Queensland Power Rankings v.2

[Vyse]

If u don't need opinions then why do u have panelists? If it's a technicality then u don't need any discussion but should rather just post tourney results.

Which we did do at one point ;9
The thread's floating around somewhere lol. I had a mathematical formula for it.

The panel exists for those situations where we have to go "Well X and Y are close enough to each other in results/skill that it could go either way, lets review their history of wins and losses".

We really need to develop a criteria that says something like "If this player doesn't compete in a tournament for 3 or 4 months, they are removed from the ranking" or something.

 

[Bsrk_]

Well the PR should work with tournament placings in relation to relative skill level of the player_ If a player is consistently placing say 1st or 2nd then they are of course an easy selection for 1st and 2nd place in the PR_ If a player fluctuates slightly with their rankings in tournaments, get into the top 8 and have shown signs of improvement, then you take all three factors into consideration_

You also need to realise that players ranked higher should have easier times against players ranked lower then them etc_ If a player is ranked 1st but loses to someone ranked 5th on the PR, then serious reconsideration should be taken into account_ In theory (and practise) 2nd place should have a slightly hard time against 1st but not so much against 3rd and have more victories over them and anyone lower in the rankings then them_

Hope this makes sense_ This is how i would justify rankings being placed and the formula i use in our Perth PR we are currently working on_ Don't forget that projected skill level is also a large factor in comparison to results as a player who hasn't placed well initially may have largely increased their skill by 2010 and will place higher in future tournaments_

 

[Sloth]

Should the Power-Rankings have a general update time?
For example every two months it changes or nothing moves around due to lack of tournaments/meets.

That way people can see themselves getting higher/or lower and improve on their general smash. I know its hard for a lot of people to make it to regular meets tho. Once Uni starts for me I am basically vanishing again. Sigh.

A time period to remove someone is also a good idea. You can't have person X in 3rd if no one gets to verse them.
In theory the person in 2 should have an easier time against person in 3rd and so forth. Only issue is with lack of data to collect on how people verse others it makes it hard. So people end up meeting in tournament situations and sometimes don't even get a chance to verse each other. I guess it is where opinion plays a big role. For example:

Last time Ryan and Ben played, Ben won. But we don't know if he would of won again at SQUAT. Same as Chris not versing Josh or me versing Rob (cept friendlies! we owned that 5 year old kid). Certianly makes it hard to place people. Heck I need to still verse Kas!

 

[undead_moose]

needs a roy power ranking list

 

[Aussierob123]

kas and sloth are the anti-rob, mainly cuz you guys play nuts campy. Ryan doesn't play as campy, but sometimes he does, and when he does he's also the anti-rob, but when he doesn't he eats a combo.

Haven't vsed ben in ages it feels like, would be more interesting now cuz on one hand ive gotten way better against peach, and on the other hand ben has gotten way better in general.
Josh is mad good and could probably beat me but he gets really nervous in tournaments , but we trade back and forth, i feel like i do that with alot of players.
Moose is also an anti-rob in ways, he shuts me down alot, and chris is just a n00b but hes still really good. And zac would **** me no doubt, if he plays anything similar to kas (extremely homo).

I feel like I should be at the bottom of the list lol, you guys are all too good. The competition in qld is insane, i don't feel safe in any bracket anymore. If sloth and zac show up to the next tournament, aswell as the regulars, we are going to have a ****ing beast bracket.

 

[undead_moose]

Anti rob makes me sound like i hate you

 

[kupo]

just because you won doesn't make you good???
look at that ice skater guy... where the other 6 or something tripped and he came first.
SAKURAI.. btw this only appleis to brawl cause it has tripping in.

Flawed argument is flawed. That's like saying "Person A won due to phantom hits".

Find it very hard to decipher your post sometimes. :/

By Kas:
Also people might not play their best at whatever tournament they go to, but that's why we have lots, and if you continually play bad at tournaments then you're not very good, right

It really all comes down to common sense and judgement to the panelists should it comes down to players playing badly or not. I could do badly at monthlies and decide I should be 5th on PR. But panelists may disagree, knowing I can do better. It's just something to keep track of.

By Sloth:
Last time Ryan and Ben played, Ben won. But we don't know if he would of won again at SQUAT. Same as Chris not versing Josh or me versing Rob (cept friendlies! we owned that 5 year old kid). Certianly makes it hard to place people. Heck I need to still verse Kas!

