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Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Edition! Day 672: Five Most Likely First and Third Parties for Smash 6, and Final Goodbyes

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Day over.

Rate Concept: DLC Music Packs

Tomorrow marks day #3 of our 5 weekly ARMS ratings, so predict Twintelle, Bite & Barq, and Kid Cobra.

Megadoomer Megadoomer

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This concept is really broad so I'll be posting some popular video game songs that couldn't make it into Smash (yet).


Oh and as a bonus here are my personal 3 most wanted tracks for Ultimate:

 

Jomosensual

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DLC Music

Chance 1 - Technically just based off the name it should be a 100 since all the characters come with music but if I'm not being a smart ass for a second I don't think so. Could have maybe seen it pre coronavirus but when they've likely lost time to it already I don't expect any. It's a lot like the idea of random echos or stages being made for the game where it's not impossible but unlikely.

Want 60 - I mean, I guess. There's not much I feel like is super missing but there's literally no reason to be against this happening. Some of these songs listed above I thought were in the game already TBH

Predictions
Twintelle - 62%
Kid Cobra - 12%
Byte and Barq 4%

Noms:
Stretchers x5
 

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music packs a.k.a another way of getting streets of rage music in smash

chance: 5%
i don't think it's happening at this point tbh. it feels like something that would have already been part of the original dlc plan all the way back

want: 100%
oh hell yes i want as much music as possible
 
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Where’s the Music Meister when you need him? (WARNING: LONG POST)
Chance: 0%

Not happening, unfortunately. Any songs that were DLC outside the Fighter’s Pass (the two we got) we’re attached to Mii Costumes.

Want: 100%
Which is a shame, because we could use WAY more music. I’d LOVE to have some extra ones as DLC!

Btw, just for Christmas-listing sake, here’re some songs I wish were in the game:

Know what? I'm just gonna post my picks for FF songs, but limit it mostly to mainline games. Knowing Square, they'd probably ask for 2-3 songs MAX, including more songs from VII, if we ever did get more FF songs. (Bold indicates a new remix, italics indicates another version of the song)

Final Fantasy I
Prelude
(by Nobuo Uematsu)
Main Theme (30th anniversary edition)
Last Battle (from PSX/PSP)

Final Fantasy II
Battle Scene (by Jun Senoue)
Boss Scene B (from PSX/PSP)
Final Battle (from PSX/PSP)

Final Fantasy III
Final Battle (from DS)

Final Fantasy IV
Boss Battle
(by Shota Kageyama)
Dreadful Fight (from DS)
Final Battle (original)

Final Fantasy V
Battle on the Big Bridge
(by Yoko Shimomura)
Decisive Battle (original)
Last Battle (from Dissidia 012)

Final Fantasy VI
Terra's Theme
(by Yoshino Aoki)
Decisive Battle (from Dissidia)
Dancing Mad~Final Tier (original)

Final Fantasy VII
Electric de Chocobo (original)
J-E-N-O-V-A (by Tomoya Ohtani)
One Winged Angel (from FFVII Reunion Tracks)

Final Fantasy VIII
Force Your Way (from Dissidia 012)
The Man with the Machine Gun (by Yusuke Takahama)
The Extreme (original)

Final Fantasy IX
Battle 2 (original)
Dark Messenger (by Shota Kageyama)

Final Fantasy X
Seymour Battle (original)
Otherworld (original)
A Contest of Aeons (by Nobuo Uematsu)

Final Fantasy XII
Boss Battle (original)
Battle for Freedom (by Takeshi Kuramochi)

Final Fantasy XIII
Blinded by Light
(by ACE)
Saber's Edge (original)

Final Fantasy XV
Stand Your Ground/Careening Into Danger
(by Yoko Shimomura)
Apocalypsis Noctis (from Tekken 7)
Veiled in Black (from Dissidia NT)
Red and Blue/FireRed and LeafGreenp
Trainer/Gym Leader
Champion (Red and Blue)
Team Rocket Hideout (Example, fan-made)


Gold and Silver/HeartGold and SoulSilver
Gym Leader (Example, fan-made)
Vs. Lance/Red

Ending Theme (Example, fan-made)

Ruby and Sapphire/OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
Pokémon Center

Primal Groupon/Kyogre
Elite 4 (Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald)

Vs. Deoxys

Diamond and Pearl
Team Galactic Grunt~New Remix (Example, fan-made)

Vs. Cyrus

Black and White/Black 2 and White 2
Champion Iris (Example, fan-made)

Vs. Ghetsis
Vs. N
Vs. Colress


X and Y
Wild Pokémon (Example, fan-made)

Vs. Xerneas/Yveltal

Sun and Moon/UltraSun and UltraMoon
Vs. Ultra Beast/Recon Squad (Example, fan-made)
Vast Poni Canyon (Example, fan-made)
Welcome to the Alola Region

Team Skull Grunt
Vs. Totem Pokémon

Royal Avenue
Vs. Lusamine
Vs. Guzma
Vs. Giovanni
Vs. Ultra Necrozma


Other Games
Vs. Rayquaza
Primal Dialga’s Fight to the Finish

Palkia’s Onslaught (Example, fan-made)
Vs. Mewtwo (Pokémon Stadium)

Vs. Mewtwo (Pokémon Rumble)
Vs. Greevil
Miror B.’s Retro Groove (Medley)

Minor Boss (Battle Revolution)
Pokémon Ranger Medley
Boss Battle (Learn with Pokémon: Typing Adventure)
Know what? I think I’ll include a gene list of music I would’ve loved to see in Ultimate (bold means new remix, * means a new remix I’d love to see Yoko Shimomura do, amd ^ means a different version (remix or not) of a song already in the game)

WARNING: VERY, VERY LONG LIST

Mario Series (10)
  • Star Maze (Super Mario Land 2; Fan-made example)
  • Vs. Wario (Super Mario Land 2)
  • Dire, Dire Docks (Super Mario 64)*
  • Hisstrocrat (Super Mario 3D World)
  • Tosterena (Super Mario Odyssey)
  • Steam Gardens (Super Mario Odyssey; Fan-made example)^
  • Broodals/Madame Broode (Super Mario Odyssey)
  • Beware the Forest’s Mushrooms (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)*
  • Vs. Cackeletta 1 (Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga)*
  • Final Battle Phase 2 (Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam)

Mario Kart Series (5)
  • Hyrule Circuit (Mario Kart 8)
  • Animal Crossing (Mario Kart 8)
  • Mute City (Mario Kart 8)
  • Big Blue (Mario Kart 8)
  • Coconut Mall (Mario Kart Wii)

