Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
Yes, your reasons for why the winner shouldn't do it and why it can be stupid to do it in tourney are fine.
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Quitting out of games with pause reset.
- Thread starter JBM falcon08
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CloneHat
Smash Champion
Pause SHOULD be turned off, but until it is, we may as well pause quit.
hungrybox
Smash Legend
Me and Colbol pretty much started this pattern a year and a half ago.
Our matches were so close and intense, going to the last stock high percent fifth game every set, and we always quit out whenever we knew it was over. It saved a few seconds, sure, but in the vitality of the mindset advocating to pressure those inept milliseconds each have a vacillating impact on the progression of our play.
Simply put, it's faster, and we do it only when Loss is guarranteed (save the one incident in which Colbol reset the game at Flordia Gaming: MAYhem and was actually still alive because I accidently hit him out of a phantasm SD that would've killed him.)
Our matches were so close and intense, going to the last stock high percent fifth game every set, and we always quit out whenever we knew it was over. It saved a few seconds, sure, but in the vitality of the mindset advocating to pressure those inept milliseconds each have a vacillating impact on the progression of our play.
Simply put, it's faster, and we do it only when Loss is guarranteed (save the one incident in which Colbol reset the game at Flordia Gaming: MAYhem and was actually still alive because I accidently hit him out of a phantasm SD that would've killed him.)
UltimateHaxor123
Smash Apprentice
I would just treat the person quitting the match as forfeiting, that's how I've always viewed it...
(i didn't even know some people did it when they're about to win, that's just disrespectful and they should be forced to forfeit)
(i didn't even know some people did it when they're about to win, that's just disrespectful and they should be forced to forfeit)
Little England
Smash Master
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
S l o X
Smash Champion
Pause should be turned off in everything except friendlies.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
having pause turned off is actually really annoying in a lot of cases, and also entirely unnecessarily for singles.
For doubles I can see the argument in favor of turning it off though.
For doubles I can see the argument in favor of turning it off though.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
seriously, as much as I'd like to say keep pause OFF, there will be many times where there is some sort of interference in a match, and you have to think, well, what do we do now?
I'd say it's better to pause a match than restart it, unless the 2 players happen to be at same stock 0% damage or something. Keep in mind there is a timer.
I'd say it's better to pause a match than restart it, unless the 2 players happen to be at same stock 0% damage or something. Keep in mind there is a timer.
Velox
Smash Ace
I don't approve of it. Why give room for error in a process that is fine the way it is.
otg
Smash Master
I agree with this, tho for me it's def become a habit that I do all the time now lol
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
its fine to do it when u cant win. falling to your death, dying off the top.
IT SHOULDNT MATTER who actually does the quitting, but it definitely does irk me when some1 does it for me.
IT SHOULDNT MATTER who actually does the quitting, but it definitely does irk me when some1 does it for me.
Sizzle
I paint controllers
Doing it for your opponent is disrespectful. I agree with the gg in SC analogy. You are the one admitting you have lost, but you would never say gg for your opponent.
CableCho57
Smash Lord
to simply end this, whoever pause resets, loses.
even if its obvious you won, if you reset, you lose
even if its obvious you won, if you reset, you lose
Kanelol
Smash Lord
Whenever I play with my one friend I almost always quit out when he's on his last stock and I just f-smashed him at like 9000000% percent
he nerd rages and gets all up in my **** like "**** YOU I WAS GONNA DI THAT YOU ****ING **** **** **** ****"
but i wouldn't do it to someone i didn't know, unless i was the one dying
even then, idk
he nerd rages and gets all up in my **** like "**** YOU I WAS GONNA DI THAT YOU ****ING **** **** **** ****"
but i wouldn't do it to someone i didn't know, unless i was the one dying
even then, idk
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
Some people need to pull the stick out of their ***.
It's seriously not a big deal, not everything in the community has to be robotic. Just don't be ******** about when you reset, and don't get butthurt when someone resets on you if it's obvious who won and there was no chance of a comeback.
It's seriously not a big deal, not everything in the community has to be robotic. Just don't be ******** about when you reset, and don't get butthurt when someone resets on you if it's obvious who won and there was no chance of a comeback.
DWiens421
Smash Cadet
Maybe this is me being a n00b again, but... I don't see the need for the pause button being enabled... after watching that who JMan vs. Darkrain thing (I know Dark ceded his spot anyway), it just kind of seems like something that can be used to break rhythm if you are getting wrecked.
Stevo
Smash Champion
If you pause reset, you lose.
simple as that. If you are about to win, don't do it. If you are about to lose, do it if you want.
simple as that. If you are about to win, don't do it. If you are about to lose, do it if you want.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Sounds like a good policy to me.
DippnDots
Feral Youth
It pisses me off, but meh. I've never had someone do it because I was about to lose, I would get a TO if I thought I had a chance at living, and just tell them off if I knew I was going to die. The whole saving time argument is invalid though. Unless every single pool and every single bracket match does it, time is not saved, because the sequence of matches relies on others being played. You can't start the bracket or second round of pools until EVERY first round pool is done. You can't play later matches in a bracket until the two before it are done.
In friendlies, cry more about it.
In friendlies, cry more about it.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Dots has spoken. I approve.
