount of content, with 2 fighters, 34 songs, a stage, an AT, and even a boss, all introduced in this game. Do you really think they'd add another fighter/stage on top of that so soon? Finally, Alucard was considered for the base game but they went with Simon/Richter instead, why would they change their mind so quickly and add in Alucard anyway?
Want: 15%
I was gonna leave this score alone, but then I remembered that he's in direct competition with the other Konami AT, Bomberman. I don't really have much against Alucard himself, I just think Bomberman would be the better choice.

Sirfetch'd (didn't we already rate this?) prediction: 5%
Noms: Gen 8 Pokémon x5
EDIT: Added want score

 

[Sari]

Alucard

Chance: 10%
He was considered to be playable in the base game, so Sakurai could always go back on that idea especially since we may have our first AT promotion soon assuming Spring Man gets promoted. I feel like Sakurai has other priorities when it comes to promoting AT's and even if we did get another Konami character it'd probably be Bomberman.

Want: Abstain
Never really got into Castlevania so I won't comment. When it comes to more Konami characters though, Bomberman is still my number one most wanted.

Why are we rating all of these random Pokemon chance prediction: 1.10%

Nominations:
Axel Stone x5

 

[Ninjaed]

Dracula backwards
Chance: 0.1%
Unless Konami sells off the Castlevania franchise to Nintendo, I don't see this happening. First of all, he's an Assist Trophy, which is the worst thing in Smash Bros. you can be. Second of all, Castlevania already has a good amount of content, with 2 fighters, 34 songs, a stage, an AT, and even a boss, all introduced in this game. Do you really think they'd add another fighter/stage on top of that so soon? Finally, Alucard was considered for the base game but they went with Simon/Richter instead, why would they change their mind so quickly and add in Alucard anyway?
Want: N/A

Sirfetch'd (didn't we already rate this?) prediction: 5%
Noms: Gen 8 Pokémon x5

Wait, 34 songs?! I didn't realise we had that many!

 

[DanganZilla5]

First of all, he's an Assist Trophy, which is the worst thing in Smash Bros. you can be.

In terms of chances for playable status? The assist trophy rule is in hot water right now considering the situation with ARMS.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Alucard:

Chance: 0% - I'm absolutely certain we've gotten all the Castlevania content we're going to get in this game. While it does have more to offer, it's pretty well represented as is, so I highly doubt it's a priority for them to expand on it in the near future.

Want: 90% - SotN is a fantastic game, and Alucard's movement and abilities are a huge part of that, so I'd love to see that be translated into Smash. I probably have the wrong impression of him as a personality since I've only played the original dub version of the game, in which he comes off as unintentionally dorky a lot of the time, but I probably had a better time with that version of the character than I would have had otherwise, so in that regard I do also like him. I will say that I'm happy we got Simon first, as he's the definitive Castlevania character to me, but that doesn't mean that I would enjoy Alucard any less.

 

[GoodGrief741]

if asked, Konami would choose a rep from another series of theirs

Companies don't get to choose what character they put in Smash, Nintendo/Sakurai decides, asks, and if rejected that's it. There's no counteroffer.

Finally, Alucard was considered for the base game but they went with Simon/Richter instead, why would they change their mind so quickly and add in Alucard anyway?

Simon and Richter were added because they're the best options for a first Castlevania rep. Now that they're out of the way, nothing's keeping Alucard out.

 

[RouffWestie]

Alucard
Chance: 20%
Castlevania getting another fighter in Ultimate would be questionable, since it already got almost all the content it could have possibly gotten in the base game. At the very least, It's confirmed Alucard was initially considered as the Castlevania rep. Nintendo picking Alucard could be seen as them simply including another fan favorite, but I would have to question why they picked him above all the other potential fan favorites of other franchises.

Want: 40%
I don't really like/dislike him. I think he'd be inoffensive and not someone who would sell the pass for me, but he'd probably be okay. I'm perfectly content with Simon as the Castlevania rep.

Nomination: Concept: Nippon Ichi rep x5

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Alucard
Chance: 2%
He's definitely the fruntrunner for a new Castlevania rep in Smash Bros, but since we have both Simon and Richter, I doubt we'll get another rep anytime soon. Also, he is already an assist trophy.

Want: 95%
He is a very iconic and interesting character who has a ton of unique skills. I'd personally love to see him join the battle, though his chances to do so will be stronger once Smash 6 rolls around.

Nom: Darkstalkers Rep x5

 

[Sid-cada]

Alucard

Chance - 0.5% - A third-party that is already represented, who already is an assist trophy? Any one of those would be considered an obstacle, and together it feels near insurmountable. If Konami where to get an assist trophy promotion Bomber Man is much more likely.