Donkey Kong Series (8)
  • Showdown at the Tower (Donkey Kong GB)
  • Aquatic Ambience (Donkey Kong Country)
  • Bad Boss Boogie (Donkey Kong Country)
  • Stickerbrush Symphony~Tropical Freeze (Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy’s Kong Quest)^
  • Big Boss Blues (Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong’s Double Trouble)
  • Wizpig Race (Diddy Kong Racing)
  • K. Rool Duel (Donkey Kong 64)
  • Volcano Dome (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze)

Zelda Series (8)
  • Temple (Zelda II: The Adventure of Link)*^
  • Tal Tal Heights~New Remix (Link’s Awakening)^
  • Hyrule Field~New Remix (Ocarina of Time; Fan-made example)^
  • Ganondorf Battle (Ocarina of Time)
  • Boss Battle (Majora’s Mask)
  • Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)
  • Guardian Battle (Breath of the Wild)
  • Strong Enemy Battle (Breath of the Wild)

Metroid Series (3)
  • Brinstar Overgrown with Vegetation (Super Metroid; Fan-made example)
  • Skytown (Metroid Prime 3: Corruption)
  • Vs. Dark Samus (Metroid Prime 3: Corruption)

Yoshi Series (2)
  • Giant Baby Bowser (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island)
  • King Bowser’s Castle - Halls (Yoshi’s Wooly World; Fan-made example)

Kirby Series (10)
  • Vs. Nightmare (Kirby’s Adventure)
  • Vs. Dark Matter 2~Planet Robobot (Kirby’s Dream Land 2)
  • Factory Inspection~Planet Robobot (Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards)
  • Ripple Star (Kirby 64:The Crystal Shards)
  • Dark Meta Knight Battle~Triple Deluxe (Kirby and the Amazing Mirror)
  • Meadow Breeze (Kirby Mass Attack; Fan-made example)
  • Vs. Grand Doomer (Super Ability)/Another Dimension (Kirby’s Return to Dream Land; Fan-made example)
  • Sullied Grace (Kirby Triple Deluxe)*
  • Pink Ball Activate! (Kirby Planet Robobot)^
  • Song of Supplication (Kirby Star Allies)

Star Fox Series (2)
  • Eledard (Star Fox 2)
  • Vs. Andross (Star Fox 64)

MOTHER/Earthbound Series (All the songs I’m going to list have fan-made examples in these playlists) (6)
  • Battle with a Dangerous Foe/Poltergeist (MOTHER/Earthbound Beginnings)
  • New Age Retro Hippie (MOTHER/Earthbound series)
  • All That I Needed Was You (MOTHER/Earthbound Beginnings)
  • Cease to Exist (AKA Pokey Means Business) (Earthbound)
  • Hotel Yado (MOTHER 3)
  • Mr. Batty Twist (MOTHER 3)

Fire Emblem Series (like Earthbound, several remix examples can be found from these videos) (35)
  • Story 2: Each Map’s Beginning (Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light)
  • Path of the Hero-King~Fates (Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light)
  • Together, We Ride~New Remix (Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light)^
  • Sweet Victory (Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light)
  • What Lies at the End (Alm Map 2) (Gaiden/Shadows of Valentia)
  • The Sacrifice and the Saint (Celica Map 2) (Gaiden/Shadows of Valentia)
  • Twilight of the Gods (Gaiden/Shadows of Valentia)
  • Dark Emperor Hardin (Mystery of the Emblem)
  • Prologue: Birth of a Holy Knight (Genealogy of the Holy War)
  • Chapter 2: Uprising in Augustria (Genealogy of the Holy War)
  • Endgame: The Final Holy War (Genealogy of the Holy War)
  • Beneath a New Light (Roy’s Courage) (Binding Blade)
  • Blessings of the Eight Generals I & II (Blazing Blade)
  • Determination/The Prince’s Despair (Sacred Stones)
  • Eternal Bond (Radiant Dawn)^
  • Those Who Dare to Change History (New Mystery of the Emblem)
  • Forbidden Sanctuary~Shadows of Valentia (New Mystery of the Emblem)
  • Conquest (Ablaze) (Awakening)^
  • Id (Hope) (Awakening)
  • Welob Tsap (Flow) (Fates)
  • Justice RIP (Storm) (Fates)
  • Misery in Hand (Fates)
  • Alight (Storm) (Fates)
  • Dusk Falls (Fire) (Fates)
  • Condemnation (Fates)
  • End of All (Below) (Fates)
  • The World Tree (Warriors)
  • Tempest of Seasons (Three Houses)
  • Dwellings of the Ancient Gods (Thunder) (Three Houses)
  • Life at Garreg Mach Monastery (Three Houses)
  • Roar of Dominiom (Three Houses)
  • Indomitable Will (Three Houses)
  • Shambhala (Area 17 Redux) (Three Houses)
  • God-Shattering Star (Three Houses)
  • Book IV Medley (Heroes)

Kid Icarus Series (4)
  • Skyworld (Kid Icarus)
  • Underworld Tower (Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters)
  • Sky World Tower (Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters)*
  • Dark Pit (Kid Icarus Uprising)

Wario Series (4)
  • Final Battle (Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land)
  • Crescent Moon Village (Wario Land 4; Fan-made example)
  • Large Fry Cook-Off (Wario Land: Shake It!)
  • Wii Dancing (WarioWare Smooth Moves)

Sonic Series (30)
  • Bridge Zone (Sonic (Game Gear); Fan-made example)
  • Chemical Plant Zone Act 2~Mania (Sonic the Hedgehog 2)
  • Death Egg Robot/Final Zone (Sonic 1&2)
  • Stardust Speedway Bad Future JP (Vs. Metal Sonic) (Sonic CD)
  • Cosmic Eternity~Believe in Yourself (Sonic CD; Fan-made example)
  • Sky Sanctuary~Generations Ver. (Sonic and Knuckles)
  • Speed Highway (Sonic Adventure)
  • For True Story (Sonic Adventure 2)
  • Supporting Me (Sonic Adventure 2)
  • Seaside Hill/Ocean Palace (Sonic Heroes)
  • Egg Emperor~Generations (Sonic Heroes)
  • What I’m Made Of (Sonic Heroes)
  • Right There, Ride On (Sonic Rush)
  • Metal Scratchin’ (Sonic Rush)
  • Back 2 Back (Sonic Rush)
  • Wrapped in Black (Sonic Rush)
  • Westopolis~Forces (Shadow the Hedgehog)
  • I Am All of Me (Shadow the Hedgehog)
  • Sand Ruins (Sonic Riders)
  • Babylon Garden (Sonic Riders)
  • Digital Dimension (Sonic Riders)
  • Crisis City~Generations, Modern (Sonic 2006)
  • It Has Come to This (Sonic and the Secret Rings)
  • Egg Dragoon~Generations (Sonic Unleashed)
  • Fight the Knight (Sonic and the Black Knight)
  • Planet Wisp (Sonic Colors)*
  • Deadly Six Medley (Sonic Lost World)
  • Studiopolis Zone Act 2 (Sonic Mania; Fan-made example)
  • Sunset Heights (Sonic Forces; Fan-made example)^
  • Aqua Road (Sonic Forces; Fan-made example)

