Queensland Power Rankings v.2

[Sirias]

Zac - Olol.
You looked at the thread, laughed, looked at the panelists, laughed, but in your first post, Zac, you were asking why you weren't on the rankings and then boasted saying you could beat me and Dave and saying that we say you haven't deteriorated.
So much FAIL, srs.

5th world country, lmfao. It's so true, though. QLD is so backward hick. That's why I like it. <3

And Ben, some people have asked about their placings and other people's placings.
You fool.
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[Pantsmann]

I would say i should be above moose because of my previous tournament results, but then i realised i've only been around for 6 months and only placed at 2 tournaments before squat (although i placed higher than moose in both of them in singles even if he did only show up to one of those).

oh, i'd be willing to start tabulating points for everybody for tournaments if there's a formula for how many points a person gets per tournament (i'm going to assume the number of people attending the tournament would have an effect on how many points are given out). i'll start from squat?

 

[Sloth]

I think Josh should be above Chris. He is farely even with Rob when they were playing - and Josh tends to have high tournament nerves which don't help.
Plus last time Chris and Josh played - afaik, it was close and Josh wasn't using his main at all.

So if he is around Rob's level and Rob is 4th - it only makes sense for him to be above Chris?

Dif and Moose, you guys had an extremely close match at SQUAT - so at the very least you two should be close, but if we go by previous results it does make sense for you to be higher considering that it appears previosu results do hold merit in the QLD power-rankings.

But I'm not a panelist so I'm just stating what I consider.

 

[Hotdog]

Well we need more Melee Panelists imo... Cause Scrubs and Accel are the Melee panellist while me Jbirds and Vyse are more of the Brawl panelist... and Accel don't post much anymore, so it's really just Scrubs lol.

 

[King Kong]

I think Josh should be above Chris. He is farely even with Rob when they were playing - and Josh tends to have high tournament nerves which don't help.
Plus last time Chris and Josh played - afaik, it was close and Josh wasn't using his main at all.

Chris and I are 1-1 in tournaments. I dont think I would have beaten him at SQUAT. I dont think I deserve a higher placing atm, I go to pieces in tournament matches. I think I have better reading and mindgames than a lot of people who are higher than me on that list - but if I cant apply those skills in a tournament match then they dont really mean anything.

peace out

 

[Pantsmann]

off topic: defs needs a sloth ben josh dif meet sometime soon

on topic: it'd be hard to find a melee panelist, most of the people on the PRs would probably be overly biased and some of them don't really play many people outside of their area.

 

[undead_moose]

Close match? I think not : / 3 stocking generaly isn't close

 

[Bsrk_]

I would say i should be above moose because of my previous tournament results, but then i realised i've only been around for 6 months and only placed at 2 tournaments before squat (although i placed higher than moose in both of them in singles even if he did only show up to one of those).

oh, i'd be willing to start tabulating points for everybody for tournaments if there's a formula for how many points a person gets per tournament (i'm going to assume the number of people attending the tournament would have an effect on how many points are given out). i'll start from squat?

Pants_ The formula i use is pretty simple_ It's basically points allocated in regards to how many competitors_ So 30 competitors_ 1st gets 30 points, 2nd 29 points and so on_ If people get an equal position say equal 9th, then they all get the points as if they are placed 9th_

I also incorporated a rule whereby if a player does not attend for X amount of tournaments then they are removed from the list_ It's as easy as making a tally of how many tournaments they have attended into the list_ If you need any info just check out the perth tournament listings thread, link is in there_

 

[Pantsmann]

i won the first match, and the second one was close. but yeah, third match wasn't that close... XD
that's if we're talking about me vs nick, if not then i dunno who you're talking about.
in my defense, i broke my controller halfway through squat and i don't main faux at all (lol johns).

shoulda roy ditto'd

EDIT: if vyse approves of that then i'll do that, thanks brsk_

 

[Scrubs]

Using just tourney results...is extremely flawed...

It really depends on who you play in your bracket...

If you look at the SQUAT bracket.. Kas, SD and Me were on the same side of the bracket whereas Ryan had a pretty easy run on the other side

Plus what if someone misses a tournament???

You shouldn't really punish people for missing tournaments.. we can't attend all the time

On the Dif - Moose issue

Moose has been attending tournaments for a pretty long time and when he tries he always does well.. Its not like SQUAT was his first tournament...just the first tournament where he and Dif played each other properly

On Josh - Chris

Chris placed higher last tourney...

Josh beat him the one before that..

They are pretty equal

But at SQUAT Josh lost to Moose (who is below him on the rankings) and Rob

That whole middle section is pretty tight...

I think the list is pretty accurate and a vast improvement over the previous one

 

[Pantsmann]

yeah, but this wouldn't be a rankings list, this would just be "how well is this person doing in tournaments" not "how good is this person".