Want - 45% - I've had my fill on Castlevania at the moment. While he might be cool, I'd rather focus on other franchises at the moment.


Nominations

Nippon Ichi Rep X5

 

[DaUsername]

In terms of chances for playable status? The assist trophy rule is in hot water right now considering the situation with ARMS.

Until I see official footage of a playable Spring Man in Smash Ultimate, I'm still of the belief that ATs won't get promoted for DLC.
I'd be glad if I was wrong about this, though.

Simon and Richter were added because they're the best options for a first Castlevania rep. Now that they're out of the way, nothing's keeping Alucard out.

Fair enough. I still don't think he'd be added so soon, though.

 

[Sari]

Day over.

Rate Sirfetch'd from Pokemon.

Predict Concept: Assist Trophy Becomes Playable.

Expect the day to end in a little over 24 hours since I'm like 99% sure how these Sirfetch'd ratings are gonna turn out.

Megadoomer

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Some songs to get into the Pokemon mood:

Spoiler: Even more Pokemon Music

I've legit lost track of how many Gen 8 Pokemon ratings we've done in the past couple of months alone so I apologize for any song repeats.

 

[Perkilator]

MY SHIELD BOI
Chance: Up in the air
Now, Sirfetch’d hasn’t even shown up in the anime yet (as far as I’m aware). That‘s probably one factor on top of having competition in the form of all the starters and other popular Pokémon.

Want: 100%
YES. PLEASE. Sirfetch’d is one of my favorite Gen VIII Pokémon due to its unique concept. I’d be okay with a Gen VIII rep regardless, just as long as they’re fun to play. But Sirfetch’d is the cream of the crop for my Gen VIII rep requests.

Assist Trophy promotion: 50%

Noms: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as Assist Trophies x5

 

[NintenRob]

Chance 0%
There are so many Pokemon and to me Sirfetct'd is just another one of many. He doesn't stand out compared to the starters or Toxtricity.
Want 50%
He's got a cool design, and I'd like to use him on my team one day. But I played Shield so my experience with him is limited. And him being a version exclusive doesn't make him an ideal Pokemon rep in my eyes.

Nominate no third parties in this pass x5

Prediction Assist Trophies 49%

 

[Jomosensual]

Alright, can rip this one out quick before bed

Generic Anime Swordsman

Chance 0 - Pretty unlikely since Nintendo is seemingly just going for status pokemon now like Legendary, Starters, and maybe Mythicals. Sirfetch'd is none of those. As for the normal, regular Pokemon go Sirfetchd is one of the more popular but still less popular than Toxtricity, who seems like the pick if they were t go that route. Overall I cant say I'd hate this but I'd expect to be far, far more likely to make a Poken Tournament game first

Want 50 - I like Sirfetch'd so I wouldn't mind. There's other Pokemon I'd like first but there's nothing that would get me bothered about Sirfetch'd being in the game.

Predictions
Assist Trophy Upgrades - 45%

Noms
Guardian x5

 

[Sari]

Sirfetch'd

I'm just gonna copy and paste what I wrote on Falinks day. Literally everything I said about Falinks applies here and I'm really tired of rating Gen 8 Pokemon in this thread.

Chance: 0%
The only Gen VIII Pokemon I can see happening are the starters, Toxitricity, and a shill pick for the new Sword/Shield DLC. I don't see why they'd go for this random Pokemon when the other candidates are much more popular and have way better moveset potential. Oh and that's assuming the spirit event from November (months after more DLC was announced) doesn't full-on deconfirm a Gen VIII rep as a whole.

Want: 0%
Cinderace is the only Gen VIII Pokemon that remotely raises my interest. I don't care about any of the other candidates and Sirfetch'd just seems better off as a pokeball Pokemon instead of an actual character. Not to mention I stopped caring about Pokemon a while ago so I'm not really clamoring for yet another Pokemon character to get into Smash.

Assist Trophy promotion chance prediction: 45.00%

Nominations:
Axel Stone x5

 

[3DSNinja]

Arceus, Thank You.
Chance:10%: He's really popular, is unique among Pokemon reps, and is a promo mon. He also isn't a spirit unlike the starters, which gives him an edge.
Eant:100%: Hell yes. My favorite mom from Gen 8, he's got a unique design and is just pretty badass. My second choice for a new Pokemon besides Chandelure.
Nominations: Gordon Freeman x5

 

[amageish]

SirFetch'd

Chance: 2%. SirFetch'd is... another gen eight Pokemon. I still think a Pokemon is possible - it's the highest grossing media franchise of all time and if there is one franchise that is going to get a spirit event and then a DLC spirit board, it's Pokemon - but I just don't see them picking this one. It's a popular Pokemon with one of the more interesting gimmick-based evolution methods, but that's... kind of all it is. This rating could go up if SirFetch'd ends up super important in the anime or something, but for now... It's another gen eight Pokemon. The competition is intense and it's a long road.