Animal Crossing Series (3)

Punch-Out!! Series (6)
  • Bear Hugger’s Theme (Super Punch-Out!!)
  • Glass Joe’s Theme (Punch-Out!! (Wii))*
  • Disco Kid’s Theme (Punch-Out!! (Wii))
  • King Hippo’s Theme (Punch-Out!! (Wii))
  • Super Macho Man’s Theme (Punch-Out!! (Wii))
  • Mr. Sandman’s Theme (Punch-Out!! (Wii))

PAC-MAN/NAMCO Series (7)
  • King Galaxian (PAC-MAN World)
  • Clyde in the Caldera/Pinky’s Revenge (PAC-MAN World 2; Fan-made example)
  • Vs. Spooky (PAC-MAN World 2)
  • Retro Maze (PAC-MAN World Rally)
  • Galaga Arrangement Medley (Galaga Arrangement)
  • Time Crisis Medley (Time Crisis)
  • Wild Dog~Time Crisis 3 (Time Crisis)

Xenoblade Series (3)
  • Mechanical Rhythm (Xenoblade Chronicles; Fan-Made Example)^
  • The God-Slaying Sword (Xenoblade Chronicles)
  • Shevat, the Wind is Calling (Xenogears; Fan-made example)

Street Fighter Series (6)
  • Joe Stage (Fighting Street)
  • Akuma Stage Type A and B (Street Fighter II: The World Warrior)
  • Birdie Stage (Street Fighter Alpha)
  • Sakura Stage~Street Fighter IV (Street Fighter Alpha)
  • Nile (Gil Stage)~Street Fighter V (Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact)
  • You Blow My Mind (Dudley Stage)~Street Fighter IV (Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike)

Persona Series (5)
  • Life Will Change (Persona 5)
  • Blooming Villain (Persona 5)
  • I’ll Face Myself (Persona 4)^
  • Normal Battle (SMT Nocturne; Fan-made example)
  • Fierce Battle (SMT Nocturne; Fan-made example)

Dragon Quest Series (1)
  • Overture (Dragon Quest series)

Banjo-Kazooie Series (2)
  • Vs. Grunty (Banjo-Kazooie)
  • HAG-1 (Banjo-Tooie)

FATAL FURY/SNK Series (5)
  • 4,000 Years of Chinese History (FATAL FURY: King of Fighters)
  • Flame Dragon God (FATAL FURY 2)
  • Spread the Wings (Garou: Mark of the Wolves)
  • Mojo (Boogie/Ramble) (Art of Fighting 3)
  • This is True Love Makin’ (CAPCOM vs. SNK 2)

Track Total: 165
Sorry for the long quote filler, I‘m just REALLY passionate about this.

Twintelle: 60%
Kid Cobra: 5%
Byte & Barq: 0%


Noms: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as Assist Trophies x5
 

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Well I nominated this, might as well throw my hat into the ring!

Tunes to beat people up to

Chance: 5%. I don't wanna say it absolutely won't happen, but it's very likely to not happen. Even before this pandemic made it so that frivolous things like this would be among the first things cut to keep dev time reasonable, overall we don't have a precedent for it. Not just for Ultimate, but for both games worth of Smash DLC. All of it has been tied to something else. Overall this is something where if it was going to happen, it would have been long ago, and them just getting to it now would be rather odd. But right now there's just no way they have time for it, likely.

Want: 90%. Dear god, the music list in this game is already amazing. But it's missing some legendary tracks, some great tracks, some absolutely outstanding tracks. And the more music, the better, so of course this would be great to see. (Assuming it isn't overpriced, but hey, it'd still be an easy way to add something of value to the game.) Among the long mentioned missing tracks, some songs that are gaming legend like the Mario 64 Holy Trinity (Inside the Castle Walls, Koopa's Road, and Bowser's boss theme), pretty much any song from Sonic that isn't in Smash, and so many more that missed the boat and are unlikely to get their due in Challenger Packs or Mii Costumes in the future.

Frisk x 5. Twintelle can stand up to even Min-Min and Spring Man in terms of popularity, but some consider her disqualified because... reasons. 49.70%. Kid Cobra joins the M duo from yesterday in having no reason to be picked. 8.50%. Byte and Barq are even more complex than anybody else, and still have no reason to be picked. 3.72%.
 
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DLC music packs

Chance: 2%

At this point I don't see any content outside of the usual DLC (challenger packs, Mii costume) being included. I do give this concept a small benefit of the doubt because it would be a good way to represent some games that the Smash team might like to give a honorable mention to or whom the mascot/main character may not work well as a fighter and may not get an individual stage. But even then I can't see many characters meeting this criteria. As for veteran series though, this would make sense with series like Final Fantasy with an unreasonably low amount of music. But I really do believe the second fighters pass is all that is left (plus some more premium Mii costumes hopefully).

Want: 100%

Why not? Having more Final Fantasy music would be much appreciated. Plus there is music from both veteran and new series that I would love. I would want more Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Metal Gear, and Mega Man music. Plus if games like Minecraft do not end up getting a playable character, I would want at least some music, though in the case of Minecraft I would prefer a stage as well. But overall, having more music is never a bad thing, especially if they represent a series not involved with Smash yet (I can always dream of characters like Earthworm Jim, Kratos and Crypto getting some kind of content. Even music would be much appreciated).

Predictions:
Twintelle: 60%
Kid Cobra: 8%
Byte and Barq: 8%

Noms: Frank West x5
 

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DLC Music Packs

Chance: 5%. It's possible, but it doesn't really feel like something Nintendo would elect to do given their general DLC practices. It would also be pretty low-effort DLC and would probably sell decently, but it just feelings very... Nontendo. They've locked music behind amiibo in Three Houses? Music just feels like something they attach to other things you can buy - as we've already seen with the Mii Costumes. In fact, I'd sooner expect them to do some sort of "If you have save data for [insert game here], then you unlock extra music in Smash" deal - a move that is scientifically known as a "Reverse Persona 5 Strikers."