 

[Hotdog]

Yea the first list was so bad hahaha, well it's up to you Dif, just ask Vyse and I for any tourney results and we'll see what we can do =P

There just seems to be a lot of opinions and arguments regarding the Melee list, that's why I'm asking for more Melee panelist or someone to replace Accel. Since me and Jbirds don't really know the history/skill levels of the Melee peeps.

 

[Sieg]

I'll be Melee panelist lol.

I can't be biased because I don't play much anymore lol.

 

[King Kong]

off topic: defs needs a sloth ben josh dif meet sometime soon

on topic: it'd be hard to find a melee panelist, most of the people on the PRs would probably be overly biased and some of them don't really play many people outside of their area.

Come over today bro. im just watching australia getting owned in cricket an want to play smash.

my new number is 0401 959 915

peace out

 

[Sloth]

yeah, but this wouldn't be a rankings list, this would just be "how well is this person doing in tournaments" not "how good is this person".

Agreed. However this is where the issues come into play:
Tournament results only is flawed; however offer the latest insight to produce an argument as to where somebody should be placed.
Opinion is also flawed; this is obvious.

At the end of it all, it's up the discretion of the panellist.

Scrubs - my main reason for Josh to be higher is he almost beat Rob at SQUAT. It was extremely close. Rob is 4th and Josh is 7th. For Power-Rankings to hold some truth Rob should of won without too much concern. Even in their friendlies it was back and forth. Always close. This shows something is wrong, or the correlation of skill in the middle is even.

So if we assess the middle list we have to put forward the likely hood of who will beat who. From Rob vrs Sloth, Rob vrs KK, Rob vrs Chris, Sloth vrs Chris, Sloth vrs KK etc..
Sure this is also has some opinion but its how I would help formulate the power-rankings.

Sure I am using only the last tournament in my reasoning but it's the best representation of when they both played against each other with their mains.

off-topic
I am in the Gold Coast till Wednesday, so maybe we can do some Thursday smash if your free Dif/Josh/Ben/Whoever else?

 

[Vyse]

Pants_ The formula i use is pretty simple_ It's basically points allocated in regards to how many competitors_ So 30 competitors_ 1st gets 30 points, 2nd 29 points and so on_ If people get an equal position say equal 9th, then they all get the points as if they are placed 9th_

I also incorporated a rule whereby if a player does not attend for X amount of tournaments then they are removed from the list_ It's as easy as making a tally of how many tournaments they have attended into the list_ If you need any info just check out the perth tournament listings thread, link is in there_

This is the same, if not, similar system I used before. Dif, if you want to take up this responsibility, it means doing it for Melee and Brawl though. It's not a difficult thing by any means though.

Another thing Dif, I did read the doubts you had about your placement, but Moose's performance was way too strong to ignore at SQUAT :S

I had little input into the Melee Power Ranking and I do agree it needs to be revised.
Personally, I think it should look like:

Syke
Kas
Accelerate
Scrubs
Sloth
AussieRob
King Kong
Moose
Amaterasu
Dif
Kamistriker

With Rob/KK/Moose/Amaterasu about as interchangable as each other.

Sloth, I +1 support you being on the panel since you're a lot more active these days.

 

[Pantsmann]

darned squat XD

oh well, JUST MEANS I GOTTA GET BETTAH RAWR >=]

vyse, i could take it up for brawl too if need be, i don't go to brawl tournaments but it should be easy enough to do just by looking at results (and if somebody gives me the number of ppl attended if it's different to what's shown in results).

 

[undead_moose]

nonononono i shouldnt be on that list

Wouldnt take it seriously

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

Kas
Sooiike
Accelerate
Scrubs
Sloth
AussieRob
King Kong
Amaterasu
Moose

Everyone else is too crap XD Chris should be higher cause he does better against a wider range of characters.. I only realized this yesterday at the N2C meet while watching his 1v1's and playing doubles with him. and the only reason I'd put kas above me is the same reason as josh's, I fail at tourneys.. but we are 1-1 in tourneys vsing each other.

 

[xXArrowXx]

chris deserves higher... -,-

rob, kk, sloth, moose down.

 

[undead_moose]

Zomguard I Got On Zacs List

<3

 

[Vyse]

chris deserves higher... -,-

rob, kk, sloth, moose down.

Based on my own opinion, I'd put Chris above Rob but below Sloth.

Based on actual results, Chris is fine where he is.

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

Not enough tournies with all canididates have occured so its way too random atm to determine proper ranks.. close thread kthx

 

[Hotdog]

Not enough tournies with all canididates have occured so its way too random atm to determine proper ranks.. close thread kthx

This, but no need to close the thread, Brawl list is fine imo... Melee list seems to have a lot of conflict.

 

[Aussierob123]

This is a long explination. Skip to the end if you want the run down.

Everybody heavily involved with the melee competition knows the list is good. the only ones who have arguable room for movement is sloth (will no doubt go higher given more tournaments), josh (if he puts his tournament nerves behind) and chris.