This is why win ratio is important to keep track of rather than tournament results and why sometimes tournament results are flawed. This can be the reason why people argue why they should be placed higher on a PR. D.E format cannot be accurate at most times for the reasons stated above. Round Robin is a lot more accurate but time consuming. At the end of the day, you get the results and results are shown much more clearly.

As for removal from PR, I think there should be a note on the bottom of the first page mentioning of the past top players that have played, position and time that they have participated. Keeps a good record for newcomers and players like myself who've been out of the scene for a good 2-3 years. Should the player return, I can imagine that it can be good use of measuring skill and position (Maybe. *shrugs*).

 

[S.D]

Flawed argument is flawed. That's like saying "Person A won due to phantom hits".

Find it very hard to decipher your post sometimes. :/



It really all comes down to common sense and judgement to the panelists should it comes down to players playing badly or not. I could do badly at monthlies and decide I should be 5th on PR. But panelists may disagree, knowing I can do better. It's just something to keep track of.



This is why win ratio is important to keep track of rather than tournament results and why sometimes tournament results are flawed. This can be the reason why people argue why they should be placed higher on a PR. D.E format cannot be accurate at most times for the reasons stated above. Round Robin is a lot more accurate but time consuming. At the end of the day, you get the results and results are shown much more clearly.

As for removal from PR, I think there should be a note on the bottom of the first page mentioning of the past top players that have played, position and time that they have participated. Keeps a good record for newcomers and players like myself who've been out of the scene for a good 2-3 years. Should the player return, I can imagine that it can be good use of measuring skill and position (Maybe. *shrugs*).

Em wins.

Pr should basically be common sense, too often these things seem to boil down to the most recent tournament result and is a completely farcical representation of people's actual ability. People pretty much know who is better than who, tournament results are sometimes arbitrary (eg: Kas forfeiting out of SQUAT brawl) but can be referred to for placing justification...

 

[CAOTIC]

Emily and Sam wins. Wubings to the both of you.

 

[Sieg]

People pretty much know who is better than who

This.

Less PR, more just knowing who's good.

 

[xXArrowXx]

its more like people dont play at thier best, or other circumstances like accidents hinder the results.
so power rankings are good... i suspose if its easy to tell.

but then theres consistancy and results. Which are results, we arent making up scenerios in our heads.

but then again i am not taking sides in the agrument. =P

ill try to make more sen5se

 

[Vyse]

(Some of) You guys are really missing one of the biggest points I keep trying to make.

The reason why I support Power Rankings is so that people have a semi-tangible list to work towards being the best of. Power rankings are supposed to rile people up competitively, and make people want to practice to get better so that they may rise up the power rankings. It's good for seeding as well.

It's all good saying 'We already know what's what, so who cares', but that's exactly the attitude I don't want. There's no motivation, nothing tangible about that. People should want to strive to be on the ranking, and I know it works because I know people here in QLD strive for placement in both games. It's entirely a good thing.

Either way, it's a good thing that everyone is so heavily involved here because of that. It makes me happy And it's definitely an important thing to get right.

=-=-=-= Just finished making this =-=-=-=

In line with the global guidelines for regional power rankings:
The Queensland Power Ranking Project

Mission Statement:​

Using a set of defined criteria, the goal of the Queensland Power Rankings is to regularly maintain an ordered list of the state’s top 10 players of the games Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. To be utilised by the opinions of several, informed panelists, the criteria, will be designed to ensure an objective and fair measurement of each player’s perceived skill to properly order them within each power ranking list.

Purpose:​

The purpose of the Queensland Power Ranking project for the smash series is to encourage the competitive development of the game and to nurture the desire of lesser players to compete for placement on and within the power rankings. The power rankings will drive all players to consistently attend tournaments and will also serve as a tool for tournament organisers to accurately seed state level smash events.

Panelists:

Accelerate
Hotdogs
J-Birds
Scrubs
Vyse

Criteria:​

1) Recent Tournament Placements

• Must have competed in a tournament within 3 months of the updated list.
• The more recent the tournament, the more weight it holds in determining placement on the ranking.
• More recent wins or losses hold more weight.
• More tournament results equates to more consistency in placement.
• Tournament Placement only accounts for standard singles events. Doubles/Low Tier events do not count towards the rankings
• Self imposed handicaps should not to be taken into consideration in this or any other criteria. (This includes using low tier characters in a standard singles event)

2) Win/Loss History

• Placement on the power rankings is influenced by who you have beaten in tournaments
• Conversely; it is also affected by whom you have lost to.
• The significance of these wins and losses is determined by the perceived skill level of the opponent (be they power ranked or not).
• Money Matches/Out of State tournament performance is counted.
• Friendlies are not an acceptable means of perceiving the skill level of a player and do not count towards power ranking considerations. Taking friendlies into account is in direct opposition of the goals and purpose of the power rankings.