Want: 99%. I mean, I probably wouldn't buy most music, but there is plenty of music I would like to see in Smash Bros. I'll Echo (heh) other requests for "Twilight of the Gods" for sure. Final Fantasy getting any new music would make my interest in playing on Midgar go up significantly, especially "The Man With The Machine Gun" from FFVIII or "Trisection" from Tactics... I also find it kind of odd that Smash save data unlocks "Take Over" for use in Persona 5 Strikers when the song... isn't in Smash Bros.

Predictions: Twintelle: 75%. Kid Cobra: 10%. Byte/Barq: 2%.

Nominations: I'm going to wait and edit this in once we know what the top 7 is, I guess....
 

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DLC music pack

Chance: 1%
With the current direction the DLCs are heading in ultimate, I don't see it happening. Fighter packs with everything included at once seems to be all we're getting: stage + music + fighter + mii costumes + spirits. The only exception are like Rex's mii costume and Piranha Plant

Want: 100%
Who wouldn't want more great music in Smash? If I could buy more FF tracks more that Midgar stage, that'd be nice. There are more than 2 good tracks in the whole FF franchise. And the possibility of having a Trials or Legend of Mana track to set in my arenas... though I'm currently happy with my Persona 3 Mass Destruction. Baby baby baby baby baby!

Predictions:
Twintelle - 56%
Kid Cobra - 7%
Byte & Barq - 3%

Nominations: D.Va x5
 

warpenguin55

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DLC music pack

Chance: 0%
I really don't see them doing this. I think they would end up doing this as a free update or dropping a bunch of new tracks with a DLC character/premium costume.

Want: 40%
There are absolutely some tracks I want. I'd like any of the Team Skull battle themes and the gen 8 gym battle theme. (IDGAF about your opinion on gen 8, the gym battle theme is straight fire.) Hyrule warriors has Remnant of Twilight which is great. Then we have Astral Chain tracks. I love Astral Chain's music. Here's a playlist. My favorites are Task Force Neuron and Legion Assault. I like the FF7 Remake battle theme too, wish we could see it get in.

Noms: Ahri x5
 

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Music DLC separately;

Chances: 0%. Not unlike what I said last time, this means they have to license music but no character or costume to go along with it. This means it can't be free either because licensing costs money as is. The chances of people wanting to pay for music alone isn't all that high.

Want: 100%. I don't have any issue paying a little money for songs, as long as they're in bundles. There's tons of great music missing.

Predictions:
Twintelle: 1%. She doesn't really represents "ARMS" in itself, nor is a developer fan favorite nor actually is an important character to the game itself. She's popular, so I think she has a ghost of a chance.
Kid Cobra: 0%. There's no popularity factor, and isn't a main character as is. That seals the deal for me.
Byte & Barq: 0% same issue as Kid Cobra. Nothing going for them as is.

Noms: Fulgore x 5
 
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I'm going to wait and edit this in once we know what the top 7 is, I guess....
Well wait no longer!

THESE CHARACTERS ARE LOCKED DOWN, NOMINATIONS FOR THEM ARE OBSOLETE

Day 444: Concept: Nippon Ichi rep
Day 445: Baldi (Baldi's Basics)
Day 446: Junko & Monokuma (Danganronpa)
Day 447: Concept: No third parties in this Pass
Day 448: Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
Day 449: Terra Branford (Final Fantasy)
Day 450: Brian (Quest 64)


Quite a lot happened in the top seven, lots of gambits piling on each other. Brian got past Concept: Fighter from repped third party franchise and Guardian, and normally that would have been it. But then a sudden surge in nominations got Concept: No third parties in this Pass all the way to third place! Watch out for NintenRob NintenRob - when he wants to get a concept through the door, he will. But then another twist took place, courtesy of yours truly. By using all of my extra noms, and with invaluable help from amageish amageish , Kasumi and Terra Branford rocketed to fifth place. Unfortunately, Guardian, Fighter from repped third party franchise, and Gordon Freeman lose their would-be spots.

The new top seven consists of Guardian, Fighter from repped third party franchise, Gordon Freeman, Papyrus, Pokéball Pokémon becomes playable, Ahri, and Meowth.


Guardian (Destiny) x105
Concept: Fighter from repped third party franchise x101
Gordon Freeman x100
Papyrus x100
Concept: Pokéball Pokémon becomes playable x95
Ahri (League of Legends) x95
Meowth x93

100 - 51

Concept: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as Assist Trophies x85
Decidueye x82
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Frank West x80
Proto Man x75
Sackboy x75
[Rerate] Steve x65
Dr. Eggman x56

50 - 25

Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x50
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is mostly first-party x50
Louie x50
Echo: Zeraora (41e) x45
[Rerate] Kratos x45
Boss: Ender Dragon x45
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) x42
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x40
Echo: Lord Fredrik (67e) x35
Zelda (BotW sequel) x35
Echo: Dark Bowser (14e) x32
[Rerate] Saki Amamiya x30
Urbosa x29
Giygas x28
Concept: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content x28
Concept: Assist Trophies added in updates x27
Red (Angry Birds) x25

Under 25

Concept: Second F-Zero rep x23
Rival Pokémon Trainer x22
Stage: Bowser's Castle x22
Concept: Returning stages x21
Mii Costume: Jill Stingray x20
The Stretchers x20
Fulgore x20
Zeraora x15
Black Shadow x15
[Rerate] Captain Toad x14
Gooigi x13
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x10
[Rerate] Agumon x10
Concept: Dark Souls rep x10
[Rerate] Monokuma x10
Gran/Djeeta x10
Lora and Jin x10
Otto Matic x10
The Avatar (Ultima) x10
Concept: No Spirit promotions x10
[Rerate] Nightmare x10
[Rerate] Rex x10
Chell x8
[Rerate] Professor Layton x8
Magolor x7
Taranza x6
Concept: Darkstalkers rep x6
Sparky (Clash Royale) x5
Concept: Overwatch character x5
Asha (Wonder Boy) x5
Mii Costume: Hat Kid x5
Concept: Portal 2 rep x5
Breath of the Wild 2 Ganondorf x5
Tick (Brawl Stars) x5
King Graham x5
Concept: Fortnite character x5
[Rerate] Andy x5
Cooking Mama x5
[Rerate] Toxtricity x5
Jill (Drill Dozer) x5
[Rerate] Takamaru x5
Diablo (Diablo) x5
Asuka (Senran Kagura) x5
Furret x5
[Rerate] Frisk x5
D.Va x5
Jin Sakai x5
Deku Scrub x5
The Terrarian x5
[Rerate] Paper Mario x5
Concept: Generic Zora x3
Three Mage Sisters x2
Concept: A Pokémon Trainer who fights x2
Concept: A fighter who uses all kicks x2
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x2
Concept: Generic Goron x2

Red slingshots past 25 noms.