I think I've played every single player in qld besides zac, I know pretty well how good each player is. I feel like Josh is really good but sloth part of the reason josh does so well against me is that I get ***** by peach and sheik, peach cuz im bad and sheik cuz its a bad matchup for falcon. I take matches from ryans falco, marth, and fox, but his sheik dominates me.

Sorry Josh I'm not taking anything away from you, i feel like everybody below kas is so closely placed on the rankings that we could all change at any moment, but im just giving a reason as to why you do well against me, I'm not sure how you do against other players cuz I've never watched you. But I do know you are insanely good.

Chris shouldn't be moved up to super S star ranking, hes really **** good yes and can compete with the best, but hes never gone to a tournament and omgwtf ***** everyone, besides in teams, i dunno why people think he should be moved up above me and sloth? o.O.

Moose is insane, sorry dif, but part of the reason moose has a bad tournament run is exactly what kas said, he just doesnt give a ****. He actually practiced with me and ryan before squat and i can safely say that he deserves his spot on the list for sure.

The one that I'm not sure about is sloth, but more tournaments will secure his spot for sure. I can't compare my spot with him by vsing him because he ***** me 100x over, like I said he is the anti rob, but I know that I do really well against ryan, and Ben and my tournament matches have always been close in the past, and should be even closer now (although ben has gotten way better it seems).

TO CUT A LONG POST SHORT

Places on melee panel are perfect. leave them as they are, ben knows what is up. have a feeling they will change in the near future though, with the return of zac and sloth, who knows what will happen.

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

bryce is more out of practice than I am. I know he could easily win a tournament.. We'll practice together with kas like we used to and all b pro again.

 

[CAOTIC]

Invite me for veteran training to **** all the new generation noobs... in a nice, wubing way!

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

move to qld already joiz

 

[Sirias]

Agreed, move to QLD. <3
For wub reasons. c:

I stik wif Zec nd sey dat evry1 is ****.
We have had quite a few tournaments, though.
Most of them haven't been very big, but that's nothing new.

Sigh...
CBF arguing or making points or anything now.
If anything's happening give me teeext. C:

 

[King Kong]

Sorry Josh I'm not taking anything away from you, i feel like everybody below kas is so closely placed on the rankings that we could all change at any moment, but im just giving a reason as to why you do well against me, I'm not sure how you do against other players cuz I've never watched you. But I do know you are insanely good.

.

Well, hopefully my DK will be back in form for the next tournament. Then I can use character johns

Honestly, in melee, skill will always overcome character matchups. From 05-07 I used to go up against terrible match ups as DK, but I stuck with it and by the end I placed a lot higher in tournaments where I used DK than when i used a higher tier, which is why im switching back to him now, plus, his combos are the most manly in the game by far.

peace out

 

[Scrubs]

Josh's DK is no joke

 

[Sieg]

Josh's DK itself is manly.

**** will **** any Falcon lol.

 

[Aussierob123]

I know his DK is no joke he's beaten me with DK before.

and yeah josh I hope you didn't take my post in the wrong light, I was kinda trying to explain to sloth how you can't just two players skills if you dont consider match ups and how they fare against other players. can't use logic like "x goes even with y therefore x and y should be equal". Dont worry man I think you are better than me though, i already told you that You are extremely good, just gotta put away those tourney nerves.

I think most of qld is better than me, the only thing that keeps me high is managing to finish combos quickly with a knee. Need to work on lots of other aspects of my game.

 

[undead_moose]

Rob you are bad thats why most of QLD is better then you

 

[Aussierob123]

except for you.

 

[Hotdog]

The same statement applies to Moose... except it's for SF4.

 

[Sloth]

I know his DK is no joke he's beaten me with DK before.

and yeah josh I hope you didn't take my post in the wrong light, I was kinda trying to explain to sloth how you can't just two players skills if you dont consider match ups and how they fare against other players. can't use logic like "x goes even with y therefore x and y should be equal". .

Well - I know you can't use that logic. But I was trying to produce the argument as to the seperation of the players in a Power-Ranking and how they should reflect the easy of beating players below them.
However some of that reasoning may have been lost in the words that I chose. My English is terrible.

Naturally some people will struggle against others - or certain characters they suck at or matchups. I hate Peaches. Always lose to a Peach.

off topic: I also hate the sun. I am very sunburnt and in a world of pain! Stupid sun countering my white skin.

Josh - I was also considering going old school and playing Ice Climbers again

 

[Aussierob123]

Always stick with your mains. **** pussing out and picking fox or marth. Dont be gay. Be HARD like me!

Falcon all the way.

 

[Sirias]

Fox is so hard to use and not get ***** by, I don't know why people think Fox is so gay or ridiculous, he's only that way if you know how to use him and have ridiculous tech skill, WHICH I HAVE NEITHER OF, SIGH.

MARTH on the other hand, is just lame.
And Sheik.
And Peach, to a lesser degree. Much lesser.

Falcon is definately the most fun character, though.
I want to start using him. C:

 

[Sieg]

Can you imagine Kas with Falcon?

Oh god.