Want: 50%. If we have to get another Pokemon, I want it to be one that isn't bipedal. I can imagine SirFetch'd having a fun moveset (while also making Smash Bros sense of scale height-wise even more confusing). I'm not willing to go all-in though, as if we're getting a Gen Eight Pokemon... I would want a Pokemon that is 100% original to gen eight. I really like the concept of regional variants/region-specific evolutions and SirFetch'd is one of the cooler byproducts of that. I don't think I'd want one to represent the region in Smash Brothers though.

AT Prediction: 60%. Oh boy. Tomorrow will be fun...

Noms: Level-5 rep x 5

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Sirfetch'd

Chance: 5% - Gonna keep this brief since we just rated Falinks and what applies to it also applies to Sirfetch'd. It doesn't promote the DLC and isn't a starter or legendary, so its chances fall a ton based on that. And while TCPI did market it a bit in prerelease (unlike Falinks and Toxtricity), it still doesn't seem like the Pokemon they'd try to push.

Want: 50% - I love Pokemon, and while Sword and Shield could've been MUCH better, the 8th gen has some great designs. Plus having Sirfetch'd gives us a character with a huge lance, which is a new achtype and could make for a very interesting moveset. Throw in a critical hit mechanic like what is needed to evolve it and it could be a very wacky and fun character!


Nominations:
Louie (Pikmin) x5

Predictions:
Assist Trophy Upgrades - 62.52% - Expect chaos to triumph over order here as any logic is declared a "dirty" fan rule, and this is coming from someone who wants Waluigi. Either way I hope the discussion doesn't get too heated, especially since the uncertainty of our upcoming ARMS rep really has things up in the air.

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

I want a new Farfetch'd, one with a new type
Double zeroes
Looking at the Pokémon already in Smash makes it clear that Pokémon with less importance than the starters or the ridiculously popular ones are often just saved for the Pokéball item. Sirfetch'd is one of those mons. Unless this guy gets a movie in the future or something it remains pretty unimportant right now. I guess TPC revealed this one in a special way but then again, we're talking about the company who thought it was funny to make 10 hour stream just for revealing Galarian Ponyta.
Once again, I do not want gen 8 anywhere near the roster right now. Doesn't matter how fun or quirky the Pokémon is. Sirfetch'd is no exception.

Assist Trophy upgrade: 59.85%
Dr. Eggman x5

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sirfetch'd

Chances: 1%. It's a very popular Pokemon and fairly notable on its own, but not high enough on the totem pole either. There's multiple Legendaries, the new bear, the starters, and so on.

Want: ...80%. It's the only Gen VIII Pokemon to interest me right now. That said, I kind of don't care if we get a Gen VIII Pokemon or any in general.

AT Predictions: 33.3333333333333%. Mainly, I expect Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, or Dr. Coyle at best for ARMS. They're the overall main characters. Since ARMS is the only it could be, well, the score reflects that.

Noms: Food Brian(Quest 64) x 4, Fulgore x 1

I don't know if that's enough reasoning, and that's fine if it isn't. I haven't played my game copies yet, so.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I mean, I know I said I wanted to see some leaks, but this is just absurd! *Seinfeld music*

Double zeroes
Oh joy another Gen 8 Pokemon, it's good because it's not like we've all already given our two cents on the matter. Gen 8 is disconfirmed because it got a Spirit event it wouldn't have gotten if one was planned. Even if it did Sirfetch'd wouldn't get in despite its popularity because the way Pokemon are chosen sucks. I don't want anymore Pokemon because there's too many and other franchises deserve the spot more. Though if we did get one at least Sirfetch'd is a really cool choice. I can't bring myself to feel angry or passionate about this rating because it's 5:30 in the morning and I realize that I must've made some terrible decisions along the way to be typing this right now.

Noms: Earthworm Jim x5
Prediction: ARMS is a thing, so why not? 73.44%

I'm really tired of rating Gen 8 Pokemon in this thread.

Well, look on the bright side, at least next week is clear, right?

 

[Ninjaed]

Sirfetch'd - double 0

Not sure what more there is to say to what everyone else did. What exactly could warrant his inclusion over any other, more popular pokémon? I can't see anything. Pokémon are legion and he's merely one of the masses. I myself would love to see Mawile in Smash but why would she ever be? She's no Greninja or Mewtwo. Same with Sirfetch'd.

Predictions: Assist Trophy becomes playable - 30%

Nominations: Concept: fighter from repped 3rd party franchise x5