Your new challengers today are D.Va, Jin Sakai, Deku Scrub, The Terrarian, and Paper Mario, all with 5 noms.

Fighter packs with everything included at once seems to be all we're getting: stage + music + fighter + mii costumes + spirits.
Mii Costumes are sold separately, aside from Rex and the Ancient Soldier.

Btw Perkilator Perkilator wicked tracklist my man.

Verde Coeden Scalesworth Verde Coeden Scalesworth you should probably change today's nominations.
 

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GoodGrief741 GoodGrief741 Fixed. Thank you.

Man, I can't wait for that day. People will be pretty surprised by what I have to say outside of "Want".

...What was Brian's total noms anyway?
 
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DLC Music Packs

Abstain on chance. I keep going back and forth on this, so I don't feel comfortable pinning a number on it.

Want: 100%
The music is one of my favorite parts of Smash, so more would be awesome. Although unlike Perkilator Perkilator I don't have much freetime, so I'll just link you all to the Music For Smash Twitter account. Trust me, you'll want Phantom R from Rhythm Thief and the Emperor's Treasure in Smash after hearing his music.


Nominations: Concept: Fighter from repped third party franchise x4, Urbosa x1
 

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Moar Sonic music pls

Chance: 1%
For whatever reason I don't think Nintendo & Sakurai feel like music is something people are interested in buying. Which imo is ********, people bought the Sans costume for Megalovania. But yeah, premium Mii Costumes and the obvious Character Packs seem to be how they're adding music, and I don't think it's gonna change. Especially given the current situation, if it was ever in the cards it might have been canceled.

Want: 100%
I'd pay for pretty much any new music. I love Smash music, to me it's one of the most important additions that any series can bring. There's tons of stuff missing from Smash, that I'd like to see - off the top of my head:

More Mario Land remixes, the ones we got are excellent.
More Mario RPG music (though maybe this could come with Geno or Paper Mario?)
DKC2, 3 and Tropical Freeze songs (w/ Dixie pls)
More Zelda medleys
Modern Kirby tracks (w/ Dee pls)
More F-Zero and Earthbound music, any will do (Porky Means Business needs to be in Smash)
Anything from Kid Icarus Uprising, that game's OST is a treasure
Wario music. Any Wario music. WarioWare. Wario Land. Master of Disguise. Anything. It's all great.
Metal Gear Solid V and Peace Walker songs (Love Deterrence, Sins of the Father, and Quiet's Theme are a must, along with a vocal Snake Eater and the weirdly missing Old Snake)
Sonic music. All of it.
Xenoblade tracks for them X fans because that game has sweet music and XC2 songs if Rex & Pyra ain't getting in.
Punch-Out Wii themes for that cultural variety.
Songs from Mega Man spinoffs (especially X and Legends)
Shin Megami Tensei music, Persona 1, 2 and other 2 music and the egregious omissions from 5 (and Catherine music if we're being greedy)
Splatoon 2 and Octo Expansion music

And of course, this is the best way to get a decent amount of FF7 (Bombing Mission, One Winged Angel) and FF in general (Overture, Aria di Mezzo Carratere, Man with the Machine Gun, Terra's Theme, Battle at the Big Bridge, etc) music, for a price that makes sense with the licensing required.

That's without naming the series that don't have characters that would bring amazing music, which might be wasted opportunities but to me are much better than a lame 4-Spirit event.

Noms: 3DSNinja 3DSNinja as promised, Gordon Freeman x5
Twintelle prediction: I don't know how the community feels about her, I'm going to say low and go with 7.89%
Kid Cobra prediction: 5.34%
Byte and Barq prediction: 2.01%

...What was Brian's total noms anyway?
I think it was 106
 

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Mii Costumes are sold separately, aside from Rex and the Ancient Soldier.
You're right of course, I simply failed to express myself. What I meant was that they still come at the same time as fighter packs. Not as a bundle but still together, kind of.
 

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We likely wouldn't get more FF7 tracks anyhow
Chance: 0.01%
Forget Smash, I actively can't recall any game having done this and I don't expect Nintendo to follow suit those who did. With this pandemic some corners will probably be cut or atleast the dev team won't be able to go further beyond by adding something extra like this. It seems pretty clear that challenger packs and Mii costumes are the way we'll get more music.


Want: 10%
It largely depends on the pieces of music and the asking price. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with them putting a price tag on music anyway. Sans and Cuphead aren't more expensive than other Mii costumes and Terry Bogard also doesn't cost more than the other DLC fighters for having 50 tracks. Besides if I wouldn't feel like paying, the music would probably be available on YouTube where I'd get the jest of it in case it's a remix.

Twintelle: 33.65%
Kid Contra: 8.22%
Byte and Barq: 3.96%
Dr Eggman x4
Papyrus x1
 

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No third parties in this Pass all the way to third place! Watch out for NintenRob NintenRob NintenRob NintenRob - when he wants to get a concept through the door, he will
You better believe it!! (but seriously thanks for the help others, although it wasn't my nomination originally)


Now a new nomination
Content from currently unreleased game (not spirit events) (17th May 2020) x5

Now for scores

Music pack
Chance 1%
Music has thus far always been packaged with something else. Mii Costume, stage or character. It's never been released on its own.
Want 70%
Cheap or free, I'd love this. I wish they released music alongside spirit events, songs from new games that otherwise would have missed the chance. Also songs from older games that missed the chance.

And a remix from a modern Kirby PLEASE, and something from Majora's Mask. Why are we stuck we basic Zelda main theme for one of the best soundtracks in the series.
 

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dlc music packs

chances: im gonna go with 0% i just dont seem them doing it. im not sure why not maybe its cause music's always been in a bit of an odd position to me with some great tracks completely absent and over remixing of other tracks (im looking at you jungle level and mute city) so my concern would be we just get more the same tracks as before

want: well really this concept to broad to really pin down, if its paid dlc on its own then 0%. if it was free itd be 100% but again it would depend on what it was. there's plenty of tracks i wouldnt bother to down load even if they were free and plenty i certainly would if they were. theres so many great tracks to smash to and so many rubbish ones as well. just out me down for 0% over all

nominations: solo wolf link x5
 

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DLC Music Packs

Chance: 1%
Music has always been released either with a character or with a Mii Costume. I really don't see any reason why it'd be released separately since they would've released it alongside the corresponding character to begin with.