3) Exceptions/Panelist Discretion

• In the event of forfeiting from a tournament, it will be up to the panel to use their discretion in using the limited results supplied. Panelists will take into consideration the circumstances surrounding the forfeit.
• All considerations by the panel should not be heavily dictated by the criteria, the criteria instead serving to guide the panel to the most accurate outcome.

This is a work in progress and will be updated at the panelist's discretion.​

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With this set criteria, there's no grey area. Players who everyone knows should be on there either qualify via the criteria or don't. Simple as that.

 

[Aussierob123]

People are taking this list way too serious. Just keep playing, the list is for fun and it makes our already competitive scene a bit more competitive, I like it.

 

[Vyse]

People are taking this list way too serious.

It's a good sign though

 

[Sieg]

Nah, this list isn't fun.

IT'S FOR SERIOUS MAN EGO.

 

[Vyse]

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[undead_moose]

SUPER SERIOUS MODE

street fighter power ranking also imo

 

[Scrubs]

Haha I like how nobody really has a problem with anyones placing...but there is still 3 pages of people arguing about crap...

I really don't even know what people are talking about

 

[xXArrowXx]

i do but i dont really care about power rankings and i am not a panelist =p

 

[Dekar289]

actually, the real reason for power rankings is dont come 2

 

[undead_moose]

that no one in queensland is going to

Shoo troll

 

[Dekar289]

orly? fail

 

[tedeth]

Well in their defense Melbourne *****ed out on SQUAT...

 

[Dekar289]

we don't like traveling to 5th world countries

 

[Vyse]

Cut it out you guys.

 

[swordsaint]

we don't like traveling to 5th world countries

I know I'm gonna get infracted but man this was funny.

 

[Sieg]

Oh look, banned again.

 

[undead_moose]

tedeth understands <3

 

[luke_atyeo]

dekar may be banned, but he'll still live on in my heart (gayest post ever)

 

[Bsrk_]

Well to rectify the PR you guys should also have a leaderboard that totals points accumulated from every tournament participated_ Similar if not the same as the current Perth rankings list_ This way people can see how they fare in terms of tournaments in comparison to the calculated PR_

 

[Vyse]

Well to rectify the PR you guys should also have a leaderboard that totals points accumulated from every tournament participated_ Similar if not the same as the current Perth rankings list_ This way people can see how they fare in terms of tournaments in comparison to the calculated PR_

We used to have this as well, but it ended up being too much to handle.

I've left the door open for others to take up that endeavour though.

 

[Hotdog]

We used to have this as well, but it ended up being too much to handle.

I've left the door open for others to take up that endeavour though.

Haha don't look at me, too much effort... I think we should get the opinions of the QLD community and revise the list to make V2.1

 

[Vyse]

Haha don't look at me, too much effort... I think we should get the opinions of the QLD community and revise the list to make V2.1

Yeah lol, if I won't do it I'm not expecting others to pick up the slack.

As for revising, give it a month.

 

[Scrubs]

Haha don't look at me, too much effort... I think we should get the opinions of the QLD community and revise the list to make V2.1

I haven't seen one person say...

"Person X should be lower" etc...

Even though we encouraged people to do so...

Everyone is just saying "You shouldn't use just tourney results" Which its not

Or

"It should be opinion based"

Which it is in part....

Until someone gives specific reasons why people should change places..Its fine

 

[undead_moose]

scrubs should be lower

Because he is bad

 

[Scrubs]

I left my window open now bugs be all up in my bidness

 

[undead_moose]

get spiders like i did

not a single bug

 

[D.J Cat]

I haven't seen one person say...

"Person X should be lower" etc...

Even though we encouraged people to do so...

I did!
The lists are both fine as they are!
And interstate ****s should stay out of it too.
And less spam!

>off-topic< Better than fleas!

 

[Myst Walker]

syke -

me and dave read the thread.. and laughed.. and then we saw the panelists and almost died...

 

[Bsrk_]

Well tbh the leaderboards aren't too hard to run if you gather the results on the day and update them asap_ If you have someone bringing a laptop with internet access to your tournaments then updating the leaderboards should be no real hassle_ Even easier if you do it from the same laptop running tio I know this saved me alot of time_

Anyways good luck with your PR and i look forward to seeing how the updates come along_