JBM falcon08
Smash Master
Just so people know im just asking opinions, not trying to get a movement going for sportsmanship.
Btw if i can save my time im pretty sure i'll reset everygame. my time is precious.
Btw if i can save my time im pretty sure i'll reset everygame. my time is precious.
hungrybox
Smash Legend
lmaoooooooooooooo
DippnDots
Feral Youth
Hey guys, I got really bored and did some math, using generous figures.
8 people in a pool and 10 seconds saved each round from doing it, also assuming all sets went to three. You'd save 14 minutes from that situation(8 people in a pool means 28 sets for that pool, if all went to three that's 84 matches, 10 seconds each, 840 seconds).
But another thought came up. Really, you only need the pool that's last to finish to save time, every other pool saving time is irrelevant. But we have no way of knowing which pool will finish last, so everyone would need to do it.
I feels that it's also safe to assume if everyone started quitting out of matches prematurely, it would lead to more disputes between players "I wasnt going to die" which would end up with a lot of bickering and the possibility of a match being replayed. Very easily negating at least a portion of the time saved.
In the bracket it becomes much more simple. After the first tier, each match is based on two before it. If one of those games goes longer than the other, the person has to wait. If they end at the same time, COOL! The point is, the time saved doesn't accumulate from both of those, it's a standard 30 seconds. So, each tier of tournament sets would save 30 seconds, until you get to sets of 5, where it would be 50.
Let's assume, a 64 man bracket.
Since I'm not a TO and don't know exactly how the bracket is run, i'm going to separate losers and winners into different tiers, that gives you more time you save.
in winners, 5 tiers until finals, so 30x5, 150 seconds
in losers, 7 tiers until finals (please correct me if i'm wrong that chart is hard to read), so 30x7, 210 seconds
winners finals / losers finals / grand finals, at most another 150 seconds.
510 seconds, 8 minutes 30 seconds
In this example, you'd save 22 minutes 30 seconds. Not bad actually. Very hypothetical and with high end ballpark variables.
I know no one was arguing over it, I kinda just got really curious to see what might actually happen.
8 people in a pool and 10 seconds saved each round from doing it, also assuming all sets went to three. You'd save 14 minutes from that situation(8 people in a pool means 28 sets for that pool, if all went to three that's 84 matches, 10 seconds each, 840 seconds).
But another thought came up. Really, you only need the pool that's last to finish to save time, every other pool saving time is irrelevant. But we have no way of knowing which pool will finish last, so everyone would need to do it.
I feels that it's also safe to assume if everyone started quitting out of matches prematurely, it would lead to more disputes between players "I wasnt going to die" which would end up with a lot of bickering and the possibility of a match being replayed. Very easily negating at least a portion of the time saved.
In the bracket it becomes much more simple. After the first tier, each match is based on two before it. If one of those games goes longer than the other, the person has to wait. If they end at the same time, COOL! The point is, the time saved doesn't accumulate from both of those, it's a standard 30 seconds. So, each tier of tournament sets would save 30 seconds, until you get to sets of 5, where it would be 50.
Let's assume, a 64 man bracket.
Since I'm not a TO and don't know exactly how the bracket is run, i'm going to separate losers and winners into different tiers, that gives you more time you save.
in winners, 5 tiers until finals, so 30x5, 150 seconds
in losers, 7 tiers until finals (please correct me if i'm wrong that chart is hard to read), so 30x7, 210 seconds
winners finals / losers finals / grand finals, at most another 150 seconds.
510 seconds, 8 minutes 30 seconds
In this example, you'd save 22 minutes 30 seconds. Not bad actually. Very hypothetical and with high end ballpark variables.
I know no one was arguing over it, I kinda just got really curious to see what might actually happen.
Kanelol
Smash Lord
oh so thats what a good post looks like
DippnDots
Feral Youth
I messed up my math, but luckily it's early enough I fixed it before anyone said anything :X
Beat!
Smash Master
Why would you reset the game when you're winning? It's arrogant and dumb, and the losing player could view it as a forfeit.
And why would you complain if the loser resets? You've won the game!
Not that this hasn't already been said a dozen times.
And why would you complain if the loser resets? You've won the game!
Not that this hasn't already been said a dozen times.
Eggm
Smash Hero
/thread this is what I said in all the other threads about this too.
Euclid
Smash Journeyman
Pryi much this. Saving 0.23 seconds isn't going to do much.
Nicknyte
Smash Lord
True Story: Vectorman resets when winning cause of moves he didn't mean to kill me with. It's odd. I don't really take offense at it, but If I lose, I lose. I guess seeing his character celebrate pisses him off.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
I don't reset the match, but I feel the same way, if I hit a move by accident and it lands and gets me the ko, I don't feel like I've earned the ko really. I mean i'll take it (lol), but it's better to feel as if you earned a ko than to know you got lucky.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
^ Ace can read my brain.. ^ I don usually EVER... do it.. unless it's because I get a win.. i don't feel I deserved
CableCho57
Smash Lord
MasterShake
Smash Lord
I KNEW it was that match before I clicked it. I love the commentary on it too lol.
except. . .you still lost/losing was imminent.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
Not even lying, that reset blows my mind every time I watch it.
Seriously... highlight of the whole set.