Want: 80%
It depends on the music itself but overall I'd be ok with this. More songs is always good plus there are still some tracks that I'd like to see.

Chance predictions:

Twintelle: 35.00%
Bite & Barq: 3:00%
Kid Cobra: 5.00%

Nominations:
Zelda (BotW sequel) x5
 

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Standalone Music

Chance: oof
Yeah, not happening. As Sari has stated, Music has NEVER been released without a Mii Costume, character or stage, and I don't see that fact changing.


Want: Variable.
Really depends on the song. Some songs were missed from certain challenger packs (I'm looking right at you, Life Will Change), so it could be a way to remedy that, but overall it's REALLY based on what songs.


Noms: Terrarian x5
 

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DLC Music tracks

Chance: Depends on Scenarios. DLC Fighters will get soundtracks, so that is a given. Also, since a few Mii Costumes can get soundtracks, that evens it out a bit as well. Overall, I say 5%. It would not hurt to get a few more soundtracks into the game.

Want: 100%. There are a lot of tracks that could be in this game. It includes more soundtracks from Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Pokémon Generation 2 (and Heart Gold/Soul Silver), Pokémon Generation 8, Kirby Star Allies, Mario Kart 8 and Sonic, among others. Overall, lots of potential.

Prediction: Twintelle (20%), Bite and Barq and Kid Cobra (10%)

Noms: 3 for Concept: Pokeball Pokémon Promotion and 2 for Echo: Dark Bowser (14E)
 

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The fact that none of you have brought up the fact that the lack of Wario Deluxe in smash should be punished by the Geneva Convention makes me sad.

DLC Music

5% Chance

I mean, all evidence suggests it is unlikely. If Nintendo wanted to do so, they would have by now. I guess my score is higher due to the fact this would be the easiest way to make more money with the crappy situation right now. Getting new songs in the game would not be as hard as making any original content. I could see Nintendo push a few music packs to make some extra money potentially since Smash DLC will likely take a bit longer than usual. Imagine a pack of like 25 songs from different Nintendo franchises for a bit of money. Makes enough sense, but we got ARMS as dlc so...

100% Want

I like Smash's music, what can I say. Here are a few songs I would be ecstatic if they were in. Note I am ignoring third parties for this post, obviously i could make this longer with more FF, Sonic, Persona, or Metal Gear music.

Mario
The Ultimate Show
Nemesis King Bowser
Buoy Base
Battlerock Galaxy
King of the Koopas
Chrystal King
Rawk Hawk

Donkey Kong
Punch Bowl
Big Top Bop
Sawmill Thrill
Frantic Fields
Hot Head Bop
Mining Melancholy

Zelda
Ganon
Stone Tower Temple
Inside Pirate Ship
Demon Train
Groose's Theme yes i think this would be hilarious in smash
Hyrule Castle
Koloktros

Metroid
Emperor Ing
Rundas
Dark Samus Theme
Phendrana Drifts Depths
Torvus Bog

Kirby
02 (original)
Galacta Knight
Void Soul
Morpho Knight

Pokemon
Primal Dialga
Neo Team Plasma theme
Chairman Rose
Battle Tower
Miror B Theme (XD)
Colosseum Semi Finals
Pyrite Town
Vs Lugia
Vs Ho Oh
Vs Giratina
Lusamine Mother Beast
Ultra Necrozma
Vast Poni Canyon
Vs Deoxys
Ya Boi, Guzma
Champion Red
World Champion Theme

Earthbound
Porky Means Business
Fassad and Interpreter
Natural Killer Cyborg

Fire Emblem
God Shattering Star
Mastermind
Burning Ambition
Dawn Brigade

Pikmin
Perplexing Pool
Wistful Wild
Titan Dweevil

Punch Out!
Mr Sandman
Bear Hugger
Don Flamenco
Aran Ryan
Soda Popinski

Xenoblade
Driver VS
You Will Recall Our Names
After Despair and Hope
Awakened DNA
Battle in the Skies Above
Exploration
Counterattack
Uncontrollable
No. EX01
Minor Boss


And this is without going into other franchises, third parties, and focusing on what I am most familiar with. But I think this more than makes my point. Making the Xenoblade selections was the hardest. It is like I was thinking about them the most for some reason...

Rex Rerate x 5
 

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I give the chance that their music selection would still disappoint me a 100%

Chance: 0%
Let's just look at precedent. Has this happened before? Not really. Do we have any reason to believe that it will start happening now, after the first Fighter Pass went by without any real standalone music packs as DLC? Also no. So what does this lead us to? A 0% chance, there we go.

Want: 50%
Ehh, I guess it could be nice? It all depends on the kind of music choice they'd go for, really. But considering how certain tracks and games were already glossed over in the music selection process, I don't really have much faith in Sakurai and his team picking the tracks that I'd actually really want in the game.

Nominating Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is primarily First-Party x5
(With a similar concept already in the lineup now this is admittedly rather redundant, but whatever, I don't feel like picking something new to push)

Predictions:
Twintelle: 27.86%
Kid Cobra: 3.12%
Byte and Barq: 1.32%
 

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DLC music
Chance: 1%
Want: 90%

I think if DLC music was a thing I wouldn't have been as disappointed with the deconfirmations of Astrsl Chain and Resident Evil as long as we got a few tunes to go with their spirits. I would be down with getting a track or two from certain series even if it was stand alone. I dont really want a sword/shield pokemon but ig they put a music pack I'd be for it. But theres no reason to believe that's gonna happen. Its unfortunately the same thing like with Individual stages.
 

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Music Packs

Chance - 0% - Typically they would attach a song to something more tangible to the game, like a Mii costume. This is typically so low-effort that I don't think Nintendo will do it.

Want - 50% - Some people want it, but I don't. I don't care enough to shell out money for music that might occasionally appear. I know some people will, though, so I'm neutral for their sake.


Nominations

Lip (Panel de Pon) X5
 

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Awesome Mix (Vol. 2)

Chance - 0%. If it was gonna happen, it would've happened. Same argument people have already said.

Want - 100%. More options are good. Again, exact same aument as everyone else

Noms: Dexidueye x5
 

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Day over.

It's now time for Day 3 of our weekly ARMS ratings.

Day 1:
  • Spring Man
  • Ribbon Girl
  • Ninjara
(Link to this already completed day)

Day 2:
  • Min Min
  • Master Mummy
  • Mechanica
(Link to this already completed day)

Day 3:
  • Twintelle
  • Byte & Barq
  • Kid Cobra

Day 4:
  • Helix
  • Max Brass
  • Misango
  • Concept: ARMS rep has different characters as alts
Day 5:
  • Dr. Coyle
  • Lola Pop
  • Springton
  • Concept: Brand New ARMS Character (not one of the 15 playable)

Day 3


So for today rate Twintelle, Byte & Barq, and Kid Cobra.

Predict Concept: Nippon Ichi rep.

Next ARMS rating will occur after the current fixed schedule (after we rate Brian).

Megadoomer Megadoomer

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Some songs relating to today's ARMS characters:

 

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alright, arms direct reveals time

funny haha ass lady:
chance: 30%
frankly i don't think she's the one. HOWEVER, there's this gut feeling i have that she has a shot. not that she's the one, just that she could be the one. and that thought scares me.
want: 0%
oh christ almighty no. one of the very very very few smash candidates i'd actively dislike. i could go into a whole spiel about why i'd hate it if she were the one. i'll at least take her if she's an additional rep in a future smash game, but right now? hell naw!

robo-paul blart
chance: 5%
i don't see it. not much else to say here
want: 20%
i guess he'd be neat

MY BOY
chance: 5%
he's defo one of the least important characters in arms, both from a story and marketing standpoint. that said...
want: 90%
hell yes i'd LOVE him! back when i first saw the arms direct, i saw him and right off the bat i was like "this dude. i like him." i mean, he's a snakeman with a 90's "totally rad" aesthetic and he has an attack where he breakdances you into the air and then slams you to the ground. i love this dude, yet he's actually my number 2 preferred arms rep. well, who's number 1? we should see in a few days
 

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La belle dame armée à deux cheveux
Chance: 50%

Eh, she’s certainly popular. But I think they might wanna save her for another game.

Want: 0%
Don‘t get me wrong, slowing down attacks midair IS pretty cool. But I feel like if she gets in before Spring Man, people who never heard of ARMS until her reveal might think it’s a game about arms made of hair. In other words, she’s not exactly the best representation of ARMS.


You have the right to remain K.O.’d
Chance: 0%

Oh, how I wish Byte and Barq were at least up to the levels of Twintelle in terms of popularity. Granted, they likely WILL get a Spirit anyways in the ARMS Spirit Board.

Want: 0%
Same reason as Twintelle: not the best representation of ARMS. Fun to play, but instead of thinking ARMS is about hair, people might think ARMS is about robots.


Tony Hawk Pro Ssssskater
Chance: 0%

Again, like Byte and Barq, not popular enough to even get a base game Spirit. Of course, that’s not to say he’ll not even get a Spirit in the DLC.

Want: 1%
He is a little closer to what ARMS is about. But unfortunately, my 1% goes to the first part of his throw (where he jumps up and drill kicks the opponent) being transferred onto Min Min.

Nippon Ichi: 0%

Noms: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as Assist Trophies x5
 

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More Persona music - like the stuff from Royal, as well as some of the omissions and a few tracks from older games - would be dope. I Believe and Throw Your Mask Away are bangers, and let's nor forget omissions like Life Will Change and Whims of Fate, which would be amazing additions. I'd also love to hear some Jet Set Radio Future music, but having Tokyo-To as a stage would be glorious (although unrelated.) More Final Fantasy music, too - stuff like J.E.N.O.V.A and One Winged Angel... Also, more Xenoblade tracks, and a few more remixes in general would be nice. Okay, hot take - 3rd party developers should get music like Terry's - not just Fatal Fury/KoF music, but stuff from a variety of IPs. Looking at Sega and Square here, and maybe even Capcom.
 

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The 3 characters revealed in the 5.17.17 ARMS direct

Hair Diva

Chance 40%
At first glance, Twintelle would seem like a given. She's absolutely up there in terms of popularity. She was such a breakout hit that they went out of their way to make her playable in the ARMS demo, an honor that even Min Min doesn't have. However, I feel like there's a major thing holding her back, her hair. Her hair ARMS may be a bit too wacky to make her a good representative of the series as a whole, and if they go the alt route, her unique build with said hair ARMS would also be a no-go. I'd personally say she is a bit of a dark horse pick for the time being. Don't think she's happening, yet at the same time wouldn't be too shocked if they do indeed pick her

Want: 3%
Out of all the ARMS cast, Twintelle's probably my least favorite and my least wanted for the ARMS rep. Her design and playstyle do nothing for me, and her fanbase is a little uh... wild for my tastes lol. With all that said though, I will give her a couple extra points for being a character of color, which is something we're surprisingly lacking in Smash as of current.

Robocop

Chance 2%
Out of all the ARMS characters with the exception of maybe Springtron, Byte & Barq are probably the least likely. They have pretty nothing going for them. They're probably the absolute least popular characters of the ARMS cast, and their whole duo gimmick may be a bit overboard and may not represent the core of ARMS that well. They don't have a spirit at least, though assuming Spirits could be back on the table again, no sure that's saying much.

Want: 60%
I like these two more than most. They're wicked fun to use and I like their personality and design quite a bit. I'd be cool with em in Smash, It's just that they're still far from my first pick

Snake Man

Chance: 7%
Honestly, this was a pretty hard one to actually rate. He ain't that notable of a character all things considered, though he is the only character in the cast to have had the ARMS ability since birth, so he does have some slight lore notoriety. He may not be among the most popular ARMS characters, but also has a bit of a cult following of sorts. Unfortunately, I don't think any of this is enough for him to be prioritized over some of the other characters.

Want: 65%
Kid Cobra's cool. Love his design, his playstyle's fun, and I will say his stage with the "beyblades" and the like would make for a pretty unique Smash stage. Like Byte & Barq though, there's still a fair amount of ARMS characters I'd prefer over Snakey Boi

Predictions: Nippon Ichi: 0.25%

Noms: Steve (Rerate) x5
 
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Unfortunately I have to abstain as I'm busy today. But as for quick thoughts, I think Twintelle is very likely with how popular she is, especially if my 4 alts theory is true. And as Papagenos mentioned in his ARMS video, she has a set of free hands which she can use for things like picking up items which makes it easier for the Smash team if they do something truly unique for the ARMS themselves. As for Bite/Barq and Kid Cobra, they are unlikely as they are one of the lesser important and popular characters. I think others will probably be prioritized over them.

Prediction: Nippon Ichi rep - 1% (are we counting NIS America since its a branch of the company?)

Noms: Frank West x5
 

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I kinda have to double abstain. I'm just literally clueless as to thoughts on ARMS, so this is gonna be a running trend for anything ARMS related.

Noms: Terrarian x5
 

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Kimishima:

Chance: 35%
She's another huge fan and developer favorite like Min Min but unlike her and other characters I don't know if she would represented Arms as well. As we all know her 'Arms' are part of her hair instead her actual arms. Being an alt is thus out of the picture because she can't share the same skeleton with other characters. With solo Twintelle there's more of an argument to be made but I'd still think she's outclassed by other characters in appeal and moveset potential. Not sure if combining Peach float and Witch time would be a good idea, just saying. If only she'd put her other arms to use.

Want: 30%
I'm all for spirit upgrades but Twintelle just doesn't appeal to me much. She's even the only Spirited character I didn't try out when I was playing Arms. I just believe there are other characters who'd to represent the game better than she can.


Heavy and Bomb
Chance: 1%
These two might be a bit too gimmicky and unpopular to be seriously considered. Also, Byte being the most stiff standing character in the game means he would't translate well in Smash as an alt or even a solo character.

Want: 0%
I think they'd just look awkward in Smash honestly. I'd prefer someone more flexible. Also, they have no Spirit, meaning I'm kinda against them.

You look like a snake!
Chance: 5%
Kid Cobra is in this weird spot where he isn't one of the mascot characters, isn't important lore wise, isn't the most unique looking or playing and he doesn't have any insane popularity other characters seem to have. He doesn't seem to be one of the least popular since I'm pretty sure I saw some official artwork depicting him placing 2nd in the party crash bash amongst the male characters. Still, Kid Cobra just seems like he's just kinda there and would be a pretty random choice as a solo character. I guess in the case they go full on Bowser jr and have 8 characters be alts of eachother but that sounds improbable.

Want: 45%
I'm torn. Kid Cobra is possibly my favorite Arms character. He's the slickest looking guy in the game and the same goes for his movements. His stage would also be the most interesting out of all Arms stages. I'd consider him my main for the short time I had Arms. I'd be 100% behind him... if he had a Spirit, which he doesn't. My desire to see those upgraded just takes priority here.

Nippon Ichi: 1.31%
Papyrus x5
 

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Twintelle
Chance: 80%
The outcome I can most easily see happening. I personally believe Nintendo chose the ARMS character based on who would appeal to their overall audience the most. I think Twintelle has specific characteristics that appeal to the kinds of people who make up most of the Switch’s playerbase. The only things I can acknowledge would have gotten in her way would be Min-Min being more popular and Spring Man being chosen because he’s the mascot. But I’m still more convinced that they deliberately chose a rep who could simultaneously be popular within ARMS and catch the attention of people who never played it,
Want: 20%
I understand the massive positive reception to her, I’m just not part of the crowd. I think there’s many other current characters in ARMS that embody it’s gameplay mechanics better than her, namely... the fact that they use their arms. She’d be okay, I wouldn’t care much.
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Byte & Barq
Chance: 1%
I doubt the ARMS rep will be the puppet fighter. I think Nintendo would much more likely go for one of the fighters with less extra mechanics. They just don’t have much going for them.
Want: 50%
I’m both fond of duo fighters in Smash and content with what we have now. I don’t think they’d introduce any groundbreaking mechanics, but at the same time I can admit the two would likely be different enough from the others that it wouldn’t feel entirely redundant. Their mechanic doesn’t focus on ARMS’s simple core concept but that’s really the only thing I’d have against them.
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Kid Cobra
Chance: 1%
Not one of the most popular characters, nor is he the face of the franchise. I don’t think there’s much in his favor, like many of the others. Might have gotten in on the slim chance they just thought he looked cool, but that’s all I can say for him.
Want: 20%
Alongside Twintelle as one of the characters I’m not crazy about. His design is supposed to be cool… which would be helped by not being in a game about swinging your wacky obnoxiously-long arms across the screen.

Nomination: Kratos Rerate ×5
 

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La belle dame armée à deux cheveux
2 hairs? That's not a lot. Unless they're extra-thicc hairs. "armée de deux couettes" would be better, though it sounds kinda ridiculous - which may be the whole point in the first place.

On to my review. Once again, quick reminder my chance AND want scores all tally up to 100, so don't be shocked by those low numbers.
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Twintelle

Chance: 22%
Honestly, I'd say she's the number 2 best candidate, right behind Min Min. If not for the whole "mystery character" Nintendo is going with, Spring Man would have been number 1 instead. But back to Twintelle! In terms of popularity, only Min Min is on par with her (and likely beats her too). She's also one of the most recognisable faces despite her ARMS not being her, well, arms.

But while popularity is definitely a big factor if Nintendo doesn't go Spring Man, it still isn't the be all end all. Thankfully, her gimmick would translate rather well in Smash. A "Slowfall" mechanic would definitely be unique and open up the way to different playstyles, and I'd be pretty excited to try that out. As for her "witch time", I just want it not to be a copy/paste of Bayo's or a counter.

Want: 40%
A thicc, fine looking French actress with chocolate-coloured skin in Smash, what's not to like? Appearance aside, her gimmicks could be made into something fun and very unique. I've already touched upon the slowfall, but the "witch time" could be a resource gauge she charges up by successfully dodging attacks that would have hit her. Some high risk, high reward gameplay as relying on her rolls/spotdodges too much would leave you open to easy hard punishes. And that, to me, is quite core to ARMS gameplay (in the sense that mindgame is what makes or breaks a player, perhaps even more than in other fighting games).

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Bite & Barq

Chance: 1%
Like with Master Mummy etc, giving a "pity" 1% because who knows? We're guaranteed to get an ARMS character and it could be any of them, there's no hard evidence to the contrary so I can't just say "won't happen" out of my ass.

Want: 3%
Duo fighters like the Ice Climbers or Rosalina & Luma have already proven that there are several ways to tackle the concept, and for that reason alone I wouldn't be against Byte & Barq making it in. That's... pretty much it, really.

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Kid Cobra

Chance: 1%
Ditto. But I need at least 2 sentences. So here are 4 of them. That ditto alone already references the thought process behind the chance score.

Want: 0%
Eh. Not exactly my type. I don't dislike him but there's simply so much better, both for me and for the broader audience.

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Predictions: Nippon Ichi rep (dood) - 7%

Nominations: D.Va x5
 
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